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Jackson Walsh
J.J. Walsh Contracting and Delivery LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.23 03:31:49 -
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So a former corp mate came forth to me for some advice, he's wondering if he's eternally locked down now that he awoxed a target just to see what it feels like. He's got extensive skills suiting his former Wormhole experience, but now that he's got that black mark he isn't able to find a new corporation.
Last night he was told this: "Look, I've got nothing for you. It's not a risk that I, or any other corporation out there would take. Even if you've turned a new leaf, even if you're serious about wanting to commit, there's no way you can join anything on that character. Your best bet would be to make a new account, come up with a dedicated training plan, and PLEX that account for a few months while it trains up. And then, never commit any AWOXing again. On this, or on your next account."
After a little more conversation, he recruiter mentioned that even if he was invited to join a corp, the most likely scenario would be that they killed him and took whatever he owned as a get-back.
Are there any corps that ever overlook Awoxing, or is he trapped?
(P.S. I apologize if this is the wrong place to post this. It was either here or the General Forum.) |
Noragen Neirfallas
Unus Iunctus Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2015.01.23 03:40:15 -
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certainly no wormhole corps. He would be best off joining a few non wh corps for a bit
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 03:46:14 -
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Jackson Walsh wrote:now that he's got that black mark he isn't able to find a new corporation. Quelle surprise. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.01.23 04:29:41 -
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Fun Fact:
99% of posters who make threads on behalf of their "friend", are that friend.
Friends don't let friends post on their behalf.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Lugia3
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club Operation Pointy Stick
1475
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Posted - 2015.01.23 05:30:20 -
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No real corps care if you kill or steal from highsec carebears. Or renters, really.
Wormhole corps can be touchy though.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.23 05:36:51 -
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Jackson Walsh wrote:So a former corp mate came forth to me for some advice, he's wondering if he's eternally locked down now that he awoxed a target just to see what it feels like. He's got extensive skills suiting his former Wormhole experience, but now that he's got that black mark he isn't able to find a new corporation.
Mission Accomplished! They now know what awoxing feels like.
seriously, why did they expect?
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Jackson Walsh
J.J. Walsh Contracting and Delivery LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.23 06:19:10 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Jackson Walsh wrote:So a former corp mate came forth to me for some advice, he's wondering if he's eternally locked down now that he awoxed a target just to see what it feels like. He's got extensive skills suiting his former Wormhole experience, but now that he's got that black mark he isn't able to find a new corporation. Mission Accomplished! They now know what awoxing feels like. seriously, why did they expect?
He said he read something about CODE. and Safaris. Knowing CODE, he's an idiot. He might as well just join them at this point. |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2015.01.23 07:53:35 -
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I can share some light on this since i am in the same situation . I've done some high sec carebear awoxing myself and because of it had troubles joining corps ... granted my long history doesnt help either :P
Fact is yes , generaly speaking once you start awoxing you limit yourself to the nr of corps that will take you , but it all comes down to each corps recruiter .
I have managed to join 2 different wh corps even after said awoxes , but at the same time i was true to the corps and did not commit any crime .
Thing is most people are afraid because they do not know any better and do not understand game mechanics to properly protect themselves ore undestand just how much they are at risk .
True story i've had hardcore low sec pvp corps turn me down just because of it .. i mean seriously what kind of a pvp corp is that if they are afraid of an high sec awoxer when the awoxer stands to loose more if he does awox .
Your best bet is to try to explain to the noobs taht you can't rly hurt them in situations A , B , C ( depending on where they live and how ) and to try and get some referals from other players that testity that you only awox people you do not care about and for fun .
Example of above : Say you wanna go to w-space , now if the corps is well established with segregated pos hangars then they are at no danger cause you cannot steal nor someone canno steal from you , furthermore the CEO is at full control cause he can aceess all hangars including yours .
Therefor if you choose to awox someone you stand to loose all your assets thus loosing alot more ( on paper ) . GRanted you could only bring crap + ur awoxing ship but if that happens he can see it before you attempt at any job . ITs not a perfect situatin and the smarter awoxer can acomplish his plan even with all of the above but it looks nice when you tell the recruiter they have all the POWER :) and you have a better chance in joining .
Just gotta outsmart them and if all else fails , be sure to call them noobs cause quite frankly , they are ..
Otherwise i recommend null sec / low sec , they tend to not care more if you awox or not .But to be honest for jus 1 kill .. i hardly see the the need to worry this much .
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.23 08:34:03 -
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Unless you're planning on just graduating the awox character to ganking afterwards, there isn't a whole lot you can do with them once their killboard has blue on blue on it.
Rep is important in this game. I publicly approve of awoxing and have done it a whole bunch of times, but even I don't **** where I live.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ro Fenrios
Armilies corporation Skeleton Crew.
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:36:09 -
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Trust is hard to come by in EVE. Unless you intend to have career as awoxer, doing that just to try it probably is not wise idea. I build my relationships on trust above anything. It is slow process which takes patience, but I think it is worth it. You can do amazing things once you have group of people who you know you can trust and who will have your back no matter how bad things are going. Those people also are the reason I keep logging on every day. More so than the game.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1105
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:43:50 -
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Actually you should find it remarkably easy to get into corps in hisec, just spam the 'join corp' button.
I guarantee you will find SOMEBODY that will accept you.
I kid you not, there are players that state in their bio that they are awoxing bastards and get into corps.
Sometimes you need a cover story (They wanted me to buy a permit!! Those bastards!!) , sometimes not.
I find the old 'I bought this toon off the Bazaar' excuse works more often than not.
Also, it helps to hang out in the Rookie Channel.
Yes, its a cesspool, but that's what long showers are for.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1105
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:46:12 -
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Also , if nothing else, tell your friend to join my corp....we are all evil alt spais, awoxing scum, and such, so as long as he doesn't mind wearing a hamster suit he's in.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1107
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:05:16 -
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There are plenty of low sec, npc null sec and even sov owning corps that would accept an awoxer. people that play to pvp don't mind losing ships and so have nothing to fear from awoxers. your "friend" might not get many roles in such a corp though incase you/he wants to find out what theft feels like.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
1254
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:06:32 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Also , if nothing else, tell your friend to join my corp....we are all evil alt spais, awoxing scum, and such, so as long as he doesn't mind wearing a hamster suit he's in. You totally need to form an alliance with a corp that references elderberries in the name. Totally.
To the OP: once you AWOX, you will likely have a hard time joining any corp that is really worth AWOXing. You could get into any number of new corps filled with new players and AWOX them all day, but what's the fun in that?
My Many Misadventures
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I seek to create content, not become content.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:50:03 -
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Jackson Walsh wrote:So a former corp mate came forth to me for some advice, he's wondering if he's eternally locked down now that he awoxed a target just to see what it feels like. He's got extensive skills suiting his former Wormhole experience, but now that he's got that black mark he isn't able to find a new corporation.
Last night he was told this: "Look, I've got nothing for you. It's not a risk that I, or any other corporation out there would take. Even if you've turned a new leaf, even if you're serious about wanting to commit, there's no way you can join anything on that character. Your best bet would be to make a new account, come up with a dedicated training plan, and PLEX that account for a few months while it trains up. And then, never commit any AWOXing again. On this, or on your next account."
After a little more conversation, he recruiter mentioned that even if he was invited to join a corp, the most likely scenario would be that they killed him and took whatever he owned as a get-back.
Are there any corps that ever overlook Awoxing, or is he trapped?
(P.S. I apologize if this is the wrong place to post this. It was either here or the General Forum.)
All of this will change once the Awox changes come in the upcoming patch... sigh...
Probably wont ever be accepted by a WH corp ever again, but regular highsec corps may accept him even if they know hes an awoxer thanks to that little change.
But i still dont get the point of awoxing in WH. I mean, why not just leave corp, use the info you collected and pew pew with a vengeance? Id understand if you needed to be in the corp to steal assets and stuff, but I dont really see the point in awoxing a WH corp. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1108
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:21:51 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Probably wont ever be accepted by a WH corp ever again, but regular highsec corps may accept him even if they know hes an awoxer thanks to that little change.
Personally I don't think the change is going to affect things much. CEO's who use it are the type to take the steps (background checks...) that make sure an awoxer would have a very difficult/boring time anyway.
I also have some wonderful idea's on how to use this 'safety switch' to do incredible, wonderful things.
Glorious things...;)
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
838
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:30:59 -
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What does your friend want to do in a Corp? Make isk.... Try faction warfare corps maybe. Otherwise mission or run wormhole sites on your own solo Corp.
PvP... Join RvB. If you annoy people or awox once in, you would be kicked, but we usually aren't that picky to stArt start with. |
Dreadchain
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
123
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:14:55 -
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I did some Awoxing on my main and never had any trouble. Shot some greens who were being complete and utter retards. More than once.
It's probably just the type of people you're trying to join.
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
657
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:32:18 -
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I would let Awox joing mine but you will never get anywhere in it and as its a one man corp there's nothing worth taking
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Jhousetlin Zamayid
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:14:46 -
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This thread is full of lies.
The Infamous Xuixien The Great, Epic Space Cat and Queen of Rens, 1st Defender of Gaknem and Knight of the New Order in Good Standing and former CEO and Founder of AUT5M, who ran reverse safari non-stop for weeks, and has suicide ganked hundreds of miners in HiSec, was able to leave her past behind her and join a WH corp.
It all depends on who you try to join, and how upfront you are about it. 1 awox on your record? Please. Participate in Spectre Fleet for a few weeks and you'll have so much garbage on your KB that no one will even notice that one little green-on-green. |
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Quantum Distributions
1377
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Posted - 2015.01.24 00:05:24 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Fun Fact:
99% of posters who make threads on behalf of their "friend", are that friend.
Friends don't let friends post on their behalf. Wow! I'm in the 1%! I did that once...
Dreadchain wrote:I did some Awoxing on my main and never had any trouble. Shot some greens who were being complete and utter retards. More than once.
It's probably just the type of people you're trying to join. Pretty much this though. You'd be surprised at the number of corps that will let you in if you tell them upfront that you're an awoxer. Hell, only two corps I've ever been in on this character didn't know that have awoxed people in the past.
New player resources:
Uni Wiki - General Info
Eve Altruist - PvP
Belligerent Undesirables - High Sec Pvp
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2015.01.25 23:31:17 -
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It depends on the kind of corp you're joining and the kind of awoxing you did. In a world where GoonWaffe did public recruitment a hisec safari would probably belong at the top of your resume. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Quantum Distributions
1377
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Posted - 2015.01.26 00:19:53 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:It depends on the kind of corp you're joining and the kind of awoxing you did. In a world where GoonWaffe did public recruitment a hisec safari would probably belong at the top of your resume. Well I have been looking to join... You take isk for the security deposit, right?
New player resources:
Uni Wiki - General Info
Eve Altruist - PvP
Belligerent Undesirables - High Sec Pvp
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Tear Jar
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
303
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Posted - 2015.01.26 00:25:54 -
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Jackson Walsh wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Jackson Walsh wrote:So a former corp mate came forth to me for some advice, he's wondering if he's eternally locked down now that he awoxed a target just to see what it feels like. He's got extensive skills suiting his former Wormhole experience, but now that he's got that black mark he isn't able to find a new corporation. Mission Accomplished! They now know what awoxing feels like. seriously, why did they expect? He said he read something about CODE. and Safaris. Knowing CODE, he's an idiot. He might as well just join them at this point.
Lots of corps(including code.) will accept awoxers. He is always free to join pizza. Awoxing garuntees citizenship there. |
The Connoisseur
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.01.26 02:43:16 -
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Uh, shouldn't have problems joining a corp that isn't grabbage. I've done some things and I have never had a problem. Hell, currently I head up recruitment for my current corp. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
530
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:44:28 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Voyager Arran wrote:It depends on the kind of corp you're joining and the kind of awoxing you did. In a world where GoonWaffe did public recruitment a hisec safari would probably belong at the top of your resume. Well I have been looking to join... You take isk for the security deposit, right?
For an esteemed posting connoiseur such as yourself? I would vouch you past the security deposit myself. Hell, for you, I'd even move your ships and assets out to your new home personally.
As a small favor, it would make the shipping go a bit smoother if you concentrated the bulk of it in Jita beforehand. |
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
495
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Posted - 2015.01.27 01:41:06 -
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I represent Scope Project that is quickly becoming a sanctuary for marked toons simply put I control all collective assets and ask that no "donations" occur between Scope Project members. We also educate all our community on the latest awoxing techniques and safety protocols
we are not immune to awoxing and will actively consider it as a final solution to any who intend to harm us but I train all that join my organisation to please be carful with internal interaction and work with those you trust but always try to extend the hand of friendship to new toons and give them the benefit of doubt
yes they can turn a new leaf I myself participated in a code. gank fleet and became apart of A.G from what I saw there (it is a hell boring way to gank...and im a flipping miner )
yes they can but if they is a asshat they cant change as a player (we have had a few that simply crossed the well set lines and have ben perm banned from us)
"we must learn from the dark side of eve not shield ourselves from it...it simply does not work"
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Alastair Ormand
Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
125
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Posted - 2015.01.27 05:14:07 -
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He should start his own corp and keep all assets that aren't his out of his reach.
Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4461
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Posted - 2015.01.27 06:00:17 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Unless you're planning on just graduating the awox character to ganking afterwards, there isn't a whole lot you can do with them once their killboard has blue on blue on it.
Rep is important in this game. I publicly approve of awoxing and have done it a whole bunch of times, but even I don't **** where I live.
There are plenty of ways to explain a blemished killboard if you have one blue on blue incident. Lying is your friend.
I recommend that you tell future recruiters "Yep. I joined that corp without realising they were a bunch of RL neo-*****. Got sick of the 'white pride' comments in corp chat so I shot them and left". In my experience noone even considers that that might be a lie. (Edit - should be obvious from the context but the censored word means 'right wing extremists').
You might also consider getting an off-account alt into the corp you earlier AWOXed or into the blue-on-blue victim's new corp, then making a forum thread accusing the member you shot at of being a corp thief. It will come up in Google searches and it will trash their reputation.
If it's not just one incident but a whole filthy killboard, or if you have repeatedly and publically admitted to blue-on-blue for-the-lulz kills, you're only getting into careless corps. If it gets really really bad, sell the character and buy another.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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