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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2016
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Posted - 2016.05.12 12:03:18 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:1 minute would more than likely lead to a lot of senseless slaughter on gates and wh. While senseless slaughter is good clean fun I think that overall folks would be discouraged over time to join fleets. Every FC would need a 1 minute timer running and have to keep prodding his fleet to make inputs. What a hassle. I didn't say a 1 minute timer. I said a timer of some amount of time, for example 1 minute. Not the same thing. The amount of time is up for discussion. Don't base your support for the proposal on the amount of time I gave in the example because it's not even part of the suggestion.
2 minutes sucks, 8 minutes sucks. (I've done both and after 2 hours you learn to hate it). You're right, it isn't the length of time involved - it is that you are enslaved to a timer. You have to (in addition to what you are trying to do) keep a running clock in your head or (worse yet) set some alarm that commands you to take an action. You gain a master that you must obey - and it's a stupid one. There just isn't a reward to the player for being shackled by a timer.
You have a lot of ideas dude - this isn't a good one. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2016
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Posted - 2016.05.12 12:05:23 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:1 minute would more than likely lead to a lot of senseless slaughter on gates and wh. While senseless slaughter is good clean fun I think that overall folks would be discouraged over time to join fleets. Every FC would need a 1 minute timer running and have to keep prodding his fleet to make inputs. What a hassle. I didn't say a 1 minute timer. I said a timer of some amount of time, for example 1 minute. Not the same thing. The amount of time is up for discussion. Don't base your support for the proposal on the amount of time I gave in the example because it's not even part of the suggestion.
The hassle isn't the major problem. As the rest of my post explains (what, you just selectively quoted??) it's that folks will become exhausted for no real benefit to the game. |
Kieron VonDeux
213
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Posted - 2016.05.12 13:14:52 -
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I think there should be an active user input to accept Fleet Warps, maybe a 3 sec popup to accept where you would be able to rejoin fleet in fleet warp.
Another option would be the Fleet Warp would advertise the destination location and others would warp themselves to it. Seems more realistic.
A FC on his own should not be able to warp up to 249 other ships without user input from the others.
As well, min warp distance should be something like 10,000 km instead of only 150 km with a cool down between warps. Make the choice to warp mean more and give sub light speeds more of a reason than just aligning for the larger ships. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2019
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Posted - 2016.05.12 13:26:20 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:I think there should be an active user input to accept Fleet Warps, maybe a 3 sec popup to accept where you would be able to rejoin fleet in fleet warp.
Another option would be the Fleet Warp would advertise the destination location and others would warp themselves to it. Seems more realistic.
A FC on his own should not be able to warp up to 249 other ships without user input from the others.
As well, min warp distance should be something like 10,000 km instead of only 150 km with a cool down between warps. Make the choice to warp mean more and give sub light speeds more of a reason than just aligning for the larger ships.
OOOPH.....
are you trying to break pvp? |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2547
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Posted - 2016.05.12 13:54:04 -
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Reaver, this idea falls into the same category as most of your other ideas: pointless and bad. You are applying an overly complicated solution to a nonexistent problem.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2020
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Posted - 2016.05.12 14:47:46 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Reaver, this idea falls into the same category as most of your other ideas: pointless and bad. You are applying an overly complicated solution to a nonexistent problem.
I've often wondered if you are Reaver. That perhaps this whole back and forth between the two of you isn't the internet courtship it appears to be, but perhaps some bizarre forum theater piece that you are duping us into playing a part.
Are you a forum theater mastermind OR do you have a picture of you and reaver hanging out together to prove you aren't the same person???? |
Kieron VonDeux
213
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Posted - 2016.05.12 16:34:48 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: OOOPH.....
are you trying to break pvp?
Frequently you have to break things in order to make them better.
I realize that depends on what you think is better.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2022
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Posted - 2016.05.12 17:24:36 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: OOOPH.....
are you trying to break pvp?
Frequently you have to break things in order to make them better. I realize that depends on what you think is better.
If you break a glass - you can go to the cupboard and get a new one.
If you break the core of an mmo - players will go find a new game.
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Kieron VonDeux
213
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Posted - 2016.05.12 18:10:13 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Kieron VonDeux wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: OOOPH.....
are you trying to break pvp?
Frequently you have to break things in order to make them better. I realize that depends on what you think is better. If you break a glass - you can go to the cupboard and get a new one. If you break the core of an mmo - players will go find a new game.
That's if you don't fix it after you break it.
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Titti Sabezan
SYNDIC Unlimited
7
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Posted - 2016.05.12 19:03:38 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:1 minute would more than likely lead to a lot of senseless slaughter on gates and wh. While senseless slaughter is good clean fun I think that overall folks would be discouraged over time to join fleets. Every FC would need a 1 minute timer running and have to keep prodding his fleet to make inputs. What a hassle. I didn't say a 1 minute timer. I said a timer of some amount of time, for example 1 minute. Not the same thing. The amount of time is up for discussion. Don't base your support for the proposal on the amount of time I gave in the example because it's not even part of the suggestion. 2 minutes sucks, 8 minutes sucks. (I've done both and after 2 hours you learn to hate it). You're right, it isn't the length of time involved - it is that you are enslaved to a timer. You have to (in addition to what you are trying to do) keep a running clock in your head or (worse yet) set some alarm that commands you to take an action. You gain a master that you must obey - and it's a stupid one. There just isn't a reward to the player for being shackled by a timer. You have a lot of ideas dude - this isn't a good one. With respect, no -- you don't have to watch a timer, if you're Playing The Game. It is the AFKers who will need to watch timers. Anyone who wishes to admit being one, I can arrange with you where and when to leave your stuf for me, and you can got back to playing Real Life TM |
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Iain Cariaba
2991
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Posted - 2016.05.12 19:12:46 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Kieron VonDeux wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: OOOPH.....
are you trying to break pvp?
Frequently you have to break things in order to make them better. I realize that depends on what you think is better. If you break a glass - you can go to the cupboard and get a new one. If you break the core of an mmo - players will go find a new game. That's if you don't fix it after you break it. Nope. By time you fix it, those players have already moved on, and most of them will never return.
Rule #4 of customer service. A satisfied customer might tell three people about how happy he is with your product and/or service. An unsatisfied customer WILL tell ten people how unhappy he is with your product and/or service.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2954
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Posted - 2016.05.12 20:36:26 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Kieron VonDeux wrote:I think there should be an active user input to accept Fleet Warps, maybe a 3 sec popup to accept where you would be able to rejoin fleet in fleet warp.
Another option would be the Fleet Warp would advertise the destination location and others would warp themselves to it. Seems more realistic. OOOPH..... are you trying to break pvp? I have an idea that will do what he says without breaking PvP: pre-click your fleet warp. You have to click it but instead of clicking after it goes out, you click a button which makes you able to accept one fleet warp within the next minute. FC announces a fleet warp is about to go out, everyone clicks the button, fleet warp happens. If it's not imperative that everyone warps together in one big concerted effort, then they can just broadcast the destination.
Serendipity Lost wrote:I've often wondered if you are Reaver. That perhaps this whole back and forth between the two of you isn't the internet courtship it appears to be, but perhaps some bizarre forum theater piece that you are duping us into playing a part.
Are you a forum theater mastermind OR do you have a picture of you and reaver hanging out together to prove you aren't the same person???? I'm insulted that you would compare me to someone of his calibre. You know, someone who is more normal.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
298
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:04:32 -
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But Why?
What does this do that flag "excempt from fleetwarp" doesn't? |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2548
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Posted - 2016.05.13 00:57:44 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Reaver, this idea falls into the same category as most of your other ideas: pointless and bad. You are applying an overly complicated solution to a nonexistent problem.
I've often wondered if you are Reaver. That perhaps this whole back and forth between the two of you isn't the internet courtship it appears to be, but perhaps some bizarre forum theater piece that you are duping us into playing a part. Are you a forum theater mastermind OR do you have a picture of you and reaver hanging out together to prove you aren't the same person????
You better smile when you say that...
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2954
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Posted - 2016.05.13 01:07:13 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:But Why?
What does this do that flag "excempt from fleetwarp" doesn't? Well, it tells you in the title, but I can't blame you for asking a question about it without even reading that far.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2026
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Posted - 2016.05.13 02:00:19 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Reaver, this idea falls into the same category as most of your other ideas: pointless and bad. You are applying an overly complicated solution to a nonexistent problem.
I've often wondered if you are Reaver. That perhaps this whole back and forth between the two of you isn't the internet courtship it appears to be, but perhaps some bizarre forum theater piece that you are duping us into playing a part. Are you a forum theater mastermind OR do you have a picture of you and reaver hanging out together to prove you aren't the same person???? You better smile when you say that...
Trust me - Reaver idea threads mostly crack me up. |
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