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Serra Yeva
Harvest Corporation
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Posted - 2016.06.17 17:42:59 -
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Does anyone else feel that "activity defense multipliers" and "vulnerability windows" seem a bit inorganic and unrealistic in terms of tactically taking and holding a strategic position?
For a moment, forget the entire history of sov mechanics in EVE, and pretend that somebody just introduced you to our current system. Would you say it seems to fit naturally within the game? Or does it seem more like an arbitrary construct?
All throughout real world history, taking and holding territory was dependent upon the ability and determination of the attacker, vs the defender, at any given, or any chosen moment for conflict.
When I observe the current game mechanics, it feels a bit contrived. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.06.17 17:49:15 -
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I am the king of my moustachioed castle, and I assure you madam that there is nothing contrived about that!
~ Bumble X
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Amnika MonSulu
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.17 17:54:08 -
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Bumblefck wrote:I am the king of my moustachioed castle, and I assure you madam that there is nothing contrived about that!
~ Bumble X
and a fine one that is as well.
as for the topic. They had to devise a mechanic that favored home-field advantage while building content and a cost to defend/attack. Is it just like RL? no. But it works. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.17 18:48:19 -
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Amnika MonSulu wrote:Bumblefck wrote:I am the king of my moustachioed castle, and I assure you madam that there is nothing contrived about that!
~ Bumble X and a fine one that is as well. as for the topic. They had to devise a mechanic that favored home-field advantage while building content and a cost to defend/attack. Is it just like RL? no. But it works.
It works a damned sight better than the two systems we had before that, that's for sure. It's not perfect, but it works, and it helps break the idea that in order to hold space you need more guys than the next group of bros.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.17 20:19:50 -
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I think a great thing for the nullsec sovereignty system would be to eliminate TCUs from the game. The players should determine who owns a system, not some entry in the game database. Wormholes, lowsec and NPC nullsec work this way. This would give more dynamic battles between empires as borders fluctuate based on who has a more secure position, and two empires can set up in the same system - perhaps by uneasy truce, or perhaps from two warring entities setting up competing defenses. Eliminate the need to have formal SOV before upgrading a system's ISK-making ability. |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
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Posted - 2016.06.17 20:31:41 -
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Sov is just a game mechanic, not reality. A greater game reality would have the gates themselves be made and controlled by players, attackable and such. While such a 'reality' would be achieveable it would create a very unfair and unbalanced universe. It would polarize the issues that Empire Space and Non-Empire space have right now, which are bad enough as it is (at least to me).
Yes, Sov is very clunky and inelegant. CCP should sit down with the Council and a couple of groups of players to hammer out a better system, but the one that's in place works... just not all that smoothly.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
370
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Posted - 2016.06.17 21:08:42 -
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OP, highsec sov is the ideal you refer to. James 315 owns highsec by means of Catalysts, Void S, and an army of agents employing those weapons. Plus, we have the best TCU in game: the Code. We're making Eve great again!
Agent of the New Order
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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.18 07:15:49 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote: CCP should sit down with the Council and a couple of groups of players to hammer out a better system
That would be good in theory, but i know what will happen : they will only sit and discuss with players from null sec, enforcing a system which will further prevent high sec and low sec people to create their own independant community in null. True, the sov map looks better than one year ago, but it's still all about big alliances renting and blackmailing. Wspace is a better sovereignty model imho.
CCP 2015 : "Fluff is good"
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Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.06.18 08:27:59 -
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Christ on a cracker
Fizzlesov is the biggest F-up yet to the sov system. Capture the flag is a WoW game and has no place in EvE.
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Chewytowel Haklar
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.18 13:46:38 -
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Wasn't the thinking here that the little guys will now be able to hold Sov and defend it much better? From what I can see the blob still wins. |
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Keebler Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.18 13:55:20 -
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Jagd Wilde wrote:Christ on a cracker
Fizzlesov is the biggest F-up yet to the sov system. Capture the flag is a WoW game and has no place in EvE.
Says the guy who's alliance that treats supers as an i-win button. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2016.06.18 14:41:20 -
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no. vulnerability windows is a piece of dog sh.t some sick CCP brain invented and does feel all but naturally and intuitively.
attack on sov should be possible at all times, not just few hours of defenders prime time. |
Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.06.18 15:08:33 -
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Keebler Wizard wrote:Jagd Wilde wrote:Christ on a cracker
Fizzlesov is the biggest F-up yet to the sov system. Capture the flag is a WoW game and has no place in EvE.
Says the guy who's alliance that treats supers as an i-win button.
says the NPC alt with no sov |
Samantha Udan
Rubicon Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2016.06.18 15:35:55 -
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Jagd Wilde wrote:Christ on a cracker
Fizzlesov is the biggest F-up yet to the sov system. Capture the flag is a WoW game and has no place in EvE.
Couldn't agree more with you. But I doubt they will admit that it was the wrong thing to do and go back to the old system. |
Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.18 15:43:10 -
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Samantha Udan wrote:Jagd Wilde wrote:Christ on a cracker
Fizzlesov is the biggest F-up yet to the sov system. Capture the flag is a WoW game and has no place in EvE.
Couldn't agree more with you. But I doubt they will admit that it was the wrong thing to do and go back to the old system.
The old system sucked! I'm not defending the new one, but saying "oops, our bad", and moving back to that mess is not a solution. CCP and the CSM need to take a year or two and hammer out something that really works. Until then, we deal with it. Same as we always have. |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
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Posted - 2016.06.18 19:07:02 -
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My outside-looking-in take on the evolution of Sovereignty is; they've tried to make it a game within a game. At first, you found a place, set up a large edifice, then if someone didn't like you there, they'd come shoot your edifice, (which apparently took a very long time with a lot of huge guns and wasn't any fun!)
SO, they tried to turn it into a capture the flag game within a game. Set up some sort of more vulnerable central edifice with a lot of attendant extras to complicate matters. This didn't really take hold since everybody was playing EVE, not Capture The Flag.
THEN, somebody got the idea they'd hire one of us. Naturally, they picked someone who's highly vocal (without regard to the fact those kind of people rarely have any remarkable skills or abilities) and let THIS person design a game-within-a-game for us. We started out with entosis links, and wound up with HUGE stationary ships.
Nobody really knows what the idea behind the game is anymore. So, if you don't, you're not the Lone Ranger. What is funny is, this isn't the only game management has lost control of and is brassing it out trying to look like they're still driving, and the thing isn't mid-flight having departed the cliff edge a couple of years ago. The list pretty much includes the MMO menu.
Fire the only devs in the world who understand how games work and are created. Hire computer science majors who're glad to have any job at all in the field. Make the corporate mentality weenies happy. Watch the black ink rise (a bit) and the game take a nose dive. We've yet to see if the industry will survive this brilliant set of decisions.
Think of it as a giant experiment to keep you paying money (not develop a game) as its goal. Will it work? Time will certainly tell.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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