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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:20:43 -
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A recent Scope broadcast ticker mentioned the ORE mining platform Kubera being relocated to Anoikis, which is to say wormhole space.
For those following along at home, the Kubera, weighing in at approximately 8,000,000,000 kg, is about the weight of four Ragnarok-class Titans.
What black magic does ORE have that allowed them to locate and traverse a wormhole with that beast? And where even is this location?
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:36:49 -
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Take it apart and rebuild it in space? |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2016.11.19 00:16:12 -
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Sure, but-- imagine even the difficulty in shipping the components for a titan into a C6 wormhole, using freighters. Now multiply that by a few thousand.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2016.11.19 00:33:27 -
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Yeah, that's about a hundred Keepstars worth of mass. Gotta be some Upwell nano-assembly stuff going on, alongside a serious case of "My grandfather's axe"
AKA Hambone
Author of The Deathworlders
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
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Posted - 2016.11.19 00:43:34 -
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Magic. Most likely of the demonic nature.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
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Posted - 2016.11.19 01:13:27 -
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That is true Makoto, any possibility of them building parts there? Admittedly I have yet to visit Anoikis, so I'm not exactly positive what there is for resources... |
Solun Usoko
Omnipotential Traverse
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Posted - 2016.11.19 07:01:20 -
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Just supposing some of the low-key research that recently came to light was not limited to zombified Drifter domes, but further still into their techno toolbox. Like, for instance, the relationship with the chaotically configured constructs and the correlated convergence phenomena. Wouldn't that be a thing if these precocious bastards had presently busted that puzzle box?
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Nomistrav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2016.11.19 07:09:32 -
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It was confirmed that the platform was moored during the time of the Serpentis capital fleet assault, and it was also confirmed that the Kubera was moved to a different location for repairs. It's possible that the Serpentis may have damaged it heavily enough that the platform took a sizable amount of mass-loss.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
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Posted - 2016.11.19 07:29:50 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:What black magic does ORE have that allowed them to locate and traverse a wormhole with that beast?
Given that the Sisters of Eve conducted a bunch of research in Thera, about wormhole traversing methodology, which was revealed with the unveiling of the Stratios et al, then it is quite feasible that other entities, such as ORE have also been investigating wormholes.
Certainly, for a business such as ORE, then manipulation of wormholes in order to move their mineral extraction equipment around at lower cost than freighters/jump freighters, would be a very attractive idea.
So, perhaps ORE have a wormhole speculum device, that can enlarge a naturally occurring wormhole, to prodigious dimension.
Such a device would be very coveted by certain groups.
So expect there to be several entities staging raids against ORE in the coming months.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
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Posted - 2016.11.19 09:34:47 -
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In terms of resources, anoikis provides all the basic minerals any tech one level hull needs as well as materials for tech three craft and ice for fuel. However it'd take a long long time to build a platform from scratch.
In terms of shipping, the restriction is not just the raw mass, but the random nature of wormhole connections as well. You can only get three at a time going in for any connection we're aware of, then you have to wait for the next connection. The shipping bottleneck is too much for such a time frame.
As for mass loss, it'd have to have lost a hell of a lot of mass to the point of practically being a ruin to fit into a c6 hole in one go.
My money is on something fishy going on.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2016.11.19 10:10:56 -
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well, no, hold on. If I fly a battleship through a wormhole, I add a hundred million kilograms of transit mass. If I repackage that same battleship and carry it through the wormhole in a Tayra, I only add thirteen million kilograms, the mass of the Tayra.
So, we know that the Planck Field generators present in any starship's hold - you know, the ones that let you do things like increase a hauler's capacity by 25% with the right skills - also do a decent job of buffering the wormhole from the mass of the cargo. If they didn't, we'd have found some inexpensive high-density cargo commodity and we'd be using haulers or even travel 'ceptors full of that commodity for rolling, rather than expensive battleships with Higgs anchor rigs.
So in fact, that eighty billion tonnes might even have made it through in a single shipment, if it was carefully nano-disassembled down using the same Upwell tech that lets us carry Keepstars - which, let's face it, the moons of New Caldari Prime are physically smaller than a Keepstar - in an industrial.
For all we know, the actual transport op was a single tricked-out Bowhead under heavy Mordu's escort.
AKA Hambone
Author of The Deathworlders
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
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Posted - 2016.11.19 19:58:10 -
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That factoring is true, Stitcher, but we need to apply some logic to this rather then assumption. It's all well and good pointing out modern compression systems, but they still have their limitations and are not a magic cure all to all engineering and transit problems.
I'm going to apply the volume/mass ratio of a Keepstar, under transit conditions, in this circumstance to get a rough estimate of how much you might plausibly package the Kubera down to. It's the nearest equivillent to hand I have.
A Keepstar's mass is 50,000,000,000 kg and its volume is 800,000 m3 in transit. This gives us a ratio of 62,500 kg per m3
Applying that to the Kubera, 8,000,000,000,000 kg in mass, gives us an estimated figure of 128,000,000 m3 if the same amount of compression was applied.
I am happy to assume that the techniques used for a potential compression of the Kubera may well have better mass/volume ratios, but I still think it's a stretch using currently available technology to assume it'll be brought down to one or a handfull of shipments.
In conclusion, either ORE has compression and transit systems, or lower mass/higher volume freight craft we do not have access to, or something else is going on.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.11.19 20:55:21 -
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It probably took a lot of time and work. But that is not as glamorous as someone having a wormhole generator capable of massing the completed platform. Not as interesting as "black magic."
As strength goes.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2016.11.19 21:08:46 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:I am happy to assume that the techniques used for a potential compression of the Kubera may well have better mass/volume ratios, but I still think it's a stretch using currently available technology to assume it'll be brought down to one or a handfull of shipments.
In conclusion, either ORE has compression and transit systems, or lower mass/higher volume freight craft we do not have access to, or something else is going on.
Or, perhaps, the ability to take it apart into multiple shipments and reassemble that shipment on the far side.
AKA Hambone
Author of The Deathworlders
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Garion Avarr
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.19 21:09:26 -
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An alternative explanation is that when it was stated that the Kubera massed "8 billion tons" what was meant was 8*10^9 tons, not 8*10^12 tons (both 10^9 and 10^12 being alternate definitions of "billion"). This would put it as about one sixth as massive as a Keepstar. |
Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
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Posted - 2016.11.19 21:12:23 -
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Stitcher wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:I am happy to assume that the techniques used for a potential compression of the Kubera may well have better mass/volume ratios, but I still think it's a stretch using currently available technology to assume it'll be brought down to one or a handfull of shipments.
In conclusion, either ORE has compression and transit systems, or lower mass/higher volume freight craft we do not have access to, or something else is going on. Or, perhaps, the ability to take it apart into multiple shipments and reassemble that shipment on the far side.
To which I again point out the shipment bottleneck of Anoikis, both in terms of getting the required connections and in the limitation of the number of ships to pass through, all within the given timeframe window.
It's a possibility for sure but, given the scale, the fact it wasn't noticed or reported on till recently still raises questions.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2016.11.19 21:27:51 -
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Garion Avarr wrote:An alternative explanation is that when it was stated that the Kubera massed "8 billion tons" what was meant was 8*10^9 tons, not 8*10^12 tons (both 10^9 and 10^12 being alternate definitions of "billion"). This would put it as about one sixth as massive as a Keepstar.
8*10^9 tonnes is 8*10^12 Kg. We've been working in kilograms here.
AKA Hambone
Author of The Deathworlders
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Garion Avarr
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.19 21:45:16 -
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True enough, I do seem to overlooked that . . . which actually leads me to wonder if there could have been a similar mistake in the original Scope News report. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2016.11.20 16:50:55 -
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So.
Here's an idea.
The Drifter Hives that appeared associated with the research facility strikes-- they weren't built on site, and I very much doubt they'd been there long, given the unstable nature of the Nexus anomaly associated with each one.
What if ORE took a chance and attempted to traverse a Nexus anomaly? It'd certainly explain some of the guncam footage that's starting to leak from Kubera's personnel!
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Tsao Aubbes
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.21 06:58:18 -
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Just another success of ORE! Very proud of them for accomplishing such a feat.
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