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Kiff Arzi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 00:18:45 -
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The proposed Rorqual is a joke. Allowing this into the game in the current iteration on sisi will raise serious concerns over CCP ability to test things properly, their consideration of changes and general foresight. Never has such a overpowered ship reached game.
to start with in it's role as a miner it is making everything else pointless. For any give alliances of a certain size it will become the standard required of mining characters. Bringing anything else to mine will be laughable. Before long we will see 10 alt army's in coalitions home space effectively untouchable; all in Rorquals. With t2 industrial core they are going to miner faster than 10 hulks! To put this in perspective, this will mean a alliance mining op with say 3 people running 6 alts will be able to mine a super carrier in minerals in a few hours. You can go into parts of null now and see 30 hulks in 1 system. Those characters will be able to mine a titan in in a few hours; obviously having a knock on effect on mining everywhere.
Next....It's dps is way to strong at: 1000-2000dps! imagine 3-4 of these 'OR SAY 10!!' the only answer/counter will be large capital fleets.
Next issue is PANIC A.K.A: 5-7 min of EHE!!!! Most disconcertingly the weapon timer on the P.A.N.I.C does not start at the end of it's cycle, It starts at the beginning. MEANING ------------- You can with max skills have a carrier or something with a fitting facility near bye and just swap one P.A.N.I.C for another one when it burns out and just re-enter PANIC mode for 7 more min, then do it again!!!!!-------------------------
It has 10ly jump range. With reduced fatigue!!!! This will be a capital wrecking-ball meta for example: You jump your fleet of these in. Lets say 30, they can RR each other while doing 1-2kdps each. EHE when needed, then jump out. 30-60k dps!!!!!
These ships would of been OP with just their mining rates. I strongly hope and request a re-evaluation of them before launch. They should not have more than 800 dps. MAX. their drone bay for combat drones should be limited. They should have 7LY jump-range and a lot less bonus for jump fatigue. And should probably mine about 5 Hulks worth with the T2 industrial core. The ability to refit PANIC also needs immediate removal!!!! |
Wanda Fayne
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Posted - 2016.10.31 00:26:09 -
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Needs more exclamation marks...t
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
-Lan Wang-
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Kiff Arzi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 00:40:03 -
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Sorry. My English is my second language. And I feel this needs desperate attention it has not got. Maybe becasue certain Alliances would benefit hugely from this change hitting TQ and want to see it. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.10.31 00:43:00 -
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It's an expensive, capital ship, designed to be deployed in areas of unrestricted PVP. That currently nobody uses because it's too expensive to lose.
Let's analyze your troll post from the beginning:
1. We already seriously doubt CCP's ability to test things properly. From boot.ini to a slew of other bugs, there's a HISTORY of them not being able to do it. In addition, there's only so much they can do to test; if you want more, log into Sisi and voice your concerns there. Because otherwise you know what's going to happen? They'll release the ship to TQ so we can test it there.
2. Nullsec alliances are there to PVP. The Rorqual, and mining fleets, are totally an afterthought. You can get richer, and thus buy minerals, by doing anomalies, collecting moon goo, building supercaps, and so on. Your calculations of how much will be mined completely ignore how much ore is available in the belts; it's not unlimited. 3 hulks can wipe out a high-sec belt in a couple hours; 6 hulk can wipe out a nullsec belt in the same time, and then it won't regenerate for a few days.
2b. But yes, this will have an effect on mining everywhere. Actually just in high-sec, where mining will become completely unprofitable. And CCP is adding NPC miners to take away the ore from the belts. So I think the message is clear.
3. 3000 DPS lol. Large capital fleets, they exist, no? I mean, everybody's itching for a reason to bring them out to play. It'll be like citadels, bring out the capital fleets, blow up the citadels, that's what they're there for. Seriously, get a clue, CCP's intentions aren't to promote PVE / carebear play.
4. The PANIC button is ****; you're stuck, unable to move, unable to be repaired, for 5-7 minutes, all the more time for the enemy fleet to arrive and blow you up. It doesn't offer anything except a delay of the explosion; it's like being perma-bumped. You haven't died yet, but you will, no doubt about that.
So, yeah. Please stop making posts like this, or if you absolutely have to, use the existing feedback thread. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.10.31 00:44:50 -
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Not that long ago tears were flowing because there was nothing CCP could propose that would make people want to take the Rorqual out of a POS.
How times change so quickly.
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Kiff Arzi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 00:47:30 -
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But it will not be "a expensive capital ship" for alliances with these. They will just make more and more of them. 3billion isk is not a lot of isk and neither is 30billion isk when that 30billion isk can mine 40billion isk in less than a week. Then buy another 30billions worth of these ships and Mine 30billion isk in 3 days. |
Wanda Fayne
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Posted - 2016.10.31 00:50:12 -
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Kiff Arzi wrote:But it will not be "a expensive capital ship" for alliances with these. They will just make more and more of them. 3billion isk is not a lot of isk and neither is 30billion isk when that 30billion isk can mine 40billion isk in less than a week. Then buy another 30billions worth of these ships and Mine 30billion isk in 3 days.
The problem is that you need to post in the appropriate forum thread. Make your arguments there...
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
-Lan Wang-
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.10.31 00:57:03 -
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Last I checked, capital ship construction takes months. And the location where they're building is vulnerable to attack.
You're throwing numbers around like they're nothing, and you're forgetting that the Rorqual is a ship. One person owns it, not the alliance. Unless the alliance provides a ship replacement program (SRP), that one person takes it out, loses it, and then they're down 3 billion. Would you join a nullsec alliance if they told you to buy your own Rorqual, bring it over, and mine with it, with ore going to the alliance?
Do you have an Orca? Are you using it for the benefit of your player corp, or selfishly for your own alts? Would you take it into lowsec? Null?
Are you aware that everyone can see, on the map, where people mine in null? There's an "index". It lights up, "come and attack me here, I'm using Rorquals to mine a lot." |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
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Posted - 2016.10.31 01:01:14 -
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OP, for only one billion isk I will gladly shoot any monument you like with you for four hours at any time you choose! (subject only to RL) Or I would also gratefully accept any stuff you might wish to leave me if it comes to that.
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Captain Dingles
Vapid Vacuums Inc. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2016.10.31 01:06:38 -
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I started as a miner. First two months with a few lev 3 missions a day to start. I didn't even feel lowly. Not even after yall told me (I was listnin' a little) that i was a basic chump fer doin' it. It was alright. But in the end, yall were right, it just wasnt doin it just to slave to be a free playing slave. Dude, there are Russians out there ready to get pissed at the drop of a hat. New dudes mining you can scare by dropping yer othrus right on em. Lies to tell people ;) It turns out if you just give in to the base need-want to be a butt-hole ... well, money finds a way. Just my uninformed, off topic come-and-shoot-me post of the month. Carry on. Also the door to the head in my Captain Dingles quarters is STILL stuck closed. |
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Kiff Arzi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 01:16:40 -
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All this argument memphis baas is a Alliance member defending a change that benefits them. Who exactly is going to bring a fleet to attack Nc or Goon Mining op when it has 30-40 of these + Goon or NC entire capital fleet ready to drop on them. And with the power projection limitations it is even less likely these will be vulnerable. We know where they mine with 30 hulks now. But you can't touch them because your drake gets dropped by 3 supers and a titan. This will just compound the issue.
Next. Capital ship production is getting huge boost with the new citadels. A titan will be built in 10 days. A super carrier in 7 days Carriers and dreads and rorquals in 3 days.
This change will make it almost impossible to remove established power-blocks. It may be great for a alliance like NC or goons now. But it will ruin the game for everyone long term. Just look at how bad the Svipul has been and how long that has taken to fix. This will be the Svipul for industrial activities. ITs WRONG and no one is noticing it!
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Flickstick Rick
Air The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.10.31 01:27:16 -
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And? I am looking forward to Rorqual PVP. Gonna bait me some low sec super carriers hit EHE and watch what happens. Hopefully the drops and counter drops will result in some excellent mods i can tractor in and then just re-dock with. Yummy. |
Captain Dingles
Vapid Vacuums Inc. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2016.10.31 01:36:58 -
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Kiff Arzi wrote:All this argument memphis baas is a Alliance member defending a change that benefits them. Who exactly is going to bring a fleet to attack Nc or Goon Mining op when it has 30-40 of these + Goon or NC entire capital fleet ready to drop on them. And with the power projection limitations it is even less likely these will be vulnerable. We know where they mine with 30 hulks now. But you can't touch them because your drake gets dropped by 3 supers and a titan. This will just compound the issue.
Next. Capital ship production is getting huge boost with the new citadels. A titan will be built in 10 days. A super carrier in 7 days Carriers and dreads and rorquals in 3 days.
This change will make it almost impossible to remove established power-blocks. It may be great for a alliance like NC or goons now. But it will ruin the game for everyone long term. Just look at how bad the Svipul has been and how long that has taken to fix. This will be the Svipul for industrial activities. ITs WRONG and no one is noticing it!
I didn't know it was an EvE joke the first time i asked the boss if i could bring my Drake. I thought my Drake was awesome. missiles drones and shields on 5's and pretty good core stuff. I didn't really get why a bunch of Europeans was laughin' at me but it was pretty cool. Also none of them explained it to me after I asked why they was laughing. Later i asked yall what to put on my raven...yall gave me this. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6385874#post6385874 And then i loved some of yall. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.10.31 03:14:18 -
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Kiff Arzi wrote:This change will make it almost impossible to remove established power-blocks. [...] It will ruin the game for everyone long term. [...] It's WRONG and no one is noticing it!
Thanks for pointing it out, I guess nobody's noticing it. If the new Rorqual is what makes it impossible to remove the power blocks, then I guess you better hurry and remove them, before the patch hits. Should be easily possible without the Rorqual, right?
Good luck, and keep fighting the good fight.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 03:33:42 -
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And in other news, the sky is apparently falling.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3002
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Posted - 2016.10.31 04:19:16 -
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Yet I am sure there are still miners crying for more buffs
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2016.10.31 07:03:39 -
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Memphis Baas wrote: 2. Nullsec alliances are there to PVP. The Rorqual, and mining fleets, are totally an afterthought. You can get richer, and thus buy minerals, by doing anomalies, collecting moon goo, building supercaps, and so on. Your calculations of how much will be mined completely ignore how much ore is available in the belts; it's not unlimited. 3 hulks can wipe out a high-sec belt in a couple hours; 6 hulk can wipe out a nullsec belt in the same time, and then it won't regenerate for a few days.
Mining Anoms that generate infinitely with Sov laugh at your claim of limited ore. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.31 11:24:09 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:4. The PANIC button is ****; you're stuck, unable to move, unable to be repaired, for 5-7 minutes, all the more time for the enemy fleet to arrive and blow you up. It doesn't offer anything except a delay of the explosion; it's like being perma-bumped. You haven't died yet, but you will, no doubt about that.
The PANIC button is meant as a last ditch effort time buffer to call for reinforcements. If you are taking a 4+ billion ISK ship out in a belt to mine and you don't have backup on standby you're doing it wrong. The Rorq is very different from other capitals in that it often doesn't travel in large groups. It sits in a belt surrounded by ships that can't help it when its in trouble. That is why the Rorq is the only ship to get the PANIC button, so you can sit in a belt by yourself and still give your friends the time they need to respond to major threats without them having to babysit you.
It certainly isn't meant as a solo weapon that you activate and somehow the bad guys go away? Anyone who even thinks of using it in that fashion is going to end up with a very expensive killmail.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:00:03 -
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How long does it take you guys to go from an unscheduled mumble/jabber ping to "we are engaging the enemy fleet"?
5 minutes? |
Cap ITal
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.10.31 15:06:26 -
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It does seem a slight over powered. Mainly because I can't understand why it has not had a more specialized buff.. Or more of a normal buff. Like surely it would of been fine like this:
The mining rate of 4 hulks in industrial mode and 2 hulks outside. Industrial mode has a 10 second offline. Boost its align time and give it +2 warp core per level. Give better boosts to other mining ships than proposed so that it is better to bring one Rorqual to boost the fleet while still giving personal rewards to the pilot. Also a better bonus/change would of been a mining ship jump portal. So the Rorqual could instrument sneaking a mining operation into null. mining a profitable and desirable amount and getting it back home.
Main issue I can see is that the changes are based on the scenario of 1 Rorqual being used by a mid sized corp or small alliance in some system maybe 5 jumps into null. It's not a big picture change that factors in how they will actually get used by certain players or player groups. I would of though by now CCP would have learned that null groups especially will find the most exploitative ways to use anything. The benefits the proposed changes offer to smaller groups are amazing. But yes it's without a doubt going to scale and yes I can see how it would scale very badly to favor certain established groups with control of certain regions of the game. And I am concerned if the long term effects of this scaling have been adequately considered.
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