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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.04 02:06:12 -
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I've joined with my main to one of the nullsec blocks and thought I'll have some good time have some action and basically I wanted to see how it is to be a part of player owned internet space empire.
In one word > boring. In one long word > Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring.
Just let's be honest here I won't specify names or any specific I'll just share my general experience.
In general the null plebeians lives in extremely boring space, it's mostly empty and except for 1-2 systems here and there in most systems there isn't a single living soul. As a result in order to meet someone and partake in proper shooting between space station one need to be prepared to jump loads of systems.
I overall in 24 hours since moved to my new null system jumped somewhere between 60 to 100 jumps just inside the null region. It's sucks the life out of me. In the few years I played eve I never had to jump so much.
At any rate all trade hubs are more expensive in margin of around 10-20% which is respectable but you can feel the lack of variety. on the Jita\Amarr\Dixie line of trade hubs one can get anything he wants in competitive price. In null it's challenge to find something, one must trust in contracts set by your alliance.
At any rate seems most null dwellers are worst then high sec isoboxer miners. I never seen a "less" enthusiast group of players in my life.
I'll explain, In the beginning I did highsec pve missions and such. My old corp used to make frigate and cruiser sized roams into low sec and we had some action then came back. then I switch to mining and even then when pvp arrived at our doorstep we stood and fight. Then I tried FW in lowsec and over there people actively went out and searched for fights, ones found each duel was to the death (as everyone carried points and webs etc...).
In null... oh it's painful. everyone hides. like bunch of scared puppies.
It started with fleet ops I've joined where I had to sit and look on boring ass titan parking maneuver. after 40 minutes fleet dispersed and I had to jump 15 systems back to my home base. on the way inside allied space I've noticed a warp scram deployable and some hostiles on the area. As I was alone I reported in intel channel and after 20 minutes no one came they just avoided the system. I started shooting the warp scram until it almost pop'd and only then the owner had the dignity to come out and fight my glorious t1 frigate with his Dictor. seriously... fricking dictor vs t1 frig show some balls.
After taking the Pod Express back to the station I started scouting around while being in the "militia" fleet of that region I was in and while participating in intel channel.
Every turn of the way when we had eyes on enemies the Null dwellers just tailed and ran away. It was disgraceful. I mean... it's a game. A pvp game. the whole point is take ships and shoot other ships.
At any rate after 2 hours of that chicken mentality showed by the local dwellers I decided to take some heavy tanked ratting ship and sit in a plex and rat while I wait for decent fight... FINALLY! someone had the decency to fight and I was tackled in the plex. While still in the "militia fleet" there were another 4-5 fleet members in same system with me + over 10 other pilots in the system. Once I shared intel and told the fleet I got intruder on me and invited everyone to warp to my location in order to share the festivities.. what is the first thing they all did?
Docked.
The fricking cowherds docked and hide in the station.
Overall we had tonight 3 roaming gangs, fleet of stealth bombers and entire fleet of campers camping on the fricking base.. home station inside the home system of that alliance I joined to.
even then meager 10 pilots managed to subdue the flow of operations of gigantic thousands members corps which is member in alliance which hold significant area of space.
Then I ask on my corp chat wtf is going on and why my old mining corp had more balls then them, Then I was told those roaming people just look for easy kills (dafuc easy kills mid capital system of a space empire) and they just dock and bore them to death until they will leave them alone.
you see, those lovely null dwellers spend most of their time ratting in one of the 30-40 plexes spawning in their systems or eve... hold it... mining! in 5-10 alts mining fleets.
24 hours and over 60 jumps I didn't encounter any significant battle. everything was pure hide and seek, pure chicken **** tactics and in all truth... after watching the online videos of those "epic battles" and reading about how nullsec empires are awesome it's plain boring. it's worse then highsec as in highsec you can actually get more proper fights while having access to proper trade hubs and access to more activities then in null. Also I was extremely disappointed with that defeatist mentality of the local dwellers.
TL;DR why highsec miners have bigger balls then nullsec dwellers? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5806
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Posted - 2016.03.04 02:08:56 -
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Welcome to the blue doughnut. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
907
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Posted - 2016.03.04 02:13:48 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Welcome to the blue doughnut. /thread |
Lee Maulerant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2016.03.04 02:37:25 -
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Forum Toon wrote:cowherds
This made my morning, thank you
Anyway, I have to agree, I've gone out looking around for a little scrap in a simple T1 fit Executioner on my old character, spent over a 2 hours looking around for a fight and found one single pilot, me in a T1 frigate, the other person in a Sacrilege HAC.
Now before I talk about how he didn't have an MwD I'll talk about how his yellowboxing scared the hell out of me, so there I was, floating around just using my simple compact AB zapping at him with lasers, he finally targets me after 10-15 seconds of zappings, then simply approaches a stargate and jumps. It was probably the most terrifying yet exhilarating experience of my life!
Seriously, a HAC doesn't want to step up to a tier ONE frigate because I want a fight.
I won't judge though, I'll bide my time and wait for a good 1v1, patience is a virtue |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
207
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Posted - 2016.03.04 03:28:37 -
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Have to agree Was in providence with 4th They imposed a strict do t shoot reds or talk to reds in local
I left soon as I could after that.
They waste no time shooting at me when I'm in local though! Hopefully they dropped that silly rule |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
665
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Posted - 2016.03.04 03:46:49 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Welcome to the blue doughnut. Yup.
Low is now much more active for fights than its ever been, its cheap and quick and if you need to step afk for a moment docking up isnt an issue as a pirate. Null is a very different beast. All areas of Eve offer different things tbh though and CCP has changed a lot over the years as have the player base.
Imam: Have you heard anything I've said?
Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
Imam: That's right.
Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.03.04 03:53:37 -
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Lee Maulerant wrote:Seriously, a HAC doesn't want to step up to a tier ONE frigate because I want a fight. Maybe because a solo t1 frigate trying to agress a HAC just screams cyno bait?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
697
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Posted - 2016.03.04 04:57:31 -
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I can't complain.
And I'd wager that highsec miners don't have bigger balls, but just don't know any better.
Edit: Grr, Goons! |
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
926
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Posted - 2016.03.04 05:07:08 -
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Go to Querious. It's one of the most violent regions, and an example of sov actually working, because it is made by and for fun-havers.
Null mechanics are still in dire need of revision because avoidance is still the optimal strategy.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM XI
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
697
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Posted - 2016.03.04 05:09:55 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Null mechanics are still in dire need of revision because avoidance is still the optimal strategy.
There's definitely some truth in that. |
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Cristl
366
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Posted - 2016.03.04 05:24:09 -
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Cowherds eating blue donuts. Happy Friday everyone :) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6952
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Posted - 2016.03.04 05:42:01 -
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Good thing you didn't get dropped on.
CCP Grimmi: With all players on a single server and in direct competition with each other even your trade and industry activities are PvP.
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Pandora Bokks
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:06:37 -
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Sounds like your main joined SMA |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
197
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:39:05 -
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null sec best sec
Also grrr goons. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3505
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:52:54 -
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try lowsec
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3628
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:53:33 -
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Sounds like you joined a crappy group, or haven't gotten to know who to fly with in it.
You also pretty clearly suck at hunting if you couldn't get fights. Yes, people tend to bail when the situation looks dicey - the trick is not letting it look dicey, or making their likely bail route into a trap. T1 frigates ******* SCREAM "I AM A CYNO", never ever presume you look harmless in one.
Also, the most fun I had in EVE was in null, and I've lived pretty much everywhere in EVE. Granted, when I lived in null, **** was going down - it was between the rise of TEST / final fall of BoB and the Delve war. Null gets incredibly exciting when major powers have conflicting interests and decide to start ******* with each other, at least when both parties are competent. CFC vs PL&Co was much more fun than TEST vs -A-. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3628
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:58:11 -
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Darth Terona wrote:Have to agree Was in providence with 4th They imposed a strict do t shoot reds or talk to reds in local
I left soon as I could after that.
They waste no time shooting at me when I'm in local though! Hopefully they dropped that silly rule
Providence is basically highsec. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4833
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Posted - 2016.03.04 07:53:43 -
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Forum Toon wrote:(...)
Every turn of the way when we had eyes on enemies the Null dwellers just tailed and ran away. It was disgraceful. I mean... it's a game. A pvp game. the whole point is take ships and shoot other ships. (...).
Bolded your mistake -it's a pretty common one. World of Tanks is a PvP game. League of Legends is a PvP game. DUST 514 is a PvP game.
EVE is a sandbox, and inside the sandbox, PvE outnumbers PvP massively and on every scale. Nullbears are just the spoiled top of the pyramid, enjoying the best everything but not doing that much PvP after all.
Quote:TL;DR why highsec miners have bigger balls then nullsec dwellers?
Being a highsec miner is a challenge. Only a few succeed to beat it. It is boring. It is barely rewarding. It implies being despised, scorend and ignored by CCP. It is the backbone of the sandbox and its success is to be as invisible as a perfect administration.
Nobody notices when there's water on the tap, power on the outlet and trashcans are empty. Same in EVE, nobody notices when minerals are affordable and ships are cheap.
And yet without all the invisible heroes who spend hours F1'in rocks, exposed to a gank or a wardec, EVE would not be.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
409
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:09:57 -
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I must admit, OP managed to produce the longest post in eve forums, that I was willing to read. Usually I do not read post with more, than 200 words, but here I did. So OP succeed.
From my point of view null is a very special place to live, not to PvP. Just as a wromhole. Live often means PvP but not necessary. You want PvP - go into FW. There is so many systems, where 2-3 minutes in novice will get you fight, sometimes even fair one. You need to feel, that you have a place called your home, something to build and defend etc - you can try this null sov games. Even parking titan for 40 minutes can be meaningfull than, IMHO. Jump clones allow you to do whatever you want to do pretty comfortable.
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
219
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:41:29 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: ...to be as invisible as a perfect administration. I really like this line. I like it so much, I'm going to allow a decent interval before I steal it.
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn
476
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:53:48 -
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joined the wrong nullsec block my incognito friend.
Having a blast and racking up the kills and isk.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Chalkias Bosphorus
The Pleiadians Justice League of Space
5
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Posted - 2016.03.04 11:32:46 -
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There are %5 players in Null sec. But all %5 want you to die.
That is the difference. |
Commander Spurty
Moosearmy I N F A M O U S
1611
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:19:05 -
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Chalkias Bosphorus wrote:There are %5 players in Null sec. But all %5 want you to die.
That is the difference.
Except when you're blue to 4% of them *SNORK*
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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DrugsDen
Temple of Swords Warped Intentions
8
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:47:34 -
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This game is so much more then crap pvp pvp is just a very small part of the game a lot of ppl dont even play eve for pvp pvp is dead its 10 v 1 nowdays so a waste of time |
Lee Maulerant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2016.03.04 13:01:28 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Lee Maulerant wrote:Seriously, a HAC doesn't want to step up to a tier ONE frigate because I want a fight. Maybe because a solo t1 frigate trying to agress a HAC just screams cyno bait?
It's a fair point, but nonetheless, he would've flattened me easily with 2-3 volleys even with an AB active, assuming he has the appropriate skills to pilot one, which I'm assuming he had since he was willing to lose it.
You know what they say, only fly what you can afford to lose. So there you go, I'm cheap. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13766
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:05:15 -
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WTF did I just read?
The real problem isn't null (I had a blast last night running plexes and killing a bunch of DARKNESS Hurricanes, and for once I didn't die), it's the preconceived notions of the OP (notions he spent not even on day trying to dispel). If one needs easy access to markets and instant gratification, why would you go to sov null?
Over the last 8 years I've tried numerous times to live in low sec. It just hasn't worked out, I'm fundamentally unsuited to that kind of game life. I can do wormholes, both types of null and high sec, but low just rubs me the wrong way. The difference between my experience and what the OP vomited here is that I understand that it's my temperament and preferences that are my issue with low, not that "low sec sucks" or some such. Plenty of people live in low sec and enjoy it. |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
216
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:12:32 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:WTF did I just read?
The real problem isn't null (I had a blast last night running plexes and killing a bunch of DARKNESS Hurricanes, and for once I didn't die), it's the preconceived notions of the OP (notions he spent not even on day trying to dispel). If one needs easy access to markets and instant gratification, why would you go to sov null.
Over the last 8 years I've tried numerous times to live in low sec. It just hasn't worked out, I'm fundamentally unsuited to that kind of game life. I can do wormholes, both types of null and high sec, but low just rubs me the wrong way. The difference between my experience and what the OP vomited here is that I understand that it's my temperament and preferences that are my issue with low, not that "low sec sucks" or some such. Plenty of people live in low sec and enjoy it.
fair point. the problem ia with this game most of the time playing solo is boring when its pvp. mostly pvp is not for soloists its a team sport. ezploration mining missions are all solo pvp really isnt |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2016.03.04 16:31:30 -
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some of you forget that you face 3 choices, 1. try to play with other people in a team, which fails miserably most of the times as people for some reason afraid to undock. 2. Try to solo, which might be boring due to game mechanics of jumping between giant systems and trying to find someone. 3. dock in the station and spin your ship. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17528
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Posted - 2016.03.04 16:35:14 -
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Forum Toon wrote:I've joined with my main to one of the nullsec blocks and thought I'll have some good time have some action and basically I wanted to see how it is to be a part of player owned internet space empire.
In one word > boring. In one long word > Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring.
Just let's be honest here I won't specify names or any specific I'll just share my general experience.
In general the null plebeians lives in extremely boring space, it's mostly empty and except for 1-2 systems here and there in most systems there isn't a single living soul. As a result in order to meet someone and partake in proper shooting between space station one need to be prepared to jump loads of systems.
I overall in 24 hours since moved to my new null system jumped somewhere between 60 to 100 jumps just inside the null region. It's sucks the life out of me. In the few years I played eve I never had to jump so much.
At any rate all trade hubs are more expensive in margin of around 10-20% which is respectable but you can feel the lack of variety. on the Jita\Amarr\Dixie line of trade hubs one can get anything he wants in competitive price. In null it's challenge to find something, one must trust in contracts set by your alliance.
At any rate seems most null dwellers are worst then high sec isoboxer miners. I never seen a "less" enthusiast group of players in my life.
I'll explain, In the beginning I did highsec pve missions and such. My old corp used to make frigate and cruiser sized roams into low sec and we had some action then came back. then I switch to mining and even then when pvp arrived at our doorstep we stood and fight. Then I tried FW in lowsec and over there people actively went out and searched for fights, ones found each duel was to the death (as everyone carried points and webs etc...).
In null... oh it's painful. everyone hides. like bunch of scared puppies.
It started with fleet ops I've joined where I had to sit and look on boring ass titan parking maneuver. after 40 minutes fleet dispersed and I had to jump 15 systems back to my home base. on the way inside allied space I've noticed a warp scram deployable and some hostiles on the area. As I was alone I reported in intel channel and after 20 minutes no one came they just avoided the system. I started shooting the warp scram until it almost pop'd and only then the owner had the dignity to come out and fight my glorious t1 frigate with his Dictor. seriously... fricking dictor vs t1 frig show some balls.
After taking the Pod Express back to the station I started scouting around while being in the "militia" fleet of that region I was in and while participating in intel channel.
Every turn of the way when we had eyes on enemies the Null dwellers just tailed and ran away. It was disgraceful. I mean... it's a game. A pvp game. the whole point is take ships and shoot other ships.
At any rate after 2 hours of that chicken mentality showed by the local dwellers I decided to take some heavy tanked ratting ship and sit in a plex and rat while I wait for decent fight... FINALLY! someone had the decency to fight and I was tackled in the plex. While still in the "militia fleet" there were another 4-5 fleet members in same system with me + over 10 other pilots in the system. Once I shared intel and told the fleet I got intruder on me and invited everyone to warp to my location in order to share the festivities.. what is the first thing they all did?
Docked.
The fricking cowherds docked and hide in the station.
Overall we had tonight 3 roaming gangs, fleet of stealth bombers and entire fleet of campers camping on the fricking base.. home station inside the home system of that alliance I joined to.
even then meager 10 pilots managed to subdue the flow of operations of gigantic thousands members corps which is member in alliance which hold significant area of space.
Then I ask on my corp chat wtf is going on and why my old mining corp had more balls then them, Then I was told those roaming people just look for easy kills (dafuc easy kills mid capital system of a space empire) and they just dock and bore them to death until they will leave them alone.
you see, those lovely null dwellers spend most of their time ratting in one of the 30-40 plexes spawning in their systems or eve... hold it... mining! in 5-10 alts mining fleets.
24 hours and over 60 jumps I didn't encounter any significant battle. everything was pure hide and seek, pure chicken **** tactics and in all truth... after watching the online videos of those "epic battles" and reading about how nullsec empires are awesome it's plain boring. it's worse then highsec as in highsec you can actually get more proper fights while having access to proper trade hubs and access to more activities then in null. Also I was extremely disappointed with that defeatist mentality of the local dwellers.
TL;DR why highsec miners have bigger balls then nullsec dwellers?
Sorry you joined a bunch of bads. It happens, no denying it. But one group isn't the same as the whole of 0.0
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
297
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Posted - 2016.03.04 16:48:45 -
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Null was underwhelming in my experience too. And the alliance I was in lacked a JF service. IMO We were the target audience for fozziesov.. Then they nerfed how many wormhole connections there were in null and it became way too tough to do anything out there.
@lunettelulu7
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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
930
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Posted - 2016.03.04 18:56:05 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Providence is basically highsec.
If I could pick one thing from this and make it true, I'd have to be making covert cynos legal in Hi Sec. Good-Bye Wardec Menace!
Lulu Lunette wrote:Null was underwhelming in my experience too. And the alliance I was in lacked a JF service. IMO We were the target audience for fozziesov.. Then they nerfed how many wormhole connections there were in null and it became way too tough to do anything out there.
Have you looked at any Querious alliances? I personally do the logistics for my alliance. If you want to have fun in null, there either has to be an NPC station in the region or nearby, or freeports, otherwise the only fights you will ever really get involved with are another person's war, for their reasons.
Which again is the main problem with the nullsec design, at least the sov-null space design; space is either so remote and so safe that it is good for making money, but useless for anything else - all rats no fights, or so accessible and dangerous that it is useless for making money but great for battle. Basically to have fun in sov, you have to make your money where you don't live.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM XI
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Demica Diaz
SE-1
247
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:09:00 -
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Cool kids live in low sec, day trip in null sec and do their trade in high sec. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2646
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:30:57 -
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Can we find out who OP joined? |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
699
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:34:13 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Can we find out who OP joined?
Nobody, I suppose. He just felt like ranting a bit. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11086
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:58:43 -
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DrugsDen wrote:This game is so much more then crap pvp pvp is just a very small part of the game a lot of ppl dont even play eve for pvp pvp is dead its 10 v 1 nowdays so a waste of time
Full stops or, indeed, any punctuation of any sort, are also apparently a waste of time these days.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2646
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Posted - 2016.03.04 20:02:24 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Can we find out who OP joined? Nobody, I suppose. He just felt like ranting a bit. Edit: Assuming he's not lying, he must have been with the Imperium. He's talking about 0.0 empires and corps with "thousands" of members. There aren't that many of those around these days that fit into both categories. Probably Karmafleet, they recruit everybody.
If it's Karmafleet, it means he was in north Dek which is pretty much empty so nobody really care to save ratters. For PvP, he should of went to the deployment area... |
Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
6
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Posted - 2016.03.04 20:24:45 -
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Lowsec is where it is at . |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
299
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Posted - 2016.03.04 20:31:20 -
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Not Querious but close, Fountain once.
I lasted about 19 hours, right click trashed the mining barge they gave me and quit corp.
They sounded good in their recruitment channel.
@lunettelulu7
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
216
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Posted - 2016.03.04 21:47:16 -
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Seems like OP should have done his research and joined a PvP alliance. |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2016.03.04 21:53:09 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:Seems like OP should have done his research and joined a PvP alliance.
well they said they have pvp fleets and that I'll be able to join "militia" fleets which are coordinated on intel channel in order to defend the corp's space.
In truth after 4 hours that evening the only action I got... or let's say... the only interaction with another player which I've got was only when I got suicidal and went into great lengths in order to find someone to fight with.
The whole "moving to null" for me at list was to be part of something big, to join those big ass fleets and get the "I was there" vibe.
in truth I felt like I'm surrounded with pve'rs which cares nothing for good fight.
I think I might need to migrate into faction warfare maybe and see how's it going there this days. |
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
216
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:03:36 -
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Forum Toon wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:Seems like OP should have done his research and joined a PvP alliance. well they said they have pvp fleets and that I'll be able to join "militia" fleets which are coordinated on intel channel in order to defend the corp's space. In truth after 4 hours that evening the only action I got... or let's say... the only interaction with another player which I've got was only when I got suicidal and went into great lengths in order to find someone to fight with. The whole "moving to null" for me at list was to be part of something big, to join those big ass fleets and get the "I was there" vibe. in truth I felt like I'm surrounded with pve'rs which cares nothing for good fight. I think I might need to migrate into faction warfare maybe and see how's it going there this days.
Or you could not join Goons and join a null sec alliance that actually PvPs. Everyone says they have fleets, not everyone actually does. You need to look at the activity of the FCs and corps in the alliance. That's where you need to do your homework to get the right match. Also, one evening does not give any real indication of an alliances activity. A Monday evening in the AU timezone in my alliance will be slow but there will be two or three pings for fleets in the EU and US timezone.
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
141
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:23:44 -
[42] - Quote
Blobbin' 'n blappin'.. dat be da namez of da gamez now guvenuh.
skill.. strategy.. reasons to log in.... all have parted ways with Tranquility. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
701
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:55:17 -
[43] - Quote
Forum Toon wrote:good fight
Yeah. Many (not all, mind you) players in 0.0 powerblocs aren't looking for those as much as they are playing to win. You kind of need to do that in order to build something big for you to be part of and to have the big battles that give you the "I was there" vibe. "Good fights" aren't the big "I was there" types of battles. "Good fights" are the ones that don't matter, the ones nobody cares about later and the ones where it absolutely doesn't matter if "I was there" or not. "Good fights" are the ones you have for fun, not for an objective.
That being said - You can still get the good fights you are looking for in nullsec, but it really depends where you look for them. There are stretches of lowsec as well where nothing happens ever, and the only people who are there are either quadruple warp core stabbed while orbiting a beacon or will safe up as soon as anyone enters local, and if you've ever wardecced a random corp in highsec with your single low SP alt and watched it disband in front of your eyes, you'll know that risk aversion is pretty common, no matter where you go in Eve.
And does it really surprise you, that ratters or miners just minding their own business don't jump at your command when you are trying to **** with them? Of course they will dock up and do something else or hop into another clone and just continue ratting at the far end of the region.
I don't know how it works over at whichever blob you joined. We, however, have a variety of special interest groups within the alliance that specialize in some fields. If I feel like dropping bombers, I fly with a crowd that does that. If I feel like running anoms all day and get filthy rich, there's a group for that as well. In a coalition of several thousand people, you can't expect everyone to share your interests and undock whenever you feel like doing something. You'll have to figure out where the guys that do stuff you are interested in hang out and hook up with them.
And if flying with other people isn't your cup of tea, what the hell are you doing in a nullsec blob?
TL;DR: I don't know which nullsec blob you joined, and I am not convinced you joined one at all, but if what you are saying is actually true, you are probably doing it wrong. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3629
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:58:56 -
[44] - Quote
Demica Diaz wrote:Cool kids live in low sec, day trip in null sec and do their trade in high sec.
Lowsec is where failed alliances go to die in my experience. |
Robert Sawyer
The Vendunari End of Life
91
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Posted - 2016.03.05 00:14:07 -
[45] - Quote
Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?
Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.
"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2016.03.05 00:16:13 -
[46] - Quote
Robert Sawyer wrote:Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?
Exactly this.
well said. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3629
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Posted - 2016.03.05 01:01:38 -
[47] - Quote
Robert Sawyer wrote:Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?
Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.
Fozzie sov removed all incentive for people to actually commit resources to taking space. But the people out in null are most certainly not "a bunch of PvE-ers" - I saw far more skirmishing and small battles in null than I ever saw in low (but I flew with a great group and we stuck to densely populated areas). That, and large battles were very, very common back when I was out there. All they have to do is implement a half-decent sov system that requires real investment to take space (alongside reasons to do so besides moongoo) and they'll be back. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
702
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Posted - 2016.03.05 03:51:44 -
[48] - Quote
Robert Sawyer wrote:Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.
Right, don't believe the trailers. B-R5RB was exciting and all, and so was Z9PP-H/J5A-IX/6VDT-H, which was about half a year before. But wars of that scale are far and inbetween. And that's actually a good thing - they get boring very quickly. Also, a big part of what makes those battles exciting for me are the implications and consequences, not so much the fighting itself. If we had a battle like that every couple of weeks just for the heck of it, they'd lose all meaning.
Inbetween those, it's pretty much always a cold war. Has been even before the Halloween War or the Fountain War.
But those stalemates are the perfect time to go and get the Gudftes, if you want. You just have to go and make them yourselves, because there's no artificial conflict driver like there is in Factional Warfare. Not everybody is into pointless Gudfites, and I think that's completely fine, but if you are, you just need to find a bunch of likeminded people to have them with. You can certainly find those in most 0.0 Alliances.
If you go look for fights, don't do so in capital systems. You will likely not find them there. People won't form up to fend against random roaming gangs in their capital system, mainly because it's strategically pointless (unless it's an actual invasion/headshot attempt). Most people in the capital are usually just afk, the rest are traders/haulers or people reshipping, so they can do something fun elsewhere. They also don't want to attract roaming gangs to their capital by regularly providing them with Gudfites. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
534
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Posted - 2016.03.05 04:18:03 -
[49] - Quote
Forum Toon wrote:In one word > boring. In one long word > Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring.
Your major mistake was joining a 0.0 alliance in the expectation that someone would then hold your hand and spoonfeed you content on-demand.
Yes, there's lot of tedium involved in 0.0 sov warfare, it has ever been thus.
Yes, you will sometimes fleet up and stare at a Titan for 45 minutes or more then get stood down.
It happens. Deal with it.
The FC in charge of that fleet was attempting to generate content and said content was less than amenable to playing along.
Your second mistake was failing to install a jump clone in your current alliance or coalition staging system. I rat and do my PI in an out of the way place (actually, I do this in a WH, but I used to do it in 0.0). When the jabber pings start coming thick and fast, dock up, jump clone to staging system, fleet up. When your done, death-clone back to your home-system and continue.
Instead of whinging that there's no content, how about you make an effort to create some? It can be as simple as setting up a bubble-camp in one of your 0.0-LowSec (or better yet, Highsec) border systems. I prefer doing this with a drag bubble on the outgate rather than a heavily bubbled in-gate.
Get a couple of alliance mates together and go on a roam to poke the neighbours.
Forum Toon wrote: At any rate all trade hubs are more expensive in margin of around 10-20% which is respectable but you can feel the lack of variety. on the Jita\Amarr\Dixie line of trade hubs one can get anything he wants in competitive price. In null it's challenge to find something, one must trust in contracts set by your alliance.
Yes, 0.0 trade hubs are more expensive than the major HS ones. There's plenty of opportunities to exploit that fact, if you're prepared to put in some *effort*.
In any case, your alliance probably has a Jump Freighter service (or it should have), or some of your corpmates might own a jump freighter. Ask them, very nicely, to bring you back a stack of *whatever*. You may have to wait a few days, but you'll get your goods. For stuff you 100% must have RIGHT NOW, either pay the markup or jump in your trusty taxi-ceptor and head for HS to buy it yourself.
Forum Toon wrote:At any rate after 2 hours of that chicken mentality showed by the local dwellers I decided to take some heavy tanked ratting ship and sit in a plex and rat while I wait for decent fight... FINALLY! someone had the decency to fight and I was tackled in the plex. While still in the "militia fleet" there were another 4-5 fleet members in same system with me + over 10 other pilots in the system. Once I shared intel and told the fleet I got intruder on me and invited everyone to warp to my location in order to share the festivities.. what is the first thing they all did?
Docked.
The fricking cowherds docked and hide in the station.
Did you think to tell these people you were expecting help from that you were in a bait-tanked ship? Could you tackle the aggressors yourself?
Personally, if one of my mates gets tackled in a site, I'll run off and grab a combat ship rather than warping in with a ratting VNI. When people go hunting for ratters, they tailor their ships to tank the damage the ratter will be doing and to exploit whatever the obvious resist hole is likely to be. For example, if I'm hunting ratters in Gurista space, I'll use EM or Explosive damage, not Kinetic or Thermal. Similarly, I'll expect to be taking either Kinetic or Thermal damage and will tailor my ship accordingly.
If you're going to play bait-tank ratter, it pays to tell your mates what you're up to before you achieve your goal of getting tackled in a site.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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Lee Maulerant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2016.03.05 04:37:40 -
[50] - Quote
Robert Sawyer wrote:Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?
Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.
This guy hit the nail on the head with a giant sledgehammer.
The only way you'll do PvP on a reasonable scale is joining a big corporation that's part of a big alliance that purposefully roams low/null/true sec systems and loves to wardec, and those types of corporations want your entire wallet, ship collection, 30 years of EVE experience and that little cashbox you keep in a safe behind that picture on your wall.
I've been in two corporations and my first corporation went to war twice, first war we won without question, because the people we were against always hid in stations and/or never fought back. The second war was actually pretty intense, roaming with a 20-man alliance fleet having tons of explosions and lasers everywhere but then dispersed a few days later.
The second corporation, even though it stated it was a PvP corporation, never did PvP, just mining in abandoned low-sec systems, level 4's in hi-sec and.. well that's it.
PvP 5 years ago was more intense than it has been in the past year, and it make me a little sad. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6953
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Posted - 2016.03.05 04:48:33 -
[51] - Quote
Lee Maulerant wrote:PvP 5 years ago was more intense than it has been in the past year, and it make me a little sad. Don't worry now we are fighting a series of amazing interceptor-based (and t3 destroyer-based) fights
CCP Grimmi: With all players on a single server and in direct competition with each other even your trade and industry activities are PvP.
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Gliese Casserres
Fistful of Finns Paisti Syndicate
50
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Posted - 2016.03.05 09:43:26 -
[52] - Quote
Find a group that always picks fight with prey 5 times bigger than they are. Third partying is also fun. Content guaranteed. |
Burning Furry
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
27
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Posted - 2016.03.05 10:25:48 -
[53] - Quote
Forum Toon wrote:I TL;DR why highsec miners have bigger balls then nullsec dwellers?
It's not a lack of balls as such, it's a whoring/fawning attitude towards killboard stats.
I used to fly with MoA, and don't get me wrong, they're great. Awesome FC's, hardworking members, etc, but we ran so much. If we couldn't be guaranteed of a win, we didn't fight, and this with my limited playtime meant i often logged in and sacrificed my gaming time for that evening without ever turning my guns on. I found myself in a position of thinking "better play some GTA V, that way i'll be guaranteed of some action". Once this thinking set in, it was time to move on.
There was this massive overarching sense that "the KB is all important, all hail the KB", which is great if you like playing spreadsheets in space, but if you actually want to play the game, it's not so good.
I think OP, that you just joined the wrong corp/alliance.
Do some homework, and find a casual group, not allied to many people who don't particularly care about stats, and you'll find that the fights come more easily. |
Divine Entervention
Hunters Elite Krab Republic
827
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Posted - 2016.03.05 14:25:54 -
[54] - Quote
I think it's a logistics issue.
In Low Sec and High Sec, if you need to replace a ship, you're only a handful of jumps away from a major trade hub. Everything can be easily replaced. There's no end to replacing your losses.
In Null Sec, the ability to replace fully fitted ships is it's own separate game. High Sec, Low Sec, you can go ahead and take a "stupid" loss. Not in Null though. You have to care a bit more about your ships.
Also, space wouldn't really be "space" if it was all completely full. |
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
935
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Posted - 2016.03.05 17:27:32 -
[55] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lee Maulerant wrote:PvP 5 years ago was more intense than it has been in the past year, and it make me a little sad. Don't worry now we are fighting a series of amazing interceptor-based (and t3 destroyer-based) fights
Plenty of avenues still available for using larger ships, CFC has just traded all of these for security.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM XI
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Valacus
Streets of Fire
130
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Posted - 2016.03.05 22:02:07 -
[56] - Quote
Don't live in null sec. No one lives in null sec. It's a summer house. A vacation home you go to when you wish to partake in a particular activity. No one actually lives there. It sucks to live there. The majority of systems are deserted. No stations means agonizingly long trips between fights and activities. Getting ships and modules out there is only doable with a large, well organized, well funded, support system. If you don't have this, you don't get to play. Enjoying PvPing in your noob ship. Blobs are worse there than in low, because people mostly travel in packs of 50+. Bubbles make soloing lame, because your odds of escape from gate camps and the like are abysmally low. No gate guns means instalocks frigs and ceptors are extremely common. Null blows in a lot of respects. We only claim to live out there because that's where we stash our mains, but most people, myself included, really live in low and high sec. We just go out to null to do things you can only do in null, then log back into empire when we're done. |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1699
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Posted - 2016.03.06 02:49:34 -
[57] - Quote
Forum Toon wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:Seems like OP should have done his research and joined a PvP alliance. well they said they have pvp fleets and that I'll be able to join "militia" fleets which are coordinated on intel channel in order to defend the corp's space. In truth after 4 hours that evening the only action I got... or let's say... the only interaction with another player which I've got was only when I got suicidal and went into great lengths in order to find someone to fight with. The whole "moving to null" for me at list was to be part of something big, to join those big ass fleets and get the "I was there" vibe. in truth I felt like I'm surrounded with pve'rs which cares nothing for good fight. I think I might need to migrate into faction warfare maybe and see how's it going there this days.
You joined a nullbear alliance.
If you follow the meta on eve news sites and read battle reports you will get a general idea of which alliance does what, when and how.
FYI all nullsec alliances will call themselves "PVP alliances" unless they are literally renters, even if they only do one PVP fleet a month. So it's a meaningless label until you learn what PVP they actually do. |
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
511
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Posted - 2016.03.06 15:20:53 -
[58] - Quote
In null you are going to find a lot of time they don't want fights. Someone with an inty and an alt might want to turn your prospect into killboard padding, but isn't actually interested in anything else.
Literally 'in belt' seconds after entering system. I couldn't fly away from the scenery fast enough to cloak. I jumped out of my ship, podded back to stations and it exploded on the way back. The only response to my T1 destroyer was "flies off","empty local".
There had literally not been another soul through system for an hour after I logged on, yet some turd has to bring an inty AND an alt to that system and right on top of me. I'm not even sure how he knew I was there.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2016.03.06 15:20:53 -
[59] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:[quote=Forum Toon]
You joined a nullbear alliance.
If you follow the meta on eve news sites and read battle reports you will get a general idea of which alliance does what, when and how.
FYI all nullsec alliances will call themselves "PVP alliances" unless they are literally renters, even if they only do one PVP fleet a month. So it's a meaningless label until you learn what PVP they actually do.
You have pointers on how to properly research for proper pvp oriented force to join?
I really hate when I'm told "dock and wait in station". I don't pay sub to spin my ship. |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1080
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Posted - 2016.03.06 16:27:48 -
[60] - Quote
between the null sec and high sec there is the only "action" you will find. The rest is freedom and how boring a game really can become. This is because there are to less people to fill the holes. |
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Haliaeetus Albicilla
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.03.06 16:47:03 -
[61] - Quote
+ 1 googolplex @ OP
Six hours waiting inside outpost. Oh no, they have one more ship than we have! We do not undock.
I recently created new character, did the career training mission for exploration and took the exploration ship. Little of waiting and I found a wormhole. Went into 0.0. Then jumped back for about 70 jumps.
I did not see anyone at the gates. Couple bubbles. No worries.
****
I did another experiment. I grabbed mining ship. Yes. The Venture.
I went into lowsec nearby Dodixie.
I was mining. And absolutely everyone tried to shoot me! The pirates! The FW! NPC's! And even a gangbaitskiff tried to shoot my Venture.
It did not pay out much, but I had the best time in years in this game.
**** So conclusion.
1) Create LOWsec mining corporation 2) Set your base next to Dodixie, Jita or Amarr 3) Everyone want to shoot your miners 4) Have fun while defending your miners.
*** CCP ADD ABCM ORES TO LOWSEC!!! JUSTT SMALL QUANTITY WOULD BE NICE *** |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
114
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Posted - 2016.03.06 16:55:58 -
[62] - Quote
Buy a hulk and mine some ore.
PvP will happen |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2016.03.06 17:06:13 -
[63] - Quote
Xavier Liche wrote:Buy a hulk and mine some ore. PvP will happen
you meant retriever. that ship is awesome bait.
In the past people tried to gank my ret only to die painful to warrior drones. The secret is fit for tank not mining yield and let the gankers die.
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regarding what you said I agree about lowsec, lot of action around those parts. |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
193
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Posted - 2016.03.06 17:13:43 -
[64] - Quote
Null-sec is a perfect recreation of reality.
First you had chaos, then you had dozens of nations fighting each other, then you had empire building, then you had empires fighting each other, then you had the empires collapse and the nations form coalitions, then you had the coalitions beat each other up a few times, and finally several hundred years down the road you have the United Nations and even people who hate each other would rather hate quietly while benefiting from global trade.
In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Haliaeetus Albicilla
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.03.06 17:43:14 -
[65] - Quote
MidnightWyvern wrote: In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
Three minutes from nuclear war? |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2016.03.06 18:55:52 -
[66] - Quote
Haliaeetus Albicilla wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote: In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
Three minutes from nuclear war?
"I know not with what ships miners will be ganked with in the coming war, but in the War after that they will be ganked with pods. "
- Capsuleer Einstein
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Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2016.03.06 20:41:29 -
[67] - Quote
back in the days, null was an exciting place to be...
especially the borderline gurista regions...
spies, lies, politics, thrilling kills, treachery... desperation, suicide ops and what not
to get all that fun you need an alliance leadership without a Head, but rather multiple brain dead heads.
What is the best part of null sec??? Making a logistics run in your very own cargo transport... gatecamps, gankers, smartbombers, chases... and 500 mill ISK put at risk.
And then the more tears you drop, the more bitter vet you become.
It all ended with jackpot of 9 bill ISK, when I felt it was not worth playing - as I achieved an end game state. Too much money, too little to aim for.
This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2253
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Posted - 2016.03.06 21:12:18 -
[68] - Quote
Pretty sure you joined the wrong group, you need a group actively looking for trouble and fights, not defending and holding a big territory. The sov game is not everybody's cup of tea. A lot of the battles making news rise by pure chance from a chain of escalations, because somebody made a mistake, others are arranged "good fights" with or without surprises ... if your desire is PvP fleet action around the clock like in the "This is EvE" trailer, come to Spectre Fleet and Bombers Bar, and live in Thera or Highsec.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4413
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Posted - 2016.03.07 02:55:37 -
[69] - Quote
Did I see somebody in this thread say, "For PVP, you can always go to FW"? My, how times have changed. But yes, PVP is available around the clock in FW.
What would Syd Barrett do?
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Geronimo McVain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.03.07 09:35:15 -
[70] - Quote
At the moment: most ships killed in the last 24h .....................Jita 457
any further questions? There was another battle with +350 ships killed, right, but why does a trade hub beat a warside? Is there any statistic that shows kills in High-sec, low-sec and null per day/month/year? When I look at the map I'm just guessing that high-sec beats null by 10:1 |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1116
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Posted - 2016.03.07 09:52:44 -
[71] - Quote
go back to lowsec then??? |
Lianara Dayton
Society for Peace and Unity
39
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Posted - 2016.03.07 10:44:39 -
[72] - Quote
tl;dr: if you want PVP on an individual level then join FW. If you want long-term strategic goals ( = building an empire) with PVP as a necessary evil then go to 0.0.
I've lived in highsec (when I was a noob), then 0.0 for many years and currently I'm mainly active in FW/lowsec. In my opinion the situation in 0.0 has devolved more and more towards "nullbears" that are mainly in 0.0 to be able to farm ISK faster and build space empires. Fighting and PVP is seen as a necessary evil but not as a main goal (preventing a fight and "blueballing" people is more efficient then actually fighting - especially if 99% of your members are nullbears without balls that have no experience in PVP). This tactic of "dock up and bore our enemies to tears" may be wonderful for empire builders but it's utterly terrible for PVPers (which means that most people interested in PVP will migrate to real PVP groups and not stick with some 20'000 man risk-averse empire builder alliance - which in turn makes it even less profitable for the empire builders to even try to fight and reinforce the fact that it's better to simply dock up and wait it out instead of fighting).
When I first joined 0.0 this was not the case. People actually came to 0.0 for PVP, not to farm anoms in an afk carrier or whatever kids get up to these days.
The situation only got worse over the years (mainly when PVE became a thing in 0.0 which attracted many non-PVPers to 0.0).
So short of joining a real PVP group that doesn't hold sov and mess around with other carebear crap (along the lines of PL), 0.0 is not the best place for PVP.
After a longer break from EVE I decided to join FW and am really enjoying the focus on PVP that exists there. Sure, it's usually just frigates and small gang or solo action but to be honest this is far more fun for the individual pilot then being part of some huge fleet and waiting on titans for an hour just to have the hostiles blueball you etc. Been there, done that. It was fun for a short while but very soon it just became incredibly boring on a day-to-day level. Sure, the first few times you're in a huge fleet it's great and you take a few nice screenshots but beyond that it really isn't the most interesting or engaging form of EVE PVP (and individual skill is virtually irrelevant - you just need a few hundred F1-monkey that are willing to sit on a titan for 3h without falling asleep... oh how interesting...).
Now FW in lowsec is a totally different story. If you're looking for a place to fight (especially in smaller ships and with fewer people) then I can really recommend joining FW. I probably got more solo and small gang fights in my 1,5 years in FW then in the previous 7 years in various 0.0 alliances combined (the exception being my time in PL but then PL is also not a regular sov holding alliance - the problem for me with PL was that it required a very high level of activity and dedication and that just wasn't compatible with my real life on a long term basis).
Sure, the fighting in FW is pretty pointless beyond simply fighting each other and gaining PVP skills - you're not fighting for your huge empire to defend the moons that some alliance members are earning their ISK with - you're simply fighting because it's fun (and obviously also to defend your factions space but that's pretty irrelevant and can easily be ignored in favor of having some simple PVP-fun). It's also absolutely ideal for a person like me who has lots going on in RL. Gone are the days where I'm willing to "alarm clock" for fleets and spend hours and hours waiting for the action in 0.0 to kick off. In FW you simply log in, join a fleet (or head out solo) and have a blast and then log out again.
Edit: and just to make it clear: there were some very fun moments in 0.0 as well - for example when the alliance I was in came under massive attack from the russians and we were forced to fight or lose all our space (which, in the end we did lose by the way) but that also wasn't really fun because of the action-packed PVP but more on a strategic level and from a social point of view (seeing when the defeatist-faction within the alliance took over and then everything fell apart within days etc.). That was a blast (but not from a killmail point of view).
Lianara Dayton, Society for Peace and Unity
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Erin Savior
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.07 10:52:27 -
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Wow. It hasn't changed in 6 years... That was last time I was in a null-alliance. Bored the heck of me... Fleets often 30-50m just to gather. Then listen to some dumbass giving orders and just follow. Thanks for your post, however depressing it was lol. |
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
216
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:06:15 -
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Okay so if anyone in this thread describing how bad null sec is/was:
a) has lived there longer than two weeks; b) has lived there recently (lets say in the last month); c) is/was not a member or a pet of the Goons; and d) is not bad at this game and should feel bad,
please x up in fleet. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3624
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:50:36 -
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Pretty much why I don't live in null. The only 'fights" you get out there most of the time are either vastly mismatched gangs, or surprising a ratter.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3624
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:52:34 -
[76] - Quote
Perkin Warbeck wrote:Okay so if anyone in this thread describing how bad null sec is/was:
a) has lived there longer than two weeks; b) has lived there recently (lets say in the last month); c) is/was not a member or a pet of the Goons; and d) is not bad at this game and should feel bad,
please x up in fleet.
a) I lived in null for about three months. i spent far longer in w-space, which is much more interesting. b) No. Got bored and found more ways to have fun in highsec. c) lol Goonhate d) i'm not sure this grammar means what you think it means
edit: so basically you can't criticize null life if you aren't actively living it (within the past month). Gotcha.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
3624
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:53:43 -
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Erin Savior wrote:Wow. It hasn't changed in 6 years... That was last time I was in a null-alliance. Bored the heck of me... Fleets often 30-50m just to gather. Then listen to some dumbass giving orders and just follow. Thanks for your post, however depressing it was lol. Look man, pressing F1 is a skill i tell you.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
288
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:55:38 -
[78] - Quote
Perkin Warbeck wrote:Okay so if anyone in this thread describing how bad null sec is/was:
a) has lived there longer than two weeks; b) has lived there recently (lets say in the last month); c) is/was not a member or a pet of the Goons; and d) is not bad at this game and should feel bad,
please x up in fleet.
I've lived in null for over two years and I shoot Goons...and anybody else I can catch...can I play?
To the op...On a serious note - declaring nullsec to be "underwhelming" based on a single experience with a single group says a lot more about your unrealistic expectations than anything else.
There is all sorts of activity and experiences to be had in nullsec. You joined a big sov blob and found you didn't enjoy what you ended up doing. So maybe try a different angle...there are groups in NPC null that just look for fights, there are other sov groups you could try, there is the strange but often enjoyable NRDS nullsec community in Providence you could go spend time with...or you could just whine about it.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1699
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Posted - 2016.03.07 12:47:30 -
[79] - Quote
Forum Toon wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:[quote=Forum Toon]
You joined a nullbear alliance.
If you follow the meta on eve news sites and read battle reports you will get a general idea of which alliance does what, when and how.
FYI all nullsec alliances will call themselves "PVP alliances" unless they are literally renters, even if they only do one PVP fleet a month. So it's a meaningless label until you learn what PVP they actually do. You have pointers on how to properly research for proper pvp oriented force to join? I really hate when I'm told "dock and wait in station". I don't pay sub to spin my ship.
Querious is pretty active atm.
https://zkillboard.com/region/10000050/
Right sidebar has a list of most active corps/alliances.
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Cautious Kev
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.03.07 12:51:37 -
[80] - Quote
I personally didn't enjoy living in nullsec. The mechanics of living there were more tedious than fun. |
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
196
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Posted - 2016.03.07 13:22:57 -
[81] - Quote
Haliaeetus Albicilla wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote: In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
Three minutes from nuclear war? To divert off topic for the moment, nuclear war is and always will be an impossibility.
No one stands to gain anything from it, so it will never truly be a risk.
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2016.03.07 14:04:45 -
[82] - Quote
Just to clarify, "Underwhelming" in my humble opinion.
that was pure opinion post.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2650
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Posted - 2016.03.07 14:08:56 -
[83] - Quote
MidnightWyvern wrote:Haliaeetus Albicilla wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote: In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.
Three minutes from nuclear war? To divert off topic for the moment, nuclear war is and always will be an impossibility. No one stands to gain anything from it, so it will never truly be a risk.
A nutcase only has to think he stand to win something to start BS. |
Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy
80
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Posted - 2016.03.07 15:50:39 -
[84] - Quote
Highsec: "I went to nullsec looking for a fight in a T1 Frig and everyone ran from me!"
Nullsec: "Saw some T1 Frig roaming around, obvious cyno bait. I'm not getting blapped by a ******* Carrier." |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
86
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Posted - 2016.03.07 20:30:37 -
[85] - Quote
Based on just my few experiences so far, LoSec is PvP central. If that's your whoopee button, go push it there. NullSec is whatever the locals want it to be...right? |
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