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Neuntausend
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Posted - 2016.02.25 02:07:21 -
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Dart Aurel wrote:There are 2 questions regarding windows switching policy points: 1. Is it prohibited to have 2 clients open and visible each on its own monitor? 2. I play EVE Online under Linux + Wine. Also I have tiled WM (xmonad) which allows to switch windows really fast (<50ms delay). Is this fair use or is it an exploit?
I am in that same boat.
Here are some examples for 1.:
http://i.imgur.com/PddMsja.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MsqLlZo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/dPSFxnO.jpg
Although only one uses "overlays" (or 9000 hours of mspaint, actually), they all "allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows" so I have to assume all three are a breach of the EULA?
As for 2. - All things GNU Linux are probably 3rd party software most of you don't know a lot about. The X Server, open source graphics drivers and window managers all influence how the eve client looks and where it shows up on my screen(s). So ... danger zone as well? |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.25 02:52:14 -
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Proxay wrote:I hope CCP can have someone just say outright: "1 is not okay, 2 and 3 are fine". Because 1 is utilising overlaying **** to make it so you can click through without changing clients, whereas 2 and 3 are separate clients that you're interacting with. I'd be fine with this, except for one thing: If that is what they mean, why don't they put that into their effing rules the way they mean it?
Because, if you lawyer the **** out of the EULA the way it is written now, basically everything you can do in Eve is technically a bannable offense, which is downright stupid. One of my favourites is this one:
"You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above."
If that is so, what the deuce is the market, the trade window and the contract system for? |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.25 03:17:46 -
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Proxay wrote:This is legal ****, legal **** is meant to mean "WE WIN EVERY TIME EVERYWHERE", selective enforcement is what counts, how they use it, etc.
Welp - I just got triggered, I guess.
You are completely right of course. I just can't stand obvious hypocrisy. If you are going to be insincere, at least try to not be so obvious about it. As it currently stands they could write "Whatever you do we may or may not tolerate. We can ban you at any point for any reason we pull out of our ass" into the EULA and not change the content.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.25 03:30:32 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Also the graph, it's not just useless, it's wrong. Their ban and EULA enforcement policies are clearly designed to achieve a log reduction in RMT, but they only predict a gradual linear reduction? A linear reduction is the result you get when the RMT'ers get bored of how much they're making and gradually move to other games.
It's meant as a joke.
At least, I hope it's meant as a joke
Oh god, please let it be meant as a joke! |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.25 03:35:56 -
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Proxay wrote:The good thing is, CCP is a business that makes games for profit. They follow money and love customers. We're customers, and right/wrong they're gonna wanna keep getting those dank RL bucks. I bet they do. I'll just keep believing then.
Fake Edit: CCP is a company that made ONE game they mysteriously turned into a profit.There, FTFY |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.25 04:58:52 -
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Spcius Patrouette wrote:15 pages. still no response from CCP. cool.
Have you ever dealt with CCPs support?
This is Eve, dude. Have patience! They will respond eventually. Maybe. In a few weeks, or so. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.27 08:42:18 -
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Ok. That's a response at least.
CCP Grimmi wrote:We do not necessarily need to differentiate between different systems. If the logs show activity that should not be possible through normal means, we will take action.
Please define "normal means". Because, that's kind of what the question is about. If we use the client as shipped, and we use our operating system as shipped to create an overlay - is that "normal" or is it not?
And while you are at it, please define "ordinary Game play" and "transfer of "content appearing within the Game environment" means.
Because pretty much everything in the EULA and your explanations hinges on terms like that. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.27 19:22:36 -
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On a different note - while the effort taken to clear up the obscure phrasing in the EULA in the forums is certainly appreciated, I would like to point out that most players will certainly not dig through a 20 page thread to figure out what the EULA means.
I would take a bet and say that most players have not even read the EULA, but those who did should be able to tell what they may or may not do without digging up old dev posts. |
Neuntausend
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Posted - 2016.02.28 07:54:32 -
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Ok, now this thread has gone from voicing at least somewhat serious concerns to completely silly quarreling. |
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