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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:45:29 -
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I think the length of discussion on this topic proves that there hasn't been anything of much interest passing through GD.
I like guys in EVE. People are extremely polite and on the average more intelligent than people you run into at the local Starbucks. I have two older brothers and I've been teased, hair pulled, sat on, some of my dates hit on, my toys broken, you name it for most of my childhood. And I love my brothers to death. A picture of a gaping orifice in fleet or "off" comments would be tame in comparison to things I'm used to. But my experience has been, over and again, that people in EVE are extremely nice and generous to a fault. Even negative experiences have turned out to evolve and change and mature.
People in EVE like me or hate me based on my actions and my abilities, not based on how I look. This makes me want to learn the game and be better at it so that I can be useful to others and be part of their circles and groups. EVE is in many ways the meritocracy that RL should be.
And a point that I think almost no one has mentioned. At its very core as a game, there is absolutely nothing sexist about EVE. CCP has done well designing a gender neutral game, which also happens to be the most fascinating and complex game I've ever played.
As for Rain listening to Taylor Swift.. this just tells me that he wants to understand women, but ends up more confused than before.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22450
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:00:58 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sibyyl wrote: I think the length of discussion on this topic proves that there hasn't been anything of much interest passing through GD.
I like guys in EVE. People are extremely polite and on the average more intelligent than people you run into at the local Starbucks. I have two older brothers and I've been teased, hair pulled, sat on, some of my dates hit on, my toys broken, you name it for most of my childhood. And I love my brothers to death. A picture of a gaping orifice in fleet or "off" comments would be tame in comparison to things I'm used to. But my experience has been, over and again, that people in EVE are extremely nice and generous to a fault. Even negative experiences have turned out to evolve and change and mature.
Your parents might have been more strict and instilled proper respect into your brothers.
I grew up in Watts. My brothers helped me survive it as a complete outsider. They named me, they changed my diapers and fed me. No one who wasn't us was allowed to touch a hair on my head, as far as they were concerned. Life is more complicated than a respect on/off switch. People who insist on that are ignorant of the world (which was Jenn's point).
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22453
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:17:26 -
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If pulling hair and being pinned down in and of themselves are disrespectful then I suppose I'm quite confused. I don't see what being infected has anything to do with that.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22455
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:35:25 -
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Rain6637 wrote:lol. Lies. You know perfectly well what you started (and I emphasized) when you said you grew up in Watts. I've seen you mention your military past a few times. Any one of your tours comes with hazards I can't even imagine and would probably never survive. We mention these things not to brag but because it frames our mindset for other people without having to write down a ton of details.
In any comparison of my life to someone else's I'm perfectly content being the lesser of the two. I think you know that about me.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22458
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:51:47 -
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This is why I think Rain is totally adorbs.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22460
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Posted - 2015.02.10 15:26:14 -
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Except that Jenn didn't actually say that anywhere.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22460
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Posted - 2015.02.10 17:07:28 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I have an idea that involves a chair bolted to the floor, some chains, a whip, few electrical devices. I am sure we can teach them to enjoy EVE just the way it is!
Where can I sign up for this?
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22460
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:34:52 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Someone tell me again how EVE is not drowning in miss placed testosterone?
Oh and S logged off early as a result.
Is that person supposed to be representative of men in EVE? I would advise you don't draw that comparison. It is unfair to the vast majority of guys in EVE who are nothing like that.
I'm telling you because i made a similar logical fallacy in a related argument. It's an unfair thing to do.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22461
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:49:24 -
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Women who like sci fi and Internet spaceships. This is not a large group of people in society (arguably less than 5%). And no, going to a Star Wars movie doesn't alone make you a sci fi lover. EVE players are a tiny fraction of society too. I think the proportions are equivalent.
if you want to answer the question of why not more women, you have to first figure out why women in general aren't into the genre, and even if they are into the genre not thrilled by the idea of a time consuming and mentally/emotionally exhausting MMO of the genre.
I doubt the men in EVE contribute to that, though it's certainly something people like to latch onto. We're all a bit socially inept and there are some pitfalls to people like that interacting, don't you think?
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22461
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Posted - 2015.02.10 19:14:07 -
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I have a slightly different take than Jenn to that post.
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Female sensibilities are not more important than male ones. Females are just as likely as males to engage in immature and objectionable behavior - just of differnt types. The ability to get away with pretending one's feelings must be protected because of ehat's in ones pants is one of the privileges of being female.
The right to say something offensive, as much as it is a right, doesn't have anything to do with a "sensibility". A person can say all manners of offensive things they want, but it's hypocritical of them to be surprised when the hammer comes down as negative feedback.
The problem for some of the worst offenders in chat is they believe they have the implicit right to say whatever they want without verbal retaliation.
We may disagree on what's offensive, but to be honest most adults playing EVE are smart enough to figure out what they're saying is insulting to someone or not. I believe you have every right to use that insult, but I also believe that opens the door to anyone else freely insulting you back.
I feel that people shouldn't create that situation by being insulting and offensive. It's a simple enough rule to abide by in 2015.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22471
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:31:05 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:We see this illustrated perfectly when the "victim" retaliates in kind, or simply reveals that they have a double standard. Or the vroup has a double standard, condemning "offensive" behavior when directed at certain people or groups, but condoning, encouraging, or participating in it when directed at others targets where its more acceptable. Women for example can get away with making almost any generalization about men they want, while male treatment of females invites threadnaughts of hand-wringing.
When you assume that people really are smart enough to know whats offensive, you are really just begging the question and assuming some objective, universal standard of offense. When you claim something is offensive, others are well within their rights to ask if that offense is reasonable. If your response is to simply dismiss that concern because they should ready know why you are guilty of trying to assign your own position the status of self-evident truth.
If blindly making offensive remarks is someone's right, then responding in kind and having double standards are rights too. The environment one creates is one they have to endure. Things are about as simple as that. You can work with other people sharing the same space as you, or you can hold your breath and insist on your rights until you're blue in the face.
You have to relinquish some of those rights. That's what collaboration of any kind means. You have to make the effort to understand what could hurt those other people who are your friends or your corpmates and make small adjustments to your behavior. If these friends and corpmates are good people then they will make adjustments too and not insist on trying to control or dictate your behavior.
People don't need to adopt the same standard of what's offensive or not. They simply need to find ways to accept that things that are OK for them may be offensive to someone else, and maybe there isn't a pressing need to expressive something potentially offensive simply because you have an urge to do so. This is the basic tenet of any community.
And careful. You sound dangerously close to being a victim yourself.
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