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cimqe nyeeu
camdy and Co. inc.
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Posted - 2015.05.10 04:40:53 -
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I know to some this would be a wild theory and to some heresy,but to me its just more theories that we haven't explored yet or are to afraid too.
We know that the Empress Jamyl Sarum has the only dooms day weapon fitted to a battleship which she used against a Elder capital fleet and it was used once before then too.Now many years later we are faced with Drifters which are also said to have a dooms day weapon fitted to their battleships,is there a connection?
We also know that the Amarr soldier was the first to have Sleeper tech which has made them immortal soldiers.What makes me worry is hearing the stories coming out of the royal court that the Empress Jamyl Sarum is not her self.Could she have this Sleeper tech in her head too? and is she in control?
As we know very little about the Drifters,could it out of the question to think they could be apart of the Sleepers or could they be at war with each other? or could it of been them that attacked Jove space? or was that explosion made by the Jove's themselves?
Could Amarr's mobilizing for war be apart of this Reclaiming with the help of the Drifters or is Amarr really going to war against the Drifters?
And where do the Sansha fit into all of this? are they working with the Drifters? or are they planning on reclaiming their own bit of New Eden? |
Maxemillian Caldera
SoleaCorp
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Posted - 2015.05.10 04:53:00 -
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Those are some valid points...it would seem that the Empress and her people do have some sort of upper hand in everything, especially with Sleepers. I may disapprove of the Amarr Empire and the Empress but if she were to be under the control of the Drifters or even working with the Drifters then this situation may have gone from bad to worse. |
Enso Nibbana
Brahman
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Posted - 2015.05.10 05:44:58 -
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What if we're the sleepers? |
Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2015.05.10 06:18:25 -
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Your theories are especially poignant given the reports of the empress evading the public. Keep your guns loaded folks. |
Radical Divinity
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.05.11 01:24:33 -
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Two cultures that clearly possess vast differences may frame the world in such drastically differing perspectives that we may not even be capable of acknowledging, recognizing or understanding what is observed as culture.
Pilots cruise blindly through W-Space harvesting resources, savaging drones, probing and breaking into the structures they find.
Drifters slip into our systems where they begin scanning structures of interest while defending themselves against ships that are clearly..simple in their engineering when contrasted to their own.
What we see as simple drones might instead be, say, an informorph within a ship itself? Why cannot a 'drone' be a capsule? Why not an entire ship? It seems a powerful evolution of technology.
What if our ships seem as if mindless drones to them?
Of course, they could just be returning the favor. |
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.11 02:03:44 -
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Could the "new WH space" and the drifters be the decedents of the people left behind on the other side of the EVE gate after the collapse? New Eden suffered so much because of the amount of support that was needed from the old system that the humans couldn't support themselvs and led to thousands of years of re-building, a dark-age. What if the other side of the gate kept on growing instead of falling into this dark-age like New Eden? From what I understand the people of New Eden mostly just either re-invent or reverse engineer the tech from the past or from more advanced civilizations.
Could the "reclaiming" just be the people of the old system taking back what was lost when the EVE gate collapsed now that they have finally found New Eden again? |
Radical Divinity
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.05.11 02:06:02 -
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Kashadin wrote:Could the "new WH space" and the drifters be the decedents of the people left behind on the other side of the EVE gate after the collapse? New Eden suffered so much because of the amount of support that was needed from the old system that the humans couldn't support themselvs and led to thousands of years of re-building, a dark-age. What if the other side of the gate kept on growing instead of falling into this dark-age like New Eden? From what I understand the people of New Eden mostly just either re-invent or reverse engineer the tech from the past or from more advanced civilizations.
Could the "reclaiming" just be the people of the old system taking back what was lost when the EVE gate collapsed now that they have finally found New Eden again?
Or maybe they caused the collapse of the EVE Gate out of fear from the burgeoning rival civilization? Even a schism between rival enclaves within the Jovian/Terran fore-culture? |
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.11 02:46:56 -
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Radical Divinity wrote:Kashadin wrote:Could the "new WH space" and the drifters be the decedents of the people left behind on the other side of the EVE gate after the collapse? New Eden suffered so much because of the amount of support that was needed from the old system that the humans couldn't support themselvs and led to thousands of years of re-building, a dark-age. What if the other side of the gate kept on growing instead of falling into this dark-age like New Eden? From what I understand the people of New Eden mostly just either re-invent or reverse engineer the tech from the past or from more advanced civilizations.
Could the "reclaiming" just be the people of the old system taking back what was lost when the EVE gate collapsed now that they have finally found New Eden again? Or maybe they caused the collapse of the EVE Gate out of fear from the burgeoning rival civilization? Even a schism between rival enclaves within the Jovian/Terran fore-culture?
Possible, tho it would bring up a lot of questions on what exactly happened when the EVE gate collapsed, and if the Terran fore-culture would have any reason to fear the people that were settling New Eden, or that they would even have the tech to force close the WH. Current lore (AFAIK) has the EVE gate being the first (and until sleepers and Anokis) last WH that man had found at the time and allowed a huge gold rush of sorts for people looking for riches and places to call home (see capsuler reactions to Anokis)
I think that the people who were on the other side were just as surprised as those in New Eden, and kept trying to find the people who were left stranded in New Eden, I mean it wouldn't be hard to think that there were billions (if not trillions) of families that were separated, with enough of those having government connection, and the assumption that all of humanity was under some kinda galaxy-wide government, that would lead them to wanting to find the people that were lost.
This leads to the sleepers, and all of anokis.
What if the sleepers are remains of this search? The government at the time most likely had tons of data on the EVE gate, and with the sudden collapse a drive to find out how to get back to New Eden. This leads them to developing WH generating tech and setting up outpost all across the known, and eventually unknown even to them, space. Fast forward a few hundred years, the search is mostly given up, the EVE gate and the people of New Eden mostly Myth to the common person and far and away from any sort of priority to the heads of the government. The outpost that were made to hunt down New Eden are still used to develop new tech and for research away from the home worlds of humanity, but except for a few automated systems that watch for signs of New Eden, the bases original purpose is all but ignored.
Fast forward a few thousand years, and the government of the old system has been over-turned, and changed so many times that the EVE gate and a Lost people aren't even Myth, the use of WH tech in war has cause a unthinkable amount of damage to humanity, the outpost that were made to look for New Eden have been abandoned except for a few automated defenses and the ships that used living beings as parts of the machinery have been put to sleep. After thousands of years of war a tired humanity finally comes back together and forms a new empire, they leave the outpost alone as a relic of a older age.
Then the amarr super weapon and the burning of new eden (as shown in the "end of the world" chronicle) gives the outpost the thing they needed to lock onto and find New Eden. Old sub-routenes start the calculations needed to target this far-off galaxy, the stations were made to look after themselves, but thousands of years of neglect takes a toll, the WHs that were supposed to reconect humanity are small and weak compaired to the EVE gate that they are based on, the hardware and software is unable to maintain a consitant size and location for the other end of the WHs that they spawn. The news is slow to get to the empire, no one except a few finge scientist pay attention to the frequencies that the outpost transmit on, and no one beleaves them when they start telling people about the activity at these forgotten outpost. Then the capsulers arrive. And in secret, the sansha nation.
Once the government finally looks at the data the scientist are giving them they realize that they may have finally found the first signs of alien life that is advanced as Humanity, while others whisper of a Lost people and a garden thought long lost. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
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Posted - 2015.05.11 08:45:05 -
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Assuming the Terrans really existed (probable in my view, I doubt we are alone out here) it is entirely possible that the Drifters or sleepers could be some remnant of them. Before Jump Drives and wormholes any civilization wanting to get to other star systems would take a cryogenic one way trip and 'sleep' their way there. They could also be described as 'Drifters' on the spaceways between stars.
It would also be entirely possible that any remnants of such a civilization may have lost much of there technical ability. If you believe the lore concerning the EvE gate and Terran forefathers then we most certainly lost nearly all of our technical capability for quite some time. |
Niart Gunn
TURN LEFT The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.11 11:31:51 -
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To be honest, it is extremely unlikely that the Sleepers or the Drifters aremore direct descendants of the Terrans that we are. All evidence currently points towards the Sleepers being an offshoot of the Jovian race, which we know came through the Eve Gate before it's collapse, just like we did. Even more so, what would become the Jove race was actually rather low-tech, and still in cryo-sleep transit to their destination in the Heaven constellation when the Eve Gate collapsed. Personally, I think that the Sleepers probably seperated themselves from the rest of the Jove at some point during the second empire, based on the fact that the names of the Drifter pilots seem to reference the title of Tyrant that has been introduced by Miko Bour during the second empire. Which brings me to my next point. As it stands, there seem to be two possibilities as to who the Drifters actually are. One, that they are either actual Sleepers that have been awakened for some reason, or they are new embodiments of the infomorph lifeforms that have evolved inside the digital environment the Sleepers have suspended themselves in. I would argue that they are actual Sleepers, apparently awakened to deal with the infomorph threat that is growing bigger, based on the aforementioned names and descriptions of Drifter pilots, which stresses their jovian origin (towards which the recent autopsy is pointing as well), and the fact that there have been multiple reports of increased Drifter aggression in Amarr space. It seems unlikely that the Drifters would act that way if they were Infomorphs, as the Amarr Empress is suspected to have been under the influence of infomorphs since her coronation.
As to the doomsday device, it is known that the weapon used by the Amarr Empress against the Minmatar elder fleet was part of an ancient terran device that was retrieved from a wreckage of a science ship of sorts, and it's original purpose is unlikely to have been the destruction of an entire fleet. Now this is not to say that the Drifter doomsday doesn't work in a similar way, maybe even requiring Isogen-5 as well, but if there's more similarities than that, it's more likely that the Drifters reverse engineered Terran technology than them being Terrans themselves, they're just too similar to the Jove we know for that.
It is hard to figure out how the Sansha fit into this, but personally I think they have more or less become pawns of the infomorphs by now, as there has been evidence for repeated clashes between Sansha and Sleeper forces, which might point towards the infomorphs waging war against the actual Sleeper race. |
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Jili Tonari
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.11 12:03:06 -
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Maybe it's just that the Wheel of Life turns and the slavers are about to get 700 years worth of their own medicine?
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Kashadin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.12 05:30:19 -
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From what I have seen most of the evidence for the tech being Jovian comes from the fact that it is more advanced than ours, not necessarily that it says that it is theirs. Also there is no reason that the Jovian and Terran tech didn't evolve along the same lines, extrapolation of existing tech would lead to a lot of the same conclusions as long as they had similar goals in mind, and who knows why the Jove do much of what they do? Maybe they woke up, learned of the EVE gate collapse, and decided to hunt for home like the Terrans were hunting for us. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.12 05:42:47 -
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Kashadin wrote:From what I have seen most of the evidence for the tech being Jovian comes from the fact that it is more advanced than ours, not necessarily that it says that it is theirs. Also there is no reason that the Jovian and Terran tech didn't evolve along the same lines, extrapolation of existing tech would lead to a lot of the same conclusions as long as they had similar goals in mind, and who knows why the Jove do much of what they do? Maybe they woke up, learned of the EVE gate collapse, and decided to hunt for home like the Terrans were hunting for us.
Terrans hunting us? Whatever do you mean with that?
If the Terrans you meant the fabled common homeworld of all humans, what is there to hunt, considering that everything human or vaguely humanoid was Terran?
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Kashadin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.12 05:47:24 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Kashadin wrote:From what I have seen most of the evidence for the tech being Jovian comes from the fact that it is more advanced than ours, not necessarily that it says that it is theirs. Also there is no reason that the Jovian and Terran tech didn't evolve along the same lines, extrapolation of existing tech would lead to a lot of the same conclusions as long as they had similar goals in mind, and who knows why the Jove do much of what they do? Maybe they woke up, learned of the EVE gate collapse, and decided to hunt for home like the Terrans were hunting for us. Terrans hunting us? Whatever do you mean with that? If the Terrans you meant the fabled common homeworld of all humans, what is there to hunt, considering that everything human or vaguely humanoid was Terran?
Hunt as in search for, it's not outside the realms of possibility that the people who were left behind would want to figure out what happened as much as the people in New Eden did on the day the EVE gate collapsed. See my rambling post earlier in the thread for my theory. |
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:25:50 -
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Maxemillian Caldera wrote:Those are some valid points...it would seem that the Empress and her people do have some sort of upper hand in everything, especially with Sleepers. I may disapprove of the Amarr Empire and the Empress but if she were to be under the control of the Drifters or even working with the Drifters then this situation may have gone from bad to worse.
This is heresy. The statement that begun this is heresy.
We always have the upper hand, because it is God's hand. |
cimqe nyeeu
camdy and Co. inc.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:16:27 -
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Enso Nibbana wrote:What if we're the sleepers?
Now that would be interesting but sad to say i have not seen anything to even hint to this.
Somewhere in the archives something was said how the Jove people looked for perfection like using gene therapy and other thing including they where looking to live without the needs of their bodies.
so could the Sleeper's be an early form of this? could the Drifters be the latest version?
From what we know so far the Drifters do seem more interest in Jove towers then us.Though i do not rule out that the Sleepers are our Terran ancestors.
What worries me is that Amarr will have another failure like we did with the Jove's and i would not like to see the Khaind people get dragged into another failed war. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.05.13 05:22:30 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:Maxemillian Caldera wrote:Those are some valid points...it would seem that the Empress and her people do have some sort of upper hand in everything, especially with Sleepers. I may disapprove of the Amarr Empire and the Empress but if she were to be under the control of the Drifters or even working with the Drifters then this situation may have gone from bad to worse. This is heresy. The statement that begun this is heresy. We always have the upper hand, because it is God's hand. Respectfully, Mr. Arcashiri, I think Mr. Caldera is Gallentean. He's probably a heathen like me. He might be able to blaspheme, but I think it's supposed to be hard for a complete nonbeliever to engage in heresy.
Amarrian culture is really hard on heretics, so please let nonbelievers like us make theological mistakes without indirectly calling for something horrible to happen to us? |
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
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Posted - 2015.05.13 10:54:06 -
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Perhaps, perhaps.
Just, don't say anything like this in an Imperial Court, or a Courtyard, or anywhere in the Empire really. |
Jili Tonari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.13 11:29:28 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:Maxemillian Caldera wrote:Those are some valid points...it would seem that the Empress and her people do have some sort of upper hand in everything, especially with Sleepers. I may disapprove of the Amarr Empire and the Empress but if she were to be under the control of the Drifters or even working with the Drifters then this situation may have gone from bad to worse. This is heresy. The statement that begun this is heresy. We always have the upper hand, because it is God's hand. Respectfully, Mr. Arcashiri, I think Mr. Caldera is Gallentean. He's probably a heathen like me. He might be able to blaspheme, but I think it's supposed to be hard for a complete nonbeliever to engage in heresy. Amarrian culture is really hard on heretics, so please let nonbelievers like us make theological mistakes without indirectly calling for something horrible to happen to us?
Ever notice how when you bring up a subject the Amarr don't like they immediately start crying about "blasphemy" and "heresy?" Then they twist the subject into something about their god and religion and the original subject never really gets addressed?
So reset.
Jamyl comes back from the dead with a super-weapon.
The Drifters/Jove come back from the dead with the similar kind of super-weapon.
Drifters are supposed to be heavy in Amarr.
Jamyl gets "sick" and hides from the public.
So maybe she's chummy with the Drifters and they have a plan.
Or maybe she stole the weapon from them and Amarr is finally about to get a reckoning?
...and why "Drifters?" Couldn't people come up with a better name? Total Vherokior rip-off.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:46:32 -
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cimqe nyeeu wrote:I know to some this would be a wild theory and to some heresy,but to me its just more theories that we haven't explored yet or are to afraid too.
We know that the Empress Jamyl Sarum has the only dooms day weapon fitted to a battleship which she used against a Elder capital fleet and it was used once before then too.Now many years later we are faced with Drifters which are also said to have a dooms day weapon fitted to their battleships,is there a connection?
Ma'am, I don't believe it was a Doomsday weapon, as doomsday weapons characterized by tremendous amount of energy that battleships simply can't generate. What Her Majesty has used it was more like very smart trick: according to footages this weapon has caused chain reaction in shields of hostile fleet, causing them to collapse into themselves, damaging and destroying ships.
It wasn't just pure power, it was damn very smart and tricky approach. I haven't seen such things before, I doubt it wasn't neither Drifter, nor Sleeper technology, but something Her Majesty developed herself with her trusted scientists to counter Minmatar ship shielding systems.
That makes Her Majesty very cunning and dangerous opponent to our enemies, and highly valuable ally.
cimqe nyeeu wrote: And where do the Sansha fit into all of this? are they working with the Drifters? or are they planning on reclaiming their own bit of New Eden?
If Sansha would really be working with Drifters, I will change my mind about not engaging Drifters and will call for their immediate and total extremination everywhere, calling them main enemy #2.
After the Federation, of course. |
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