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kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:44:02 -
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I admittedly haven't been able to find the dev blog to confirm this but the way I understand it is that instead of sticking with the policy of "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now", they are seeding a fax skill book and making everyone train fax before they can fly triage.
Am I the only person outraged by this as much as the scandoulous roll out of the skill extractors prices? I've already trained carrier five in order to have a good triage pilot. How is this flying by everyone that they're having a skill just taken right out from under them?
Is there anyone that has more information on why they chose to do this? The tin foil hat in me thinks they did it to encourage people to invest in these skill extractors in order to train triage in a reasonable amount of time, but that's just speculation. Regardless, I had been under the impression that this whole time they had been intending on rolling out fax so anyone with previous triage capability would be able to fly them right away. Is there any info out there on why they changed it up this? I for one think it's complete BS. |
Mister Ripley
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:52:22 -
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If you could fly it before, you can fly it now |
Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:54:00 -
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Not sure if you're aware but something has shaved a stripe right up the middle of your head. |
Hound Halfhand
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:00:15 -
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Poddington Bare wrote:Not sure if you're aware but something has shaved a stripe right up the middle of your head.
It's a reverse Mohawk. Otherwise known as an Amarrian landing strip.
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kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:15:14 -
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Mister Ripley wrote:If you could fly it before, you can fly it now
Do you have the dev blog for this. I haven't been able to find any thing on it, but I've heard from several sources that they are introducing the fax skill book before releasing it because they decided to make everyone train it instead of giving any who could fly it before the ability to fly it after fax are released. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44404
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:16:51 -
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Have CCP seeded it?
Can you buy it from an NPC and inject it already?
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:19:08 -
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kahn liam wrote:Mister Ripley wrote:If you could fly it before, you can fly it now Do you have the dev blog for this. I haven't been able to find any thing on it, but I've heard from several sources that they are introducing the fax skill book before releasing it because they decided to make everyone train it instead of giving any who could fly it before the ability to fly it after fax are released. Maybe you misunderstood, so let me explain it: You could fly a Carrier before, and you will be able to fly it after. You could not fly a FAX before (simply because it didn't exist) so you will not be able to fly it after, unless you buy the book. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:21:54 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Maybe you misunderstood, so let me explain it: You could fly a Carrier before, and you will be able to fly it after. You could not fly a FAX before (simply because it didn't exist) so you will not be able to fly it after, unless you buy the book. Can you link where CCP have said this.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:26:03 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Maybe you misunderstood, so let me explain it: You could fly a Carrier before, and you will be able to fly it after. You could not fly a FAX before (simply because it didn't exist) so you will not be able to fly it after, unless you buy the book. Can you link where CCP have said this.
I don't think they literally said anywhere that you will need to train a new skill for a new ship. They should not need to say that, to be honest.
Edit: although, in the latest o7 show I think someone said they were excited for the race for the new FAX skills, so theres that. Believe me, you won't just get FAX V in the same way you didn't get Command Destroyer V or Tactical Destroyer V when they were introduced. |
Pix Severus
Empty You
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:27:22 -
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Poddington Bare wrote:Not sure if you're aware but something has shaved a stripe right up the middle of your head.
Not sure if you're aware but you're absolutely gorgeous.
My lord.
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kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:29:09 -
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Neuntausend wrote:kahn liam wrote:Mister Ripley wrote:If you could fly it before, you can fly it now Do you have the dev blog for this. I haven't been able to find any thing on it, but I've heard from several sources that they are introducing the fax skill book before releasing it because they decided to make everyone train it instead of giving any who could fly it before the ability to fly it after fax are released. Maybe you misunderstood, so let me explain it: You could fly a Carrier before, and you will be able to fly it after. You could not fly a FAX before (simply because it didn't exist) so you will not be able to fly it after, unless you buy the book. This rule was effective when battlecruisers were split up into racial skills: You could fly a ferox, brutix, cyclone and prophecy before the change, so you could fly them after as well. It's different with FAX, simply because they are completely new ships.
That doesn't explain anything. Here let me show you why. I could fly a triage before, I can't fly a triage after. I get that fax is a new ship and I didn't have it before. That doesn't change the fact that they added a new ship that removed my ability to continue flying a ship I'd already trained everything to 5 for. Despite it being a new ship, it should follow the same philosophy since the new ship is replacing the role of a preexisting ship. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:30:16 -
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Triage is a role, not a ship. There are no skill books for roles. |
kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:34:26 -
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Funny I thought the combination of tactical logistics and carrier skills allowed my to fly triage. I must be mistaken. Well I will be soon because that combination is being switched. What about the people that only trained carriers to use triage. What's the point of those wasted skills now? |
Hound Halfhand
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:34:34 -
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Stop whining. I'm sure CCP will give us a free remap. Or you can break out the credit card and buy a bunch of injectors. Now we at least know what is going to happen.
On the flip side if CCP did give out millions of free SP everyone would just sell them. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:37:26 -
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kahn liam wrote:Funny I thought the combination of tactical logistics and carrier skills allowed my to fly triage. I must be mistaken. Well I will be soon because that combination is being switched. What about the people that only trained carriers to use triage. What's the point of those wasted skills now?
Other ships have been nerfed before, even to the point where they became completely obsolete for many players. CCP never gave out the skills for whichever ships replaced them. Get over it. |
kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:41:20 -
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Hound Halfhand wrote:Stop whining. I'm sure CCP will give us a free remap. Or you can break out the credit card and buy a bunch of injectors. Now we at least know what is going to happen.
On the flip side if CCP did give out millions of free SP everyone would just sell them.
Stop whining? Myself and many others have had a skill jacked out from under them. I'd say that has some merit to complain about. And I do care about this alot hence why I'm "complaining", despite how much I care I refuse to support the money grab scam ccp calls skill extractors. |
kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:44:19 -
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Neuntausend wrote:kahn liam wrote:Funny I thought the combination of tactical logistics and carrier skills allowed my to fly triage. I must be mistaken. Well I will be soon because that combination is being switched. What about the people that only trained carriers to use triage. What's the point of those wasted skills now? Other ships have been nerfed before, even to the point where they became completely obsolete for many players. CCP never gave out the skills for whichever ships replaced them. Get over it.
Ships being nerfed is not the same as completely removing a role from a ship and putting it on a completely new ship. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:45:01 -
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kahn liam wrote:Stop whining? Myself and many others have had a skill jacked out from under them.
No, that's just you spinning things your way. You will keep the racial carrier skill, you will still be able to fly carriers, but carriers are getting nerfed. It has happened to about every ship in Eve at this point, and it will happen again. If you have not gotten used to that, it's about time.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:46:30 -
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kahn liam wrote:Ships being nerfed is not the same as completely removing a role from a ship and putting it on a completely new ship.
But it is. The Drake used to have the role of a mainline doctrine DPS ship. Nowadays it barely has any role at all. Did the drake pilots get any compensation? No, they hardened the **** up and trained something else. |
Memphis Baas
1055
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:46:58 -
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Calm down, they haven't announced their plans for reimbursing your carrier, triage, and fighters skills yet.
They HAVE TO seed the skill on the market so that it's available for use, and it doesn't hurt anyone if they seed it early.
Simply don't buy it yet and wait for them to announce what they'll do with the carrier / triage / fighters skills for people who have trained them already. |
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1360
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:48:52 -
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The new ships aren't replacing carriers, so it wouldn't make any sense for you to just get these huge skills for free. Ship roles get changed all the time and have been changed and reshuffled so many times over the years, and no-one has ever gotten a completely new skill trained to 5 for free. Just because it happens to be the capital ships this time doesn't suddenly change that. The carriers will become a drone platform and if you want to fly the dedicated logi capitals you can start training that skill right now. Good luck!
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kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:49:09 -
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Neuntausend wrote:kahn liam wrote:Ships being nerfed is not the same as completely removing a role from a ship and putting it on a completely new ship. But it is. The Drake used to have the role of a mainline doctrine DPS ship. Nowadays it barely has any role at all. Did the drake pilots get any compensation? No, they hardened the **** up and trained something else.
You've got to be joking. That's called a nerf, that isn't completely removing a ship defining role that only that line of ship can fill.... |
kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:50:39 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:The new ships aren't replacing carriers, so it wouldn't make any sense for you to just get these huge skills for free. Ship roles get changed all the time and have been changed and reshuffled so many times over the years, and no-one has ever gotten a completely new skill trained to 5 for free. Just because it happens to be the capital ships this time doesn't suddenly change that. The carriers will become a drone platform and if you want to fly the dedicated logi capitals you can start training that skill right now. Good luck!
This isn't true at all. I got 8 free skills on all of my accounts when they changed BC and destroyer skills to be racial. |
kahn liam
Hungry Penguin Warriors
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:52:18 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Calm down, they haven't announced their plans for reimbursing your carrier, triage, and fighters skills yet.
They HAVE TO seed the skill on the market so that it's available for use, and it doesn't hurt anyone if they seed it early.
Simply don't buy it yet and wait for them to announce what they'll do with the carrier / triage / fighters skills for people who have trained them already.
Thank you for posting something with constructive info. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2016.02.07 00:52:40 -
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kahn liam wrote:Neuntausend wrote:kahn liam wrote:Ships being nerfed is not the same as completely removing a role from a ship and putting it on a completely new ship. But it is. The Drake used to have the role of a mainline doctrine DPS ship. Nowadays it barely has any role at all. Did the drake pilots get any compensation? No, they hardened the **** up and trained something else. You've got to be joking. That's called a nerf, that isn't completely removing a ship defining role that only that line of ship can fill....
The result is the same. You can still put Remote Reps on your carrier, as far as I understand it. They will just be ****, quite like the Drake. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.07 01:08:38 -
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kahn liam wrote:You've got to be joking. That's called a nerf, that isn't completely removing a ship defining role that only that line of ship can fill.... Have you read the carriers dev blog? They're creating a whole new unique role: your carrier becomes its own RTS-like fleet; you have visual control over the map and can produce (launch) and control your "units" (squadrons) and they have special abilities, plus your ship can reinforce them with its special ability.
Frankly, playing your own RTS vs. sitting in a primary target weaponless ship trying to comply with everyone's demands to repair them... I don't understand why people would even want to fly faux'es.
From my point of view CCP should give you the skill for free, just to entice you to pick up the ship.
Seriously, every other MMO out there has evolved its healers to give them DPS respecs and even change the "healing" gameplay to be involved and not whack-a-mole.
Meanwhile, in EVE... you don't even get on any killmails, FFS. NO WEAPONS. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
1931
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Posted - 2016.02.07 01:26:21 -
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I'll quote CCP Lebowski, speaking on this issue elsewhere:
CCP Lebowski wrote:Speculation overload! All will be explained in our upcoming dev blog, stay tuned.
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ArmyOfMe
BANISHED. The WeHurt Initiative
579
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Posted - 2016.02.07 01:46:51 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I'll quote CCP Lebowski, speaking on this issue elsewhere: CCP Lebowski wrote:Speculation overload! All will be explained in our upcoming dev blog, stay tuned.
Let me guess, you guys are planing another boot.ini to focus players rage on something else?
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Azusa Asara
Asara Corporation
12
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Posted - 2016.02.07 02:54:17 -
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If you can fly it now, you can fly it after....
So then make it so people can fly the Triage FAX ships, but no longer the regular carriers that will be something different? Eh? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1801
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Posted - 2016.02.07 03:25:14 -
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kahn liam wrote:I admittedly haven't been able to find the dev blog to confirm this but the way I understand it is that instead of sticking with the policy of "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now", they are seeding a fax skill book and making everyone train fax before they can fly triage.
Am I the only person outraged by this as much as the scandoulous roll out of the skill extractors prices? I've already trained carrier five in order to have a good triage pilot. How is this flying by everyone that they're having a skill just taken right out from under them?
Is there anyone that has more information on why they chose to do this? The tin foil hat in me thinks they did it to encourage people to invest in these skill extractors in order to train triage in a reasonable amount of time, but that's just speculation. Regardless, I had been under the impression that this whole time they had been intending on rolling out fax so anyone with previous triage capability would be able to fly them right away. Is there any info out there on why they changed it up this? I for one think it's complete BS.
I feel like posts like this would be much more useful if the people who posted them weren't always such unmitigated tools.
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