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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.12.29 18:00:04 -
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While I know there is only so many applications for a hull like this I still think the lack of a platform for such a function means its worth discussion. Again, as the thread name suggests, I am talking of a scanning ship. No, not another exploration or probing SoE type ship, but a dedicated hull for use modules in the cargo, ship, and survey scanning categories.
Basically as it stands the only vessels with survey scanner and cargo scanner bonuses are the Rorqual and Orca. While this makes sense that Capital Industrial vessels would receive bonuses in this fashion, no one in ther right mind pilots a Rorqual into and asteroid belt. Therefore, it's bonuses are pointless. In a previous post I proposed the deletion of these unused bonuses and suitable replacements; see link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6238492#post6238492
The Orca has High Sec applications where its bonus can effectively go to work, and should be left alone. But no other vessels carry this responsibility.
What I am proposing is the following, of course USEFUL suggestions are welcome. No trolling please. It helps to also state I believe the more ships in EVE the better, hence my opinion.
One hull already designed and in minor use currently in game, one that has in the years since its creation been pushed by the way side and all but forgotten, left to the hangers of collectors along with random holiday trinkets is the Echelon. The appeal of this hull for my proposed purpose is quite obvious. It is covered in scanning dishes, radars, great windows and observation ports.
What better hull to tweak and re-release to the market. Little would be needed to re-purpose it. I'd even be okay with just a paint job, though some additional mods could be made to distinguish a newer version. The Echelon comes from a long line of CONCORD projects, though, who's origins are unknown. Surely spying was one of them. Uses now could be as a "Customs Inspector."
The new hull, I'll simply name "ECHELON 2" could use the following slot layout and bonuses.
2 High Slots 4 Medium Slots 2 Low Slots 3 Rig Slots
0 Turrets/0 Missile Launchers
25,000m Targeting Range 350m/sec Max Velocity 100 m3 Cargo Bay 0 m3 Drone Bay 0 m/Bit Drone Bandwidth
Traits: DED Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 20% bonus to targeting range 15% reduction to duration of cargo, survey, and ships scanning modules 5% bonus to maximum velocity and agility
Role bonus: 800% bonus to Survey Scanner range 400% bonus to Cargo and Ship Scanner range and 500% bonus to Ship Scanner falloff - Cloak reactivation delay and targeting delay reduced to 5 seconds - No penalty to ship max velocity when using Cloaking Devices
Again, its merely a concept to fill a vacant niche. I don't expect everyone to run out and say lets do this! Perhaps, go only as far as a limited edition one time ship or BPC release. It would still be better than that diplomatic shuttle in my opinion. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.12.29 18:00:16 -
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
1001
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:06:02 -
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Why does the ship scanner need falloff and why do we need this boat in the first place?
The Echelon was a one time gift for incursions just like the Zephyre which is useful for w-space and the Echelon useful for those rep-tower thingies.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2942
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:36:43 -
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Doubt we need an entire New set of ships for this. Could add the bonuses to existing scout ships and maybe ship scanning bonuses to command ships.
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.12.29 20:55:48 -
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elitatwo wrote:Why does the ship scanner need falloff and why do we need this boat in the first place?
The Echelon was a one time gift for incursions just like the Zephyre which is useful for w-space and the Echelon useful for those rep-tower thingies.
I'm not sure why the ship scanner has a falloff, but the module does. Much to my surprise as well. As I said this would be a modified hull, New name and stats, but the model can basically remain untouched. I just felt like it was a good base. Making a totally new counterpart doesn't take away from the originals rarity either. It is a nice hull though. Being DED it also fits the storyline. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:01:03 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Doubt we need an entire New set of ships for this. Could add the bonuses to existing scout ships and maybe ship scanning bonuses to command ships.
I felt the other hullls are more speciallized for different purposes. To just added a new bonus would make their roles more cluttered, quite unnessarily. That's why I opted for a revamp of an older model. CCP did it with the Noctus and people found it incredible brilliant. I don't expect a ship like this to be used everyday, but like I said that niche is mostly vacant. I'm just trying to find a good way to fill it. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
575
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:51:14 -
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This is why scanning strength and speed midslots were added in the first place... |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.12.29 23:55:07 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:This is why scanning strength and speed midslots were added in the first place...
Scanning strength refers to probed... |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
524
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Posted - 2015.12.30 00:16:08 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: The Orca has High Sec applications where its bonus can effectively go to work, and should be left alone. But no other vessels carry this responsibility.
Since you are talking about the Orca being effective at using its scanning bonus. The Orca doesn't get to utilize it's Survery Scanning bonus effectively in a mining fleet because it doesn't push the information to the miners in the fleet. There was a post that a dev responded to that showed interest quite awhile ago, but I'm not sure if it just didn't gain any traction on the CCP side, or if it's just backlogged due to low priority with everything else they have been doing.
EDIT: Search function is a wonderful thing https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3100906#post3100906
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2864
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Posted - 2015.12.30 00:16:37 -
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Lets not introduce DED ships to player hands, because the demands that follow will be outrageous.
As for this, I really don't see that this is a meaningful ship type. |
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.12.30 12:11:05 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: The Orca has High Sec applications where its bonus can effectively go to work, and should be left alone. But no other vessels carry this responsibility.
Since you are talking about the Orca being effective at using its scanning bonus. The Orca doesn't get to utilize it's Survery Scanning bonus effectively in a mining fleet because it doesn't push the information to the miners in the fleet. There was a post that a dev responded to that showed interest quite awhile ago, but I'm not sure if it just didn't gain any traction on the CCP side, or if it's just backlogged due to low priority with everything else they have been doing. EDIT: Search function is a wonderful thing https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3100906#post3100906
I recall that as well and agree.
Question, I've not tried it, but, can't an Orca pilot simply run a scan, target the best rocks and broadcast them as targets for his fleet? Like combat fleet commanders would.
I know this doesn't do anything to share the info, but just a thought. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.12.30 12:19:40 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lets not introduce DED ships to player hands, because the demands that follow will be outrageous.
As for this, I really don't see that this is a meaningful ship type.
Ha I know! How we whine already. That is a fair statement. I just felt it fit that "Role" well, like it's origins were plausible. This could be an ORE Frigate really for all I care.
Like I said I know This a ship has very limited applications, hence why I said maybe make it a limited edition release. Not a lot of people wil havel use for them for the scanning reasons.
Maybe gankers? Noob miners? Though I didn't list bonuses for it I can still see some putting a probe launcher on it anyway and doing a total exploration fit. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1726
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Posted - 2015.12.30 12:36:28 -
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Came here excited about a scamming ship, re read the title - leaving disappointed
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.12.30 14:21:34 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Came here excited about a scamming ship, re read the title - leaving disappointed
Lol, thats called anyone in Jita M4 CNAP... |
ToshioMagic
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.12.30 15:34:27 -
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As a combat prober myself I love the information warfare side of battles. But there's something underwhelming about what you've suggested. It's almost.... too niche. This ship is useless for anything other than scanning cargoholds. Which means rather than be used on a battlefield, it will be relegated to high sec war deccers and gankers on station undocks and gates.
I wouldn't be opposed to seeing these on some t2 frigates. For exampe:
Move the survey bonuses to the endurance/prospect. Move the cargo scanning bonuses to transport ships/blockade runners or the covops line. Give interceptors a 17.2AU dscan and give recon ships a 20.3 AU dscan. Move the ship scanning bonuses to the astero/stratios/nestor.
I just can't justify adding an entire new ship for this. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
525
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:19:32 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: I recall that as well and agree.
Question, I've not tried it, but, can't an Orca pilot simply run a scan, target the best rocks and broadcast them as targets for his fleet? Like combat fleet commanders would.
I know this doesn't do anything to share the info, but just a thought.
In larger grav sites, 1 scan from the orca/rorqual and you get a map of the most/entire place. But even this data isn't useful because you want to kill the entire site, otherwise it just hangs out and doesn't despawn for about a week.
In belts, you don't need the Orca/Rorqual to do the scan because you can cover most/all of the belt in an unbonused ship.
Anyone can tell what the most valuable asteroid to mine is by category without the survey scanner by looking at your overview (Pristine is good). Now if you have a mining fleet, the most a survey scan+broadcast could tell you is that somebody left a rock with 400 minerals left in it and didn't pop it, but unless that rock is off all by itself, its not a big deal because you can just mine another rock.
Either way, the OP won't fix the issues with survey scanning. A couple of different ideas that would fix it would be... -Introduce a capital survey scanner that scans the content of entire belts on the magnitude of AU and can only be fit on the Orca/Rorqual -Let the Orca/Rorqual push out the current chart to the fleet when they make a scan so everyone can see for themselves what is what -Add icons to the scan to see how many active miners are currently on a scanned rock to help prevent cross mining
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
251
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Posted - 2015.12.31 00:14:41 -
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Give the ship a Covert Ops Cloak, Warp While Cloaked and Cynosural Generator and it would work. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2015.12.31 00:23:10 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Give the ship a Covert Ops Cloak, Warp While Cloaked and Cynosural Generator and it would work.
I also think this ship should be geared towards Rookie Pilots and a few month old Pilots to keep their interest in exploration at an early point in their career.
I was afraid to throw the covert ops cloak card. I thought people would go OP nuts, but I guess that CCP did out for that Gallente Cruiser release this summer. |
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