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Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 13:38:00 -
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Paul Maken wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Nothing's changed for 11 years. That's not true. There have been several changes. Some made ganking harder: 1.) The change to deny insurance payout to people who get CONCORDOKKEN had a big impact. Gankers went from paying for 30% of a hull to paying for 100%, which has been an extra 30-50m in cost to the gankers depending on where the hull price has fluctuated. 2.) The recent change giving freighters low slots lets you get far more EHP than was possible previously. This both lets you move more valuable cargos safely, but it also means that the gankers need to get a ship scan of freighters as well as a cargo scan. 3.) Kill rights can now be made available/sold. It used to be that if you ganked a hauling/industrial character then the kill right they got was almost meaningless. Now, when you get a kill right on you it actually does matter. Others have made ganking easier: 4.) The addition of the Tier 3 battlecruisers, especially the high alpha of the Tornadoes, reduced the cost of ganking with fewer larger ships until the insurance change came to balance that out. 5.) The ability to buy back security status with tags made it possible for profitable ganking to be sustained by buying tags instead of needing to spend a lot of time ratting back up above -5. This makes the loss of security status less of a penalty than it used to be. Overall, the changes have balanced out to keep the risk/reward relationships in check. When CCP lets us trade killrights for a look at who the alt characters on an account are risk will equal reward, and not a second sooner. the reason gankers gank with impunity is that you cannot hit them back on their other characters that benefit from it. i'm planning to start ganking myself someday because why not kill people at random then pay for 17 PLEXes with their money and efforts when it can never be traced back to the characters on those accounts that i actually use for other things? thanks for making it all possible, ccp. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 14:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:When CCP lets us trade killrights for a look at who the alt characters on an account are risk will equal reward, and not a second sooner. so when ccp lets you trade killrights for random unrelated pilot names, that'll have an effect on risk vs reward? i don't think so. unrelated? i guess, except for the fact that any profits made likely wouldn't be kept on the ganker character once it had sufficient reserves to keep ganking. spend an hour doing missions for 40 mil isk or spend 10 minutes stealing 200 mil from someone else. it really isn't a hard choice to make. and hiding where that cash is going behind an alt created solely for ganking is simple common sense. until the person piloting that ship can be held accountable for their actions on any other character, though, there is no risk and only reward. lets not delude ourselves here. you want to nuke my frieghter or orca? that's fine. show me where yours is too so i can return the favor. of course none of them will do that. that would be fair, that would be not being a griefing ****. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 14:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:This would only be true if gank ships were free and none of the penalties for doing a gank exist.
What penalty? a sec status hit? meaningless. losing a cheap throw away ship? meaningless. getting a kill right on a ganker character? meaningless. someone stacking bounty on you? meaningless.
being a ganker makes all of those a moot point, because it only takes one fat juicy target worth 2 bil to make any amount of all of those worthwhile. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 15:16:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:When CCP lets us trade killrights for a look at who the alt characters on an account are risk will equal reward, and not a second sooner. so when ccp lets you trade killrights for random unrelated pilot names, that'll have an effect on risk vs reward? i don't think so. unrelated? i guess, except for the fact that any profits made likely wouldn't be kept on the ganker character once it had sufficient reserves to keep ganking. spend an hour doing missions for 40 mil isk or spend 10 minutes stealing 200 mil from someone else. it really isn't a hard choice to make. and hiding where that cash is going behind an alt created solely for ganking is simple common sense. until the person piloting that ship can be held accountable for their actions on any other character, though, there is no risk and only reward. lets not delude ourselves here. you want to nuke my frieghter or orca? that's fine. show me where yours is too so i can return the favor. of course none of them will do that. that would be fair, that would be not being a griefing ****. or alternatively. you could stop being lazy and clueless and stop asking ccp to do your work for you. if he found yours using nothing but the ingame tools, you can find his the same way. stop making excuses for wanting ccp to hold your hand in theirs while their other hand feeds you from a silver spoon. it's pathetic and quite frankly it's insulting that you think people are foolish enough to believe that this is for "fairness". whats the matter, scared of the shoe being on the other foot? Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 15:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: like i said, if i can find you without ccp holding my hand, you can find me the same way. the shoe IS on the other foot.
with all the whining, bawling, and begging to ccp... the only people that are scared are those unwilling to engage their brain.
^ true that.
i just hope code realizes they're harassing the industrial backbone of the game, stealing isk from the people that mass produce it. it's generally not a good idea to **** off a group that could hire every merc outfit that exists if it had a mind to. but hey, i guess everyone needs content. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 15:37:00 -
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David Mandrake wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I say fair play to him if he cuts a profit from someone who's half-assed a ship fitting and AFK hauled across space with a sizeable chunk of ISK in their hold. I think you mean "Previously fitting-less freighters which get bumped away from gates and sentry guns by previously inconspicuous 100mn MWD plated macharials without ever getting aggression until you get alpha'd" If people don't bother fitting tank, and AFK their cargo, I'm fine with them dying. What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you. I haven't read through the rest of this thread yet, so maybe someone else has come up with this... but if you do everything right you have a webbing alt. If you've still gotten bumped, refit to a scram with a mobile depot (You can burn 50 away from the gate quick) and by the time you've done that, Freighter should be close to/out of range of the sentries. Set alt to orbit the Mach, safties off, web/scram and now it can't bump for awhile. Freighter can either warp off now, or at the very least CONCORD will show up and that'll mean at least one ganker will instadie (or they have to waste time to get CONCORD repositioned which you can use to try to escape again, etc). Sure your alt takes a sec hit and gets killrights but it takes little time to train a second alt and wait out the killright. Unless the Mach pilot engages the alt, in which case, no killright. ^ problem with that, they don't just bring one mach. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 15:59:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Syn Shi wrote:There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.
Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.
Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.
The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor. Tell that to all the guys who suicide gank someone, and end up making a heavy loss because everything they wanted to loot gets destroyed in the ship destruction. First off, I'm fairly neutral to the whole issue here. I'm actually all-for highsec ganking. But your logic is flawed and pretty much straight-up trolling. Not that I have a problem with that normally, but it's inappropriate for a representative of CCP, at least in my opinion. You seem to keep indicating that the level of risk vs. reward for crime is somehow "fair", and that the concord response is comparable to the preventative measures of real world police. But this really isn't the case. Real world police are much less predictable and create a wave of fear among the populace that concord does not. If you rob a store in the US, you may end up with 5 years in prison, or a life sentence. Your IRL life could be completely destroyed. You may easily suffer being brutalized. The police might plant a weapon on you and then just flat out shoot you. There are constantly cases of unarmed civilians being killed by police during the commission of a minor crime. The equivalent of this in EVE would be if you podded someone in highsec, you might just happen to randomly end up being biomassed, unable to use stargates for months, or with a negative wallet. The difference here is that somehow sec status drop and ship destruction are presented as a risk to a ship that is *designed to be destroyed* on a character that *doesn't use sec status*. So there is no real risk. Again, I don't particularly *care*. The whole miner bumping suicide-ganking issue has never really affected me, and CCP has the right to lay down the hammer and run the game however they want to, which is fine. Just don't pretend that it's a microcosm of real world risk-vs-reward situations when CONCORD are the most themepark element of the game. TL;DR: Need RND in punishments in addendum, if you were found to be part of an organized group of people harassing others, you'd get slapped with RICO and they'd take down everyone. atleast in the US. also in real life you can't recreate yourself with new dna for a clean identity, forensics and no statute of limitations would catch up to you eventually. this all assumes the cops don't just shoot you in the face, which lately wouldn't be a safe bet.
*sighs wistfully* if only concord were so gung ho, instead of being lazy pantywaists that show up after everyone is dead and write reports. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote:David Mandrake wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I say fair play to him if he cuts a profit from someone who's half-assed a ship fitting and AFK hauled across space with a sizeable chunk of ISK in their hold. I think you mean "Previously fitting-less freighters which get bumped away from gates and sentry guns by previously inconspicuous 100mn MWD plated macharials without ever getting aggression until you get alpha'd" If people don't bother fitting tank, and AFK their cargo, I'm fine with them dying. What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you. I haven't read through the rest of this thread yet, so maybe someone else has come up with this... but if you do everything right you have a webbing alt. If you've still gotten bumped, refit to a scram with a mobile depot (You can burn 50 away from the gate quick) and by the time you've done that, Freighter should be close to/out of range of the sentries. Set alt to orbit the Mach, safties off, web/scram and now it can't bump for awhile. Freighter can either warp off now, or at the very least CONCORD will show up and that'll mean at least one ganker will instadie (or they have to waste time to get CONCORD repositioned which you can use to try to escape again, etc). Sure your alt takes a sec hit and gets killrights but it takes little time to train a second alt and wait out the killright. Unless the Mach pilot engages the alt, in which case, no killright. ^ problem with that, they don't just bring one mach. So pre spawn concord with an alt. so you want me to pre-spawn concord in every system along a whole corridor where i'm going to be travelling with a freighter? that's your answer? you expect us to possibly break the EULA and get banned for littering the servers to mitigate your activities? and then you talk about risk versus reward with the next breath. you're amusing, guy. :] Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote: so you want me to pre-spawn concord in every system along a whole corridor where i'm going to be travelling with a freighter? that's your answer? you expect us to possibly break the EULA and get banned for littering the servers to mitigate your activities? and then you talk about risk versus reward with the next breath. you're amusing, guy. :]
Or just do it where the machs are because you aren't dumb? Seriously, use your noggin. Half of these gankers can be shot on site. do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again. the net effect is a whole corridor of spawned concord and ccp getting miffed about server resources. of course if that's how they want us to respond because they won't respond any other way, we can do that. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again. Ehm. Again, use your noggin'. If they moved, you can just leave. if they moved it isn't because they've stopped planning to do what they're planning to do. the only way to do that is deny them anywhere to do it completely. which, thankfully, ccp has provided a mechanic for. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
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Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote: do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again. the net effect is a whole corridor of spawned concord and ccp getting miffed about server resources. of course if that's how they want us to respond because they won't act on it any other way, we can do that.
Putting aside your lack of understanding of concord mechanics lets do something else then. Have a number of logi ships in tow of the freighter. that might work if they hadn't shown a willingness to throw more than 2 dozen ships at targets at a time. the question is is that really what we want eve to evolve into? every freighter needing logi escorts to trump waves of gankers? is that the image you want new players to see around them daily? retention rates would be abysmal, even compared to how horrific they already are. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:if they moved it isn't because they've stopped planning to do what they're planning to do. Who cares? They've been neutralised and can now be skipped over. Mission accomplished. yes, and if after DT every day entire corridors of concord were spawned we'd have free reign to peacefully transport things for the whole day. i'm seeing that as good risk versus reward, myself. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote: that might work if they hadn't shown a willingness to throw more than 2 dozen ships at targets at a time. the question is is that really what we want eve to evolve into? every freighter needing logi escorts to trump waves of gankers? is that the image you want new players to see around them daily? retention rates would be abysmal, even compared to how horrific they already are.
They attacked you with a fleet, so why is it so bad to have a fleet of your own for protection? because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice? Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:yes, and if after DT every day entire corridors of concord were spawned we'd have free reign to peacefully transport things for the whole day. That's exactly why it doesn't happen (nor would it actually work that way). so give us a choice of not changing that. because it could start happening. :] Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice? So? That's not a prerequisite for forming a fleet for your own protection. having people willing to join is. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote: because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice?
Because you need 20,000 people to have 2-3 logi support you when eve has 30,000 people online? yes. yes it does. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:having people willing to join is. So that was a pretty nonsensical red herring then, and we're back at the original question: they attacked you with a fleet, so why is it so bad to have a fleet of your own for protection? it's not bad. we can have a game where nothing moves without a fleet of escorts. supply will start to dry up, prices will skyrocket and eventually even the gankers will start to cry. my point is is that really the eve we want to have? Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote:baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote: because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice?
Because you need 20,000 people to have 2-3 logi support you when eve has 30,000 people online? yes. yes it does. You just want to be a victim all your life don't you? no. only up to the point i break and go frank castle on them. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=Demonfist]it's not bad. Good. So everything is pretty much as it should be then.
Quote:supply will start to dry up, prices will skyrocket and eventually even the gankers will start to cry. Why would any of that happen? you don't understand how supply and demand works, obviously. so here i'll explain it. when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up, because there aren't less people wanting it. if you want to force people to bring support fleets to make the economy work that's fine and dandy, just don't ***** about paying the price for your own mess later.
the next time PLEXes go up another 100million, factor in the cost associated with ganking making that happen. merchants aren't going to eat the cost of that freighter you just sank, they're going to pass it along to you the consumer. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:42:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:you don't understand how supply and demand works, obviously. so here i'll explain it. when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up, because there aren't less people wanting it. if you want to force people to bring support fleets to make the economy work that's fine and dandy, just don't ***** about paying the price for your own mess later. that might be true, if people had to transport a minimum of like 5bn isk of stuff per trip and were always profitable to gank. unfortunately, that isn't the case and your argument falls flat on it's face. using junk 10 mil isk ships to take down a freighter is never unprofitable. see above post about costs being passed along. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
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Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:using junk 10 mil isk ships to take down a freighter is never unprofitable. Incorrect. you're costing someone else 700million at a cost to yourself of 10million. are you really not that bright or simply a troll? Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:[quote=Demonfist]it's not bad. Good. So everything is pretty much as it should be then. Quote:supply will start to dry up, prices will skyrocket and eventually even the gankers will start to cry. Why would any of that happen? you don't understand how supply and demand works, obviously. so here i'll explain it. when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up, because there aren't less people wanting it. if you want to force people to bring support fleets to make the economy work that's fine and dandy, just don't ***** about paying the price for your own mess later. the next time PLEXes go up another 100million, factor in the cost associated with ganking making that happen. merchants aren't going to eat the cost of that freighter you just sank, they're going to pass it along to you the consumer. Plex have nothing to do with ganking. PLEX are the yardstick of the eve economy. when ganking takes a toll it's price will shift. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:48:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Demonfist wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:you don't understand how supply and demand works, obviously. so here i'll explain it. when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up, because there aren't less people wanting it. if you want to force people to bring support fleets to make the economy work that's fine and dandy, just don't ***** about paying the price for your own mess later. that might be true, if people had to transport a minimum of like 5bn isk of stuff per trip and were always profitable to gank. unfortunately, that isn't the case and your argument falls flat on it's face. using junk 10 mil isk ships to take down a freighter is never unprofitable. see above post about costs being passed along. You're wrong, you're forgetting to take the loot fairy into account, and she is an evil female dog. If none of the expensive stuff drops the gankers are in the red iskwise, the only green is on their killboard. The only profit in this scenario is indirect, and only if the gankers manage to sell a replacement ship to their victim. this assumes that you need to take any of the contents of the ship in order for killing it to be worthwhile, which isn't how things are in eve. costing the other person is also a motivation. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote: PLEX are the yardstick of the eve economy. when ganking takes a toll it's price will shift.
No it wont. PLEX demand has nothing to do with ganking at all. you might want to compare it's prices with incidences of burn jita events and rethink your stance. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:using junk 10 mil isk ships to take down a freighter is never unprofitable. Incorrect. you're costing someone else 700million at a cost to yourself of 10million. are you really not that bright or simply a troll? Show me a freighter that only took 10 mil to bring down. show me the point you missed. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:you're costing someone else 700million at a cost to yourself of 10million. are you really not that bright or simply a troll? Setting aside that your scenario is impossible, are you sure you want to use this unfamiliarity with the concept of GÇ£profitGÇ¥ as your argument? Quote:PLEX are the yardstick of the eve economy. No, they really aren't. They're just a something players like to whine about. The yardstick for the EVE economy is the GPU. in eve pvp costing the other guy more IS profit. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
Inner Ring Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:53:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:you don't understand how supply and demand works, obviously. so here i'll explain it. when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up, because there aren't less people wanting it. if you want to force people to bring support fleets to make the economy work that's fine and dandy, just don't ***** about paying the price for your own mess later. that might be true, if people had to transport a minimum of like 5bn isk of stuff per trip and were always profitable to gank. unfortunately, that isn't the case and your argument falls flat on it's face. using junk 10 mil isk ships to take down a freighter is never unprofitable. see above post about costs being passed along. remind me again how using anything, 10m or not, is profitable when a freighter is empty? as much as i'd love to sit here and point out the hilarious flaws in every single post of yours, it gets boring when people keep making the same incorrect arguments over and over. surely you people should have come up with some new fantasies instead of repeating the same incorrect arguments in EVERY thread that you start whining in? because you're the one building replacement freighters. the guy that got sunk either has to pay you or stop his former trade. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:because you're the one building replacement freighters. In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. your english comprehension skills are too poor for me to continue discussion with you. have a nice day. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:because you're the one building replacement freighters. the guy that got sunk either has to pay you or stop his former trade. except you said taking down a freighter was profitable. not building freighters. make up your mind. are we talking about shooting freighters, or building them? connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:your english comprehension skills are too poor for me to continue discussion with you. have a nice day. In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. Quote:connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai. In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. You lost the argument and you know. Inventing more and more nonsense to cover up for the previous nonsense makes it more nonsensical, not less, you know that, right? i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Mag's wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:your english comprehension skills are too poor for me to continue discussion with you. have a nice day. In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. Quote:connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai. In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. You lost the argument and you know. Inventing more and more nonsense to cover up for the previous nonsense makes it more nonsensical, not less, you know that, right? i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Except that Tippia isn't trolling and now you've resorted to name calling as you know you were wrong. Just stop posting. i've resorted to name calling because it was earned. when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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i don't need to demonstrate anything. the numbers speak for me. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. *pats on head and hands a lolli* run along now. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Mag's wrote:Demonfist wrote:Mag's wrote:Except that Tippia isn't trolling and now you've resorted to name calling as you know you were wrong.
Just stop posting. i've resorted to name calling because it was earned. when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause. We all know why you resorted to it. It's because you were wrong and have lost the argument. The rest of your posting is now icing on that cake. cool story bro. i like cake. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Demonfist wrote:when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause. Speak for yourself. Quote:i don't need to demonstrate anything. the numbers speak for me. What numbers would they be? i always do. thanks for the approval after the fact. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Mag's wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. *pats on head and hands a lolli* run along now. Prime example. If you had any faith in your argument, you would argue the point. You would argue and show proof your scenario is profitable. i argued the point. what needed to be said was said. no more troll food will be dispensed, sorry you'll have to look elsewhere. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:i argued the point. No, you didn't. You made a bunch of baseless claims that were immediately shot down. With nothing left to offer, you dived headlong into the fallacy ditch and started splashing about feebly. Quote:what needed to be said was said. Indeed: the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. You have demonstrated this with ample clarity. fixing some freshly beaten dead horse for dinner, huh? enjoy that. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 17:26:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Demonfist wrote:Mag's wrote:Prime example.
If you had any faith in your argument, you would argue the point. You would argue and show proof your scenario is profitable. i argued the point. what needed to be said was said. no more troll food will be dispensed, sorry you'll have to look elsewhere. Yes we read your argument and it was wrong. But instead of backing it up and presenting more facts, you've thrown a tantrum and started name calling. Now you refuse to show faith in what you said, because let's face it, it was wrong. is it namecalling when the names fit? or simple recognition and acceptance of reality. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Dave Stark wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:i argued the point. No, you didn't. You made a bunch of baseless claims that were immediately shot down. With nothing left to offer, you dived headlong into the fallacy ditch and started splashing about feebly. Quote:what needed to be said was said. Indeed: the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. You have demonstrated this with ample clarity. fixing some freshly beaten dead horse for dinner, huh? enjoy that. we wouldn't have to keep beating it, if you'd just answer the questions that were put to you. however, this thread has taken the predictable turn that after roughly 20 pages some clueless gank victim sympathiser comes along and makes baseless claims, gets told they're wrong, and has a tantrum and the thread gets derailed to a back and forth of; people asking for proof of unfounded and hilariously flawed claims, and the clueless party having a tantrum saying he's right yet failing to produce any evidence what so ever. and the other side of that argument turning a blind eye to everything that is said and repeating the same drivel over and over. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:and the other side of that argument turning a blind eye to everything that is said and repeating the same drivel very simple truth over and over. That is currently the only side of the argument, so what else is there to do but to repeat it and hope that you actually start discussing it again? i don't repeat myself for idiots and i don't feed trolls. you should give up hope, it will save time. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Luukje wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:having people willing to join is. So that was a pretty nonsensical red herring then, and we're back at the original question: they attacked you with a fleet, so why is it so bad to have a fleet of your own for protection? it's not bad. we can have a game where nothing moves without a fleet of escorts. supply will start to dry up, prices will skyrocket and eventually even the gankers will start to cry. my point is is that really the eve we want to have? You sir, are ********. no offense but you've got such little understanding of eve that it is utterly pointless to even further discuss anything you're saying. You've clearly shown you have absolutely NO understanding of any of these subjects. you can stop anytime. i don't have a code alliance held to your head. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Darek Castigatus wrote:No no, by all means keep humiliating yourself Demonfist, its actually quite funny.
Quick hint for you, flouncing off into the sunset loudly delcaring victory actually requires you to be right about something first. you mistake me for someone that thinks humility is a bad thing. and history is written by the person that bleeds less, what actually happens is usually mostly irrelevant. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:you mistake me for someone that thinks humility is a bad thing. So why don't you demonstrate some, accept the fact that you were wrong, and bow out of a discussion where you have been proven wrong and have nothing more to offer? why don't you scroll back, reread everything i've already typed, accept the fact that i might actually know what i'm talking about, and bow out of a discussion where you've done nothing but say someone is wrong and offer nothing on why or how?
if you want to have an open discussion or debate i'm down for that. i will not respond to "no, you're wrong." "no, you're wrong." "no, you're wrong." 4 year olds do that. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The name calling is the only thing left in his arsenal, everything else has been nuked by the application of logic, and people who know what they're on about.
He's been Tippiadokkened. yeah, except no. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:why don't you scroll back, reread everything i've already typed, accept the fact that i might actually know what i'm talking about No, I don't do things that are based on lies. lies. you're a funny troll. i like you.
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virm pasuul wrote:Demon when everyone else is telling you that you are wrong you are wrong you have two choices:
1 Sit back and have a think. Is it possible that I am wrong? Maybe so many people telling em I am wrong is a sign that something is wrong. - Down this path lies possible enlightenment. No one is always right. We all make mistakes. Know when you have made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up and a sign of maturity.
2 Ignore everyone else in the whole world because you are right and everyone else is wrong. Stick you head in the sand, sing lalalala I can't hear you as loudly as you can. Insult people a lot in absence of any logical argument. This method is preferred by small children who don't know any better. This option whilst it may seem like a good idea is not. This option makes you look like a clueless idiot.
I advise option 1 although I think you have your heart set on option 2.
everyone told einstein he was wrong. he ignored them. i think i'll pick option 3. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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everytime you say i'm wrong, this pops into my head...
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -- Arther Schopenhauer Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:everytime you say i'm wrong, this pops into my head...
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -- Arther Schopenhauer Being proven wrong in an entertaining manner is quite different than being ridiculed. If you are so secure in the truth of your position, why aren't you willing to defend it? Arther Schopenhauer was perfectly willing to defend his positions, as evidenced by his successful defense of a doctoral dissertation, among (many) other papers. i'd be happy to defend it and spell out my reasoning to someone that didn't take a page from the republican playbook of deny, obfuscate, propagandize.
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up GǪso more people start doing it, so supply goes up and prices go back down again. So if you're going to accuse people of not understanding something, make sure you've actually thought through what the effects are that you are desperately hoping for. You can troll about a lot of things but to those like myself with an actual degree in economic, your attempts at the subject just come off as sad and pathetic. He was semi right, just over simplified it. If the logistics involved become too excessive, the opportunity cost associated with it (along with the accounting cost associated with it) will push people out. I'm seeing the effects with my indy contacts who seem to have an increased interest in running L4s instead of mining. It's called the supply/demand equilibrium and an increase to costs will cause a shift to the supply curve. The result is a new equilibrium at a higher price level and smaller moving quantity. With many of those previous suppliers moving toward running missions which generate new isk into the game. This will have a multiplier effect on the economies inflation rate as a whole and the player base as a whole is worse off. Now you can dismiss as you which and reply as you like but keep in mind that your reply will be both dismissed and ignored (as in not replied to) on grounds that you quite obviously lack the education and experience on the subject for anything you have to say to hold any weight. i don't think i oversimplified enough, they still didn't get it. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:i'd be happy to defend it and spell out my reasoning to someone that didn't take a page from the republican playbook of deny, obfuscate, propagandize. My first response to you was simply asking for a link to your proof. Why weren't you happy to defend it then? because there is no link to my proof. my proof is more than a decade of marketeering in online games, with an eye focused on markets in the real world to learn how it all works. i know how it works because market laws apply everywhere markets exist. it doesn't matter how you slice it, supply and demand works the same way everywhere and all the time. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:because there is no link to my proof. my proof is more than a decade of marketeering in online games, with an eye focused on markets in the real world to learn how it all works. i know how it works because market laws apply everywhere markets exist. it doesn't matter how you slice it, supply and demand works the same way everywhere and all the time. If you never posted proof for your claims, why have you repeatedly told people to go back and reread your posts to find proof in them? Demonfist wrote:why don't you scroll back, reread everything i've already typed, accept the fact that i might actually know what i'm talking about, and bow out of a discussion where you've done nothing but say someone is wrong and offer nothing on why or how? ahh, here we go. let the obfuscation begin. i told people to reread my posts so they would get the point i was making, notice that quote of mine doesn't say anything about proof. i'm reasonably sure i never explicitly stated having a link that would contain all of any "proof" that there was. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:because there is no link to my proof. So you have none. Good, that was all you had to say. i have no link to it means there is no link, not that there is none.
Tippia wrote:Oh, and by the way, what you're alluding to there proves you wrong about the supply/demand-effects of logistics (to say nothing of the logistics-effects of ganking) as well.
got any numbers for that? oh wait, "ganking is good because ganking is good". i forgot. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Luukje wrote:biggest troll yet. seriously; why you guys bothering replying to someone who must be trolling. surely noone is this delirious he actually believes this crap? Boredom It's also amusing as hell to see him dig himself into a huge hole that he has absolutely no chance of climbing out of. why would i want to dig out of it? i'm thinking bunker basement for a summer home. i just need to dig a bit deeper first, then widen it a bit. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If bumping is ever made a CONCORD offense, I will invest in salvage drones and MTUs and camp the Jita undock. Which is (again) why I suggested that Bumping should not be a CONCORD offense, rather that victims of a (failed) gank attempt should have a 60 second immunity from Bumping once CONCORD arrives on the scene. Awesome. So from now on, when I want any ship to be immune to bumping - I simply create a throwaway trial account and log in, shoot my freighter in a free Ibis, and enjoy 60 seconds of being immune to game mechanics. I can't see anyone abusing that :P yes, you would be free to do that. as would other people if they wished to spend the time for something so trivial. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Luckily I haven't lost a ship at all! I simply present again the absurd situation caused by the current game mechanics. "So you find it comprehensible that you and your CODE buddies would show up, try to gank an Orca, get it down to 20% structure, have CONCORD come and kill you and give you an aggression timer...and then do nothing as your buddies sit there for 15 minutes bumping it so it can't escape, with CONCORD at the scene, and then watch as the exact same gankers come right back and finish the job? Seriously? That even conceivably makes sense to you? I refuse to believe that anyone could find that a reasonable game mechanic in highsec." Copying the same post over and over doesn't make it true. I addressed all of those points. Laws in different jurisdictions are different. New Eden has different laws than the real world, and New Eden's capsuleer police (CONCORD) have an extremely limited, reactionary role which fits the laws of New Eden. If you perform an act of illegal aggression in HS, CONCORD destroys your ship, docks you sec status, and gives you a 15min time out. That is their entire function. Their function has nothing to do with protecting anyone, simply with creating cost for illegal aggression in HS. This is how the game was always intended to work and is how it works now. This is the problem with Veers, and something that I have not figured out how to work around. You bring up valid points, he simply ignores them and repeats himself. Over and over again. It's depressing. this is the intarwebz. it's a valid tactic. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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IIshira wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Demonfist wrote:i just hope code realizes they're harassing the industrial backbone of the game, stealing isk from the people that mass produce it. it's generally not a good idea to **** off a group that could hire every merc outfit that exists if it had a mind to. but hey, i guess everyone needs content. after two or three years of lying down and doing nothing but weep, the industrial backbone's finally woken to deliver a stern warning. in merely five or so short years, if CODE. hasn't stopped its belligerent yet charming antics, the industrial backbone will strongly begin to consider entertaining the thought of rising up and asking someone else to do their work for them. then CODE.'ll be sorry you hear me, CODE.? your goose is cooked BUCKO I bet CODE is scared now after this "stern warning" was given. But seriously it would be nice for miners and haulers to learn some basic game mechanics and not be easy targets. Blowing up AFK miners and auto piloting haulers is boring. then why do it at all? Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:then why do it at all? Because if food flies into your mouth, you chew on it even if the process of it getting there isn't as exciting as an all-evening cook-off. remind me to throw food at you sometime. after adding rat poison. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:Try again. Don't need to buddy, what I said is fact. Sorry if you don't agree. This is the ROLE I wish to see CCP in. Stand your Ground, You handle the game aspect and let the players run as they should in a Sandbox game. Whether we kick the castle down or build it, it's up to us. I am so happy finally seeing CCP and a very respect Dev ontop of that taking a Solid stance for once. Actually the last few "releases" I have seen them stand their ground and I love it. Start dealing with everyone and not Catering to the Tearfilled Entitled. Off topic, how many of your ships are named Airwolf? you've got to admit that show had a catchy theme to it Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:remind me to throw food at you sometime. after adding rat poison. So, since your account is hanging a bit loose right now, can I have your stuff. (No, the lack of a question mark is entirely as intended and conveys the correct meaning.) i have 13 accounts, and no. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:i have 13 accounts, and no. So that's a lot of stuff for me then. And again, it wasn't a question GÇö GÇ£noGÇ¥ doesn't really fit. sure it fits. you're welcome to waste time and iskies trying whatever it is you think you can do. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:sure it fits. you're welcome to waste time and iskies trying whatever it is you think you can do. Oh, I don't have to do anything GÇö that's the beauty of it: you'll do all the work. Hence why GÇ£noGÇ¥ doesn't really applyGǪ sounds like more "ganking is good because ganking is good" to me. you have a super awesome day now, k? Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:sounds like more "ganking is good because ganking is good" to me. You mean it sounds like you're not quite sure what's being said because you failed once again to pay attention? Yes, it's a lot like that. sorry, did you say something? Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:sorry, did you say something? Yes: do you understand why the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and why ganking is good for the economy yet? didn't catch that. try all caps or something. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:57:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice? So? That's not a prerequisite for forming a fleet for your own protection. having people willing to join is. The way you carry yourself on the forums is an indicator to the way you behave in game. I can see why you have no one willing to join you... ...I can also see why people would be willing to run at a loss to gank you... i'm worse in the game, and the last person that ganked me actually got me a free ship. i am my own support and my own backup, not everyone has the tools available that i do. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:06:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:sure it fits. you're welcome to waste time and iskies trying whatever it is you think you can do. Oh, I don't have to do anything GÇö that's the beauty of it: you'll do all the work. Hence why GÇ£noGÇ¥ doesn't really applyGǪ sounds like more "ganking is good because ganking is good" to me. you have a super awesome day now, k? I really hate to spoil surprises, but guessing games get tiring when the guesser is bad at them. What it sounds like is that you haven't read the EULA or TOS, or you'd understand why you may have put your account(s) in a tenuous spot. there won't be a surprise. i've read the eula and tos. my accounts are just fine. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:12:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:he's a one-man wolfpack 5 billion in losses in a year is impressive in its own way. Gotta love the double tanked active/buffer cyclone though. a year? closer to three months i'd think. my memory of events may be somewhat off. drop in the bucket though. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:RubyPorto wrote:What it sounds like is that you haven't read the EULA or TOS, or you'd understand why you may have put your account(s) in a tenuous spot. there won't be a surprise. i've read the eula and tos. So you understand why your accounts might be at risk then. By the way, you didn't answer the question. i understand that the goal of trolls is to agitate others into doing what they want, which is often accompanied by turning around and misinterpreting them for their own purposes. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:29:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:Actually, pretty much anyone (and everyone) does. That's kind of the point being made here. There are some tools he could be using that other players don't have access to. But that goes back into the realm of EULA problems. i'm pretty sure isboxer use has been cleared. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:33:00 -
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Maichin Civire wrote:Forty-six pages in four days.
I guess it's new record of EVE-O forums? atleast 7 pages of it is "ganking is good because ganking is good". someone is incapable of thinking of anything else it seems. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:41:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:Actually, pretty much anyone (and everyone) does. That's kind of the point being made here. There are some tools he could be using that other players don't have access to. But that goes back into the realm of EULA problems. i'm pretty sure isboxer use has been cleared. It has ( kind of). Of course, that means that everyone has access to that same tool, so it clearly can't be what you were referring to when you said "not everyone has the tools available that i do." you have and use isboxer too, then? :] Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:RubyPorto wrote:It has ( kind of). Of course, that means that everyone has access to that same tool, so it clearly can't be what you were referring to when you said "not everyone has the tools available that i do." you have and use isboxer too, then? :] What does that have to do with anything? shoo, troll. grown ups are talking. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:52:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:you have and use isboxer too, then? :] Having a tool available and using it are different things. i'll take this to mean that you don't have or use it. so "not everyone has the tools i do" is perfectly accurate. pay the fee and you can be awesome too. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:i'll take this to mean that you don't have or use it. so "not everyone has the tools i do" is perfectly accurate. But that is not what you said. What you actually said is entirely inaccurate (wellGǪ at least presuming you're not breaking the EULA in new and interesting ways). that's nice. go hide under your bridge. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:01:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:you have and use isboxer too, then? :] Having a tool available and using it are different things. i'll take this to mean that you don't have or use it. so "not everyone has the tools i do" is perfectly accurate. pay the fee and you can be awesome too. I have no need for it. Doesn't mean it's not available to me, like it is to every other player in EVE. And while "not everyone has [and uses] the tools i do" may be accurate, that's not what you said. you're going to start picking nits too? you didn't pay the fee, so you don't have access to it. most other eve players also didn't and don't. i did, so i do. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:that's nice. So you understand, then, why what you said was incorrect? so you understand you are a troll? Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:09:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Demonfist wrote:you're going to start picking nits too? you didn't pay the fee, so you don't have access to it. most other eve players also didn't and don't. i did, so i do. Yep, I haven't bought a chainsaw, so there's nothing available to me to cut down the tree. Ready to stray back on topic? How is your gank scenario profitable to the ganker? because good trolls are good trolls Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:so you understand you are a troll? So you understand, then, why what you said was incorrect?' Calling me a troll when you have no cogent or coherent answer doesn't make me one GÇö your 100% success rate at being wrong and being in every way utterly and completely incapable of answering a question is a far greater indicator of a troll than my asking you very simple questions to make sure you understood what you just said. so you do understand you're a troll then? excellent. we're making progress. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
Demonfist
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:so you do understand you're a troll then? excellent. we're making progress. Nonsensical strawman and GÇ£tu quoqueGÇ¥ fallacy. Now, answer the question: do you understand why what you said was incorrect? Yes or no. It's a very simple question. If you can't answer it, we know the answer. If you refuse to answer it, we know the answer. my answer is this: you're a troll. have a nice day. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:my answer is this: So that's a GÇ£noGÇ¥ then. You are wilfully admitting that you do not understand the difference between availability, ownership, and use. Do you wish to alter your answer? Again, a simple yes or no will do, and again if you can't or refuse to answer, we will know the answer. you're a troll and a ganker. an all around useless festering boil on the rump of eve. have a nice day. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:you're a troll and a ganker. an all around useless festering boil on the rump of eve. So that's also a GÇ£noGÇ¥ then. Ok. By your own admission, we have now established that you are not familiar with the difference between these words, just like you are not familiar with the concept of profit, just like you are not familiar with how the EVE economy operates, just like how you are completely in the dark about what people do in this game. None of these areas of ignorance on your part makes me a troll. They just make you completely incapable and unqualified from discussing most matters related to the game. i sure am glad i can pay my isk bills without having to randomly kill people who did nothing to me in fights designed to completely lack any challenge and require zero pvp ability. have a nice day, troll. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:i sure am glad i can pay my isk bills without having to randomly kill people who did nothing to me in fights designed to completely lack any challenge and require zero pvp ability. blahblahblahblah blah blah blahblah blah i'm just a troll! trollin trollin trollin, keep these fools a'trollin. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:trollin trollin trollin, keep these fools a'trollin. blahblah blah blah blah blahblahblah more troll stuff
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:31:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Demonfist wrote:Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:i sure am glad i can pay my isk bills without having to randomly kill people who did nothing to me in fights designed to completely lack any challenge and require zero pvp ability. blahblahblahblah blah blah blahblah blah i'm just a troll! trollin trollin trollin, keep these fools a'trollin. I hope you're trolling... It's better than the alternative that you actually believe what you're typing. i'm not. he is. or she, or wtf ever it is. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:32:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:it's like the gotta-have-the-last-word four hundred metres at the ancient and revered event the dumbarse olympics up in here
if the event runs any more overtime i'll have to move the unfunny-comment relay to the overpriced-architectural-horseshit stadium in features and ideas
or i would have to if i wasn't the only participant in the event yeah, i was kinda hoping there'd be more isboxer discussion so we'd get threadlocked. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:37:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Demonfist wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:it's like the gotta-have-the-last-word four hundred metres at the ancient and revered event the dumbarse olympics up in here
if the event runs any more overtime i'll have to move the unfunny-comment relay to the overpriced-architectural-horseshit stadium in features and ideas
or i would have to if i wasn't the only participant in the event yeah, i was kinda hoping there'd be more isboxer discussion so we'd get threadlocked. that's lovely but it's best you stop posting that probably is a good idea. i think homeskillet is finally realizing they really should have stopped when i suggested it to not waste time. then again, they play eve, so obviously no life and probably nothing better to do. with that said, dragoncon here i come! Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:IIshira wrote:I hope you're trolling... It's better than the alternative that you actually believe what you're typing. i'm not. he is. or she, or wtf ever it is. No. I'm simply asking you a question: what does what you wrote have to do with any of what you quoted? It sounded like you were trying to say something of relevance, but it was so unconnected from the context in which it appeared that it did not make any sense or offered any kind of sensible argumentation. So if you were, please explain what it was GÇö present your argument. Otherwise, if all you want is for us to add the difference between trolling and asking questions to the rapidly expanding list of things you are not familiar with, then just say so. *pats on the head as he's walking out the door* Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Demonfist wrote:my position is entirely untenable so i'm just going to accuse everyone else of trolling dude! it's like you know me. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Demonfist wrote:*pats on the head as he's walking out the door* That's nice. How about, instead, you answer the question: what does what you wrote have to do with any of what you quoted? you're absolutely right. i DO need another beer. Awesome self-quote in 3... 2... 1... Ok, GO!
"The only launchers i'm interested in having as part of +PV+P are the ones that fire ze missilez!" -- Demonfist |
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