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Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 01:23:00 -
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At 22:30 on the 29th, two pilots, including myself, of Utopian Research I.E.L. caught a 21st Imperial Crusade Tengu operating unimpeded in Todifraun. This is a system in the Metropolis region on the border with the Forge, and one of the last systems in the region officially recognized as a part of the Empyrean Wars.
After the destruction of this pilot's Tengu, I decided to patrol deeper into the warzone. I made it through 21 jumps, inspecting every system between Todifraun and Eszur before seeing a single Matari Militia pilot undocked and active. In the same period, I saw 15 Amarr militia pilots across 13 of the 21 systems. As a previously long serving member of the Tribal Liberation Force, having attained the rank of Matar Colonel, this negligence disgusts me.
To the pilots of the TLF, I ask this; Is it up to the pilots of the Cartel to protect your backyard? Where is your rearguard? I know well enough that there is one, I was part of it for several years. What sort of military force places so much emphasis on the front lines that they totally ignore their own territory?
I will be performing this same patrol, from Todifraun to Eszur, whenever I am available for the immediate future. I invite the pilots of the TLF to prove my contempt misplaced and show a little tactical acumen. For every TLF pilot I see in these systems undocked and active, I shall attempt to collect the corpse of a 21st Crusade pilot in the same region. These corpses will be presented to the group I see the most regularly once I feel the Crusader's presence to have been sufficiently lowered.
I expect to see you in space,
Archangel Kalaratiri Saskia. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
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Anslo
Scope Works
8353
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:34:00 -
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Can you not **** up my backyard? You seemed kind of cool but now I'm like wait what?
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Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
175
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Posted - 2014.08.30 03:28:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote: To the pilots of the TLF, I ask this; Is it up to the pilots of the Cartel to protect your backyard? Where is your rearguard? I know well enough that there is one, I was part of it for several years. What sort of military force places so much emphasis on the front lines that they totally ignore their own territory? I w
I am not a military pilot, but I feel that I can answer this:
It's the kind of military force that tries to prevent entry by a hostile force, rather than chasing interlopers through dozens of systems after-the-fact.
The best way to keep someone out is to not let them enter in the first place. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:16:00 -
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But they have already entered.
Can't speak for the Cal-Gal front but the TLF militia, as of current, are made out of privateers and freebooters rather than loyalists, with their eye on profit and personal glory. There's little profit and glory to be had patrolling the backlines, so they all go to the front. It's been this way the past two years I had my carte blanche to operate and despoil those the TLF labelled as the enemy. |
Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
253
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Posted - 2014.08.30 07:26:00 -
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Welcome to Metropolis, Archangel!
There are several Thukker stations in the region, each has a Katanga caravanserai that will welcome Cartel pilots.
Good hunting! Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Drug-dealing, frigate-fighting, Rifter-rolling Thukkervixen |
Arista Shahni
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:24:00 -
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From a null perspective:
Not everyone is a hunter.
From a null perspective, huntrs are useful, and need not be eveyone.
So, one's 'negligence' seems to be your niche.
"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. -áAnd as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all." |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1226
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:26:00 -
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I'd say, that the Empire has cleaned these systems from tribal presence in space. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
454
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:30:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:... Is it up to the pilots of the Cartel to protect your backyard?
Of course not.
Let Republic's negligence be their own downfall and look after your own matters. And don't let emotions of nostalgia regarding your previous employment history get to you.
If that might be problematic, keep in mind it's the Republic Fleet who's constantly throwing their auxiliary wings into suicide missions in our own backyard in Curse. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
Kucial Ghavera
Stillwater Corporation
454
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:21:00 -
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The Republic has never cared about its backyard. It treats it as a dark alley that they would prefer to pretend does not exist. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
454
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:13:00 -
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Kucial Ghavera wrote:The Republic has never cared about its backyard. It treats it as a dark alley that they would prefer to pretend does not exist.
Not like we're complaining, really. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
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Ava Starfire
Gradient
1603
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:48:00 -
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There is a lot of wankery in here.
Oh, Leo's here, with his short bus... that's why. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1228
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:28:00 -
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Short bus, Ms. Starfire? As a short civilian transport ship?.. Why short? |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
746
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:05:00 -
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What's a bus? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Alba Miri
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
3
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:07:00 -
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Kucial Ghavera wrote:The Republic has never cared about its backyard. It treats it as a dark alley that they would prefer to pretend does not exist. What is the difference between the Republic's backyard and its front garden then? But I think what the Republic does is not the question here, this is about capsuleers, the TLF, U'K and likeminded groups. But Mister Egivand has put it right already: privateers and freebooters.
Kalaratiri wrote:At 22:30 on the 29th, two pilots, including myself, of Utopian Research I.E.L. caught a 21st Imperial Crusade Tengu operating unimpeded in Todifraun. I know it is sophistry, but the times of the 21st Imperial Crusade have long passed... |
Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
350
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:18:00 -
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Alba Miri wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:At 22:30 on the 29th, two pilots, including myself, of Utopian Research I.E.L. caught a 21st Imperial Crusade Tengu operating unimpeded in Todifraun. I know it is sophistry, but the times of the 21st Imperial Crusade have long passed...
You are of course correct. A minor memory failure on my part. Edited the OP. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
455
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:14:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:There is a lot of wankery in here.
Oh, Leo's here, with his short bus... that's why.
Here's a hint, improve your infrastructure and I won't have to feel as awkward when I get a table sooner than any of the tribal liberation force in Hofjaldgund.
I'd mention Skarkon, but that would just be impolite, hm? - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2014.08.31 01:48:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:There is a lot of wankery in here.
Oh, Leo's here, with his short bus... that's why. Here's a hint, improve your infrastructure and I won't have to feel as awkward when I get a table sooner than any of the tribal liberation force in Hofjaldgund. I'd mention Skarkon, but that would just be impolite, hm?
Skarkon's still shite. I think the Republic abandoned it already. It only gets worse every time I go back for family gatherings. |
Kucial Ghavera
Stillwater Corporation
456
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Posted - 2014.08.31 02:16:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:There is a lot of wankery in here.
Oh, Leo's here, with his short bus... that's why.
Does this make me the short bus? I am honored. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.31 07:43:00 -
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Kucial Ghavera wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:There is a lot of wankery in here.
Oh, Leo's here, with his short bus... that's why. Does this make me the short bus? I am honored. Can you transport a lot of civilians then?
Or, I don't wish to sound as ignorant as Ms. Otsito of course, but if not a transport, then what did Ms. Starfire mean? Information transport maybe? And short, because the information is delivered faster (however I doubt that a minmatar would use a word for high-technology or information reference).
Besides the word "bus" is well know (disregarding peoples as Ms. Otsito), the real mystery here is the word "wankery". Maybe it is something that was this bus delivering. But what exactly is this? Maybe Mr. Ghavera was delivering these "wankery" goods? Minmatar native good? Or was them peoples?...
Minmatars sometimes are so hard to understand! |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
458
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Posted - 2014.08.31 12:51:00 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
Skarkon's still shite. I think the Republic abandoned it already. It only gets worse every time I go back for family gatherings.
You Republicans might already give it up and let us run things there. You know, for the sake of your so precious democracy. People did have their say in it, after all.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2014.08.31 14:02:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
Skarkon's still shite. I think the Republic abandoned it already. It only gets worse every time I go back for family gatherings.
You Republicans might already give it up and let us run things there. You know, for the sake of your so precious democracy. People did have their say in it, after all.
We haven't had a Democracy for quite some time now though. It's all Tribal Assembly now.
Also, I won't call myself a Republican. |
Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
351
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Posted - 2014.08.31 15:30:00 -
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Thank you to all who have replied so far. I'll respond to a few here:
Anslo wrote:Can you not **** up my backyard? You seemed kind of cool but now I'm like wait what?
I'm curious as to how you see this operation "******* up" "your" backyard.
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:It's the kind of military force that tries to prevent entry by a hostile force, rather than chasing interlopers through dozens of systems after-the-fact.
The best way to keep someone out is to not let them enter in the first place.
Worthless tactics. Cloaked T3s, stealth bombers, even some frigates are easily fast enough to cross the borders without trouble. Preventing all entry is impossible. Regular patrols through the systems is a far more effective way of dealing with such interlopers.
Elmund Egivand wrote:There's little profit and glory to be had patrolling the backlines, so they all go to the front.
I would tend to disagree. The protection of the rear lines is one of the most important jobs in a military force. As for profit, defensively plexing gains loyalty points the last time I checked, and the destruction of Amarrian vessels rewards the same. Not to mention the loot that can be earned from such targets.
Karynn Denton wrote:Welcome to Metropolis, Archangel!
There are several Thukker stations in the region, each has a Katanga caravanserai that will welcome Cartel pilots.
Good hunting!
Thank you for the welcome Miss. Denton. Allow me to extend an offer in return; Should you ever find yourself in The Forge, I would be delighted to host you in our Otosela office.
Diana Kim wrote:I'd say, that the Empire has cleaned these systems from tribal presence in space.
Remind me how many warzone systems the Caldari hold? She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
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Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
351
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Posted - 2014.08.31 15:31:00 -
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Oh yes, I almost forgot:
Leopold Caine wrote:And don't let emotions of nostalgia regarding your previous employment history get to you.
We may share an employer Caine, but don't be fooled into thinking that gives you a right to give me emotional advice. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2014.08.31 15:55:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:There's little profit and glory to be had patrolling the backlines, so they all go to the front. I would tend to disagree. The protection of the rear lines is one of the most important jobs in a military force. As for profit, defensively plexing gains loyalty points the last time I checked, and the destruction of Amarrian vessels rewards the same. Not to mention the loot that can be earned from such targets.
Unless the TLF has changed the payout scheme, D-plexing rewards far less than O-plexing unless the system where you D-plex in is heavily contested. Even then, you still won't be getting more than 75% of what you can from O-plexing. On the other hand, O-plex payout has no such dependency.
Also, no glory from destroying baseliner Amarr vessels, truth be told. I used to go after capsuleers. |
Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
351
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:17:00 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:There's little profit and glory to be had patrolling the backlines, so they all go to the front. I would tend to disagree. The protection of the rear lines is one of the most important jobs in a military force. As for profit, defensively plexing gains loyalty points the last time I checked, and the destruction of Amarrian vessels rewards the same. Not to mention the loot that can be earned from such targets. Unless the TLF has changed the payout scheme, D-plexing rewards far less than O-plexing unless the system where you D-plex in is heavily contested. Even then, you still won't be getting more than 75% of what you can from O-plexing. On the other hand, O-plex payout has no such dependency. Also, no glory from destroying baseliner Amarr vessels, truth be told. I used to go after capsuleers.
I'm not talking about baseliner vessels. Destroying 24th capsuleers earns TLF loyalty points. You are correct that offensive plexing is more valuable, monetarily at least, but that does not remove the tactical sense of regularly running defensive plexes. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1231
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Posted - 2014.08.31 17:44:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote: Remind me how many warzone systems the Caldari hold?
Two. Soon will be more. Caldari always return. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.09.01 01:03:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:There's little profit and glory to be had patrolling the backlines, so they all go to the front. I would tend to disagree. The protection of the rear lines is one of the most important jobs in a military force. As for profit, defensively plexing gains loyalty points the last time I checked, and the destruction of Amarrian vessels rewards the same. Not to mention the loot that can be earned from such targets. Unless the TLF has changed the payout scheme, D-plexing rewards far less than O-plexing unless the system where you D-plex in is heavily contested. Even then, you still won't be getting more than 75% of what you can from O-plexing. On the other hand, O-plex payout has no such dependency. Also, no glory from destroying baseliner Amarr vessels, truth be told. I used to go after capsuleers. I'm not talking about baseliner vessels. Destroying 24th capsuleers earns TLF loyalty points. You are correct that offensive plexing is more valuable, monetarily at least, but that does not remove the tactical sense of regularly running defensive plexes.
But remember. Privateers and freebooters. It's all about isk. I am no exception, truth be told. Okay, fine, I was really in it for an opportunity to build up combat experience. |
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