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Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:41:00 -
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Forgive me if this is any idea that was kicked around and dismissed but it came to me the other day thinking about sovereignty etc.
The general principle is a more expensive version of a large mobile warp disruption bubble. You deploy and anchor it just like you would a normal bubble. However this bubble can only be deployed in systems you have sovereignty in. Perhaps this is something that would work well with constellation sov. So that you have more range to deploy them.
Modulated Mobile Warp Disruption bubbles once deployed can be right clicked and then have a "Set Password" feature. Just like you would for a POS Shield. So the bubble works as intended for your enemies. Friendly frieghters and fleets however can move at will through the bubble by right clicking their ship and entering bubble password. (make it work the same way a shield password works)
There are several options you could add to this equation but i will leave it in its simplest form to see what everyone thinks.
~CS ~Cerias Shadows
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:47:00 -
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Nice idea, but im afraid that would make regions with fewer entry spots more or less locked down completly if alliance/corp can have a good long camp. Moreover if you pass password to allies it can be also somehow relayed to enemy so you might find yourself jumped and all enemys warp off. ---
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Cmdr Delrox
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:48:00 -
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I actually like this idea alot. If they ever get rid of local chat, would kinda be essential. Make it easier to lock down your space and keep intruders from casually coming to visit. And by making you have sovereignty, it would keep the NPC regions from being to much of a hassle.
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Laney Tatzika
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:52:00 -
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Oh they would have the same dynamics as a regular small / medium / large bubble assuming they have sizes... I just used large as an example. So an opposing fleet could come in and pop your bubble pretty easily just like you can do now. The only added advantage to these bubbles is that with the right password you and your allies can move through your sovereign space uneffected. Nice for the fleets moving through.
You wouldnt see these everywhere mind you. The key being the sovereignty.
~CS
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Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:54:00 -
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Yea for alts... Laney is mine ...^ ~Cerias Shadows
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Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: n0thing Nice idea, but im afraid that would make regions with fewer entry spots more or less locked down completly if alliance/corp can have a good long camp. Moreover if you pass password to allies it can be also somehow relayed to enemy so you might find yourself jumped and all enemys warp off.
Well if they have sovereignty over those points then yes... they could get bubbles up... but they are not immovable objects. If your security is not tight enough to prevent this ... well a) thats your problem b) thats what makes this game fun. Its definitely not supposed to be an iron curtain. ;-) ~Cerias Shadows
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Laney Tatzika
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:56:00 -
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lil bump
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: n0thing Nice idea.
No, it's an absolutely horrible idea.
It's a typical suggesting from 'carebears in alliances' as they try to defend themselves from raids by promoting blobbing, meanwhile killing the game as the server doesn't handle blobs.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Originally by: n0thing Nice idea.
No, it's an absolutely horrible idea.
It's a typical suggesting from 'carebears in alliances' as they try to defend themselves from raids by promoting blobbing, meanwhile killing the game as the server doesn't handle blobs.
I agree to this. Besides that there needs to be some risk for alliance carebears. Otherwise the major alliances could put up signs at their gates: 'Turn around ! Closed for isk farming.'
( Did I say that I don't like carebears, who only think 'isk, isk, isk, more isk ?' They shouldn't be in 0.0 to be honest. ) ___________ Muuuhhh !!! |
Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:06:00 -
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Hmmm you'll have to explain to me how it is pro carebear? I admit I didnt think of this from every angle. It sorta popped into my head and I posted it... but something besides...
"This is an absolutely horrible idea" Would be nice.
The idea was to set up gate camps by the alliance that owns the area... just as they do now... except letting them move traffic in and out... I can see how they could also use it to set traps for other fleets... youll have to explain the carebear thing... If someone wants to down a bubble I would just imagine they go in and shoot it down no big deal... Cant handle taking down a bubble? Maybe make the Bubble less HP so it easier to take down.
Is it considered carebear because it allows one side to evade the effects of being caught in the warp disruption while the other is caught...
~CS ~Cerias Shadows
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Laney Tatzika
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:08:00 -
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Perhaps making it an expensive asset to move and lose?
Requires... a hauler 1000m3 to move and deploy... costs 100m isk to make? Ehh does that make it more carebearish or less carebearish?
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:15:00 -
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current bubbles:
reward: you can keep hostiles/neutrals out of your space risk: the camp gets busted and the campers/friendlies that pass through might get caught in the bubble
your idea:
reward: you can keep hostiles/neutrals out of your space risk: ?
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TheShire
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:25:00 -
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i somewhat like it, but i dont like the typeing password thing, could get tiresome. maybe have a beacon rig slot item thats made by corps/alliances specific and can only be put online if youre in said corp/alliance, that beacon would respond as soon as you hit jump on that system gate..so in effect the warp bubble or web bubble whatever auto ignores youre ship/fleet.
dunno kinda interesting idea on the whole.
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Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:29:00 -
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I do agree with this there does need to be some risk... ISK is kinda a non factor with alliances building 60 bil titans. So even making the bubble 100m purchase... there needs to be something else... Any ideas?
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte current bubbles:
reward: you can keep hostiles/neutrals out of your space risk: the camp gets busted and the campers/friendlies that pass through might get caught in the bubble
your idea:
reward: you can keep hostiles/neutrals out of your space risk: ?
~Cerias Shadows
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cerias Shadows I do agree with this there does need to be some risk... ISK is kinda a non factor with alliances building 60 bil titans. So even making the bubble 100m purchase... there needs to be something else... Any ideas?
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte current bubbles:
reward: you can keep hostiles/neutrals out of your space risk: the camp gets busted and the campers/friendlies that pass through might get caught in the bubble
your idea:
reward: you can keep hostiles/neutrals out of your space risk: ?
60b for a titan? i wish, its more like 150b not to mention the BS losses to hold sov. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |
Alan Bell
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:51:00 -
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tell me if im wrong, but i think i understand what the OP is saying. the bubble will work exactly as they do now, for hostiles. the difference is that allies can enter a password, and bypass the bubble. (freighter in bubble?) old sig |
Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cerias Shadows on 21/03/2007 20:05:11
Originally by: Alan Bell tell me if im wrong, but i think i understand what the OP is saying. the bubble will work exactly as they do now, for hostiles. the difference is that allies can enter a password, and bypass the bubble. (freighter in bubble?)
Thats right.
The requirements: * Anchoring V - Sov Anchoring III (or something along those lines increased skill reqs for this) * Soverenty of the System you want to deploy a bubble in. You cannot debloy these anywhere in a region only in systems you currently hold soverenty or maybe hold an Outpost in.
RISKS: (as pointed out there should be some risks.)
One idea might be ... make the bubbles hackable... not in the way we consider now but a different implenttation... dont make them 100% garunteed give covops a job to do... sneak in before the assualt... and ***** the frequency modulation to bypass the bubble.
Of course this is also an area where Corp spys would come in handy. An enemy fleet could use spys to get the codes for a bubble ahead of time.
I dont think this idea is as much trash as some of the posters have claimed... it needs some work but could add a really cool and balanced dynamic to Alliance warfare.
~CS
EDIT: Lol the ccp filters say cr4ck is bad mmmkay! ~Cerias Shadows
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