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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 07:56:24
I fully back this move but only if CCP remove stacking on sensor boosters.
Reason is in low sec 75% of PVP is on gate approach, being forced to the jump in system to intercept means we need to be able to get fast lock times.
Remote sensor boosters also need to work....
If CCP do not remove the sensor stacking all small ships become totally immune to any attack at gates. That is just not right.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick bye bye gate piracy...
Now introduce bubbles in low sec thanks..
Hit the nail on the head, without pvp at stations or gates in low sec, low sec may as well be high sec.
I really do wonder how eve will continue with maybe 75% of PVP areas removed like this.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 08:30:12
Originally by: Marco P Yeah right, so Eve will totally collapse cos a small minority of lazy pirates can't gank those few who haven't had time to make an insta?
Removal of all instas within 100km of gates (and I assume the same is being done for stations?) will be a huge step forward for 99% of Eve.
I was just wondering where unconsentual PVP is mostly going to take place ?, can you help me understand :(
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 08:46:03
Originally by: Skraelingz in belts? course if you want lots of targets just wardec someone i guess heh. :)
1. very few people have any reason to be in belts
2. if you wardec how does that change the fact you cant catch anyone.
heh ?
Eve PVP is unlike any other game, it is VERY limited to specific areas. Take these areas away you will destroy the PVP side of the game or at least greatly reduce it.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 11:45:12
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: tiller Listen guys, I know it is a great move for lag, but PVP just became pretty much consentual only. One word springs to mind. CAREBEARS! lol
Nub..
well argued
Guess I cant spoil this happy day for all the people in eve who currently stay docked through fear of being blown up. Gratz, welcome to WORLD OF EVECRAFT
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 11:53:47
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 04/11/2006 11:48:31 As good as yours..
I can edit too.. Yes I stay docked because im a simple forum alt.. Whenever I reply its with the knowledge of several high skill charecters from all aspects of eve.. Your arguments are nubish.. Your alliance mates have no problems scoring kills at gates with a wide variety of tactics that snare n00bs and vets alike..
So..
Nub..
Man get a clue.
There is only one way to kill at a gate with the change. To scram them before they can warp on jump in. As I said, small ships are now immune from being forced into PVP. None of you can understand the change this has on eve and the whole way PVP is currently handled.
Sit back and think....
btw, dont try and teach me how to camp a gate :P, it's all I've done in eve for almost 3 years
edit: all ship / mod producers should notice a massive fall in demand, inflation anyone ?... the economy is gonna be wrecked.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 04/11/2006 11:48:31 As good as yours..
I can edit too.. Yes I stay docked because im a simple forum alt.. Whenever I reply its with the knowledge of several high skill charecters from all aspects of eve.. Your arguments are nubish.. Your alliance mates have no problems scoring kills at gates with a wide variety of tactics that snare n00bs and vets alike..
So..
Nub..
Man get a clue.
There is only one way to kill at a gate with the change. To scram them before they can warp on jump in. As I said, small ships are now immune from being forced into PVP. None of you can understand the change this has on eve and the whole way PVP is currently handled.
Sit back and think....
btw, dont try and teach me how to camp a gate :P, it's all I've done in eve for almost 3 years
And yet I see none of your alliance mates posting concerns on the forums.. and wait.. They get almost all their kills on the jump in not the warp in.. Yeah the new warp to 0km is really gonna nerf em all right..
Nub..
Thats because I'm a forum *****, with my main (hint)
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Tiller, I think i know what you are getting at. Small ship jumps in, and warps off before anyone can target and warp disrupt it. I think there might be some truth to it, and thats why I think mobile warp disruptors should be allowed in low sec with this change.
Yep, I say make this change but remove all stacking from sensor booster / remote sensors. Then we can at least try to adapt.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 04/11/2006 12:05:59
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Tiller, I think i know what you are getting at. Small ship jumps in, and warps off before anyone can target and warp disrupt it. I think there might be some truth to it, and thats why I think mobile warp disruptors should be allowed in low sec with this change.
I understand about the difficulty of snareing frigs but current game mechanics let you snatch them if you have a dedicated tackler.. The 2 Mega setup at the Egg gate used one as a dps ship and the other as an insta locker.. They killed shuttles on jump in.. Warp to 0 changes none of that.. What more do you want tiller?!
I want to kill you all
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: tiller Yep, I say make this change but remove all stacking from sensor booster / remote sensors. Then we can at least try to adapt.
That's not adapting.
That's asking for an imbalance in your favor.
The only reason for warp to 0 is for server issues, not gameplay. This restores the inbalance added by the server related nerf.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: doctorstupid2 Bookmarks, while a load on the database, are/were an asset that require time and often ISK to aquire, giving you a distinct tactical advantage. Just like training skills, isk + time (and of course some know-how) = advantage
Now with the HP boost, everyone having instas everywhere, solo pvp will be dead. Thanks, CCP, at least you got it right with the stab nerf
Correction.
Solo ganking will be dead.
Of course, targets that fight back aren't exactly PvP, but meh...
That's quite the assumption you're making there. I've gotten the best fights I've ever had "solo ganking targets that don't fight back," winning with 10% structure left or taking down a gate camp with 4 t2 frigates are thrills I fear will be long gone in Kali
I don't really see how the upcoming changes will effect this.
People that were willing to put up a fight will still do so. Gate-camps will still exist but will employ different tactics.
Or am I missing something here?
BTW. "Warp to 0" is still a big "?". We don't know if it will make it to TQ until a dev says so.
You are missing the fact that in low sec there is now no way to stop someone exiting the system. People can move freely pretty much, and with free movement the risk of nonconsentual pvp risk goes also.... and the thrill of the unknown.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 13:39:33
Originally by: Commoner
Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 08:18:28
Originally by: LWMaverick bye bye gate piracy...
Now introduce bubbles in low sec thanks..
Hit the nail on the head, without pvp at stations or gates in low sec, low sec may as well be high sec.
I really do wonder how eve will continue with maybe 75% of PVP areas removed like this.
edit: yes im a pirate whiner, but hey, I enjoy it
While a novell thought, doing this would almost completely wipe out the boundry between lowsec and nosec.
If there was the ability to deploy bubbles in lowsec, you would probably see even less targets in lowsec.
So basically if game mechanics allowed bubbles in lowsec the risk/reward ratio of lowsec would be to low.
With this in mind tiller, what would you do to encourage people to go to lowsec, if bubbles were introduced?.
A medal system for killing outlaws Lvl5 missions in low sec only Regions linked with low sec routes only
Seriously, bubbles are going to far for low sec, just give us back non stacking sensors.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri Great change, it really is. Cant wait to see the effects on tranquility, hope with the other changes it will all balance out between carebears and pirates.
lol, how do you calculate balance between carebears and pirates. What are you talking about ?
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 15:12:26
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart Its fun to se all gatecampers giving themselfs cooler names like "pirate" or "sniper", etc. All you gatecampers are, and ever will be = Loosers. Pathetic half-humans. Every **** real pirate in the game laughs at you, and the rest of us want to have you all removed from the game completely. Every thing that makes your life more miserable is good news to me. In any other game out there you would be called griefers and have your accounts deleted. CCP is having too much patience with you *******s.
FLY YOUR **** SHIPS! Instead of hugging gates you ******* dolts. Whats wrong with you ppl, you have no skills at all?
Ehh ?
So then MR PVP, where do you fight that we don't. Hmhmhmhhm, gates, stations, belts... where else ?
Ahhh, you arrange to all meet up at a safe spot and fight ?, thought as much.
PVP in eve is too limited to remove a whole area, eve is already far to limited in this respect.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/11/2006 15:17:51
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart Its fun to se all gatecampers giving themselfs cooler names like "pirate" or "sniper", etc. All you gatecampers are, and ever will be = Loosers. Pathetic half-humans. Every **** real pirate in the game laughs at you, and the rest of us want to have you all removed from the game completely. Every thing that makes your life more miserable is good news to me. In any other game out there you would be called griefers and have your accounts deleted. CCP is having too much patience with you *******s.
FLY YOUR **** SHIPS! Instead of hugging gates you ******* dolts. Whats wrong with you ppl, you have no skills at all?
I hope they ban you! Try beeing a pirate for 1 month and I can bet you'll change your mind.
PS: this change is a good change cause -EVERYONE GOT INSTAS ANYWAY!
I'd guess atm 90% of low sec traffic does not use instas. I know this to be true as I spend half my waking hours on low sec gates.
ps: all hail the new caldari BS, king sniper with nothing to snipe lol
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.04 15:29:00 -
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Well as lo3d3r said, a large percentage of eves very limited PVP 'arenas' is being removed. Where are all the guys who used to argue eve is a PVP game ?, it seems most people in this thread are just pure traders who dont want to fight.
Who will buy your ships and trade goods if no-one loses anything ?
I'm not gonna post any more...
to sum it up......
WTB hug module II to enhance my flower launchers.
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