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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1201
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Posted - 2014.12.28 11:36:58 -
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I suppose its possible that this is exactly what CCP wants.
After all most of the universities in this country have offloaded their email servers to google to save on hardware and maintenance costs.
Perhaps CCP is trying to push EVE-related conversation to 3rd party locations in order to cut costs. Another year of this and they'll be almost back where they started - forums-wise.
Except years ago we had signatures.
EDIT: Still curious if any 'total thread view' metrics exist without forcing some poor sap to try to count several hundred pages worth manually....would do it myself, but my calculator hand would look like a ragged claw after adding up only one year's worth. |
ArmyOfMe
PILGRIMS Advent of Fate
402
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Posted - 2014.12.28 15:52:19 -
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I knew i wasnt posting as much as i used to, but never knew I had this big of a impact
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1973
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Posted - 2014.12.28 18:09:11 -
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Usage is down because the ISD is lockhappy and there's communities like reddit which are not as militantly policed.
Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1413
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Posted - 2014.12.28 18:22:56 -
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you know what stat I want to see?
Number of corps with player corporation / alliance standings to other player corps / alliances over time.
Then just who those entities are.
The lack of *flavor* has killed something the game badly needs
As for post numbers declining, doesn't the biggest controlling power have some police force that slam "bad posters"?
Cheers for nothing once more guys - golf clap
[u]*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums*[/u]
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3791
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Posted - 2014.12.28 18:30:54 -
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Removed a post discussing moderation. Keep it civil. Thanks.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1973
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Posted - 2014.12.28 18:33:24 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Removed a post discussing moderation. Keep it civil. Thanks.
Thanks for precisely proving my point for me.
BTW, I wasn't discussing forum moderation. I was discussing forum usage metrics.
Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1973
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Posted - 2014.12.28 18:43:46 -
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Keep proving my point by deleting my posts for a BS reason (I'm not discussing forum moderation) Basterlode.
Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3184
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Posted - 2014.12.28 18:48:26 -
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While I do think this to be an interesting thread, I would like to ask not to post here with direct attacks at CCP/ISD or discussions on specific moderation actions.
As such, I have removed a rule breaking post.
The Rules: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1973
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Posted - 2014.12.28 18:55:50 -
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No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice.
Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3791
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Posted - 2014.12.28 18:58:53 -
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Xuixien wrote:No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice. Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1973
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Posted - 2014.12.28 19:02:09 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Xuixien wrote:No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice. Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created.
Yes it is, the advice being don't lock so many threads.
The number of locked threads has gone down because the total number of threads has gone down.......
.................................
Also now you're discussing forum moderation. Tsk tsk.
Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
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Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno.
1471
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Posted - 2014.12.28 19:19:52 -
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Oh god Eve is dying.
How to win EVE
Shiny eveboard
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1974
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Posted - 2014.12.28 19:24:45 -
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My work here is done.
-exits stage left-
Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
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Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1881
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Posted - 2014.12.28 19:47:51 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
Reddit could explain it, as moderation may have driven people to other resources not directly under corporate control.
Another possible factor - 'new EVEGate forum' starting sometime in 2012, if I recall correctly. Their initial rollout, and hasty retreat to the old forum, *Snip* Please refrain from discussing real life politics. ISD Ezwal.
Ah... the F "you" CKING irony. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
842
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Posted - 2014.12.28 19:59:13 -
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on the plus side we don't have 2-3 new how do I fit CNR threads every day
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3185
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Posted - 2014.12.28 20:23:28 -
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Ok people, calm down please.
As the discussion stands, it is a chicken/.egg dilemma. Is the thread count down because of moderation? Or is it down despite moderation? As there are no straight answers to those questions, only opinions, the only thing I can say is that we do our utmost best to keep this forum as healthy as possible. Most of the time to the satisfaction of the majority of the forum posters and the people we work for at CCP.
Just let me be very clear, the policy on how we handle the forum stands as it is now. However, if and when we make mistakes we also do our utmost best to rectify them. As I have done in the past and will continue to do in the future.
There also are plenty threads we do not lock, although we very much could with the rules in hand. Like this one...
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1980
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Posted - 2014.12.28 20:34:20 -
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In a free society, moderators are accountable for their actions.
In New Eden, you can't even discuss moderation.
The man is keeping you down.
$*%& THE SYSTEM!!!
Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
52469
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Posted - 2014.12.28 20:36:30 -
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Oh my god, just checked my Evesearch-profile and I guess I know the reason now:
2004: 1,172,604 2005: 1,238,543 (+5.3%) 2006: 1,783,132 (+30.5%) 2007: 2,125,331 (+16.1%) 2008: 2,031,028 (-4.6%) 2009: 2,019,159 (-0.6%) 2010: 1,628,577 (-24.0%) 2011: 1,856,649 (+12.3%) <---(Zimmy Zeta starts shitposting) 2012: 1,689,159 (-10.0%) 2013: 1,554,399 (-8.7%)<----(Zimmy Zeta unsubs for almost one year) 2014: 1,223,452 (-27.1%) <----(Zimmy Zeta resubs)
Sorry, guys
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1381
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Posted - 2014.12.28 20:57:39 -
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Adding my very own opinion as I still have 3k clicks to do to create my deep safespot, and finding this thread quite entertaining, from my total outsider to the "inner circle" posting I have seen over the years, the only glaring bump I have seen in the forums Is MUCH less "Alien Language" posting/posters here.
I still remember when browsing the forums that I hated the annoying circlecongratulatory slap in the back most threads eventually became and then on top of that People discussing the merits/flaws of X system/alliance/corp and how Y Ceo/FC/Roamer/Group "sucked"/"won" to levels of absolute mindnumbing drivel that any outsider (which I honestly am as I enjoy the game for many things except that) find totally undecipherable, alienating and reflective of People in lost towns discussing local elections and the merits flaws of the Mc Samathrupis versus the MaccMoneghelians and how their great grandfather used to date Lady Chelomeres of the Map ap Ughana Clan in the Village 3 days to the west, the one that had the small farmlet of the Vann Thorestelis, the ones that used to sell the weird smelling sheepskins and how the chieftains of the Pamawanti Tribe was so bad he led the Pamawanti and kin, the Otolom+¬ to extinction and then guess what, the Otolom+¬s intermarried the Samathrupis but the MaccMongeghelians have Okowuari Blood, their ancient enemies and some still say they hold a grudge....
Ugh.
These days when I go to outside sources I still see the same confined circle of self-congratulatory posting i find so obtuse, and funny when I see people tracing their "lineage" and "merits". It really makes me happy that is so hardly seen these days here to be honest.
People practically speak eve-creoles and patois only a very specific portion of the userbase understands, then on top of that cry foul to "tourists" for not understanding how to eat blue glazed doughnuts.
If anything, what I see is the total crystallization of these outsider groups as their own weight has fallen off the main crust and migrating elsewhere.
The Forums are different now, whatever metrics are used to define points as to WHY are in the end "assumptions", backing them on whatever metrics you can find out only makes them that still.
What I now theorize, since in the end that-¦s all we can do here is that further trimming of the forums shows the user-base has changed (which is gooooooooood) and the old guard is now Talking their Eve Patois elsewhere.
I also find highly interesting the reference to forums being an "old" form of communication to most youngsters, it could imply a lot of things.
Interesting changes for EVE ahead if what I believe will happen is true, and that is simply we are slowly gaining YOUNGER converts, fresher minds, unpolluted, that will make the game veer differently in the years to come, a change I actually welcome to be honest.
Minds that are ore focused on micro blogging , that from my very 2 cents worth of an opinion is the real game changer here.
People complaining are just slower to adapt in this theory I am formulating
Forums by their very nature are too old, an older form of communication that is not instantaneous enough.
The question here to OP should be , if you perceive a problem in the virtual realm, perhaps its you not adapting faster enough to it? (using my theory that we simply have different people, not a straw man of any sorts haha, need to clarify that, and giving you an alternative to your conundrum)
Moments like these is when i wish I could work in this field of research, so many questions
As usual , a simple mind morsel for me, much love to OP/ISD/Players, not trolling nor attacking, just my habit of trying to deepen a topic in different venues.
Cheers!
o/
Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco:
http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics CODE.
257
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Posted - 2014.12.28 20:58:35 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:I suppose its possible that this is exactly what CCP wants.
After all most of the universities in this country have offloaded their email servers to google to save on hardware and maintenance costs.
Perhaps CCP is trying to push EVE-related conversation to 3rd party locations in order to cut costs. Another year of this and they'll be almost back where they started - forums-wise.
Except years ago we had signatures.
EDIT: Still curious if any 'total thread view' metrics exist without forcing some poor sap to try to count several hundred pages worth manually....would do it myself, but my calculator hand would look like a ragged claw after adding up only one year's worth.
It's possible, but most game companies prefer to have people on a format they can control.
If the player base is raging on the forums, dev responses get a special tag with high visibility. On Reddit dev responses can get downvoted and hidden. |
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ArmyOfMe
PILGRIMS Advent of Fate
403
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:53:45 -
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Just gonna say that ISD Ezwal is my Hero =)
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
2196
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:17:21 -
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Interesting numbers, always love them
Cause and effect is tenuous at best when dealing with statistics http://twentytwowords.com/funny-graphs-show-correlation-between-completely-unrelated-stats-9-pictures/ so I won't even get into those (although I am suspicious of ZZ)
The ideas are still out there, still coming in. The threadnaugts still ride at dawn and consume the masses.
Nah, not dead, just resting.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1686
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:09:48 -
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Part of this would be the fact that this is an old game. Virtually every question has been answered somewhere on the forum already and, despite Help Channel queries indicating the contrary, Google does exist.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1092
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:16:20 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Xuixien wrote:No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice. Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created. Numerically or by percentage? You see math is a *****, you may lock less threads but if there are less threads to lock then the percentage has gone up.
But thanks to the OP my previous statement is now fact, EvE ,may not be dying but GD sure is. :)
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1385
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:19:09 -
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That actually made me laugh a TON :D +1
Here, made this for you
Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco:
http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1092
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:23:55 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Ok people, calm down please.
As the discussion stands, it is a chicken/egg dilemma. Is the thread count down because of moderation? Or is it down despite moderation? As there are no straight answers to those questions, only opinions, the only thing I can say is that we do our utmost best to keep this forum as healthy as possible. Most of the time to the satisfaction of the majority of the forum posters and the people we work for at CCP.
Just let me be very clear, the policy on how we handle the forum stands as it is now. However, if and when we make mistakes we also do our utmost best to rectify them. As I have done in the past and will continue to do in the future.
Edit: I removed a reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. Healthy or alive? There is a big difference.
I do not see the forums coming back to life. I do not see thread "pruning" in any way increasing or bettering the conversation. Look through the current threads, do you see much of them being constructive? But then look at all the threads that have been pruned because they have been deemed non-constructive. There is such a thing as constructive criticism.1
What is going on in the forums now is more akin to keeping the patient on life support to milk the insurance company rather than administer the antidote.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1092
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:32:25 -
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Sol Project wrote:Ignoring that posts/hr are of no value whatsoever.
You can come up with irrelevant data that proves nothing all the time, but unless you somehow prove that it actually got worse ...
... you simply have nothing to say beyond your typical asshattery.
Ignore me all you want ... it won't help you. And yet posts like this go without moderation.
ISD...something about personal attacks....
Sooner or later there will be harsh realities to be faced. At some point CCP will need to make decisions based upon survival or die the coolest kid in town that no one cared about. They have spent like drunken sailors on abject failures and their product shows it. And not all the fanboi love in the world will save EvE, so check into reality people and start being part of the solution and not the problem.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11030
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:36:05 -
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Nexus Day wrote: Sooner or later there will be harsh realities to be faced. At some point CCP will need to make decisions based upon survival or die the coolest kid in town that no one cared about. They have spent like drunken sailors on abject failures and their product shows it. And not all the fanboi love in the world will save EvE, so check into reality people and start being part of the solution and not the problem.
Although I am sure I will regret asking, what is the point of this off topic ranting?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
48
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:40:28 -
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Is ISD question if forums are dying because less shiptoasters or because they all hate the ISD? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5969
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Posted - 2014.12.29 05:51:48 -
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Changes in technology might also be a factor.
Look at Disqus for example. Funny thing is that the structure of a Disqus article/thread is closer to that of threads from the late 1990s, meaning we have gone full circle. It's just a little more modernized and dynamic.
Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication.
Back in my dayGäó we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years.
But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages.
And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena.
Not sure I can say if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Just a thing.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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