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ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.13 03:41:57 -
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It is with a heavy heart I have to agree with Kalo, more and more the milita cries out it is #2Lazy to stop pirating, #2Lazy to fly Minmatar only docrtrine, and #2Lazy to even capture complexes anymore. All they do is shoot others and make isk. These people, they need to be stopped. |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:21:47 -
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Siddhar Gangari wrote: The fact remains that you do nothing to support the war effort. If the shallow (in my humble opinion) pursuit of kill marks for your hull is what interests you, by all means pursue it. But do so without luring people who wish to contribute away from a long-term goal that requires vision and cooperation to complete. Retire from the war, pirate. The TLF and its supporters will be better for it.
Amusing, since no one is forced to go anywhere or be in any fleet. The pilots of the TLF can make their own choices, you don't own them, if they choose to join a fleet raiding slavers in providence, or supporting a fight over a moon, how is that even any of your business? You make it sound nefarious as if KS7RL FCs work against your goals, but what exact goal is it anyway? A medal? Do you think that is going to do anything for our people?
Ria Nieyli wrote: Being in the warzone is not just spinning buttons.
To be fair you are missing the context of the discussion, on the 2LC side, we are regularly (as evidenced in this thread) told we are "no better than the Amarr" because our primary activity isn't running buttons, but pursuing fights, wherever those fights might be. |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:36:44 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Unless I'm mistaken didn't U'K at one time have some operations in Great Wildlands? What exactly is the problem with people learning the ins and outs of other forms of combat? Having gone on a few of Kalo's fleets, a lot of the people in the TLF were clueless about how to actually conduct themselves out there. I'm not saying ignoring everything daily is a good thing but how are people supposed to improve if they sit in their comfort zones all the time? You want progress yet you propose to hinder improvement by funneling them into the norms. Complacency kills. Personally I'd say forcing everyone to exclusively use Tormenters on mandatory Provi roams would be better for developing our up and coming warriors than having them grow too comfortable with whats around them. What military now a days doesn't train for things other than what is expected?
Absolutely! And I would like to add that in addition to attacking slavers in Providence and the Warzone, Sanguis Inceptum has been doing a wonderful job of hitting them in the Throne Worlds themselves despite Concord, and the Amarr Navy. We are Minmatar we can go anywhere we want. There should be no where the Amarr feel totally safe from us. |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.14 00:41:14 -
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Anslo wrote:Because we did more for the TLF outside of it than inside of it.
Some days, I really miss being in the Huola Coalition, fighting for our people from Scope Works, we did good work. |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.14 16:57:08 -
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To be fair, since we formed a coalition with doctrines, it's own fleet/Intel channels, direct lines between other coalition leadership, etc we have been able to largely avoid those problems at the cost of not only cutting out the vast majority of the Milita with the exception of opening fleets up, but also at the cost of vastly increased tensions. Apparently just having an "us" leads people to an "us versus them" scenario. Imagine my surprise when I am informed one of the CEOs was banned from communications services with the message "traitorous scum confirmed".
So it does very much seem if one wants to solve the issues that are present, that there are certainly those who will create a bitter backlash against that. A great deal of the venting in this thread has been a response to that backlash. Tensions however would be greatly eased if people understood no one is "in charge" of the TLF forces and that if you don't agree with what a group is doing make your own, and run it how you like, don't try to dictate to people you aren't in control of how they can conduct their fight.
I know in my previous expierence with Amarr, Dirt and Glitter couldn't care less when Pyre would go into null for a day to shoot those people, or if we weren't gonna deplex kourmonen, etc. So this whole situation has taken me quite by surprise. That just seemed obvious, you can't tell people in other alliances what to do, unless you are the FC in a public fleet and then your authority ends when that fleet does. |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.14 17:45:21 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Ah yes, the Sani Sabik CEO who pestered people in their own corp channels on comms and had to be sent packing? Not that we can expect much better when other members of that corp also pesters people on comms, with ping chains and such nonsense even when the recipients are signaling a do not disturb with the away from comms positions.
I think you're misunderstanding something though. Everyone knows you can't order someone outside of your own corps or alliances, but there is absolutely nothing that says you can't voice criticism, disgust or disapproval of things like complete lack of standards, lack of focus, lack of priorities and generally doing more harm than good.
Of course, the fact that you are a better fit among the Amarr where scum like you belong is probably not surprising. In the Tribes we don't tend to cater to dishonesty and glassy smiles "diplomatically" hiding the honest truth and disapproval. We honestly tell you when you're a cancer.
Well, some of us do. The ones that don't tend to fall to the wayside.
There have been alot of incidents of my people being banned from communication services, not just the one you are referencing, and several of those based on that persons "associations", we have even had members ejected from fleet since they wanted to use a combat prober. If it were just "voicing criticism" it wouldn't have got to this. You are never around fleets anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't really know any of what is going on, there are pilots who have been in less than two months with more combat history than your entire career with the TLF, so I don't even know where any of this even matters to you Mizhara.
We are making an attempt at working thru differences, and all you are doing is insulting me. I respect Siddhar Gangari, because I see him put forth an effort to understand and put this conflict behind us, and ease tensions within the militia, but you make it very hard to respect you, as it seems like you don't even respect what it is the militia even does. If this war matters so little to you, then why are you even in it? |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.15 11:20:57 -
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When Huola fell, we lived in Taff as part of the Blacklist, there was no one of consequence there to defend it. Scope Works left to pursue other things. Say what you will but when it was ScopeMatar that system never fell, and if anyone wants to strut about claming victory over a mostly Undefended system then I don't even know what to say |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.17 19:28:20 -
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They shoot us so we shoot them, it is no surprise at all really. I do not for a second deny engaging Gal mil. after many incidents I have started treating them just like other neutrals. Other FCs in the alliance might have a different policy but that is the one I go by.
And if they were allies they wouldn't come to metropolis and slide into our plexes and shoot us to begin with. |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.18 07:25:47 -
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Haha, I don't mind your ungodly filth at all, sometimes I like to get filthy. |
ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:39:08 -
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Eh, if Funk shoots TLF, that is for Kalo to deal with, and for me to deal with if it starts to threaten standings for Sanguis, therefore the alliance. As far as shooting capsuleers in highsec, I just don't care. It also doesn't matter to me that Hratan does it. |
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ValentinaDLM
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:10:46 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Well, do put your autocannons where your mouth is. It is no less than what I'd expect from enemies of our people hiding under the TLF's banner. Your members already kill other TLF members, fly with our wartargets and hunt our allies. This is the logical next step, isn't it?
There's not much that would prove what I've said any better than that.
Yes, but the problem is, as much as we despise you and your mouth, I am fond of lots of people in UNITY, and we both fight side by side against the Amarr, you might not notice that of course since I never see you on the battlefield. There is no reason to turn this into a conflict that would effect our or UNITY's capability to fight the Amarr. So until concord lets us put out a contract and you, and you alone we aren't doing anything on that front. |
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