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Ione Hunt
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.06 12:09:00 -
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Signed!!! (a million times) _______________
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.04.06 12:28:00 -
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I suggest you ALL to count how many complexes in RED Alliance space and in Band of Brothers space, and then compare. Only then are you allowed to post further in this thread.
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Cadiz
Caldari No Quarter.
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Posted - 2007.04.06 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Cadiz on 06/04/2007 12:40:33
Originally by: Imperil I suggest you ALL to count how many complexes in RED Alliance space and in Band of Brothers space, and then compare. Only then are you allowed to post further in this thread.
Are we counting ones just in RA space, or are we also including the complexes that are occupied by "mysterious alt corps" that run their alloted complexes with clockwork religiosity and seem to have a strong penchance for typing in Cyrillic? ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence." |
Gerod Theron
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Posted - 2007.04.06 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gerod Theron on 06/04/2007 14:12:16
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.04.06 14:23:00 -
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I don't think the static complexes should be removed. However I think they could be changed so that they no longer drop the high end stuff, that belongs to the exploration etc, but would rather be set as objectives for the upcoming factional warfare. Now that would be great. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Kirk Hammet
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Posted - 2007.04.06 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Imperil I suggest you ALL to count how many complexes in RED Alliance space and in Band of Brothers space, and then compare. Only then are you allowed to post further in this thread.
Have you even looked in BoB space? Go look in fountain and syndicate and check all the 10/10 complexes there being ran by Red Alliance members every day.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.06 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Imperil I suggest you ALL to count how many complexes in RED Alliance space and in Band of Brothers space, and then compare. Only then are you allowed to post further in this thread.
Add TCF, Goonswarm, CA, UNL, KOS, and IAC, because we all know that Red Alliance does not allow their allies to run their 10/10 complexes.
Also add the alts speaking Russian over in Fountain, Syndicate, Pure Blind, and even up in the North.
Band of Brothers has a lot also, but it would be silly to say they have more
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JourneymanDave
devastation mining inc
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Posted - 2007.04.06 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: exxorr Edited by: exxorr on 05/04/2007 05:42:58 Seeing as how you plan to replace the t2 lottery with invention, why not follow the same path with complex's. No one has any faith in complex's (except of course those that have been milking them) SO WHY NOT MAKE THEM ALL RANDOM AND ACCESSIBLE ONLY BY EXPLORATION????
It would solve a lot of the current contensious issues such as exploits, plex whoring to rl sell mods etc etc etc.
Anyway, some mature input only please.
Totally /signed
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Suitonia
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Posted - 2007.04.06 16:54:00 -
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/Signed
I think it would be a good idea to remove 'plexes, CCP have made it clear that they want to reduce inflation and instant isk printing, which is what Complexes currently are, and obviously, avaliable to only large alliances or blobs, as opposed to everyone being able to take a mission on.
The areas where the complexes are removed from need to be reimbursed, i.e. large supplys or asteroids, and decent rats, so the areas still hold a strategic importance and worth fighting over.
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Kirk Hammet
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Posted - 2007.04.06 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia /Signed
I think it would be a good idea to remove 'plexes, CCP have made it clear that they want to reduce inflation and instant isk printing, which is what Complexes currently are, and obviously, avaliable to only large alliances or blobs, as opposed to everyone being able to take a mission on.
The areas where the complexes are removed from need to be reimbursed, i.e. large supplys or asteroids, and decent rats, so the areas still hold a strategic importance and worth fighting over.
Sounds to me like you're just a complex hater because you can't run them.
If inflation is the problem, remove overseer effects but leave the complexes in and up the drop rate on deadspace faction gear. No inflation, but complexes stay worth fighting for.
Removing complexes and replacing them with better rats is idiotic, that just removes one cause of inflation and adds another.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.04.06 17:10:00 -
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Static sites need to go. Dynamic content is the way of the future.
Just fix this chance based scanning garbage and it will be golden.
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Gort
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.06 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: exxorr Edited by: exxorr on 05/04/2007 05:42:58 Seeing as how you plan to replace the t2 lottery with invention, why not follow the same path with complex's. No one has any faith in complex's (except of course those that have been milking them) SO WHY NOT MAKE THEM ALL RANDOM AND ACCESSIBLE ONLY BY EXPLORATION????
It would solve a lot of the current contensious issues such as exploits, plex whoring to rl sell mods etc etc etc.
Anyway, some mature input only please.
/signed
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.04.06 20:09:00 -
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Hehe.. So after 4 pages it turns out this isn't really a nerf/delete static complexs thread its a nerf/delete BoB/RA thread.. So on that thought leave my precious 5/10's alone you gits..
Originally by: David Hackworth т If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.04.06 20:50:00 -
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All static complexes.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.06 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka All static complexes.
well, i think we could make an exception for the 1/10 training ones in 1.0
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.06 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot In my 3 years of playing I've never completed a complex. They are always camped or the spawns are broken with farmers.
Something needs to change with complexes to allow everyone to use them.
Hey everyone, lets remove competition from eve, then EVERYONE CAN BE HAPPY! YEAH!!
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Complexes are fine as they are. They can be a serious resource worth fighting for. If you dont want an alliance controlling it, you can take it from them just like you can deny their access to mining or ratting or docking. Nothing at all is wrong with the competition dynamic here and I would hate to see CCP crumpling to pressure on it. - - - These elite slaves are exceptionally well suited for physical labor. |
Paladineguru
Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.06 21:20:00 -
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NOT SIGNED
get over the ******* nerf everything **** mmk, static complexes arent the problem at all. your unwillingness to compete for those rescources however is.
Anyone who REALLY wants to have those , can. it merely takes an effort on a corp or alliancewide level. those who whine and moan because ra has the discipline to camp and take over a plex are just sad, lazy and undeserving of the riches within.
most complexes spawn only 2-3 times a day. while some like shikari has mentioned are broke and need fixed. the avg way they should work is fine. any person who feels they are locked out of game material has the option of forming a corporation of like minded individuals in pursuit of a goal.
15-20 guys of a few various skill levels can usually lock down a system against all but a determined opponent with --- ding ding ding --- MORE Rescources. which is kind of how it should be dont you think.
Now RA seems to be most looked at as the devil in the plex world but the truth of it is that with effort and determination those rescources are easily claimed.
Mentioning Bob is kind of pointless, since i gues a titan COULD wipe out all but the most determined.. most likely with a titan of their own. ( can anyone else see ra getting one just for that, if you can then you see my point, dedication is what rules them now , and should in the future. exploration is for the masses and should have similar risk/ reward levels. this alone gives acess to the many. The static complexes should remain as a rescource of contention among the alliances and 0.0 territory owners.
and before someone tries to flame me as some kind of farmer. i work two jobs to put myself through school, i play an avg of less that 15 hours a week ( less than some in a day) ive never sold a gtc ever ( ccp can confirm) and ive only bought a few usually due to rl financial obligations lying elsewhere than some kids toy. Never have i farmed a complex for billions of isk. I have however ran 10/10 and 8/10 ones quite a lot in my 4 years here. When we had a russian corp try to take ours over back when i was in occassus republica, all it took was a determined effort and bookmarking the guys trying it and hunting them relentlessly. this is how it should be.
If your not willing to go the distance to achieve your goals. you are unworthy of the rewards of said goals.
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.04.06 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Imperil I suggest you ALL to count how many complexes in RED Alliance space and in Band of Brothers space, and then compare. Only then are you allowed to post further in this thread.
Add TCF, Goonswarm, CA, UNL, KOS, and IAC, because we all know that Red Alliance does not allow their allies to run their 10/10 complexes.
Also add the alts speaking Russian over in Fountain, Syndicate, Pure Blind, and even up in the North.
Band of Brothers has a lot also, but it would be silly to say they have more
Well I did not say Band of Brothers have more. You see, I checked the map and counted. :)
And yes, I know that RED Alliance runs most of the complexes in their allies space aswell.
Even the one in Syndicate is run by RED Alliance. Heh.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.06 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 06/04/2007 21:33:28
Originally by: Paladineguru NOT SIGNED
get over the ******* nerf everything **** mmk, static complexes arent the problem at all. your unwillingness to compete for those rescources however is.
Anyone who REALLY wants to have those , can. it merely takes an effort on a corp or alliancewide level. those who whine and moan because ra has the discipline to camp and take over a plex are just sad, lazy and undeserving of the riches within.
most complexes spawn only 2-3 times a day. while some like shikari has mentioned are broke and need fixed. the avg way they should work is fine. any person who feels they are locked out of game material has the option of forming a corporation of like minded individuals in pursuit of a goal.
15-20 guys of a few various skill levels can usually lock down a system against all but a determined opponent with --- ding ding ding --- MORE Rescources. which is kind of how it should be dont you think.
Now RA seems to be most looked at as the devil in the plex world but the truth of it is that with effort and determination those rescources are easily claimed.
Mentioning Bob is kind of pointless, since i gues a titan COULD wipe out all but the most determined.. most likely with a titan of their own. ( can anyone else see ra getting one just for that, if you can then you see my point, dedication is what rules them now , and should in the future. exploration is for the masses and should have similar risk/ reward levels. this alone gives acess to the many. The static complexes should remain as a rescource of contention among the alliances and 0.0 territory owners.
and before someone tries to flame me as some kind of farmer. i work two jobs to put myself through school, i play an avg of less that 15 hours a week ( less than some in a day) ive never sold a gtc ever ( ccp can confirm) and ive only bought a few usually due to rl financial obligations lying elsewhere than some kids toy. Never have i farmed a complex for billions of isk. I have however ran 10/10 and 8/10 ones quite a lot in my 4 years here. When we had a russian corp try to take ours over back when i was in occassus republica, all it took was a determined effort and bookmarking the guys trying it and hunting them relentlessly. this is how it should be.
If your not willing to go the distance to achieve your goals. you are unworthy of the rewards of said goals.
you sound a bit agitated?
you have a couple good points, but seem to blow off everyone else's ideas posted as: Originally by: Paladineguru "******* nerf everything ****".
i dont see where you detail how making complexes based on exploration violates any of the points you made??
i would like to see military targets, strategic access point, etc be foremost on an alliances plans, not locking down the gold mine that spits out billions of isk every day.
there is no logical reason to NOT to get rid of static plexes. the guys with the most resources (as you said) will still run them and control them!! as they will be able to focus more on exploration.
as for the sad, lazy and undeserving comment. my alliance happens to fight to control our 10/10. we do it effectively. but i would like to see us (allies and enemies) focusing on each others military targets. i would like to see a reason to actually FIGHT each other, not to sneak around playing the downtime game and nabbing that first spawn AT THE SAME SPOT, EVERY DAY.
not really sure what your post boils down to except anyone suggesting there might be a better way to do things is lazy and unworthy?? thats what i got out of it.
awfuly wordy troll post. but in case i'm wrong, could you detail exactly what would be BAD about moving these plex's to exploration?
Originally by: Paladineguru
static complexes arent the problem at all. your unwillingness to compete for those rescources however is.
in fact moving to exploration based woud promote MORE competition , what is your point again?
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Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/04/2007 06:02:09
As I said in another thread, I'd love this.
Right now, static complexes give a huge edge to two sets of players:
1) Farmers, both in empire and in 0.0, who can lock most players out of the complexes if they're good 2) Huge 0.0 alliances like Band of Brothers, Red Alliance, Dusk and Dawn, and others, who run absurd numbers of complexes for billions of ISK.
These complexes make more than any tech 2 BPO, but unlike a BPO, cannot be acquired by any player regardless of wealth unless he joins the alliance controlling it.
IMO, all static complexes should be moved to exploration only, and made a great deal harder (currently even most 10/10s can be run with two or three battleships).
There is a counterpoint though; it makes sense for regions to have specific resources which can be fought over, but it seems utterly silly and out-of-character for an NPC base to be such a resource. You'd think they would move after getting killed by the same three battleships fifty-seven times in a row.
I've said before this is stupid. Adding exploration complexes to existing static ones should be the key. Otherwise what the hell is the point of controlling a region if it has no definitive resource? Locking people out of a plex takes effort and time and the people who run them should and are greatly rewarded.
You just sound jealous, because fix ****s dont get to run any. тттттттттттт
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/04/2007 00:08:36
Originally by: Sadist You just sound jealous, because fix ****s dont get to run any.
We have a 10/10, multiple 6/10s, and multiple 4/10s.
Querious has a surprisingly large number of complexes, and we run all of them, though we are not as organized as we'd like to be in doing so.
Please look at the map in the future before calling people "****s" in blatant violation of the former rules and making yourself look like a fool
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Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/04/2007 00:08:36
Originally by: Sadist You just sound jealous, because fix ****s dont get to run any.
We have a 10/10, multiple 6/10s, and multiple 4/10s.
Querious has a surprisingly large number of complexes, and we run all of them, though we are not as organized as we'd like to be in doing so.
Please look at the map in the future before calling people "****s" in blatant violation of the former rules and making yourself look like a fool
Are you sure all of them are actually being run by FIX, BOB or BOB allies? Not all is gold that glitters. тттттттттттт
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:17:00 -
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Uh. I don't really know much about all this stuff as I'm not a complex runner, but if this proposal means I have to use exploration (which takes skills, right?) to go to any complex, ever, I'd be quite upset. I want to try running a plex some time and I don't want to train skills up to do it.
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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:35:00 -
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I hate static complexes.
I love complexes in that they give you a way to make money via combat, and non-boring-ratting combat. However the static ones suck, make them all last only, say, a week, and spanw via exploration. ------------------------
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Querious has a surprisingly large number of complexes, and we run all of them, though we are not as organized as we'd like to be in doing so.
And there you have it.. Seems all the whining about "unfair" alliance plex dominating tactics all boils down to 'we ain't as organized as them blokes waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!'..
Originally by: David Hackworth т If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Dark Shikari Querious has a surprisingly large number of complexes, and we run all of them, though we are not as organized as we'd like to be in doing so.
And there you have it.. Seems all the whining about "unfair" alliance plex dominating tactics all boils down to 'we ain't as organized as them blokes waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!'..
Um, even if we ran them all 23/7, I'd still want static complexes to be changed.
Just because you are such a selfish player that you whine on the forums for the sole purpose of benefiting yourself doesn't mean everyone else is
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Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.07 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Um, even if we ran them all 23/7, I'd still want static complexes to be changed.
Just because you are such a selfish player that you whine on the forums for the sole purpose of benefiting yourself doesn't mean everyone else is
A selfish player? In EVE? Nonsense! тттттттттттт
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 07/04/2007 03:33:42
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Dark Shikari Querious has a surprisingly large number of complexes, and we run all of them, though we are not as organized as we'd like to be in doing so.
And there you have it.. Seems all the whining about "unfair" alliance plex dominating tactics all boils down to 'we ain't as organized as them blokes waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!'..
Um, even if we ran them all 23/7, I'd still want static complexes to be changed.
Just because you are such a selfish player that you whine on the forums for the sole purpose of benefiting yourself doesn't mean everyone else is
WTF?! Please point me to the post where I have *ever* whined about anything eve related..
You guys have an issue with the larger more successful alliances camping their 10/10 plexs and TBH if they are bugged like you guys say they are then more power to you to get them fixed.. But please.. Leave the honest non-alliance players out of this.. 5/10's are nice isk for the solo player but hardley the war winning isk farm plex label you seem to give to *all* plexs..
Really.. I expect far more liberal bias out of you DS than you are showing ATM..
Originally by: David Hackworth т If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Leave the honest non-alliance players out of this.. 5/10's are nice isk for the solo player but hardley the war winning isk farm plex label you seem to give to *all* plexs..
Really.. I expect far more liberal bias out of you DS than you are showing ATM..
I wasn't talking about non-alliance players at all.
Empire complexes often have the same problem of being camped; converting them to exploration complexes would be good for non-alliance players.
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Devious Syn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 06/04/2007 00:36:50
Originally by: Devious Syn No, you guys are missing my point.
1. IF so much isk can be made with plexes the true farmers (and every .0 alliance has them) will be DEDICATED to finding them every single day.
2. the best plexes will STILL be in .0 (usually) alliance controlled space. a. And since there are limited choke points to most .0 which are usually camped, getting the BS's you need to run the plexes in and out wont be done, As I doubt you can use the plex set up BS's to PVP your way to that system with the 8/10 your alt found in some .0 alliance space. And if you try to put a pos up it will probably not last 2 days.
So while it might take some more work on the part of the "farmers" it will be done IF there really is SO much isk to be made there as everyone here is screaming.
So again I fail to see how those who dont have a chance to run these plexes will benifit. Although, making the alliance find the plexes daily would be a good idea but ultimately all that will do is give them a little more to do, thats it.
no, you are missing our point. your point is invalid as you approach this as if alliancese have their entire regions locked down and all choke points camped etc/etc... its not like that at all, no matter who's space your in.
"IF so much isk can be made"??? It can, your talking to ppl that do them or have done them in the past. Why the hell do you think there is such fighting over them?
You post with this conception that 0.0 is water tight and secure... you really have no clue. IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLORE AND TRAVEL TO DO A PLEX, IT CANT BE FARMED
the travel involved alone makes the farmers themselves vulnerable. get it?
you find the plex, you do the plex, it disappears, you have to start all over looking through endless amounts of solar systems to find another.
this isn't that hard of a concept ....or are you just an alt of a person that doesn't want this to happen? tell ya what, post w/ your main and perhaps we can give your posts a bit more credit?
Sorry didnt know this was CAoD, where I have to post with mains to get a general point across.
who said that alliances have their entire regions lock down or every choke point is camped by some ebil pirates? What I said is for you to get the COMPLEX fitted BS's you NEED to do the plex your alt just found in some alliance controlled .0 space in and out is gonna be VERY tough to the point where the risk will probably out weigh the reward FARRRRRR to much for you to even THINK about it.
NOW yes there is a HELL of alot of isk to be made in plexes but fuk they are in every region so EVERY alliance has a even playing feild when it comes to that, now if you want some of the best plexes I dont see the problem just say to that alliance "nice region, we'll take it!" and the problem is solved.
That said it would be worth the time and effort of real farmers to scan every damn system in their regions to find these plexes (if it all went to exploration), and YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE if you think theres ANY RISK involved in finding exploration sites (Plexes in this case) within your alliance controlled space when most people with any sense do exploration in covert ops frigs.
So AGAIN all this will do is have people spend a little extra time in finding the plexes which for a farmer wont be a issue since he spends all day farming away.
The only way this would all help is lets say theres only 1 8/10 spawned in a region and once done it doesnt come back to "somewhere" in that region for another (for example) 8 days then I can see the problem being solved but fuk where would the isk be in .0 at that point? Mining? uh nope not with the new regions. Ratting? yea grind out for 4 hours killing the same BS's over and over for basically squat. Theres alot of thought that has to go into this.
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