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Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:16:51 -
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Greetings. My name is Lisa Ouyano, I am a lieutenant in Peace and Order, as well as a FC in SAK.
The appearance of the Drifters is certainly startling to us all, and has left more questions than answers. I have been working independently to develop workable theories as to what their presence means, and possible ramifications.
I decided to commence my research project in the system of Afivad, where one of their towers has recently decloaked. First and foremost these structures are obviously enormous. Measuring nearly 200km from tip to tip. Second, every single structure has a gas cloud of some sort around it. The gas cloud is nearly 200km across.
My first thought is that the structures are pumping out some sort of gas. Further investigation seems to hold to this theory. You can readily see Exhasut Pipes on these structures. These pipes are connected to Massive Hoses. It is also incredibly evident that the lower half of the structure is Hollow.(1) Gasses can easily flow into this part of the structure, or possibly out of. I strongly believe gasses and air are being forced OUT of this part of the structure due to the inability to fully proceed into the structure. I suspect forced air was halting my progress.
My research into the vents came abruptly to an end when Artemetis fired upon me.
I noted their hostility towards Jove-esque craft from other reports.
At this point I decided to investigate the Drifters and leave the structure alone. Image 1 Image 2 Image 3 Image 4 Image 5
As I approached Artemetis she began to scan and or transmit data to me. Image 6 Image 7 Image 8 I strongly believe they are attempting a form of visual communication, but at this point I am entirely uncertain what it is they are trying to convey.
I wound up spending several hours with them, occasionally bumping them, occasionally being bumped. But the entire time I was being scanned and or contacted by both Apollo and Artemetis. An interesting note, I was... |
Azrial Bathana
United Mining Union
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:29:04 -
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Your research seems fairly well conducted however I'm forced to point out again that they seem to be aggressive to all vessels, not just jovian crafts. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:31:58 -
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Azrial Bathana wrote:Your research seems fairly well conducted however I'm forced to point out again that they seem to be aggressive to all vessels, not just jovian crafts. I would like to cite this evidence again. I spent several hours with Apollo and Artemetis. Locking both, bumping both, weapons clearly displayed and online. They took no aggressive action against me. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:32:11 -
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May want to redact part of that last image. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:35:07 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:May want to redact part of that last image. No desire. I am not revealing any unwanted intel. But I thank you for your concern. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:38:25 -
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I wonder, on the subject of communication between Sleepers / Drifters and ourselves: why is it assumed that they have anything they want to say to us?
For the Sleepers, it was perhaps understandable that we weren't able to communicate. After all, direct interaction was limited to their automated Drone units. Sleepers themselves are within a virtuality that is so far inaccessible to us as far as I know. Perhaps they are unable to communicate outside that virtuality in a way we can recognize.
But the Drifters... if they are Jovian in origin there should be no similar barrier. We had no problem communicating with the Jove in the past. Even if these Drifters are from a Jovian sect that predates those we knew in the past... it seems like there should be every reason that they would be able to communicate with us if they desired to do so.
Hell, as long as these structures have been present in our space they should have a full linguistic history of the development of every language in New Eden. To me it seems clear: they don't communicate because they have nothing to say to us.
The question is: why? |
Azrial Bathana
United Mining Union
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:40:24 -
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Lisa Ouyano wrote:Azrial Bathana wrote:Your research seems fairly well conducted however I'm forced to point out again that they seem to be aggressive to all vessels, not just jovian crafts. I would like to cite this evidence again. I spent several hours with Apollo and Artemetis. Locking both, bumping both, weapons clearly displayed and online. They took no aggressive action against me.
Thats odd however it is not indication of a drifter/ jovian war. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:45:38 -
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Azrial Bathana wrote:Lisa Ouyano wrote:Azrial Bathana wrote:Your research seems fairly well conducted however I'm forced to point out again that they seem to be aggressive to all vessels, not just jovian crafts. I would like to cite this evidence again. I spent several hours with Apollo and Artemetis. Locking both, bumping both, weapons clearly displayed and online. They took no aggressive action against me. Thats odd however it is not indication of a drifter/ jovian war.
Correct, it does not in and of itself indicate a war. But this is my theory, and I will be working further to either prove or debunk my theory. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:48:43 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:I wonder, on the subject of communication between Sleepers / Drifters and ourselves: why is it assumed that they have anything they want to say to us?
For the Sleepers, it was perhaps understandable that we weren't able to communicate. After all, direct interaction was limited to their automated Drone units. Sleepers themselves are within a virtuality that is so far inaccessible to us as far as I know. Perhaps they are unable to communicate outside that virtuality in a way we can recognize.
But the Drifters... if they are Jovian in origin there should be no similar barrier. We had no problem communicating with the Jove in the past. Even if these Drifters are from a Jovian sect that predates those we knew in the past... it seems like there should be every reason that they would be able to communicate with us if they desired to do so.
Hell, as long as these structures have been present in our space they should have a full linguistic history of the development of every language in New Eden. To me it seems clear: they don't communicate because they have nothing to say to us.
The question is: why?
Perhaps the Drifters are not fully conscious? Perhaps they are in some sort of sleep while in their ship? Perhaps they Drift between consciousness and unconsciousness which would make standard forms of communication impossible for them.
I only suggest this because I have noticed multiple Drifter battleships, but only 2 pilots. I suspect they have multiple clones of each, and either one acts merely to control their vessels.
Of course this is only my theory, and I need to work further to provide more evidence of this. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
419
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Posted - 2015.02.19 17:05:30 -
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We can speculate any number of rationalizations, but the most simple explanation for their silence remains that they have nothing to say. |
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Azrial Bathana
United Mining Union
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Posted - 2015.02.19 17:08:53 -
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Lisa Ouyano wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:I wonder, on the subject of communication between Sleepers / Drifters and ourselves: why is it assumed that they have anything they want to say to us?
For the Sleepers, it was perhaps understandable that we weren't able to communicate. After all, direct interaction was limited to their automated Drone units. Sleepers themselves are within a virtuality that is so far inaccessible to us as far as I know. Perhaps they are unable to communicate outside that virtuality in a way we can recognize.
But the Drifters... if they are Jovian in origin there should be no similar barrier. We had no problem communicating with the Jove in the past. Even if these Drifters are from a Jovian sect that predates those we knew in the past... it seems like there should be every reason that they would be able to communicate with us if they desired to do so.
Hell, as long as these structures have been present in our space they should have a full linguistic history of the development of every language in New Eden. To me it seems clear: they don't communicate because they have nothing to say to us.
The question is: why? Perhaps the Drifters are not fully conscious? Perhaps they are in some sort of sleep while in their ship? Perhaps they Drift between consciousness and unconsciousness which would make standard forms of communication impossible for them. I only suggest this because I have noticed multiple Drifter battleships, but only 2 pilots. I suspect they have multiple clones of each, and either one acts merely to control their vessels. Of course this is only my theory, and I need to work further to provide more evidence of this.
As for the name issue i think they may be more of a rank than an actual name.
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Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 17:12:26 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:We can speculate any number of rationalizations, but the most simple explanation for their silence remains that they have nothing to say. That is quite possible, but I feel it is unlikely. These are obviously a social peoples, hence their desire to always fly with at least 2 craft present. I feel they lack a specific means to communicate with us. |
Azrial Bathana
United Mining Union
4
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Posted - 2015.02.19 17:13:05 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:We can speculate any number of rationalizations, but the most simple explanation for their silence remains that they have nothing to say.
I would assume they have something to say, maybe they are just waiting for the right time to say it. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.02.19 17:34:41 -
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Lisa Ouyano wrote: I feel they lack a specific means to communicate with us.
How is this possible? Humans have been overcoming vast barriers to communicating with each other for uncounted millennia. We developed language itself out of only our innate cognitive abilities, the ability to make signals, and capability for pattern recognition.
In our time we have so many more resources available that it beggars description. Any being capable of building starships shares understanding of mathematical principles that can be leveraged for forming the basis of shared communication. Lacking means to communicate simply is not possible. You're telling me they can't blink a light in a pattern of 0s and 1s?
They choose not to communicate. That is the only explanation that makes any sense. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 17:41:26 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Lisa Ouyano wrote: I feel they lack a specific means to communicate with us.
... You're telling me they can't blink a light in a pattern of 0s and 1s? They choose not to communicate. That is the only explanation that makes any sense. Image 1 Image 2 Image 3 Image 4 Image 5
They are blinking lights at us. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.02.19 17:46:00 -
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And does your research indicate that there is a pattern indicative of an attempt to communicate in those blinky lights? |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 17:47:47 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:And does your research indicate that there is a pattern indicative of an attempt to communicate in those blinky lights? As I have noted, I am unable to determine what they are trying to convey with their visual communication. Later I'll be doing more research into this, but I fear without some sort of a decryption-device it can be very difficult to tell what is exactly meant by the light and pattern. |
Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
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Posted - 2015.02.19 18:02:01 -
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No offense Lisa but a group with the kind of tech we've seen so far wouldn't need lights to communicate. They'd just take our transmissions or translators and go from there. I honestly think they're just scanning us and simply don't want to talk. But hey maybe I'll be eating my words in the coming weeks.
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Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.02.19 18:02:24 -
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Perhaps the Drifters do not like capsuleers because we ourselves utilize Jovian technology in our ships and brains. Perhaps this splinter group feels such technology should never have been gifted to humans in the first place. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 18:05:11 -
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Anslo wrote:No offense Lisa but a group with the kind of tech we've seen so far wouldn't need lights to communicate. They'd just take our transmissions or translators and go from there. I honestly think they're just scanning us and simply don't want to talk. But hey maybe I'll be eating my words in the coming weeks. Entirely possible. Again I have not done much research into how and if they are communicating, but I intend to later today. |
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Azrial Bathana
United Mining Union
4
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Posted - 2015.02.19 18:13:45 -
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Siddhar Gangari wrote:Perhaps the Drifters do not like capsuleers because we ourselves utilize Jovian technology in our ships and brains. Perhaps this splinter group feels such technology should never have been gifted to humans in the first place.
That is a possibility. I think at the moment we just have to wait to see there next move. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 18:16:43 -
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Siddhar Gangari wrote:Perhaps the Drifters do not like capsuleers because we ourselves utilize Jovian technology in our ships and brains. Perhaps this splinter group feels such technology should never have been gifted to humans in the first place. I have been considering this as a very real possibility. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
421
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Posted - 2015.02.19 18:24:42 -
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An aggressive and powerful force is moving into territory, staging military assets and destroying things. Seems to me "just wait to see" is a very bad idea. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 18:31:16 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:An aggressive and powerful force is moving into territory, staging military assets and destroying things. Seems to me "just wait to see" is a very bad idea. They could likely be staging for war. Whether they are siding with us or against us is very hard to determine at this point. I feel we should do our utmost to be seen as friendly, and not enemy. |
Azrial Bathana
United Mining Union
4
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Posted - 2015.02.19 21:45:42 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:An aggressive and powerful force is moving into territory, staging military assets and destroying things. Seems to me "just wait to see" is a very bad idea.
Well if they aren't at war with us then some form of preemptive strike would surely put us in conflict with them. Unfortunately most capsuleers have a mentality similar to yours.
Conflict with the drifters seems more and more inevitable everytime I read another post. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.19 22:22:05 -
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Azrial Bathana wrote:Conflict with the drifters seems more and more inevitable everytime I read another post.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.02.19 22:35:43 -
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If they didn't want a war, they shouldn't have sent Battleships.
That said, just because you lack the strategic vision to see any options other than "just wait" and "preemptive strike" does not mean the rest of us are so limited in our thinking.
Empire Navies should be mobilizing to observe Drifter facilities and monitor any force movements. We see now that the Drifters aren't hiding their activities, neither should the Empires hide that they are capable of a forceful response. Every one of these Drifter wormholes, structures, and any other activity should have an assigned Empire Naval task force observing at extreme distance and making every effort to avoid conflict, and warning Capsuleers not to interfere.
If or when the Drifters prove to be hostile, these are the kinds of forces that we will need in place to direct the full force of each Empire's counter attacks. In order for those attacks to be successful, we need our forces fully alert and ready to be deployed. Loyalist Capsuleer forces should be utilized within the bounds of operational security to support these operations. |
Azrial Bathana
United Mining Union
5
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Posted - 2015.02.19 23:57:48 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:If they didn't want a war, they shouldn't have sent Battleships.
That said, just because you lack the strategic vision to see any options other than "just wait" and "preemptive strike" does not mean the rest of us are so limited in our thinking.
Empire Navies should be mobilizing to observe Drifter facilities and monitor any force movements. We see now that the Drifters aren't hiding their activities, neither should the Empires hide that they are capable of a forceful response. Every one of these Drifter wormholes, structures, and any other activity should have an assigned Empire Naval task force observing at extreme distance and making every effort to avoid conflict, and warning Capsuleers not to interfere.
If or when the Drifters prove to be hostile, these are the kinds of forces that we will need in place to direct the full force of each Empire's counter attacks. In order for those attacks to be successful, we need our forces fully alert and ready to be deployed. Loyalist Capsuleer forces should be utilized within the bounds of operational security to support these operations.
Its apparent you didn't really understand what I meant. I agree we do need to gather as much info on these drifters as possible, however we should not engage them or provoke them in anyway. As for the battleships, capsuleers tend to have a shoot first attitude which is something you've taken no effort to hide. If I were a drifter I would have brought a battleship too.
Also its probably best not to make snide remarks when you don't fully understand what someone means. It makes you look silly in the long run. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.02.20 00:16:57 -
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Azrial Bathana wrote:
Its apparent you didn't really understand what I meant. I agree we do need to gather as much info on these drifters as possible, however we should not engage them or provoke them in anyway. As for the battleships, capsuleers tend to have a shoot first attitude which is something you've taken no effort to hide. If I were a drifter I would have brought a battleship too.
Also its probably best not to make snide remarks when you don't fully understand what someone means. It makes you look silly in the long run.
Mince words as you like.
Azrial Bathana wrote:I think at the moment we just have to wait to see there next move.
Azrial Bathana wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:An aggressive and powerful force is moving into territory, staging military assets and destroying things. Seems to me "just wait to see" is a very bad idea. Well if they aren't at war with us then some form of preemptive strike would surely put us in conflict with them. Unfortunately most capsuleers have a mentality similar to yours.
I've characterized your positions appropriately.
This isn't me being snide. This is me pointing out naivety bluntly. They are provoking us and you are talking about "just" watching.
I am talking about taking active steps to ready our peoples for the very real possibility that we are about to be attacked. |
Lisa Ouyano
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.20 02:09:20 -
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I had an interesting notion after observing some activity today.
What if the Drifters are here to defend us from something . . . |
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