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Nobax
Elemental Exposure
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Posted - 2016.01.20 20:00:25 -
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Basic question, which of the above to use?
Is a HML tengu viable in LVL4s or do I need HAMs? It's about the same train time for HAMs as it is for Cal/Gal BS 4, Tengu is already trained.
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Orlacc
933
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Posted - 2016.01.20 20:46:54 -
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Yes HML works fine.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Dr Cedric
Independent Miners Corporation Care Factor
132
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Posted - 2016.01.20 21:06:50 -
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I know that fully trained RS can push 1200 dps easy with good application (assuming nice skills). From what I remember HM-Tengu tops out in the 700's and HAM-Tengu tops in the 950+ range.
Personally I like the look and feel of a RS sending Uber Sentries out and pummeling with Cruise missiles from afar, but thats just me!
Cedric
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Nobax
Elemental Exposure
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Posted - 2016.01.20 21:23:58 -
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Dr Cedric wrote:I know that fully trained RS can push 1200 dps easy with good application (assuming nice skills). From what I remember HM-Tengu tops out in the 700's and HAM-Tengu tops in the 950+ range.
Personally I like the look and feel of a RS sending Uber Sentries out and pummeling with Cruise missiles from afar, but thats just me! Yea I really like the idea of the RS too and love the look, I already have and love the worm and the Gila.
I think I'll use the Tengu I have for now and train up for RS and eventually use that.
Hows this for a Tengu setup? https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/60036/8287498297984155648 |
Jace Varus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.21 00:06:11 -
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Nobax wrote:Dr Cedric wrote:I know that fully trained RS can push 1200 dps easy with good application (assuming nice skills). From what I remember HM-Tengu tops out in the 700's and HAM-Tengu tops in the 950+ range.
Personally I like the look and feel of a RS sending Uber Sentries out and pummeling with Cruise missiles from afar, but thats just me! Yea I really like the idea of the RS too and love the look, I already have and love the worm and the Gila. I think I'll use the Tengu I have for now and train up for RS and eventually use that. Hows this for a Tengu setup? https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/60036/8287498297984155648
Often times replacing the amps with invul fields are more effective, because of the larger bonus.
My fit for angel space: https://o.smium.org/loadout/60118 |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4941
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Posted - 2016.01.21 02:29:48 -
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Rattlesnake.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Luther Fairfax
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.21 05:13:23 -
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[Lvl 4 Tengu - 970 DPS]
6x HAM Launcher II
1x Target Painter II 1x Gistum C-Type Med Shield Booster 1x Gistum C-Type 10mn AB 2x Mission Specific Hardeners 1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field
3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control Unit 1x Ballistic Control Unit II
1x Med Cap Control Circuit II 1x Med Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II 1x Med Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Gravitational Capacitor Accelerated Ejection Bay Augmented Cap Reservoir Amplification Node Dissolution Sequencer
I use this fto blitz level 4's. 964 DPS with my skills. 34kms with rage, 61kms with Javs. It's cap stable enough. Fit costs in the neighborhood of 1.2 or 1.3 bil. Gravitational rig for warp speed. You still get about 550 m/s which is fast enough to speed tank. You still have to watch your triggers and kill the frigs first.
I find this more fun than a Rattler, but yeah, a Rattler would probably be better.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2016.01.21 06:08:51 -
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Nobax wrote:Basic question, which of the above to use?
Is a HML tengu viable in LVL4s or do I need HAMs? It's about the same train time for HAMs as it is for Cal/Gal BS 4, Tengu is already trained.
We cannot tell you what you like, only you do. You want to fly a boat, fly the boat. Everyone of us has different tastes and it is all fine. Fly what you like not what we want you to like.
I had the most fun in ages when I trained turrets for the first time and ran a few level 4 missions in a Harpy. It is really not up to us what you consider fun.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.21 06:25:36 -
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Either will be ridiculously OP for L4 missions.
I suggest the Tengu. If you're buying an expensive ship for PvE, why not just get the ship that can also handle the highest end null sec/WH PvE as well? A properly blinged Tengu can solo The Maze 10/10 site. Why would you fly anything else?
Not only that- but it can fly around cloaked/nullified, scan down it's own sites, then refit to run the site........it's the only ship you need. Then, if you get bored with shooting rats, take that same ship and go do some hacking sites too. Still not enough utility? Swap out some subsystems and take that Tengu out to PvP. Cloaky ambusher? Boosting ship? EWAR support? Straight in your face DPS? Tengu will do that with either missiles or guns on it.
When your shiny ship eventually does catch the attention of a would be aggressor- what is going to align out and get to warp faster when that hostile lands on grid? Not the battleship.
I have both ships, and specifically used the Rattler in L4's for a bit. I mostly rat in null sec with a Tengu. Both are 'easy mode' for PvE, so really, it comes down to your skills and preference- neither is going to be dented by any high sec PvE short of Incursions. I just think the Tengu has much more utility for doing OTHER things too. |
Nobax
Elemental Exposure
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Posted - 2016.01.26 14:31:38 -
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Jace Varus wrote:[quote=Nobax] Often times replacing the amps with invul fields are more effective, because of the larger bonus. My fit for angel space: https://o.smium.org/loadout/60118
Thanks, I went with a very similar setup, finding it a lot of fun clearing all those rooms with a cruiser and the npcs barely scratch the tank :D
<3 The Tengu. |
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Aoi Litvyak
Random inactiva corporation
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Posted - 2016.01.26 15:40:44 -
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Dr Cedric wrote:I know that fully trained RS can push 1200 dps easy with good application (assuming nice skills). From what I remember HM-Tengu tops out in the 700's and HAM-Tengu tops in the 950+ range.
Personally I like the look and feel of a RS sending Uber Sentries out and pummeling with Cruise missiles from afar, but thats just me!
Say what , and it applies perfectly to everything but frigs, then again precision missiles make cannon fooder out of frigs. |
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
504
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Posted - 2016.01.26 18:49:12 -
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I fly basically the same tank on my HAMgu but without the kinetic amp, instead I have a missile guidance comp which means you can swap scripts for extra range or application as required.
I used to fly with HMLs but the HAMs really make the sites much faster at the cost of a little bit of effort/thinking: getting the next target in range whilst you finish off the current one instead of just setting an orbit and working through the ships in order, also you need to be a little more careful with mitigating some of the incoming DPS as you tend to be flying closer to the optimal ranges of the NPCs. ...basically HMLs are great for learning with and then HAMs are taking the baby wheels off
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Aoi Litvyak
Random inactiva corporation
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:00:42 -
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Damn i didnt even know there were range enhancing modules for missiles. Maybe a HAM fit with acceptable range and tank is possible (55KM). |
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
504
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:12:50 -
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Aoi Litvyak wrote:Damn i didnt even know there were range enhancing modules for missiles. Maybe a HAM fit with acceptable range and tank is possible (55KM). More than possible now:
6x HAMs
4x Tank modules AB Missile guidance comp (+range script)
3x navy BCUs Missile guidance enhancer
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
All Vs, no implants = 103km with Javelin (590dps) / 57km with Rage (880dps)
Personally I use a T2 flare rig instead of the T1 rocket cache and a T2 BCU instead of the MGE for better damage and application - I just added those to meet your 55km criteria :)
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Aoi Litvyak
Random inactiva corporation
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:42:45 -
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Yeah i just took a closer look at it, 80 DPS more is not a good trade, it would slow down missions even more due to having to burn more distance. For lvl4 running id still say HMLs are the way to go, HAMs are better suited for null ratting and pvp. |
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
504
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:59:30 -
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HMLgu is only 700dps...so it's 180dps more.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Aoi Litvyak
Random inactiva corporation
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:21:51 -
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Then why does my HML tengu do 802 DPS? |
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
504
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:27:40 -
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Implants?
With two +6% implants you can get a HAMgu to deal over 1055 dps with 3 navy+ 1xT2 BCU or 996dps with just 3 navy BCUs if you wanted the extra range fit.
So that'd be 200-250 more dps over your HMLgu
if you're not using implants then I'd guess you're not counting the reload time on your fitting program...either way the HAMs seriously outdps the HMLs
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Aoi Litvyak
Random inactiva corporation
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:34:20 -
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Oh i forgot about that, yeah 6% implants for missiles. Either way only way itd be satisfiable way to run lvl4s with HAMs would be with MWD fit rather than AB, which means the tank would be micromanaged instead. But when running multiple clients its more comfortable to have identical stable fits. So no without the range it cant work fluid enough. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
1059
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:48:03 -
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The best Caldari boat to pve in is still the Leviathan.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
505
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:58:40 -
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Aoi Litvyak wrote:Oh i forgot about that, yeah 6% implants for missiles. Either way only way itd be satisfiable way to run lvl4s with HAMs would be with MWD fit rather than AB, which means the tank would be micromanaged instead. But when running multiple clients its more comfortable to have identical stable fits. So no without the range it cant work fluid enough. Well you just asked for a fit with 55km range...I gave you one which does that and has 25% more dps than your HML fit.
If you're multiboxing then maybe it wouldn't suit, but as a solo tengu it completely outperforms the HML variant in L4s and definitely doesn't need an MWD.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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ZmajOgnjeniVuk
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.01.27 09:45:24 -
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HMLs work perfectly fine, speaking from experience. I would recommend to train into HAMs incase you care about getting into PvP or close-range pve. |
Muad 'dib
Death By Design Did he say Jump
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:23:22 -
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the RS is way better than the tengu for a few reasons, skill reqs for completion and risk (also for faster missions bling-ability/necessity).
Ham tengu has a range problem but a speed advantage over the rattlesnake, but for a reasonbly well skilled char in both, timed blitz the rattler would be a win if fitted appropriately.
Yes i have both, yes ive used both but i actually use a gun boat because its faster than either (also more fun, as much fun as one can have in a mission of course!)
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