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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:04:22 -
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In respect for those Amarr who are worried, I have sent the following message to Chamberlain Haromi:
Quote:Chamberlain Haromi,
I hope this message finds you as well as possible, during this time of great strife for the Amarr empire and its people.
I wanted to alert you to an initiative started by my organization, Hydrostatic, to raise a monetary reward for the return of the Empress's remains to the Amarr empire. While I very much wish to have the Empress interred as befits her station, I would be lying if I said I didn't hope that whoever retrieved her remains, or her remains themselves, can tell us something about the Drifter threat, which I am sure is also an issue of interest to you.
I would seek your guidance on what the Empire would like done, should we come into possession of those remains.
Yours in Faith, Phyridean, Producer and Director, Hydrostatic |
Amber Falls
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:22:01 -
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This is horrifying.
Within the span of a single conversation, the discord and confusion over your, supposedly, shared goals has become clear. How can I not interrupt my mourning for this?
The net is tightening as we speak. Do you think our people blind?
Her sacred person will be returned, and no harbour, door, or hull will prevent that.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7561
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:25:55 -
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With all due respect, Falls, you're overstating the situation. Some amount of disagreement in acceptable methods should be expected. The desire of the associated parties is not, however, a source of disagreement.
What's more-- net? Tightening? Are you honestly trying to threaten a group seeking to return the Empress's remains to the Empire?
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Amber Falls
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:35:59 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:With all due respect, Falls, you're overstating the situation. Some amount of disagreement in acceptable methods should be expected. The desire of the associated parties is not, however, a source of disagreement.
What's more-- net? Tightening? Are you honestly trying to threaten a group seeking to return the Empress's remains to the Empire?
In something so sacred, no disagreement is acceptable. You would never have dared to dream of attempting such 'scientific' intrusions to her person in life, but now, somehow that's fine to you?
The very thought of trusting your companions fills me with disgust.
The only person who needs to feel threatened right now, Makoto, is the person who thought such sacrilege would go unnoticed. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1370
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:41:55 -
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Phyridean wrote:Goldfinch, with all due respect in return, I am Ni Kunni and have followed the faith throughout my journeys through Caldari and Gallente space. I want to see the Empress's remains treated with respect as much as you do. If we can successfully find the capsuleer who retrieved her body, I would be happy to directly contact the Sarum family to secure their cooperation. I believe that they, like us, will want her identity verified.
A simple scan of her body and a non-invasive retrieval of her capsuleer implant telemetry data could be vital in countering the Drifter threat, which I believe everyone here, and especially those living in the Empire, will agree is in the Cluster's best interest, but I am willing to concede that point if necessary.
Please excuse the question sir, but I was wondering why insisting on doing that yourselves... and not letting the proper interested do it themselves... ?
Is it a question of trust ? |
Phyridean
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:45:28 -
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I suppose it would be preferable for the currently anonymous and likely unaffiliated capsuleer to retain control of her remains? I have not seen the Empire post a reward for Her return, and money may well be the only language the capsuleer in question speaks.
It also seems unwise for the Empire to put forth a massive fleet such as might be required to invade unaffiliated capsuleer territories in null security space in order to retrieve those remains at the present time, but I am not well-enough connected with the Imperial Navy to be certain of that. |
Phyridean
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:49:06 -
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Lyn, I simply believe that capsuleers are in a better position to negotiate with other capsuleers, as we're quite certain the Empress's remains are currently in empyrean hands. I know many of them might be hesitant to work directly with the Empire or CONCORD, given what happened with Dr. Tukoss.
So we'd like to be a neutral third party in returning the Empress to the Empire. I'm personally also hoping to secure permission for these scans, honestly, because the Drifter threat scares me. |
probag Bear
Xiong Offices
84
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:33:46 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You know, however much it'd be fun to have that corpse as a hood ornament on the Serial Peacemaker, and however much I find this obsession with a capsuleer's former meat puppet rather odd, I'll personally throw in a bit of dosh for this venture.
Given that I doubt it'll be of much actual worth, both in terms of scientific and spiritual matters, it won't be much but I'll throw three billion in the pot should Hydrostatic be able to verify that they are indeed being offered the genuine article.
Granted, it's pocket change, but there's too many people being irrationally obsessed with this corpsesicle as it is. Let's hope this'll succeed and people can start moving on to figuring out where the current meat puppet is and what the Empire is doing with it.
Throwing 7bil into the pot to top this off to a nice 10. PM me if this happens, because I'm not on the forums much. |
Ashterothi
Nova Haven
288
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:56:41 -
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probag Bear wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You know, however much it'd be fun to have that corpse as a hood ornament on the Serial Peacemaker, and however much I find this obsession with a capsuleer's former meat puppet rather odd, I'll personally throw in a bit of dosh for this venture.
Given that I doubt it'll be of much actual worth, both in terms of scientific and spiritual matters, it won't be much but I'll throw three billion in the pot should Hydrostatic be able to verify that they are indeed being offered the genuine article.
Granted, it's pocket change, but there's too many people being irrationally obsessed with this corpsesicle as it is. Let's hope this'll succeed and people can start moving on to figuring out where the current meat puppet is and what the Empire is doing with it. Throwing 7bil into the pot to top this off to a nice 10. PM me if this happens, because I'm not on the forums much.
Just so that everyone is aware, the pot is above 10 billion as it is, but I will add yours to the list of commitments.
Listen to Hydrostatic Podcast for all your Empyrean needs!
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
188
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Posted - 2015.08.25 01:13:33 -
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Please find her body. And bury it with dignity. So I was calm. I will remember you forever. http://i.imgur.com/vxggfWp.jpg P.s This is my first job, do not hurt much.
Killing her, you killed me.
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
202
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Posted - 2015.08.25 01:29:54 -
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The Praetoria, and I'm sure any other faithful, share the concerns stated here for the proper treatment of the Her Highness, Empress Jamyl I's remains.
We also believe that anyone with a shred of dignity or concern for the well-being of the cluster, promptly return her remains to the Amarrian authorities without need for reward. Should the person in possession of the Empress' remains have concerns for their safety, they may also contact me and I will arrange for her safe return and ensure the anonymity of the pilot or corporation involved.
If the person currently in possession of the Empress' remains wish to take up the offer stated here for a reward, I would suggest that this coalition allow Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris to oversee any 'scientific' identifying or scanning of the Empress. We would of course suggest that any attempts to identify the Empress or study her remains be left to Amarrian authorities, however should the scientists insist on identifying the Empress themselves before handing her over, we would ensure that no attempts to interfere with Her Majesty were made.
Remember that anyone who currently holds the Empress' body, what you do at this juncture will show the cluster, and God, what type of person you truly are.
Admiral Ascentior, Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris, Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Jayn
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:08:37 -
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Dont be fooled! These 'researchers' simply wish to have the corpse for their own personal trophy case.
Sell Jamyl's corpse to me for 10 billion and I will place it inside her own personal tomb container with lots of cigarettes, liquor, and counterfeit credits to pay her way into hell.
On special occasions I shall bring her corpse out and do strange things to it. From what I understand, she is a very dirty little girl and needs my guiding hands upon her. I am beginning plans to build a coffin sized microwave so that I can warm her up a bit before those very special occasions. And I will be sure to eject her into space after the fun is over so that she may refreeze and last a lifetime of uplifting excitement. |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
35654
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:10:10 -
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Jayn wrote:Sell Jamyl's corpse to me for 10 billion Fifteen billion here.
In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
421
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:17:49 -
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If you want to compete with Entity, you're going to have to dig a little bit deeper than that. |
Vlad Draculesti
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
48
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:22:24 -
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Tho i would very much like an investigation into her corpse.... I have heard rumors from other capsuleer's that the Drifter's first destroyed her ship,then her capsule then her corpse before they escaped.
Look here for a video feed that confirms 3 shots fired from the Drifters. One for the titan, one for the capsule, one for the corpse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZuDpo7m0M
This fit's in with the Drifter's learning behavior. They knew we recovered a previous corpse for examination and attempted to intervene. This time they went out of their way to prevent us from doing so again.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
35656
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:31:39 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:If you want to compete with Entity, you're going to have to dig a little bit deeper than that. It's cool, not even my money.
I can try to dig deeper into Boss's pockets, but her suit is pretty tight. Could get a lil awkward.
Who's Entity? Some Empire person?
In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p
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Tony-Vagabond Carter
Perkone Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.08.25 04:47:25 -
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You know, from a strictly economic standpoint it never benefits to pay a ransom. Even a ransom on a meat-cicle ( no disrespect intended) is paying more that the actual value of the good. Such an action devalues your chosen token of trade.
Rather than bid on a good that may not even exist, if indeed the Drifters atomized the corpse, it is more valuable to show those that hold the good that doing so incurs a greater cost to them. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1255
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Posted - 2015.08.25 04:50:53 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Who's Entity? Some Empire person?
He's a collector. By and large, if it exists, he probably has one. Including what I believe are the last surviving Armageddon Imperial Edition, Megathron Federate Issue, Raven State Issue, and Tempest Tribal Issue hulls in existence.
Put bluntly, if it comes to a bidding war between Entity and the Amarr Empire.. the Empire may lose.
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Trenmir Bedala
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2015.08.25 05:18:43 -
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You really want find body?
Adopt tactic of gate camp and customs... Scan ship at gates. Surprising what findthat way. |
Drake Arson
Redicuously Awesome Winged Reptiles Arson Industries
24
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Posted - 2015.08.25 07:33:15 -
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Do you Truly Wish for a Neutral party? Then I am your Pilot.
For a Substantial piece of Wealth, I will take hold of the sadly deceased Empress and return her remains directly too the proper Amarrian Authorities.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
288
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Posted - 2015.08.25 07:34:00 -
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Ascentior wrote:The Praetoria, and I'm sure any other faithful, share the concerns stated here for the proper treatment of the Her Highness, Empress Jamyl I's remains.
We also believe that anyone with a shred of dignity or concern for the well-being of the cluster, promptly return her remains to the Amarrian authorities without need for reward. Should the person in possession of the Empress' remains have concerns for their safety, they may also contact me and I will arrange for her safe return and ensure the anonymity of the pilot or corporation involved.
If the person currently in possession of the Empress' remains wish to take up the offer stated here for a reward, I would suggest that this coalition allow Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris to oversee any 'scientific' identifying or scanning of the Empress. We would of course suggest that any attempts to identify the Empress or study her remains be left to Amarrian authorities, however should the scientists insist on identifying the Empress themselves before handing her over, we would ensure that no attempts to interfere with Her Majesty were made.
Remember that anyone who currently holds the Empress' body, what you do at this juncture will show the cluster, and God, what type of person you truly are.
Admiral Ascentior, Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris, Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
I truly appreciate your stance. We are most happy to have PIE representatives overseeing the procedure, I will contact you ASAP in the event that we are contracted the remains. We will use the most respectful ways possible to positively identify the remains (we already have received one false claim), and contract it to Ascentior for proper burial.
What we cannot afford is to allow an entity like SoTC or CONCORD to seize control of the remains. As we learned with the late Tukoss, they do not necessarily have our, or the late Empress', best interests in mind.
Listen to Hydrostatic Podcast for all your Empyrean needs!
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1378
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Posted - 2015.08.25 08:18:19 -
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Phyridean wrote:Lyn, I simply believe that capsuleers are in a better position to negotiate with other capsuleers, as we're quite certain the Empress's remains are currently in empyrean hands. I know many of them might be hesitant to work directly with the Empire or CONCORD, given what happened with Dr. Tukoss.
So we'd like to be a neutral third party in returning the Empress to the Empire. I'm personally also hoping to secure permission for these scans, honestly, because the Drifter threat scares me.
Well yes, I understand the reasoning for the corpse acquisition, but for the scan...?
Arrendis wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Who's Entity? Some Empire person?
He's a collector. By and large, if it exists, he probably has one. Including what I believe are the last surviving Armageddon Imperial Edition, Megathron Federate Issue, Raven State Issue, and Tempest Tribal Issue hulls in existence. Put bluntly, if it comes to a bidding war between Entity and the Amarr Empire.. the Empire may lose.
Respectfully, I do not think you have any real idead of what kind of pocket change capsuleers have in comparison to a stellar high security empire... |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2293
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Posted - 2015.08.25 08:23:33 -
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Drake Arson wrote:Do you Truly Wish for a Neutral party? Then I am your Pilot.
For a Substantial piece of Wealth, I will take hold of the sadly deceased Empress and return her remains directly too the proper Amarrian Authorities.
No Sansha loyalist such as you shall ever be allowed to even look upon Her Holiness's remains.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
"Reclaim our Empire"
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Anslo
Scope Works
32096
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Posted - 2015.08.25 11:19:54 -
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Show what kind or person you are. Hah. Guilt trip to give the body for free. Dumb. IF the body is scanned and verified I will add to the pit too.
And Lyn. Entity can and will outbid any Empire offer. And honestly I would trust Entity more to make good on his offer. The Empire would probably not pay out once they got the corpse just to spite the "sinner."
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2015.08.25 11:45:14 -
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Phyridean wrote:Luna, I understand your concern, and I share your wish that the Empress be treated with respect. I believe the highest respect we can pay her is to figure out more about what it was that killed her, and work to prevent such things from happening in the future to those she sought to protect. With all due respect, Milord, any investigations, scanning and even confirming that the body would belong to Her, should be performed by the Holy Family of the Emperors and nobody else.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1379
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Posted - 2015.08.25 13:27:55 -
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Anslo wrote: And Lyn. Entity can and will outbid any Empire offer. And honestly I would trust Entity more to make good on his offer. The Empire would probably not pay out once they got the corpse just to spite the "sinner."
Err... I highly doubt that. Trillions or even more, that is a drop in a bucket compared to the net product of any empire I think... Not that they seem to even disclose it but well. That seems evident to me. |
Ashterothi
Nova Haven
289
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:31:43 -
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The primary reason for the scans is because to have this much ISK put forward, I owe it to the investors to ensure that the remains we receive is in not counterfeit.
Again I am deeply sorry for any trouble this causes, but it is still better then the alternatives.
If the current holder of her remains is not motivated by wealth, and is loyal to the faith, I encourage them to hand the remains over to Ascentior. However, given that this has not happened yet, we are still committed to finding the correct enticement to motivate the unknown person.
As for if the body is already lost: Hydrostatic specialized in the forefront of better understanding our universe. This is not the first high reward we have offered for things we feel need to happen for the advancement of all. All oh my information shows that the shots from the recording was the capsule, and not the remains. Bottom line is, if the remains exist, and we believe they do, we are committed to doing whatever we can to see the safe return of her holiness to the faithful.
Listen to Hydrostatic Podcast for all your Empyrean needs!
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1281
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Posted - 2015.08.25 16:56:53 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Respectfully, I do not think you have any real idead of what kind of pocket change capsuleers have in comparison to a stellar high security empire...
Respectfully, empires, highsec or otherwise, usually tend to have the vast majority of their assets in the form of assets - and actual spending is budgeted in advance. The idea of simply coming up with a few trillion liquid? Not something a bureaucracy shakes out quickly. And if it did, that's spending not being put into the military (as the Drifters attack), or infrastructure, or education, or any of the myriad financial needs an Empire has.
Overall assets? Of course the Empire has more.
Ability to quickly produce inconceivable sums of ready cash without utterly crippling ongoing operations? My money's on Entity. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1384
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Posted - 2015.08.25 18:44:08 -
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Well you are right in terms of budgets of course...
But we are speaking about hundred of trillions inhabitants. 20 trillions (let's say 10 without the slaves) for the Amarr Empire alone. The amount of money it generates is completely out of order.
No matter what investments and assets there is instead of pure capitals, they will have funds in banks, stored capitals busy making money on regional and international markets. And trillions of isk to my eyes in that context, is pocket change.
Of course, I would be glad to have more numbers on that. I have not witnessed a lot of studies on the matter, which is a shame... |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1291
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Posted - 2015.08.25 21:42:03 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:No matter what investments and assets there is instead of pure capitals, they will have funds in banks, stored capitals busy making money on regional and international markets. And trillions of isk to my eyes in that context, is pocket change.
Which are all privately held funds. The Empire could, of course, ask for donations, but to simple seize them and commandeer the assets would be a bit much, don't you think? If you're looking at the actual government having those funds - again, convince a bureaucracy the size of the Empire to shake the tree in a rapid manner.
Doesn't happen.
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