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Mycle Adelora
Celestial Industrial Supplies
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Posted - 2016.01.07 03:04:14 -
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I came back to the game a little over a month ago because I had two friends that had just started playing again. Since I've been back I haven't done much other than sit in a station. trading is fun and I don't lose many ships doing it. But in the little over a month that I've been playing my friend has lost two mackinaws in high sec and almost quit. I didn't really know what to tell him about his ships other than to say be careful where you mine and watch local. He decided he wanted to be a hauler. He trained the skills and last week I gave him the money to buy him a Charon. Stay in high sec and have fun. (my original plan was to be a freighter pilot myself but to many jumps) I've flown around a bit and bought things for him to haul. He makes money to pay me back I get stuff cheaper than I would in jita. Well a few minutes ago I get a phone call. My friend is in asking for 250 mil because some guy is going to blow up his ship. I send it to him cause I'm a nice guy (and he might have my stuff in that ship). He gives the guy the money and the guy ask for 150 more well he has that much (so why didn't he just ask for 100 mil) and gives to him. Another guy ask if he needs help and my friend says yes. The guy challenges him to a duel and my friend excepts. (REALLY!!) He gets his week old Charon with 54 blocks of ice (his) in the cargo hold blown up in 0.6 space. I say he's an idiot but I don't know exactly what to tell him other than never except a duel when you're being ganked while flying a Charon. He was in 0.6 space 75 km from the gate he just came through and the guy was bumping him so he couldn't warp. I would have just done nothing sit there until the server reset. If they attack him concord is right there but the idiot accepts a duel. Should I just suggest that he tries a WOW free trial or what? |
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.07 03:08:02 -
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Mycle Adelora wrote:I came back to the game a little over a month ago because I had two friends that had just started playing again. Since I've been back I haven't done much other than sit in a station. trading is fun and I don't lose many ships doing it. But in the little over a month that I've been playing my friend has lost two mackinaws in high sec and almost quit. I didn't really know what to tell him about his ships other than to say be careful where you mine and watch local. He decided he wanted to be a hauler. He trained the skills and last week I gave him the money to buy him a Charon. Stay in high sec and have fun. (my original plan was to be a freighter pilot myself but to many jumps) I've flown around a bit and bought things for him to haul. He makes money to pay me back I get stuff cheaper than I would in jita. Well a few minutes ago I get a phone call. My friend is in asking for 250 mil because some guy is going to blow up his ship. I send it to him cause I'm a nice guy (and he might have my stuff in that ship). He gives the guy the money and the guy ask for 150 more well he has that much (so why didn't he just ask for 100 mil) and gives to him. Another guy ask if he needs help and my friend says yes. The guy challenges him to a duel and my friend excepts. (REALLY!!) He gets his week old Charon with 54 blocks of ice (his) in the cargo hold blown up in 0.6 space. I say he's an idiot but I don't know exactly what to tell him other than never except a duel when you're being ganked while flying a Charon. He was in 0.6 space 75 km from the gate he just came through and the guy was bumping him so he couldn't warp. I would have just done nothing sit there until the server reset. If they attack him concord is right there but the idiot accepts a duel. Should I just suggest that he tries a WOW free trial or what?
Can I suggest before you start laughing at others ineptitude in a PC game.....
you learn how to use the return/enter key. Some space between paragraphs please
Basic PC use 101.
"... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á | zoonr-Korsairs |-á QFT !
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2016.01.07 03:09:16 -
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I think we know who the real idiot here is, don't we? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1831
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Posted - 2016.01.07 03:18:12 -
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Who ever actually pays ransoms? It is guaranteed they will blow you up regardless.
I must say if this story is actually genuine its surprising someone could play long enough to acquire freighter skills and not understand how EVE actually works. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.01.07 03:27:39 -
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This thread was move to Crime and Punishment. May the gods have mercy on your soul.
ISD Max Trix
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Jack Miton
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
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Posted - 2016.01.07 04:28:31 -
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Wait wait, did I happen to be on this Charon KM? Cos I did run into a suspect timered charon in HS a couple weeks ago that I tagged onto. Fun times :)
There is no Bob.
Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
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Mycle Adelora
Celestial Industrial Supplies
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Posted - 2016.01.07 05:24:31 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Wait wait, did I happen to be on this Charon KM? Cos I did run into a suspect timered charon in HS a couple weeks ago that I tagged onto. Fun times :)
It happened an hour or so before I posted. |
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.07 06:54:38 -
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Besides taking in what people say above, use the Anti-ganking channel in game, if you're in the main pipes you may get help or tips on how to get out of this type of situation, if it was a large code op, they can take down any ship they please, they have scouts, scanners, bumper, all working together to kill their target, Anti-ganker fleets do what we can but we can't be in all places
So the Anti-ganking channel may save your ass, keep it open and use the information contained within, just don't give up on it, you don't always get an answer but the information you provide may save the next ship from the same fate
Information is key, keep it flowing and never fly a ship though a gank area on auto pilot, we can't help if you're afk |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2663
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Posted - 2016.01.07 07:03:38 -
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My suggestion would be to downgrade your friend to a Tayra or Badger until he's had some more time to really learn the ropes of hauling. Once he's got the nuances down then maybe upgrade to a Bustard or Crane and work from there.
I know the freighter is appealing in many ways, but it's a pretty expensive ship and a common target for ne'er do wells who covet the shiny things inside. To pilot one effectively you need more than just skillbooks and ISK; you need to KNOW your route inside and out, who's who on team bad guy, and you also need a support crew to help assure that your freight will arrive safely. That last bit is often overlooked. Scouts, logistic support and webbers can all improve your survival chances. Going it solo is pretty much asking to be interfered with.
Dont send him elsewhere, just sit him down and help him work out a plan for recovery. Do your homework and learn from the loss.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.07 08:25:09 -
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Well your friends an idiot ... ... but who gave him the charon and isk for the ransom .... ?
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Kacer Xenro
Lom Corporation Just let it happen
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Posted - 2016.01.07 08:33:40 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Who ever actually pays ransoms? It is guaranteed they will blow you up regardless.
I must say if this story is actually genuine its surprising someone could play long enough to acquire freighter skills and not understand how EVE actually works.
I do ransoms once in a while, mostly when i'm tackled in a wormhole by a known alliance, those guys usually know their space bushido |
Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc.
1157
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Posted - 2016.01.07 12:00:09 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Who ever actually pays ransoms? It is guaranteed they will blow you up regardless.
Wrong. Some of us still honour ISK and song (song preferred, they even make ISK out of it) ransoms.
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.07 12:17:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Who ever actually pays ransoms? It is guaranteed they will blow you up regardless.
I must say if this story is actually genuine its surprising someone could play long enough to acquire freighter skills and not understand how EVE actually works.
The way that I'm reading the story, his "idiot" friend got a free freighter, eventually got bored from hauling, then got 250m extra from this guy, then got the insurance payout on his freighter. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1588
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Posted - 2016.01.07 13:03:37 -
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Sounds like you got scammed, OP.
This guy got a free freighter, supposedly gets bumped around 80km off a gate, agree's to pay a ransom, then accepts a duel request from a passing stranger and gets blown up.
I smell a rat. And insurance fraud.
BTW, the best way to avoid this is by paying attention to DOTLAN (or even the ingame map), having a team of in-corp scouts and webbers (you need friendly fire on for this to work tho) , and hanging out in the Minerbumping channel doesn't hurt, either.
I would advise staying away from the so-called 'Anti-Ganker' channel , as it is full of some of the most racist bigots and scum in EVE.
And that's saying ALOT.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10069
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Posted - 2016.01.07 13:41:12 -
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"Mycle Adelora"
"Mike Adoulin"
Coincidence?
I think not!
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2671
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Posted - 2016.01.07 14:09:43 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Who ever actually pays ransoms? It is guaranteed they will blow you up regardless.
I must say if this story is actually genuine its surprising someone could play long enough to acquire freighter skills and not understand how EVE actually works. The way that I'm reading the story, his "idiot" friend got a free freighter, eventually got bored from hauling, then got 250m extra from this guy, then got the insurance payout on his freighter.
350 mil, after the extra added ransom. However, I'm inclined to believe the guy... provided his friend was not in reality him... stranger **** has happened. My take is the guy is just being way too nice to his buddy to try and keep him involved in the game. I can understand this, hell I've paid a friend's subscription for three months just to get him to give it another chance myself. It didn't take, but that's a different story. His carebear powah was too stronk, and he lost interest before doing anything interesting.
He just needs to realign his buddy's axii and get him aligned to what the heck really goes on when you fly silly.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2016.01.07 14:48:08 -
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So, you cared so little about your friend so you let him to join the most PITA AND unprofittable high risk no reward activity you might run into, you ignored the point when he got the most useless freighter of the four available, did nothing to make him learn the ropes of said activity, then gave him "fortune" load of ISKs for questionable stuff. Then you call your friend an idiot. I say great job! |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2674
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Posted - 2016.01.07 14:58:15 -
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To be fair, OP has indicated that he himself may also be an idiot as well for exactly said reasons. (except the caldari hate... who doesn't like tentacles?) That bit is part of why I'm inclined to believe this is legit... most trolls wouldn't be willing to admit they were possibly at fault for a portion of the dreck they're involved in. I think the point here is that said friend is an idiot of a much grander scale, and is in dire need of education in the department of 'how this crap works'
It's possible that through some rehabilitation he could come to be a valuable commodity... err member of society.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2016.01.07 16:36:39 -
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If we look at zkillboard, specifically the CONCORD kill pages, I think the trend is pretty obvious. Most ganking on miners and haulers happens in and around Jita.
Therefore, the solution is easy, stay away from Jita!
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2016.01.07 16:41:43 -
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That "helping duel" move was absolutely brilliant! I really want details on the victim and perpetrator(s). This is short-term social engineering at its finest.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Blueprint Buyer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.01.07 17:16:00 -
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I think perhaps funding him was not a great idea. The time you spent making small amounts of isk and losing cheap stuff when you start are where you learn all your lessons. Jumping straight into Freighters having no learnt all the lessons he needed to about hauling or eve in general for that matter was probably not wise.
That being said. Don't discourage him. just don't GIVE him anything more. We'll soon see if he really wants to play.
EDIT: For those wondering. https://zkillboard.com/kill/51205784/ |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
1331
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Posted - 2016.01.07 21:37:04 -
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This friendship is made to last.
EDIT: Died to an exequror. That's even better.
Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
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lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
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Posted - 2016.01.08 00:12:48 -
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With the moving of this thread over to the C&P it is essential you tell your friend to post here as well, explaining his side of the story. The idea of this exercise is to let him analyze his actions that led to the event. In the process it is also vital that he expresses himself freely, basically letting us know what sort of feelings this event has produced in him. Especially emotions such as grief, anger, sorrow, loss and hate should be expressed with as many details as possible.
Along with the potential therapeutic value this holds for himself, it is not uncommon for the C&P folk to express sympathy towards the victim. Even raising isk among this subforum's gentle community for the good of the victim is not unheard of. |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2016.01.08 00:46:14 -
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lmmortalist wrote: it is not uncommon for the C&P folk to express sympathy towards the victim. Even raising isk among this subforum's gentle community for the good of the victim is not unheard of. I can confirm that. When we had some asshats ruining innocent man's reputation we did our best to make sure that he won't be shunned and short on options in his way in EVE. |
Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1265
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Posted - 2016.01.08 01:23:20 -
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I move for a C&P court ruling of the matter, is he really an idiot? And should we really care? |
Samwise Everquest
Because ISK
205
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Posted - 2016.01.09 09:54:20 -
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I almost got aids reading the OP.
Pras Phil.
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Natural CloneKiller
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2016.01.11 11:20:17 -
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You should hire us to play with these trouble makers! |
Rykker Bow
The Scope
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Posted - 2016.01.11 14:42:31 -
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Would read again, +1. I'm not sure how I'd react if my friend called me and asked to borrow isk because he's being ransomed...probably to die quietly please, I'm at work.
Anyway, hope you buddies work through the tough eve learning curve. Good luck.
/munches popcorn
The Mjolnir Bloc - Lowsec PvP for the sophisticated -
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