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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:06:35 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:More and more I get to wonder if we shouldn't just point out that there's dozens of thousands of players who did not have the issues so many whine about........ did not need hand holding ........ and made it all by themwelves somehow. Makes you wonder what's different to them compared to those who can't make it, doesn't it? Throw a million darts over your shoulder and some of them will hit the board. Doesn't mean it's good game design to throw them that way. It's pretty common knowledge that EVE is terrible at attracting new players, especially ones from other games with no friends already playing. The problem is that for the most part, mechanics won't solve the issue.
Jenn aSide wrote:That being said, "EVE" needs the "RIGHT KINDS" of new player. Players with a sense of adventure, players who aren't looking for some angle to play the 'victim', players who are self starters and self motivators, who have a sense of personal responsibility rather than a sense of false entitlement. And players who are patient and mature rather than the stock immaturity and need for instant gratification of the majority of gamers. Actually, EVE needs many types of new players, not just ones that play your way. You guys wouldn't even have any fun if you didn't have any victims. If EVE were filled with your "right kind" of players, it would be stagnant and boring. Someone needs to fall for the scams, someone needs to go mental when they get blown up, and someone needs to blingfit a rattlesnake with 20 plex thinking that's OK.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11670
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:13:54 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:That being said, "EVE" needs the "RIGHT KINDS" of new player. Players with a sense of adventure, players who aren't looking for some angle to play the 'victim', players who are self starters and self motivators, who have a sense of personal responsibility rather than a sense of false entitlement. And players who are patient and mature rather than the stock immaturity and need for instant gratification of the majority of gamers. Actually, EVE needs many types of new players, not just ones that play your way. You guys wouldn't even have any fun if you didn't have any victims. If EVE were filled with your "right kind" of players, it would be stagnant and boring. Someone needs to fall for the scams, someone needs to go mental when they get blown up, and someone needs to blingfit a rattlesnake with 20 plex thinking that's OK.
Somehow I knew the 'enabler-in-chief' would show up defending the intentionally weak and the voluntary victims lol.
No, EVE doesn't 'need' those types (though they are as free to play as anyone else, sometimes people make bad choices in how to spend their free time and entertainment dollars), the game is made better by having and recruiting GOOD/SMART/NON-Victim players, which forces the people who want to beat them (whether with ship PVP, or a scam, or a gank) to up their game (which they would). And up their game themselves without the mechanical "ganking is too easy" interventions you've been championing for years. |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
747
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:18:46 -
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So somebody asks to be recruited and with nobody immediately responding it means "EVE doesn't want new players"?
Do you want to play a game with somebody that easily disheartened? Who gives up that fast? What happens when you explain a mistake to a guy like that? Or you lose a fight?
If you want a new job, post it on LI and nobody calls you within 30 min, are you then permanently unemployed forever because nobody wants you? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11671
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:22:49 -
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Yarda Black wrote:So somebody asks to be recruited and with nobody immediately responding it means "EVE doesn't want new players"?
Do you want to play a game with somebody that easily disheartened? Who gives up that fast? What happens when you explain a mistake to a guy like that? Or you lose a fight?
If you want a new job, post it on LI and nobody calls you within 30 min, are you then permanently unemployed forever because nobody wants you?
Translation "That guy was no big loss, wasn't meant for EVE anyway".
If i got the translation right, I agree totally. I've known people like that in real life by the way, 1 thing goes wrong and they never do that thing again, and that repeats over many other issue to the point where they end up living in a cabin (read: trailer park) alone mad at the world.
Translation: Avoid Trailer parks.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
625
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:26:30 -
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Jack 'GUN' Morgan wrote:IAMA NOOB Ask Me Anything Name and portrait tell me you're not.
omg i need to redo my picture!
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
747
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:27:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:If i got the translation right
You did.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6773
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:53:51 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Noob retention is one of the hottest topics in Eve and everybody from the carest of carebears to the most prolific of gankers cares about it (they might differ on how to do it )
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:57:39 -
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The state of the NPE is a topic that can be reasonably debated, and there is nothing wrong with having some concern for the newbros.
Having said that:
Suggesting that SP just be handed out like candy for the simple act of creating a character is asinine.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
"Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied."
EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
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Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
500
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Posted - 2015.07.03 18:00:39 -
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Hiply Rustic wrote: Suggesting that SP just be handed out like candy for the simple act of creating a character is asinine.
In your opinion, of course.
Definitely not a fact. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
626
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Posted - 2015.07.03 18:00:47 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:More and more I get to wonder if we shouldn't just point out that there's dozens of thousands of players who did not have the issues so many whine about........ did not need hand holding ........ and made it all by themwelves somehow. Makes you wonder what's different to them compared to those who can't make it, doesn't it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias Fascinating!
But!
Quote:Survivorship bias, or survival bias, is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that "survived" some process and inadvertently overlooking those that did not because of their lack of visibility. You didn't think this through.
Quote:It can also lead to the false belief that the successes in a group have some special property, rather than just coincidence The coincidence-excuse in our context would be based on the idea that everyone has an equal chance, which isn't the case! Just as much as it's not a coincidence that the tens of thousands of us managed to play the same game and actually have no issues with it being challenging, it's not a coincidence that there's far more people who don't manage to do so!
omg i need to redo my picture!
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
296
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Posted - 2015.07.03 18:08:14 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Hiply Rustic wrote: Suggesting that SP just be handed out like candy for the simple act of creating a character is asinine.
In your opinion, of course. Definitely not a fact.
Of course it's my opinion. I don't see much in this thread that isn't an opinion one way or another (other than the anecdotes shared by a couple of recent newbros)...do you?
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
"Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied."
EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
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Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
323
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Posted - 2015.07.03 18:11:51 -
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I was playing from day one, found a corp eventually and died by marmite on my way to wherever they lived, losing my catalyst and belongings.
Next corp was run by a Russian, whom went on vacation for a week and we got awoxed to hell and back, then we left and made our own corp only to be decced by a single man Russian corp who killed us all in a hawk, and got a gila when he couldn't catch a rep frigate.
So yeah. HTFU
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Marsha Mallow
2289
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Posted - 2015.07.03 18:32:18 -
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Elsa Hayes wrote:Today I was lurking in the recruitment chat and found a new guy asking around for a noob friendly corp, after some minutes, probably half an hour, he asked if this game hated new players since seemingly no one wanted to recruit him and all the people responding told him went to tell him to "sit it out " and wait a month or two.....even keeping in mind he was trolling is this for real? This could be resolved by stricter rules in recruitment channel. I agree, it is a hellhole and new players who go in are probably baffled by the way people speak to them. Rookie chat has rules (no caps etc) and is moderated by ISDs. Quite a few vets sit in there (and help channel), but for some reason recruitment chat has been left in it's abysmal state without remark. Most vets avoid it because they know just how awful it is. If it can't be fixed it might as well be removed. In it's current state it's probably hurting recruitment and player retention.
Repost your comments in the NPE feedback thread, and don't get all worked up because people are arguing with you in GD. It's partly to do with the way you've presented your idea, but a lot of people are as concerned as you about the NPE and have reasonable ideas about how to improve it.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1244
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Posted - 2015.07.03 18:44:38 -
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and back in the 800k sp starter character days it was super easy to make a character with a ton of useless skill points (I'm still bitter about starting with missile bombardment 5 instead of something useful like small turret 5, or drones 5). And on top of that there were learning skills. Plus most ships were undesirable due to the tier system, unless you think having lower stats, less slots, and often not so great bonuses was a valid trade for slightly lower cost. the merlin had a turret optimal bonus and 2 turret slots plus 2 missile slots.
Also in those days most corps still didn't want newbs as the number of people that would join up and disappear was high. An SP limit meant that people at least had some intention of sticking with it. plus the whole potential of spying. pretty easy to not make a mistake that gives you up via your API with a brand new character. A bit harder with an established character, unless you know you want to use it as a spy at some point.
Personally I love new players and will happily help them out on the forums. As far as recruiting goes I've never really had to deal with it. Started playing because an RL friend said to and that got me into IDLE. but seeing as IDLE has all gone idle, maybe I should look into that again at some point.
@ChainsawPlankto
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
194
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Posted - 2015.07.03 19:04:14 -
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[Insert Whining of kids that want everything right now]
Yes EVE-Online is a tough game. Yes EVE-Online has a learning curve. Yes EVE-Online is not noob-friendly (it sure is a LOT more noob friendly than way back then!). Yes some people troll and yes some people get butt-hurt.
Want me to hold your hand IRL too?
Plenty of corporations/alliances that recruit new players and teach them a lot. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
628
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Posted - 2015.07.03 19:04:43 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Throw a million darts over your shoulder and some of them will hit the board. Does not apply, because humans are not equal. There is no "random chance" when it comes to people being able to play EVE ONLINE (or in regards to anything else, for that matter). Fascinating how no one speaks it out, while I keep baiting for it.
omg i need to redo my picture!
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6037
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Posted - 2015.07.03 19:06:52 -
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Quote:Forum rules3. Ranting is prohibited.A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. Closed.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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