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Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2015.06.18 21:21:16 -
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'Developer Blog'' wrote: Improving playerGÇÖs situational awareness and reaction times in combat.
Objective failed. Takes me 4-5 times as long to read in one part of the grid, and I have logged a significant number of hours in the game since the patch.
'Developer Blog'' wrote: A clearer system for identifying different objects in space.
Objective failed. All the objects look exceptionally similar at a glance.
'Developer Blog'' wrote: Unifying the iconography with the ship tree in ISIS.
The ship tree is a very useful tool, but it's purpose is a reference tool. One does not open a dictionary in time sensitive situations.
'Developer Blog'' wrote: Mea culpa
I'm sorry, but that is just another callous brushing off of the players who have had their entire gameplay ruined by these icon changes.
'Developer Blog'' wrote: WeGÇÖve heard the most benefit from the new icons was gained by those with properly managed overview setups.
Counting the hits, ignoring the misses, confirmation bias, etc. Where is your concern for the people that that have NOT benefited from this change? Thrown under the bus, that's where!
Old Icons, or at least the option. That is what the noise is about, and you seem to have very selective reading of criticism there.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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sally solamen
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:23:06 -
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really getting pissed of at ccp. 1.icons are **** 2. icons are **** 3, ICONS ARE ****...get it now.....?
stop massing with the game ffs,i lost at least 10 of my in game friends last year who i started with in 2008 with all the changes. please stop
sally
ps:if it aint broke dont fix it FFS |
MavnGoose
Valkyrie.
6
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:56:54 -
[1833] - Quote
That dev blog aside from explaining why you changed things, did nothing but patronise us and gave us nothing to look forward to. Good riddance |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1697
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:00:20 -
[1834] - Quote
Personally i got used to new 'COOL ICONS' CCP (c). But i still don't like them. And i don't like new CCP. Reminds me of 2011...
Sent ticket to suspend my account. With remark 'new icons'. See you all later
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
76
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:11:08 -
[1835] - Quote
There are many games out there which I would like to play, but I don't really have the time to learn something new. I don't even have the time to play eve any more, but I still pay religiously for my 4 accounts by direct debit. - Dutifully training skills on pilots I rarely log in, with some level of obedient addiction.
I play eve for 10+ years because its like a really nice comfortable blanket. I know all its funny corners and ruffled edges and those edges seem to match my own, like I am one and part of the same quilt. It is all the more comforting, because that blanket was so barren and hostile when I first encountered it. And I somehow, against the odds made a home here.
The new icons are awful, I don't need to go into detail but just sit on any gate with a cov ops in any system and shout when you see another ship on the gate with you. I would guess most will either not notice or notice late the appearance of a ship as the icons are so similar in your tertiary vision they all look exactly the same.
The genius of the old system was to make the icons different enough, for you to be able to focus on all the other EVE stuff going on, whilst scouting or looking for npcs or whatever people like to do. You could instantly see a change in your tertiary vision, and act. - BTW try the new icons in FW its a whole barrel of crap. - your overview is full of blobs.
What's the risk here? Well from reading these 100 pages of replies it seems people are calling these icons out for what they are - an ill thought out design, unwanted by the general player base.
The risk is, if you change the comfortable blanket too much, people might just decide to buy a new one, one which is much more their cup of tea, much warmer with new microfiber technology & doesn't sting them for 10 pound a month.
DARK
RISING
Stop playing EVE
Start living it
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31924
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:27:00 -
[1836] - Quote
Ships should be square icons because the shape makes the best use of their dimensions. Squares are the most prime & desirable shape for ship icons and they should not be spent on anything else.
You can alter the outer size of the square, and the thickness of its walls. Drones can be an X with a dot or small square in the center, or just a line through through a square... though even that might be too big.
It's easier and faster to distinguish between different types of squares than it is to memorize or relate the triangular polygons you've used for ships. They make things more complicated than they need to be. Way more complicated.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Double Oh Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:29:05 -
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Just unsubed 2 accounts. One of them was a 10yr vet =\...
CCP doesn't listen to what the players want....
I built a corp recruited a douchebag, got robbed and made a new corp. Never to again recruit outsiders or join another corp so I became a lone wolf.
I mined, did missions, and explored for years and waited for the day to be able to build a pos, finally built it just to get war dec'd and blown up for no reason and lost it.
I took the day off from work to destroy and capture my very own customs offices from Interbus when that patch came out that day... I had the poco's for a year or so before I was war dec'd again for no reason and lost those...
Anything that I have tried to accomplish, build, or do in EVE gets destroyed due to the ever changing game mechanics and I've kinda had it...
We all know that it takes months of mining, mission running, skill training, and honest grinding to get anything of value in EVE. What is the reward for months worth of work? Not a damn thing! You can lose that huge amount of hard work in 5 seconds....I have watched for the past 10 yrs all my hard work go down the shitter...
I feel stupid for sticking around for so long hoping that CCP would help the ''lone wolfs'' but this is not that kind of game. It's either you join a mega alliance or get griefed into unsubbing.... Not really a ''sandbox'' if you ask me...
I don't PVP and after my first experience of getting wiped out in a corporation I don't trust anyone, I am just a humble miner/ mission runner manufacturing goods for the hungry war machine trying to make a living... Is that too much to ask?
At one time I had 4 accounts I was paying for.
I will be down to 1 after today.
I will keep my main active just to see if CCP smartens up. =)
Gonna be on the lookout for No Man's Sky and Star Citizen in the meantime and see what they have to offer. |
Destrukter
Mafia Redux Feign Disorder
9
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:30:07 -
[1838] - Quote
Mitch Taylor wrote:The genius of the old system was to make the icons different enough, for you to be able to focus on all the other EVE stuff going on, whilst scouting or looking for npcs or whatever people like to do. You could instantly see a change in your tertiary vision, and act. - BTW try the new icons in FW its a whole barrel of crap. - your overview is full of blobs.
What's the risk here? Well from reading these 100 pages of replies it seems people are calling these icons out for what they are - an ill thought out design, unwanted by the general player base.
The risk is, if you change the comfortable blanket too much, people might just decide to buy a new one, one which is much more their cup of tea, much warmer with new microfiber technology & doesn't sting them for 10 pound a month.
Glad to see someone like Mitch speaking up. Maybe if more, older respected players spoke up, ccp would possibly listen since they obviously haven't been listening so far. |
Rio Bravo
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
54
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:33:36 -
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"We are aware that a sudden and drastic update to some small but very important space symbols may have inherently vaporized several trillions of ISK from the economy. As pilots undocked expecting their familiar foes to be square brackets and crosses they unexpectedly came under attack by chevrons, diamonds, and house-shaped adversaries armed to the teeth. Some were so spooked and disoriented they began to fire on any geometric symbols in their vicinity. Others believed they were being attacked by their own warp bubbles and returned fireGǪ Those that managed to adapt quickly in the early days of the great Iconocalypse of 2015 certainly profited handsomely from the confusion it sowed."
"But in New Eden space is merciless, and change is ever-present."
- CCP Surge
ROFL, yeah about sums it up! At least in the blog they have plans for people to go in and make every single object in space customizable to Papa Bear, Mama Bear, and Baby Bear Red Crosses. That way people can divert much needed brain cells to functions like breathing, blinking, and digestion...
The Icons are great! And I have never been as entertained this much by a forum thread before! lol... Would get rid of some of the congestion around Jita, if all the people crying with guns to their heads threatening CCP they'll pull the trigger, actually do it....
The SIMS is a nice game, it's a Drama Simulator. Many of you seem have a natural talent for it.
GÇ£You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig.-áI dig.GÇ¥
-á- Clint Eastwood, misquote.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31924
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:43:37 -
[1840] - Quote
Is there any chance in Valhalla players can be allowed to use their own icon packs or mod our UI. Please.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Vila eNorvic
51
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Posted - 2015.06.19 01:53:05 -
[1841] - Quote
The last paragraph of that blog is inexcusable - it's a complete ****-take.
In any other company addressing paying customers like that would bring instant dismissal.
Unless, of course, it was sanctioned by the CEO . . . |
Torxx Maxx
Almost Human.
22
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Posted - 2015.06.19 02:29:22 -
[1842] - Quote
The dev blog sealed my three accounts fate, all three are forever gone from my control and I will never play this game again, I'll either sell them or give them away I'm done with CCP's flawed logic.. |
Rio Bravo
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
55
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Posted - 2015.06.19 02:38:55 -
[1843] - Quote
Why would you like someones post who says they are leaving the game? That's kind of weird isn't it?
GÇ£You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig.-áI dig.GÇ¥
-á- Clint Eastwood, misquote.
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Ronarke
Karl XII's Dragoner Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 04:29:05 -
[1844] - Quote
I'm going to buck the system a little bit. I'm not seeing a problem with the new Icons, in fact, when dealing with POS structures, it has made things a bit easier for me.
Then again, I'm a carebear industrialist, not a master pvp artist.
Hmm... Maybe their BOT's don't recognize the new icons. |
Ida Aurlien
Cerberus Federation Industrial Division Gentlemen's.Parlor
42
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Posted - 2015.06.19 05:12:45 -
[1845] - Quote
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bracket-icon-feedback/?_ga=1.183309925.2134134325.1394639977
wow what a response to 90 plus pages of ppl complaining basically just blowing all 90 plus pages off....Well guess that should be expected as took 3 weeks to get nothing
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Circumstantial Evidence
190
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Posted - 2015.06.19 06:46:52 -
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Looking at the post count for this thread, I see a huge number of posts are from about 30 unique characters with 10 or more posts each, that have probably been repeating the same opinion in different words, over and over again. I'm no exception, crossing into the 10-post category with this one ;)
CCP takes more into account than forum feedback to decide what to do, and, sometimes they don't go with what's popular. I'm looking forward to what they come up with, in regards the 90% scaling and NPC icon tweaks proposed in the new dev blog. |
Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
151
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Posted - 2015.06.19 09:54:30 -
[1847] - Quote
From reading the Dev Blog link that was posted by another player not CCP...
Yuppers, Eve is a harsh cruel place. I'll catch up in your precious sandbox later when it won't give migraine triggers from a flat out bad design along with a blatant unwillingness to even give the option to use the old icons while the 'customization' buffet is added. Wondering if, out of spite, CCP will leave out the old ones just to be, well, hardcore PC gamer master race.
Meh, time to go play other MMOs (see who gets my entertainment dollars, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen, or No Man's Sky), and toss some of the account sub costs in a jar towards a PS4. After all, FFVII remake is finally going to happen.
For all the less hostile more constructive feedback given from Sisi, then that Blog of buying your own hype...
Wow. Just. Wow.
Day-um.
Mkay, Icelandic customer service could use some coaching classes, if that's the SoP on your volcanic chunk of rock! Giving the world Bjork doesn't give enough cute credits to pay that Dev Blog debt of 'whiff! miss!'
>Jeven
Full time industrialist, part time pirate, snark cranked to 11 at all times.
Overkill loss magnet. Orphaned drone adopter.
It's not paranoia, it's Eve Online!
Experience: the thing you needed right before you received it.
WTB moar wingy bits!
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Kesta De'Kranken
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.19 10:19:38 -
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Typically arrogant response from CCP. No option to choose. Just a statement that user preference don't matter and that how we ingest information from our screens is up to CCP and not ourselves. "We'll dictate how you play the game and we don't care if you like it." You admit you have a problem with scaling and yet tell us to suffer with it until fixed (with no estimated completion date) and give us no remedy, even for the short term, of coping.
Extremely poor customer service and unbelieveably arrogant attitude.
Hilmar, you said Eve had transitioned from a Knowledge company to a Learning company after Incarana. Looks like you've reverted back to being a Knowledge company and forgotten the lessons of Incarana....or no longer care. |
Neovenator
Eat My Shorts Inc.
28
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Posted - 2015.06.19 10:50:59 -
[1849] - Quote
Quote:Those that managed to adapt quickly in the early days of the great Iconocalypse of 2015 certainly profited handsomely from the confusion it sowed.
But in New Eden space is merciless, and change is ever-present.
CCP's response about "Icongate" reminds me to Apples responses to the customers with "Antennagate" (iPhone 4) and "Bendgate" (iPhone 6). It's like "You are using it wrong. We are right".
Groetjes, Neo.
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Iphigeneia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.06.19 11:09:58 -
[1850] - Quote
Hmm.
Yep, I'm definitely disappointed by this blog. I really don't think it addressed half of the concerns that were brought up. Pity. |
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Sophia Mileghere
Agressive Fraction Killers
27
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Posted - 2015.06.19 11:20:57 -
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Circumstantial Evidence wrote: Looking at the post count for this thread, I see a huge number of posts are from about 30 unique characters with 10 or more posts each, that have probably been repeating the same opinion in different words, over and over again. I'm no exception, crossing into the 10-post category with this one ;) CCP takes more into account than forum feedback to decide what to do, and, sometimes they don't go with what's popular. I'm looking forward to what they come up with, in regards the 90% scaling and NPC icon tweaks proposed in the new dev blog.
Certainly everybody does not write here in the forum. But I'm sure for everyone who writes here, there will be many more who do not even like the icons. So if CCP simply supposes that 90 sides are a minority, there they presumably lie wrong.
Red Deck wrote:Just an idea...
CCP, if you are really interested in knowing what people think about the new icons and how strongly they feel about the issue, why don't you create a poll and link it prominently from the launcher? I recall participating in a poll on new features in EVE published by CCP before...
Trust me when I say there is a lot more pissed people than you can see in this (already monumental) thread...
The poll might be super simple like
Choose one from: A) Love the new icons, keep the old ones buried. B) Mixed bag, no strong feelings either way. C) The new icons don't work for me, roll the whole thing back.
and as an extra yes/no question: D) Make using the old icons an option.
This should provide you with data enough to possibly reconsider your current course of action (or a solid justification to tell all of us in this thread very plainly to shut the **** up because we are clearly just an insignificant, even if vocal minority).
So that can be simply ascertained what the customers want, CCP should really put up the idea with the survey. So a survey gets itself relatively fast. If CCP did this, they would save all one amount of time and frustration. Of course they would have to put the survey fairly and neutrally and they should publish the result. Finally, CCP must implement the results only in the game.
Probably CCP assumes that the new icons should then disappear (or become optional). That's why I think there will be no survey. But hope dies last
CCP, a question I would still have. Because CSM does not speak to us: What exactly has said the CSM to the Icons? |
Sky Marshal
Core Industry. Circle-Of-Two
30
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Posted - 2015.06.19 11:21:13 -
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I am speechless.
Especially the reasons who explains the change, who are all false...
Quote:Improving playerGÇÖs situational awareness and reaction times in combat. We wanted to give players more icon granularity within ship groups and items. And we wanted to increase the skill ceiling of reading the grid at a glance [...] Objective failed, it takes a serious amount of time to analyze the battlefield BECAUSE of the granularity... With the new icons, the players will just depend more than before on the Fleet Commander to do anything, because it is human to go to the easier solution available (target broadcasted, targetting, shoot). It seems that the FCs didn't already have enough work to do...
The funny thing, is that I am pretty sure that I read - to explain the partial removal of fleet warp - that "the goal [...] is to encourage more individual fleet member participation". AKA making them using their brain... and at the same time, you make sure that the players will REFUSE to use their brain because of an overload of information...
Quote:A clearer system for identifying different objects in space. Intended for veterans and newbies alike to be able to better read situations and assess threat levels. A cruiser and a battleship represent wholly different tactical scenarios[...] With the old icons, the cruiser was with a smaller square than the battleship. When was the last time that you login into EVE ?
The "next steps section" are even ludicrous :
Quote:We agree with much of the feedback that the subtle interior fill to indicate NPCs is simply not drastic enough, so weGÇÖre looking at other ways to make NPC brackets more clearly identifiable compared to player-controlled ships.
Another common feedback was the drone icons were still too complex and easily confused with ships. WeGÇÖre also looking at ways to make drones on grid easier to separate from ships at a glance. A damn cross for ALL NPC like before and a damn "X" for ALL drones like before. Is that so hard for you to admit that you are the only ones in the world to have some uber-4K 37" monitors with IPS panel and so able to differenciate the concord BS from the player BS, etc.?
Quote:WeGÇÖve heard the most benefit from the new icons was gained by those with properly managed overview setups. WeGÇÖre looking to add an icon column to the customization window, to make it super simple to understand which items you want the tab to display and how. In short, you seriously think that players will rely on the icons for everything. How cute...
The reality is that a properly overview settings will make the icons useless for decent players, because they will switch between tabs to identify what there is in the field instead of relying of the icons in visual. This will permit to maintain the analysis delay at minimum.
In short, it is the usual "The users don't know what they really want, we know best" moronic policy in action. I guess I found where the idiots who programmed the Start Screen of Windows 8 managed to take refuge after the commercial failure caused by this UI absurdity, they are in CCP now.
We should make a list about everything you will have to rollback in the future, I think you will need it. |
Farrah Abraham
Masters of Mayhem
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 11:35:34 -
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[quote]WeGÇÖve heard the most benefit from the new icons was gained by those with properly managed overview setups. [quote]
Forcing everyone to set all neutrals or unknowns to a different color on overview just to be able to spot them is not a success on your part. It makes it harder to see criminals or other baddies that newbies should have to watch out for. |
Farrah Abraham
Masters of Mayhem
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 11:40:55 -
[1854] - Quote
Btw, are we going to have to burn jita again before ccp takes action?? |
John Lawyer
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2015.06.19 12:22:13 -
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Jeven HouseBenyo wrote: Meh, time to go play other MMOs (see who gets my entertainment dollars, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen, or No Man's Sky), and toss some of the account sub costs in a jar towards a PS4. After all, FFVII remake is finally going to happen.
I still hope there will be remedy for this fail, but meanwhile I've checked some alternatives and found Perpetuum as the most EVE-like game. |
Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
198
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Posted - 2015.06.19 12:38:08 -
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John Lawyer wrote:Jeven HouseBenyo wrote: Meh, time to go play other MMOs (see who gets my entertainment dollars, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen, or No Man's Sky), and toss some of the account sub costs in a jar towards a PS4. After all, FFVII remake is finally going to happen.
I still hope there will be remedy for this fail, but meanwhile I've checked some alternatives and found Perpetuum as the most EVE-like game.
Xm...look nice..I will try it |
Circumstantial Evidence
190
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Posted - 2015.06.19 13:41:17 -
[1857] - Quote
Farrah Abraham wrote:Btw, are we going to have to burn jita again before ccp takes action?? It worked or... at least helped, during the Incarna episode. Hundreds of players motivated enough to shoot the Jita monument 23/7 was quite extraordinary. The guys selling ammo probably thought it was great ;) But, it was everything combined: forum rage, in-game rage, and mass unsubs.
This game change is very different; it doesn't offend people as much as the planned "micro" transactions: fear (unfounded) about "gold ammo" and comparisons to luxury branded items in the real world costing hundreds and thousands, and why shouldn't EVE have items like that, so players could flaunt their wealth... ugh. Changes to overview icons simply don't offend on the same level as what went down during Incarna.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
492
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:38:27 -
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That new dev blog is right up there with Zulu's now fabled $1000 jeans blog.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
38
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:07:15 -
[1859] - Quote
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:.................... Hundreds of players motivated enough to shoot the Jita monument 23/7 was quite extraordinary. The guys selling ammo probably thought it was great ;) But, it was everything combined: forum rage, in-game rage, and mass unsubs.
This game change is very different; it doesn't offend people as much as the planned "micro" transactions: fear (unfounded) about "gold ammo" and comparisons to luxury branded items in the real world costing hundreds and thousands, and why shouldn't EVE have items like that, so players could flaunt their wealth... ugh. Changes to overview icons simply don't offend on the same level as what went down during Incarna.
Guess you you right there, all those "little" frustrations they add with the latest expansions wont lead to some uproar but rather end in a whimper ..... and thats actually tragic for CCP, as they will continue to loose players in a steady trickle instead of having to go through some cleaning storm. |
Rio Bravo
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
56
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:15:03 -
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I think the icons in 'Club Penguin' have been the same since beta. Maybe you'll all be happier waddling around there. They do change backgrounds from time to time though. Players might change their penguins colors or clothes, so you might still have to adapt a bit everytime you log in.
GÇ£You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig.-áI dig.GÇ¥
-á- Clint Eastwood, misquote.
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