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Posted - 2015.09.26 08:52:33 -
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Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c The point Chribba makes is a prudent one. Only if you believe that history is lessened by the same prize being given out for the same tournament. In my case I believe this actually enhances EVE History, by making it more relevant and causing players to care more about the Tournament ships. They will still be wildly rare so any losses of them will be worthy of note. The only relevant question is Limited vs Special, and since CCP didn't specifically specify limited at the time in an official communication the default is always special, so CCP are not going 'against their word' in this matter, no matter what people might cry about.
It's almost as if you're making up :logic: to make it sound reasonable, almost... |
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Mocam wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c What died long ago will be nothing like what they put in. All these ships have been revamped to hell and gone - targeting ranges, fittings, power grid, drones, weapons, lows, mids & highs... So it seems the only thing that is bothering people is the reuse of the name. So they simply rename it slightly and then these complaints can go away. Call it golden, silvered... whatever. It won't be the same ship config as before. Not with all the changes that have happened to ships.
If you don't seem to care, why would you want them back? |
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants. Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists.
That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply:
Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?
Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine.
You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds. |
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And you're all using logic a 5 year old would use to try and get that cookie. It's so obvious and hilarious, no one is falling for it. |
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again, many fancy words but all we're hearing is "someone has something I can't have so lets try and make sure he can't have it either".
There is NO LOGIC whatsoever to reuse old special edition ships for a new tournament for the exact same reason that they make new prizes every tournament. Otherwise they could have used the exact same prizes every time but they didn't. You can type :words: all you want but it just makes you look more like a 5 year old that wants his cookie. |
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Divine Entervention wrote:Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.
Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.
Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.
CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are.
How will it be a great addition? |
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:again, many fancy words but all we're hearing is "someone has something I can't have so lets try and make sure he can't have it either".
There is NO LOGIC whatsoever to reuse old special edition ships for a new tournament for the exact same reason that they make new prizes every tournament. Otherwise they could have used the exact same prizes every time but they didn't. You can type :words: all you want but it just makes you look more like a 5 year old that wants his cookie. We've only had one prior instance of this tournament and don't have another NPC driven selection/competition to my knowledge. So effectively they DID use the same prizes for every time this happened. This event sets that precedent and that decision and the reasoning are CCP's not mine. So is the logic now that CCP themselves are collectively a "5 year old that wants his cookie"? What even is this "cookie"?
Nice try, but still just :words: |
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Divine Entervention wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.
Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.
Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.
CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are. How will it be a great addition? My maniacal laughter will be so forceful it will reverberate through all fiber optic lines and manifest itself into everyone's eve clients
Aha, so you're jealous.
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Quote:We've only had one prior instance of this tournament and don't have another NPC driven selection/competition to my knowledge. So effectively they DID use the same prizes for every time this happened.
Backwards logic so stupid it shouldn't need explaining, but hey you asked for it.
Quote:This event sets that precedent and that decision and the reasoning are CCP's not mine. Again backwards logic, you're trying to state that it's fine to use this old ship because there's a precedent, while it's... its own precedent.
Quote:So is the logic now that CCP themselves are collectively a "5 year old that wants his cookie"?
No but nice try for construing it that way.
Quote:What even is this "cookie"?
You wanting something that you can't have (currently), the ship. That is so obvious that it's hilarious you even have to ask.
Hence me not really replying to your :words: because they add nothing as there is no valid reasoning. Nothing but "lets try a barrage of **** and hope something sticks". |
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Quote:No, I never said there was a precedent for reuse, I'm saying they decided to set one. They set one because they felt it reasonable for there to be a consistent prize for this event if CCP Falcon is to be believed.
Your statement was that since other tournaments had different prizes this one should to, my reasoning was that this event was clearly being viewed distinctly for others like the alliance tournament, which is clearly true. where did they state to set one?
Quote: Why not? If the logic is indicative of a certain goal, as your collective dismissal strongly insinuates, wouldn't everyone who uses that logic have the same goal? Even if not, why do differing parties get static assignments of intent and what criteria do you use to determine them?
Again, nice try with :words: but it's not working. It's terrible this even needs explaining. The whiners in this thread want the ship, CCP doesn't want it, one of them just though it'd be ok to re use it. Difference.
Quote:Except I still have no chance of having it so this reasoning fails.
So aside from failings in your own understanding compounded by false assumptions, it sounds like you have no real issue to argue.
How does that change the obvious notion that said cookie is the ship?
Just say it, just be honest: "I want something that I currently can't have, and even if I can't really get it I think it'd be hilarious to introduce it anyway if only to fck over EVE's history and the people who had it once because I'm so jelly as hell. And I'll use any kind of :logic:, barrage of :words: and backwards reasoning to try and get it because I'm SO FRICKING JELLY!".
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Alright, lets make this really simple for you...
Given that, as you yourself stated, you will never own one why are you so invested in this subject and thread that you keep replying in it with the stance that you have? Why would you prefer the current idea over, say, a new/different ship or prize?
I know of only one reason, you're jelly, but I'm sure you can explain to us WHY you have the stance that you have. Oh and please, keep it to one paragraph because your attempt at misdirection through a waterfall of :words: doesn't really work nor get you anywhere, it's just time consuming. |
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So just a lot of words and misdirection which culminate into "err none really. I'm just jelly".
See, that's just so much easier. |
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Glathull wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Glathull wrote:So it's a totally different ship. Based on that dev blog.
I fail to see the problem. I'm curious, where did you get that impression from the blog? I got it from the part where they said the attributes have been changed. These have been rebalanced. They are not the same whined-about-Cee-U-Next-Tuesday ships that are causing so much butthurt. They are different ships with different attributes and similar names. Extremely similar names.
If something is RE balanced and gets CHANGED stats then that proves that it's not new. And your "nono, the names are just ever so slightly the same" is hilarious. Your whole logic is hilarious, because it's terrible logic. |
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Tappits wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim. O no.. it might be unfair to some one... in eve... I hope they some day crash the unique's market as the tears will be glorious. I am sorry but i don't have any empathy for the trillionaires of eve.
Sooo, you're jealous then. |
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I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion. |
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion. Yes. It's called entertainment
No it's mostly just this. |
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