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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:40:56 -
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I been wanting to do a LONG term bond for a while now, since my investors are sad even when I close my bond after 6 months. So with the new XL citadel BPOs came a perfect opportunity. Therefore my proposition is as follows :
Chribba buys 2 citadel BPO maybe 3, depending on number of investors.
Chribba will receive 140b / 210b ISK, as collateral from me. This is to over collateralize the bond (as per standard), and cover and loss of value and ensure my best behavior :)
Chribba will only grant me access to research and make copies of the BPOs.
Investors will receive a fixed 1.5% interest on investments per the 1st of each month, regardless of profits or losses on the investment.
The bond owners, which at this point already includes a few people, but is still open to more. Are those that are going to receive any profits after expenses or cover any losses.
This will be a LONG term bond, with intended end date. Bond start date will be shortly before patch release of XL Citadels BPOs.
Currently we are looking for a feel for many people would be interested in this bond, as well as ideas, comments and maybe more bond owners.
More details below, as per previous bonds
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Angelica Everstar
290
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:42:11 -
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Bond info, size and investors
Bond info & size :
Planned size : max 1.400b Current size : 0b
Investors :
Current : = 0b in total
Repaid : = 0b in total
Reserved : = 0b in total
== 0b in total
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Angelica Everstar
290
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:43:48 -
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Amounts need to be in full billions. Interest will be 15m per billion per each 1st of the month, full period - For easier accounting
In the event of a default, or lack of collateral, investors will be refunded their capital investment and accrued interest to that point it's possible. Any ISK after the liquidation will be taken be Chribba as extra payment. investors will get priority by time of investment, if need be, after Chribba's pay.
No fixed duration. Expected many years. Cash out requests requires 20 days notice.
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Angelica Everstar
290
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:44:45 -
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Old bonds AE01 BOND 100b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=185946 AE02 BOND _50b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=252824 AE03 BOND _25b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=301630 AE04 BOND 150b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=320712 AE05 BOND 500b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=343718 AE06 BOND 200b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=364918 AE07 BOND 1000b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=388677 AE07 BOND 1200b : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=434045
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Angelica Everstar
290
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:45:44 -
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Just in case...
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Vanaunge
Deep Space Whaling Crew
15
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:50:51 -
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15 bill. Please reserve at least that for me |
Angelica Everstar
290
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:52:23 -
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That was quick
Noted - Thanks
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Vanaunge
Deep Space Whaling Crew
15
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:56:05 -
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I will liquidate some stuff, I wanna triple that b4 they come out |
Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
96
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:10:48 -
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Confused about your section regarding collateral and specifically this: "140b / 210b ISK". |
Vanaunge
Deep Space Whaling Crew
15
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:13:59 -
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Chribba will hold the bpo, as well as an additionAL 140/210B from AE as he will NOT have access to the bpo other than to research and copy it. This will over collateralized the bond (as the bpo is still worth 700B) and since it is X2 he is wanting to do. AE is putting 10% of each bpo down as overcollertal |
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Angelica Everstar
291
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:16:38 -
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Precise - is due to not knowing if it's going to be 2 or 3 BPOs - and the numbers are 10% of those
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
96
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:28:16 -
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Gotcha, thanks you two for the clarification. Reserve 50b for me please. |
Angelica Everstar
291
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:29:13 -
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Noted
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Nightjester
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
4
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:40:22 -
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Will Chribba be responsible if the BPO's are destroyed in transit? who would be liable to pay out investors if this happened ?
If Chribba takes full responsibility for the BPO and will pay out the full investment no matter what happens to the BPO's then put me down for 100B isk. |
Angelica Everstar
291
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:53:43 -
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I see no reason to move it, and if needed I would only accept it if done the way described or similar protection would be offered. Otherwise I would rather cancel the bond, than run that sort of risk.
We will know before they are released thankfully :D
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Lisa Vallino
Simian Advanced Inc.
17
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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:12:14 -
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Lisa has been happy with the investments and steady returns AE has provided. I currently see no reason not to participate depending on Chribba and future information being provided from devs/AE. Tentatively, I can contribute 100-150B to the enterprise. I may wish for a BP copy in-lieu of interest payments. |
Krevnos
Back Door Burglars The Otherworld
13
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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:23:15 -
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An interesting concept, Angelica! I am satisfied with the collateral being proposed and measures being taken to ensure safe keeping of the items.
I do have a concern, however, regarding the proposed return on investment. Since the copy time and consumption of blueprints can not be accurately assessed at this stage, how sure can you be of being capable of paying investors the proposed 1.5%/month stipend?
Additionally, as the facility to engage in the proposed activity is not currently available, may I presume that commitment of capital to the bond will be postponed until close to the time of the Citadel release? |
Angelica Everstar
292
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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:51:30 -
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This is all depending on : Chribba wanting to take part. Numbers still show profit after the details are written in STONE. Enough investors. an all the details can be agreed on by all involved.
The bond owner are the ones running the risk. I'm not investing all my ISK into this, so I can do my other trade ventures still, but also I can cover interest for a least a few months. This have been the standard for all my bonds.
Exit plan is to keep covering interest, until BPOs can be sold, and investors are returned their investments in full. And if need be, use my 10% collateral to fill in any gab.
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Krevnos
Back Door Burglars The Otherworld
14
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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:58:15 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:This is all depending on : Chribba wanting to take part. Numbers still show profit after the details are written in STONE. Enough investors. an all the details can be agreed on by all involved.
The bond owner are the ones running the risk. I'm not investing all my ISK into this, so I can do my other trade ventures still, but also I can cover interest for a least a few months. This have been the standard for all my bonds.
Exit plan is to keep covering interest, until BPOs can be sold, and investors are returned their investments in full. And if need be, use my 10% collateral to fill in any gab.
Thank you, Angelica. On the basis that profitability is indicated once the full details are divulged regarding these blueprints and Chribba is interested in taking part in this venture, I will commit to investing 200B with the bond holders. |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
352
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Posted - 2015.10.28 02:13:15 -
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"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
338
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Posted - 2015.10.28 08:21:07 -
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If my current investment with BadBobby is completed by that time, please reserve 15b for me, I believe bobby wants to have this completed within 1 month so it depends when they are to be released. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1263
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Posted - 2015.10.28 08:51:45 -
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Xylem Viliana wrote:If my current investment with BadBobby is completed by that time, please reserve 15b for me, I believe bobby wants to have this completed within 1 month so it depends when they are to be released. Citadels are scheduled for Spring 2016. So you will certainly have your isk back by then. |
Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
338
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Posted - 2015.10.28 09:04:24 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Xylem Viliana wrote:If my current investment with BadBobby is completed by that time, please reserve 15b for me, I believe bobby wants to have this completed within 1 month so it depends when they are to be released. Citadels are scheduled for Spring 2016. So you will certainly have your isk back by then.
ah well that answers that. I dont pay attention to these things till they are closer normally, mostly cause I will forget and secondly cause I dont have time to do my own market speculation |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5439
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Posted - 2015.10.28 11:32:55 -
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I am potentially interested in a risk carrying position (bond holder). If I do go with it, it will be of the order 20 billion.
I need to theorycraft alternatives (outright purchases of more than one M BPO, going shares in a single L).
When you feel you need an answer within 14 days, EVEmail me.
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Ulisse Kromm
Italian Gentlemen's Society The Volition Cult
23
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Posted - 2015.10.28 11:33:29 -
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Consider me in for 50 Bil ty
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3243
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Posted - 2015.10.28 14:54:56 -
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If i understood your post in your latest bond right you repaid me the 450 B investment.As i posted in that thread i am a bit confused about the 'requested repayment' part as i did not request that.But then it probably also isn't a coincidence that this thread came up at the same time ...coughcough .
However , if i understood it right and you did repay me then i will re-invest the 450 B here and i'll go in as a bond holder , aka the ' i'm ****** and don't get nothing shares '.Might up it to 500 B round but have to see what the wallet says as i have not logged on for quite some time and even browsing the forums is becoming something rare wich also is the reason i'll just throw it all as a bond holder.
So put me down for 450 B bond holder and i'll be able to tell you in a few days if i round it up to 500 .Can't login at work and i'll only be home for a few hours of sleep tonight and tomorrow night so i'll let you know in the weekend.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1263
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Posted - 2015.10.28 15:38:48 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:The bond owners, which at this point already includes a few people, but is still open to more. Could we have a list of names?
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3243
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Posted - 2015.10.28 15:58:38 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:The bond owners, which at this point already includes a few people, but is still open to more. Could we have a list of names?
If you've got tough spots to fill allways make it appear as if those spots are allmost sold out .. .
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virm pasuul
FRISKY BUSINESS. No Handlebars.
337
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Posted - 2015.10.28 16:14:19 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:I been wanting to do a LONG term bond for a while now, since my investors are sad even when I close my bond after 6 months. So with the new XL citadel BPOs came a perfect opportunity. Therefore my proposition is as follows :
Chribba buys 2 citadel BPO maybe 3, depending on number of investors.
Chribba will receive 140b / 210b ISK, as collateral from me. This is to over collateralize the bond (as per standard), and cover and loss of value and ensure my best behavior :)
I think you might be missing a zero on the right hand end of the collateral(s) ? If not enjoy a most profitable default :) |
xalongskam
Star Holdings
14
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Posted - 2015.10.28 16:16:25 -
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I am also interested in investing at least 100B (maybe more, depending on how my wallet looks when the bond starts) at 1.5% per month. I do not want to be a bond holder at this point though, only an investor. |
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
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Posted - 2015.10.28 16:27:09 -
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I wondered how long it'd be before there were competing offer styles on this board.
Interested Party (TM)
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Yong Shin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2015.10.28 17:40:32 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:I been wanting to do a LONG term bond for a while now, since my investors are sad even when I close my bond after 6 months. So with the new XL citadel BPOs came a perfect opportunity. Therefore my proposition is as follows :
Chribba buys 2 citadel BPO maybe 3, depending on number of investors.
Chribba will receive 140b / 210b ISK, as collateral from me. This is to over collateralize the bond (as per standard), and cover and loss of value and ensure my best behavior :)
I think you might be missing a zero on the right hand end of the collateral(s) ? If not enjoy a most profitable default :)
Not quite. The 140B/210B is solely for over-collateral, as is the standard (collateral must be higher value than the market value). Chribba buys and holds the BPOs, so he's actually holding the real collateral. The 140/210B is just 10% on top of that. |
virm pasuul
FRISKY BUSINESS. No Handlebars.
337
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Posted - 2015.10.28 17:47:46 -
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fair enough, that makes sense thanks |
Historically Unstable
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.10.28 21:15:57 -
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Interested in a 5-10bil investment. Will keep monitoring this thread daily. |
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
72
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Posted - 2015.10.29 00:15:36 -
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If you look to the copy history and its prices regarding titan bpos. What are your expectations about these copies? Im talking here about initial supply and demand. How many alliances or ultra rich investment solo'ists / groups would you think, also will jump in on this? And in what effect would you estimate your ROI on that? |
Droodid
Antec Enterprises
59
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Posted - 2015.10.29 00:17:30 -
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Pencil me in for around 150-200b depending on start date. |
Angelica Everstar
298
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Posted - 2015.10.29 06:15:00 -
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As always nice to see support :)
Remember that pledges and sizes will be used to determine who gets in the end, as per last time.
There are still many details that needs to be sorted out, but we are working on it :)
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
556
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Posted - 2015.10.29 16:04:35 -
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I'm still a poor but I would like to put 5B in if the timing works out.
- Than |
Illusive Man Cerberas
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.10.29 20:14:43 -
[39] - Quote
This is very interesting, as of right now you can put me down for 60b. This is due to change to be higher by the time the bond actually starts. |
Marcion Cravik
Phoibe Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2015.10.29 20:28:06 -
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I'd like to reserve 10b if possible. |
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi Behold.
12
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Posted - 2015.10.29 22:18:40 -
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Might be interested in taking a chunk of this one if I sell assets I'm sitting on.
WTS Augmented drones lol |
Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
77
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Posted - 2015.10.30 09:06:43 -
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Would probably be interested in 40b
If I understood correctly, you are offering either no risk fixed return, or profit share (with risk attached)? If so I may be interested in the latter but assume we would be able to get a handle on some potential numbers before commencement. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3243
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Posted - 2015.10.30 11:21:23 -
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Magnu Stormhawk wrote:Would probably be interested in 40b
If I understood correctly, you are offering either no risk fixed return, or profit share (with risk attached)? If so I may be interested in the latter but assume we would be able to get a handle on some potential numbers before commencement.
As i understood it's currently just so that AE get's an idea of what numbers he can work with as the details are not outlined yet.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:02:16 -
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Krevnos wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:This is all depending on : Chribba wanting to take part. Numbers still show profit after the details are written in STONE. Enough investors. an all the details can be agreed on by all involved.
The bond owner are the ones running the risk. I'm not investing all my ISK into this, so I can do my other trade ventures still, but also I can cover interest for a least a few months. This have been the standard for all my bonds.
Exit plan is to keep covering interest, until BPOs can be sold, and investors are returned their investments in full. And if need be, use my 10% collateral to fill in any gab. Thank you, Angelica. On the basis that profitability is indicated once the full details are divulged regarding these blueprints and Chribba is interested in taking part in this venture, I will commit to investing 200B with the bond holders.
I don't understand why profitability of the BPO is relevant to this structure.
Interested Party (TM)
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1263
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:51:01 -
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Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:I don't understand why profitability of the BPO is relevant to this structure. The longevity of the investment will be somewhat predicated on the BPO being profitable. |
Angelica Everstar
298
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Posted - 2015.10.30 22:08:24 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:The bond owners, which at this point already includes a few people, but is still open to more. Could we have a list of names?
Angelica Everstar + 2 other cabal members. Bad Bobby Dethmourne Silvermane Sabriz Adoudel (maybe)
As of now, I don't think we need more. Now we "just" need to sort out the details and plan.
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Lando Antilles
18
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Posted - 2015.10.30 23:21:30 -
[47] - Quote
I'd like to reserve 100 bill.
Looking forward to it. |
merlin westfield
Asphalt Inc
0
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Posted - 2015.10.31 09:45:02 -
[48] - Quote
can I reserve 20 b please |
Ineed Aname
Electronic Frontier N.A.
1
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Posted - 2015.10.31 10:35:43 -
[49] - Quote
I would be to throw in 30 billion if this pans out. |
Tillsbury Billingtons
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 01:37:05 -
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Seems interesting. I can risk a 5B flutter. |
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Patty Stacker
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 09:09:00 -
[51] - Quote
I'm a bit late to the party but if there is still availability put me down for 40b. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
321
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Posted - 2015.11.03 23:27:16 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:
Angelica Everstar + 2 other cabal members.
Which alts will you chose? i understand the need to have voting power, so why involve anyone else? it would probs be better if you handled it yourself.
Angelica Everstar wrote: Bad Bobby
A great choice, except for the whole Titans 4 u thing.... put him behind the wheel of this and i'm sure it will go places.... (into his wallet)
Angelica Everstar wrote: Dethmourne Silvermane
i understand offering this guy a spot here make sense as he posted a thread also, but you may want to check into this guy. the word flake comes to mind, as in has fallen asleep on investments and had horrible judgment investing in scams for days. i wouldn't trust him with a coffee order, let alone a complex investment scam.
Angelica Everstar wrote: Sabriz Adoudel (maybe)
Why would you trust a code guy with the location and intel of a 2.1 t project?
Naive investors, you can do better than 1.5%, in 10 minutes of trading. I get the whole i want to invest and make friends roleplay but this one is going to head south if its structured to involve any of these clowns.
not worthy of 20b |
Aker Krane
OMEGADYNE LABS Rising Darkness
23
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Posted - 2015.11.04 15:22:46 -
[53] - Quote
Was wondering what you think the ROI on these things are going to be.
Given the first Dev Blog on this, the copy time is ridiculous and makes these things a losing proposition on a fairly massive scale.
I know they are re-looking at the copy time, but I am curious to know at what point you would NOT go forward with this investment.
Lastly, If you had the available funds to buy one yourself (we know you do), why would you just not do that? I get that you might have a liquidity issue in the short term, but is it more than that? Is it that there is too much risk for an individual investor, or that the ROI would likely not justify that level of commitment? Or both?
AK
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Cyber Mana
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.15 09:57:17 -
[54] - Quote
I would like to reserve 50bill also if possible:) |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5510
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Posted - 2015.11.15 12:25:19 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel (maybe)
Why would you trust a code guy with the location and intel of a 2.1 t project? Naive investors, you can do better than 1.5%, in 10 minutes of trading. I get the whole i want to invest and make friends roleplay but this one is going to head south if its structured to involve any of these clowns. not worthy of 20b
I'm sure Angelica Everstar is more than capable of taking the necessary opsec measures to deal with people he doesn't trust. (Edit: I just assume he doesn't trust me; if he does trust me my confidence in his judgement has just gone down)
The proposed structure of the bond should leave three risks to the principal:
1) Intentional default by Chribba
2) A combination of negligence from Chribba and an intentional default by Grendell.
3) Gross incompetence from Angelica Everstar
Those risks are non-zero but comfortably low for me.
That said anyone who doesn't trust the structure of the deal should not invest in any form.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
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Pelle Wittewoa
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2015.11.15 16:21:59 -
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Im reading no expectations. Are you going to sell me0 prints, or are you going to research ect ect, how many do you expect to sell when? What are the copy lengths? When do you think it is being paided back in full, based on selling and copy lengths expectations? How can you make a business plan without having this info straighten out? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5517
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:10:01 -
[57] - Quote
Pelle Wittewoa wrote:Im reading no expectations. Are you going to sell me0 prints, or are you going to research ect ect, how many do you expect to sell when? What are the copy lengths? When do you think it is being paided back in full, based on selling and copy lengths expectations? How can you make a business plan without having this info straighten out?
That information cannot be decided until the copy times and ME research tier are finalized by CCP.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
339
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:52:52 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:tl:dr
Theres no real reason to involve anyone else but OP & a third party.
involving you & bobby is a liability. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5517
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:45:55 -
[59] - Quote
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:tl:dr Theres no real reason to involve anyone else but OP & a third party. involving you & bobby is a liability.
You don't understand what is going on here.
OP is offering two different investments here.
Option 1: You personally loan the OP ISK at a rate of 1.5% per month (which the OP will invest at his own risk in Option 2)
OR
Option 2: You become part owner in one of the Citadel BPOs, which will be under the operational control of Chribba. Before entering into this consortium, you would decide whether or not you are happy with OP's proposed control structure for the assets.
Both would be structured in a manner where the theft risk was concentrated in the hands of Chribba.
Option 2 interests me, although whether or not I actually pull the trigger on it is a decision I have not yet made. I am leaning toward forming my own smaller consortium and buying the 70b BPO for the large citadel instead.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
340
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:19:08 -
[60] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:tl:dr Theres no real reason to involve anyone else but OP & a third party. involving you & bobby is a liability. You don't understand what is going on here. OP is offering two different investments here. Option 1: You personally loan the OP ISK at a rate of 1.5% per month (which the OP will invest at his own risk in Option 2) OR Option 2: You become part owner in one of the Citadel BPOs, which will be under the operational control of Chribba. Before entering into this consortium, you would decide whether or not you are happy with OP's proposed control structure for the assets. Both would be structured in a manner where the theft risk was concentrated in the hands of Chribba. Option 2 interests me, although whether or not I actually pull the trigger on it is a decision I have not yet made. I am leaning toward forming my own smaller consortium and buying the 70b BPO for the large citadel instead.
Regardless of structure, involving questionable players/alliances will not do the OP any favors, it will leave a bad taste in the mouth of any option 1 investor.
Questionable players implying you & your gank bear alliance, Bobby - stealing titan BPOs in T4U & silvermoon - known flake. regardless of structure, OP will be tarnished by your reputations simply by association. get it now? |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5517
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Posted - 2015.11.16 03:11:25 -
[61] - Quote
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Regardless of structure, involving questionable players/alliances will not do the OP any favors, it will leave a bad taste in the mouth of any option 1 investor.
Questionable players implying you & your gank bear alliance, Bobby - stealing titan BPOs in T4U & silvermoon - known flake. regardless of structure, OP will be tarnished by your reputations simply by association. get it now?
This is EVE, everyone is questionable. Even Chribba, who could burn AE for trillions on this if he wanted to.
It's about controlling risk.
If the OP is stupid enough to give me or Bobby the opportunity to steal everything we will. AE has demonstrated that he's not that stupid.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
340
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Posted - 2015.11.16 03:32:10 -
[62] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:AE has demonstrated that he's not that stupid.
No doubt, perhaps a more fitting word is naive/using bad judgement.
coz guys like me will be in the thread & every other thread after, spoiling his rep by merging it with bobby & to a less extent, you & your gank bears.
its a 200% better proposal without Your, bobby & silvermoon involvement period. as reputation is not in the scope of anybodies questions. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5517
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Posted - 2015.11.16 07:01:52 -
[63] - Quote
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:AE has demonstrated that he's not that stupid. No doubt, perhaps a more fitting word is naive/using bad judgement. coz guys like me will be in the thread & every other thread after, spoiling his rep by merging it with bobby & to a less extent, you & your gank bears. its a 200% better proposal without Your, bobby & silvermoon involvement period. as reputation is not in the scope of anybodies questions.
Your vendetta against CODE and by extension me is well known, and easily shot down as an objection.
If you want to be taken seriously, publicly or privately (to AE) disclose a means by which myself or Bad Bobby could rob the consortium.
If you can convince AE that my participation and/or BB's participation would pose a credible theft risk - i.e. means and motive (I'll declare outright the motive is there; I'm stealing this if I can), so you only need means - then he will keep us out of the consortium.
If not - stop shiptoasting.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
340
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Posted - 2015.11.16 09:05:35 -
[64] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Your vendetta against CODE and by extension me is well known, and easily shot down as an objection.
i wonder why you only chose to respond now? 2015-11-03 23:27:16 UTC some 13 days later? its more interesting when theres an opponent dont you think? when everyone is on the same side its boring.
im giving this a meta game analysis, hence the awesome corp.
objections only lead to rebuttals, i only post in threads where i have an opinion. dont think you are special enough to think i would single you out. im currently explring the world of hisec mercbears to be honest.
Sabriz Adoudel wrote: If you want to be taken seriously, publicly or privately (to AE) disclose a means by which myself or Bad Bobby could rob the consortium.
not interested in being taken seriously by anyone. im merely stating the well known fact, perception is everything, and guilt by association may not be a thing a guy like op wants to be apart of, coz it gets remembered. my objection wasnt to hurt the op, it was to help out. i wonder what the pre bids would have been like if bobby or you weren't mentioned.
Sabriz Adoudel wrote: If you can convince AE that my participation and/or BB's participation would pose a credible theft risk - i.e. means and motive (I'll declare outright the motive is there; I'm stealing this if I can), so you only need means - then he will keep us out of the consortium.
so here it is, you believe the system is infallible when the structure isnt firm enough to analyze is it? ccp can change things in between now and then. id like it confirmed prior to figuring out how to scam him out of it.
Sabriz Adoudel wrote: If not - stop shiptoasting.
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Angelica Everstar
299
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:51:14 -
[65] - Quote
Update - This project is currently on standby (surprise :D)
This is mainly due the lack of information currently. As soon as the data is available to make a informed decision on, the project status will be updated.
FYI : In the meantime I will be running another of my bonds
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
370
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Posted - 2016.02.01 14:07:19 -
[66] - Quote
Lets keep this thread open and not locked... lets post about that. :P.
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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morion
Lighting Build
61
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Posted - 2016.02.02 01:10:32 -
[67] - Quote
Parody |
Brometheus Down
Crystal Ballers
6
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Posted - 2016.02.03 19:15:33 -
[68] - Quote
I doubt it's still possible as I never see your posts fast enough. But in the off chance that it is, please put me down for 100B
If not possible, best of luck o7 |
EvePick3
Crepuscule Warchai
0
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Posted - 2016.02.03 20:58:34 -
[69] - Quote
Reserve 10 b for me please ( I'll edit later if I can grab more ) - Rollover from Bond # 9 if possible |
Billy Hix
Team JK
186
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Posted - 2016.02.27 20:41:35 -
[70] - Quote
Please put me down for 20b. Depending when I need to hand over the cash I could offer more. |
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Dhara an Sidhe
Wraith International Trading
0
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Posted - 2016.02.28 13:31:50 -
[71] - Quote
I am relatively new to investing in eve and am hoping to clarify my understanding of how this works.
1. The investors offer up an amount of ISK . 2. They are paid 1.5% of that investment monthly regardless of the ventures actual profits. 3. The bond runs for a set period of time. 4. At the end of the bond period the initial investment is returned to the investors. 5. If the bond defaults the investors are returned their capital if possible.
Is my understanding of the process accurate? I f so please put me down for 5b. I will increase this if I can liquidate enough assets. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
786
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Posted - 2016.02.29 04:50:55 -
[72] - Quote
Dhara an Sidhe wrote:I am relatively new to investing in eve and am hoping to clarify my understanding of how this works.
1. The investors offer up an amount of ISK . 2. They are paid 1.5% of that investment monthly regardless of the ventures actual profits. 3. The bond runs for a set period of time. 4. At the end of the bond period the initial investment is returned to the investors. 5. If the bond defaults the investors are returned their capital if possible.
Is my understanding of the process accurate? I f so please put me down for 5b. I will increase this if I can liquidate enough assets.
Lurk moar
please
lurk moar b4 investing
OP was considering letting this douche in as a part of the "team"
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Some advice from a fellow scammer - don't go for fifty billion until you have serious credibility built up.
I think you might have got there with five or eight with this setup.
the more u learn, the more u earn.
@JerryTPepridge
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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
375
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Posted - 2016.04.23 15:20:32 -
[73] - Quote
Seems you need to up the bond, the BPO will be 500b more expensive; source
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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Angelica Everstar
318
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Posted - 2016.04.23 20:04:38 -
[74] - Quote
For right now, I will go to the closing party of FanFest, and party like there is no tmr. Then in the coming days I have a though look at this, and make a final decision.
§ Current Bond AE09 1 Trillion // Totaling Gëê 4,5 Trillon ISK
¦Æ Any bad spelling or grammar, is free of charge
¢ Pls help support PLEX4GOOD
@EveEntrepreneur
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flakeys
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3254
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Posted - 2016.04.23 22:39:46 -
[75] - Quote
Angelica Everstar wrote:For right now, I will go to the closing party of FanFest, and party like there is no tmr. Then in the coming days I have a though look at this, and make a final decision.
And pay your interest on the other bond .... cough.... ;p
Fanfest was a blast i assume.Too bad i didn't get to see the Alliance panel though i understood it's coming up on youtube one of the next days.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Angelica Everstar
318
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Posted - 2016.04.24 01:47:46 -
[76] - Quote
I'm SO SORRY - completely forgot in the heat of FanFest - It has truly been a blast. As soon as I wake tmr, and am sober enough. I will do the payments.
§ Current Bond AE09 1 Trillion // Totaling Gëê 4,5 Trillon ISK
¦Æ Any bad spelling or grammar, is free of charge
¢ Pls help support PLEX4GOOD
@EveEntrepreneur
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Nightjester
Royal Black Watch Highlanders White Legion.
4
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Posted - 2016.04.24 16:02:50 -
[77] - Quote
Angelica Everstar would it be possible to get a updated list of all investors and the amount they are willing to invest.
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Angelica Everstar
320
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Posted - 2016.04.25 08:38:46 -
[78] - Quote
@Nightjester - Very much so, as it's time to get the final list.
So all investors please confirm the amounts you wish to invest.
§ Current Bond AE09 1 Trillion // Totaling Gëê 4,5 Trillon ISK
¦Æ Any bad spelling or grammar, is free of charge
¢ Pls help support PLEX4GOOD
@EveEntrepreneur
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flakeys
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3254
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Posted - 2016.04.25 10:53:24 -
[79] - Quote
If your other bond closes then i am still willing to put in the 500b i mentioned earlier in this thread.However since i am playing again for the last months , even though i'm not super active , i am going for the fixed 1.5% secure rate.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ulisse Kromm
Italian Gentlemen's Society The Volition Cult
24
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Posted - 2016.04.25 13:14:46 -
[80] - Quote
I'm in with 120 billion investor position 1.5% long time 100% collateral (not risky position) ...... waiting your go to send money |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5799
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Posted - 2016.04.25 13:54:37 -
[81] - Quote
AE - Despite my previous interest in this offering, I'm out. Sorry, got other plans for my ISK.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
368
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Posted - 2016.04.25 14:59:54 -
[82] - Quote
depending when this starts I would be willing to reinvest the 10b that you repayed from the currently running bond on the 19th of march, potentially increasing the amount to 20b but again depends when this new one will begin. |
flakeys
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3254
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Posted - 2016.04.26 21:08:09 -
[83] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6457975
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Angelica Everstar
320
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Posted - 2016.04.26 21:46:23 -
[84] - Quote
I think at this point, it's better to wait to tomorrow after the patch to see how it really looks :)
§ Current Bond AE09 1 Trillion // Totaling Gëê 4,5 Trillon ISK
¦Æ Any bad spelling or grammar, is free of charge
¢ Pls help support PLEX4GOOD
@EveEntrepreneur
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Angelica Everstar
320
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Posted - 2016.05.03 14:18:14 -
[85] - Quote
So now that I have moved house, and finally had some time to look though the numbers and stats. I still believe it will not be worth buying 1 BPO. There is not enough ROI compared with risk.
So I will close this proposal, and apologize for any inconvience
§ Current Bond AE09 1 Trillion // Totaling Gëê 4,5 Trillon ISK
¦Æ Any bad spelling or grammar, is free of charge
¢ Pls help support PLEX4GOOD
@EveEntrepreneur
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Krevnos
Back Door Burglars The Otherworld
155
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Posted - 2016.05.03 14:32:49 -
[86] - Quote
Angelica Everstar wrote:So now that I have moved house, and finally had some time to look though the numbers and stats. I still believe it will not be worth buying 1 BPO. There is not enough ROI compared with risk.
So I will close this proposal, and apologize for any inconvience
Unfortunately I must concur. It is very difficult to assess the target market and potential income. In addition the research costs of such a BPO will be hefty in both ISK and time.
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Angelica Everstar
320
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Posted - 2016.05.03 14:36:22 -
[87] - Quote
So true. Also does not help, that I already know of at least two other XL BPOs being copied as we "speak".
§ Current Bond AE09 1 Trillion // Totaling Gëê 4,5 Trillon ISK
¦Æ Any bad spelling or grammar, is free of charge
¢ Pls help support PLEX4GOOD
@EveEntrepreneur
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