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#TeamTama
Arthur Aihaken wrote:"Tama. You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
Yes, jita and all other parts of highsec
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Recettear Hariere wrote:This lossmail i simply included because it takes a special kind of person to pod a 3 day old rookie and not even lose a single comment about it. i certainly learned something from it, but that doesnt make this... ah lets keep it at that.
i will pod anyone, hundreds of pods a day, what makes a 3day old char more important than the guy with a highgrade pod?
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Posted - 2017.02.08 15:38:44 -
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Recettear Hariere wrote:If you're lowering yourself to sealclubbing you should at least have the grace to tell them what went wrong. I agree that its not obvious wether the target is green as grass or just 100th iteration of some vet in disguise who was just lazy. but that answer is included in the killmail, or rather, the fitting in it.
im protecting my space from people who want to shoot our big toys.
however you seem to not grasp the abilities of a new player and put full responsibility in the ganker, i get mails and convos all the time from new players asking what happened and how to avoid it, they get told how to avoid myself and they also get the loss reimbursed. we aint all bad and sometimes interaction with your killer can pay off.
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Lan Wang wrote:however you seem to not grasp the abilities of a new player and put full responsibility in the ganker, i get mails and convos all the time from new players asking what happened and how to avoid it, they get told how to avoid myself and they also get the loss reimbursed. we aint all bad and sometimes interaction with your killer can pay off. How about not shooting them in the first place? The reason is that it's a source of income. It's easy to justify your actions by putting the onus on the new player for contacting you to get reimbursed (and this would also be the rarest of exceptions). Why not let them off with a warning? Because you know that the next group at the next gate almost certainly won't, so why give up that potential income to a rival? Ransoms are a running joke because contrary to popular belief they're almost never honored. I have to hand it to you, though - you've developed the perfect meat grinder. The problem is that it also relies on a steady stream of new players completely oblivious to the risks and willing to venture out of high-sec.
steady stream of new players? lol no, new players have nothing of value so new players are hardly "a source of income", its the vets which provide me with my income when they warp into me in travel ceptors full of shekels, new players are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
how about you stop doing missions and killing my Angel friends?
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Then if you have nothing to gain - you have no reason to shoot new players. Oh, right... you're "educating" them. How silly of me.
I dont shoot new players...
why do you highsec carebears seem to think everyone does something for gain in this game, are you so brainwashed with min maxing that you think people cant have fun unless there is money involved?
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Posted - 2017.02.08 16:29:24 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Lan Wang wrote:I dont shoot new players... You just said they are often in the wrong place at the wrong time and that you reimburse them for ship losses if they contact you. So you'll forgive me if I call bullsh*t.
there is a difference between shooting and bombing, mainly bombing you are killing stuff coming towards the gate, not jumping through...so yeah i dont shoot new players i bomb them. not hard to avoid my playstyle tbh
i dont need to scram players, ransom or shoot them, they are dead pretty much instantly, and no im not going to check every char that appears on my overview.
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Posted - 2017.02.08 16:38:02 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I just looked at your killboard and it's littered with shuttles, rookie ships and Ventures.
are you assuming its only new players who fly these ships? you will be suprised who puts high grade pods, plex and bpo's inside shuttles.
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Posted - 2017.02.08 17:42:44 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Lan Wang wrote:are you assuming its only new players who fly these ships? you will be suprised who puts high grade pods, plex and bpo's inside shuttles. Just concede that you're a pirate, that you shoot anything and everything - and stop trying to white knight it. Because all the stuff about being generous to new players is just complte horsesh*t. You fly a smartbomb-equipped Machariel that you run continuously within range of the gates in Tama to catch players both leaving and entering the system.
You cant run a machariels smartbombs constantly what are you talking about, no i sit in a position from a certain gate which is easy enough to avoid, what exactly am i trying to "white knight" here, i am a dirty pirate and will kill anything i havent denied that, you seem really angry that people who do this sort of gameplay actually interact with players who die, does this not fit into your agenda or something?
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Posted - 2017.02.11 10:03:56 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
All of this from a troll posting, terminally butthurt alt of Fabulous Rod.
Well, you do live on these forums. Who does that except for neurotic no life losers with no friends? Does anyone take you seriously? I don't come to these forums much but when I do, I always see you posting your delusional nonsense. Its funny how you forum twits want to to call gate camping "tactical use of terrain" and pretending like the ship you unlock in is active counterplay. and no, EVE is definately not the only pvpmmorpg. It just goes to show you how narrow-minded and delusional you eve fanbois really are. Virtually every pvpmmorpg has better and more skill demanding combat than EVE.
You sound butthurt, are you ok, did you die and quit the game because you lost some mission loot now you roll a forum alt to tell everyone how bad the game is, its funny you insult others for posting on the forums yet here you are with what looks like a forum alt. Why dont you just crawl back under your rock and go play something more "skillful"
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Posted - 2017.02.11 17:42:02 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Ransoms are honored about as much as mining permits, refunds on scams and market and contract screw-ups - aka: never. It's just a way to milk you for as much as possible in the event you rage quit. Players are getting smarter, and there aren't as many suckers born every minute these days.
This is the problem with highsec carebears spreading hate of piracy across highsec, you know people get kicked from corps for not honoring ransoms, or agreed 1v1's you need to get out a little more , there is honorable pirates all over lowsec.
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Posted - 2017.02.12 17:39:40 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Lan Wang wrote:This is the problem with highsec carebears spreading hate of piracy across highsec, you know people get kicked from corps for not honoring ransoms, or agreed 1v1's you need to get out a little more , there is honorable pirates all over lowsec. Sorry, but the rare exception does not make it the rule.
Exactly so stop painting everything with the same brush
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Posted - 2017.02.13 13:36:03 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:In the instance that you ignore that advice, and do pay ransom, and they actually honor it, be sure to send them a further payment of that ransom amount again as a bonus for honoring the deal, cos you where blessed to meet such a super rare pirate unicorn of honor. If they honor the ransom the player and corporation don't get blacklisted or bountied; that's their reward. What's interesting is that none of the low-sec gangs sell "protection" or "escort" security for travelling through or operating in their space. Why is that? Is it simply more fun to 'poke holes in a ship until the candy falls out'?
most are pirates not merceneries, bountied? is that even a thing?
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Posted - 2017.02.14 09:05:48 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:It's definitely the game's fault that you decided to jump into Tama over and over and over again.
There is no conceivable way it could have been avoided.
You certainly could not have jumped into low sec anywhere other than Tama.
You were forced, unfairly, to continually feed yourself into one of the biggest meat-grinders in the game.
this is the thing about Tama, you look on twitch there is a stream called "IsTamaCamped" which actually streams the otherside of the gate, you jump into Nourv and there is dozens of mobile depots AROUND the gate with a link to the stream and various notices mentioning the gate is camped ffs people even have citadels marked "GATECAMP AHEAD!!!!", yet people by the hundreds still persist on jumping through that gate to feed the campers regardless of the overview being littered with warnings.
Tama is the most camped system and also the system with the most amount of warnings in the game.
It just starts to get funny how stupid people are in this game.
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Posted - 2017.02.14 09:20:31 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Lan Wang wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:It's definitely the game's fault that you decided to jump into Tama over and over and over again.
There is no conceivable way it could have been avoided.
You certainly could not have jumped into low sec anywhere other than Tama.
You were forced, unfairly, to continually feed yourself into one of the biggest meat-grinders in the game. this is the thing about Tama, you look on twitch there is a stream called "IsTamaCamped" which actually streams the otherside of the gate, you jump into Nourv and there is dozens of mobile depots AROUND the gate with a link to the stream and various notices mentioning the gate is camped ffs people even have citadels marked "GATECAMP AHEAD!!!!", yet people by the hundreds still persist on jumping through that gate to feed the campers regardless of the overview being littered with warnings. Tama is the most camped system and also the system with the most amount of warnings in the game. It just starts to get funny how stupid people are in this game. So....there is even a twitch stream on this. Can it get any worse for the OP? Should we start a go fund me page for the OP to get him some pampers and may some enfimil?
yes, we love the attention Tama gets, so much thats its turned into a brand #TeamTama
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Posted - 2017.02.14 10:50:14 -
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Hakawai wrote:So now it's OP's fault?
it was always the op's fault
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Hakawai wrote:And I'm still not impressed that the actual gate campers are too lazy to scan ships, pick the obvious beginners, and tell them to go back the way they came. I know it won't really happen, but it wouldn't hurt the old timers, especially during newbie-rich periods, to make a small effort to make the playing environment a bit more forgiving for newbies.
plenty of pirates pay money for newbies who lost something and give advice, as ive already explained before getting criticised for trying to justify what i do as "white knighting".
for someone who cant even read a littered up overview with warnings of "GATECAMP AHEAD" it then falls into the victim being totally lazy, would you swim in shark infested water when signs are all over the beach saying "SHARKS ARE IN THE WATER DO NOT SWIM"?
you have to realise that not every "new" player is actually a new player.
@gatecampers - hold the ship on the gate so they can light a cyno and bring a capital fleet in while you check all the chars details to see if the player is new. gg
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Hakawai wrote:Lan Wang wrote:plenty of pirates pay money for newbies who lost something and give advice, as ive already explained before getting criticised for trying to justify what i do as "white knighting".
for someone who cant even read a littered up overview with warnings of "GATECAMP AHEAD" it then falls into the victim being totally lazy, would you swim in shark infested water when signs are all over the beach saying "SHARKS ARE IN THE WATER DO NOT SWIM"?
you have to realise that not every "new" player is actually a new player.
@gatecampers - hold the ship on the gate so they can light a cyno and bring a capital fleet in while you check all the chars details to see if the player is new. gg For alts of experienced players - that's why I said to send "new-player profiled" ships back the way they came. if they go the wrong way I'd expect instant destruction, new player or not. I've heard the stories about nice pirates, but never from a newbie on the receiving end of it. And in the general case, it would be a lot more convincing if the "nice" pirates stopped at 50% hull damage and started their chat. I think they're actually just "buying the kill" to clear their conscience. I'd prefer to see this done on an open market . A beginner could sell their "scalp" multiple times for a few ISK per kill plus a replacement ship, and there would be no need to interfere with their other playing activities. This is just as fair as the usual wildly unbalanced fights new players have with old timers, and with several helpless targets (so the "killmails" don't look too weird) it could be made to look no different to a normal ganking session.
you dont hear the nice comments and polite people because only the salty come to the forums to tell people the game is broken and let everyone know they are leaving because the nasty pirate killed them. i have plenty of mails from players asking for advice.
It has always been stressed in eve that the best way to learn the game is to convo whoever you fight to find out what you done wrong. this is no different than the vet in a linked garmur with pirate implants killing the 3 day old kestrel in a plex.
doesnt matter what you suggest people will still die no matter how much you change the game to molly cuddle new players
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Posted - 2017.02.14 15:56:46 -
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Hakawai wrote:Find a way to balance the risk and we can talk about making things easy for new players. Right now, it's easy-mode for the gankers, and much harder for the new players than anything the old-timers face regularly.
easy-mode?
i put an expensive faction battleship on a gate in the most violent system in eve, with a twitch stream showing perfect intel of whats on the grid, my death is only a cyno away without any warning at all.
player enter nourv and warps to tama past all the citadels and mobile depots warning about the massive gatecamp ahead, proceeds to jump...
i think the risk is quite obvious here and its far from "easy-mode"
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Aves Asio wrote:Eve has been a game with very little conflict generators, now that we have lots of them i think its time to reconsider if spawn camping is a meaningful conflict generator.
it is, ill tell you why, tama gets dropped on by a lot of groups often, its an easy fight dropping on tama, you hardly need to gather intel to find out what they have on grid and ships are expensive, so removing things like tama camps is removing content not just from campers but also pvp groups.
how about we remove highsec mission running because thats not a conflict generator either, lets remove warpcore stabalisers, insta-warping and cloaky mwd tricks because lets face it they are anti-conflict also, that sound better for you?
lets remove concord too as they are not conflict generators either?
edit: its not spawn camping....spawn camping is unavoidable, last i checked you can avoid gatecamps pretty easily
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:And in doing so, make it ever easier to dodge gate camps. Dodging gate camps is a good thing, but like any game play mechanism, you need to actually play for it, rather than being granted vital information for free. do you actually think its hard to avoid a gatecamp? No, which is why I'm against nerfing them.
It sounded like you wanted them nerfed, sorry if i read that wrong
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Posted - 2017.02.15 07:04:11 -
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@zoubidah stop calling it spawn camping, makes you sound like a ******** cod player
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Posted - 2017.02.15 07:10:30 -
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Whats your point? Just because 1 person does that doesnt mean all pirates are like that, stop spreading hate, you dont like it that people can take your stuff or mess with your gameplay, we get it
Now go back to solo min/maxing missions in your favourite highsec hub
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Spawn camping is a valid term.
But here in EVE we use the more accurate terminology "gate camping", especially as it also involves intercepting outgoing traffic.
its valid in call of duty
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:Yebo Lakatosh wrote:In games where this term is commonly used, players respawn at a very specific place (or at a few of them) after death. Thus spawncampers can lock a player in a perpetual die-respawn-repeat cycle. In games when devs don't fix such a mechanic, it's usually very dangerous to do for the aggressor, like they have to be at a hostile base or something.
Spawncamping is potentially perpetual and unavoidable. Gatecamps have more than one way of dodging them, but let's just look at the most obvious one: going another way, or picking an hour when the campers are not there. Since those options are (were) always available to players who get destroyed at gatecamps, I have to say the term you are using is incorrect. It feels irrelevant if the victim walked into a trap out of bravado, or ignorance.
But I think you knew that. I feel you deliberately chose to describe a phenomenon you dislike by a word that's not fitting it, but due to it's negative connotations, it might invoke sympathy in the reader.
I don't think it's an elegant way to debate. Very dangerous for the aggressor... like, being in vehicles shelling the areas where new players spawn as troops, or interdicting vehicle spawns? sounds difficult, and dangerous! almost as much as tanking gate guns and instalocking. Spawn camping in a FPS is also very avoidable: just play on another server, or pick an hour when the spawncampers play on another server. So indeed, gate camping is really the same as spawn camping. Why do you argue it's not? I thought that in war everything goes, and any tactic is a valid tactic if you win. Spawn camping is definitely a valid tactic, as it provides an endless stream of instant wins, with zero risk, because of static scouts in the neighboring system.
are you implying that in rl there is no rules to war? is that really what you are saying?
gatecamping does not provide risk-free instant wins.
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:Lan Wang wrote: are you implying that in rl there is no rules to war? is that really what you are saying?
gatecamping does not provide risk-free instant wins.
That's exactly what the griefing crowd has been repeating over and over ever since people who play this game as a game - and not as a platform to extort rage and tears from complete strangers - started complaining about senseless griefing Good ole meta, good ole emotional manipulation through showing double standards "Dude it's just a game don't be angry :^)" "Dude in war anything goes, our tactics aren't cheap or cheesy :^)" Spawn camping at gates does provide risk-free (because of static scouts in neighboring systems) instant wins (because you only engage what you know you can destroy) Exciting gameplay, advanced tactics, truly an intellectual game for intellectual people : O
"Spawn camping at gates" so gatecamping? fml
ok camping is litterally risk free, even though ive lost numerous battleships and on that gate, dreadnaughts have died, shadow cartel, ee, bombers bar, and numerous other entities drop on that camp quite often, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Aves Asio wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:They are the one remaining systemic buffer on the enormous traffic between NS/HS (both ships and material). Passing through lowsec on the way from null to high, camps will be on your outgate and therefore ineffective. Salvos Rhoska wrote:They also constitute a means for LS locals to defend their space/content against incursions from both HS and NS, from both directions. See that never happenes, no lowsec entity can claim and control multiple sistems. Usualy its one staging sistem and even in that case the control comes in the form of lots of angry bored ppl docked in a station.
tell that to the numerous high value interceptors and cloaky ships that die to smartbombers
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Aves Asio wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:No, you move it GÇ£towardsGÇ¥ NS Oh i see, yes you have a point there. You might catch an iteron or something doing that but nothing substantial that could severely impact the traffic of ships and materials between null and high because the majority of it is being moved by jumpfreighters Teckos Pech wrote:Yes they do, I was recently camping in Rancer with some guys there. Based on which way the target was coming weGÇÖd jump in the Crie, move to Miro, even go site on the Ambeke gate in Crie. Did your camp have any strategic value or were you doing it just for lulz?
does your playstyle have any strategic value? actually, what is your playstyle?
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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Just stay in high-sec and train-up. You can make upwards of 200m ISK an hour blitzing L4s and Burners. Zero risk. Plus it pisses the low-sec and null-sec players off to no extent... What are L4's and Burners? Im only a month into the game so id like to know
tedious missions, and they dont **** off lowsec players as we make more in lowsec blitzing L5's something that highseccers are too scared to do
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
"Spawn camping at gates" so gatecamping? fml
ok camping is litterally risk free, even though ive lost numerous battleships and on that gate, dreadnaughts have died, shadow cartel, ee, bombers bar, and numerous other entities drop on that camp quite often, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Maybe you're just bad? But I guess the middle position in the pecking order between hapless gankee and hotdropping hammer vs. mosquito suits you fine Exciting gameplay : O Neuntausend wrote: In the same sense, traveling with a scout provides "risk free" (because of scouts) means of beating those camps. So - do it!
Are you telling me that I need a secondary account? Are you seriously implying that EvE is P2W, or rather P2reducegankingprobability?
Yes im bad, are you saying you need to be good to do a risk free instant win activity?
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:What exactly do you mean by spawn camping?
she means gatecamping, she even went as far as to call it "spawn camping at gates", just gatecamping as everyone else in the game knows it as, think she is just trying to coin a new term to align more with her agenda.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: - Can you scout for me forevermore wherever I go? - Lol no - Ok then I'll just buy a secondary account ^^
why dont you use your brain and use the alt you use for posting on the forums?
HOWEVER YOU DO NOT NEED A SCOUT TO GET PAST TAMA BECAUSE IF THERE IS A CAMP THERE IS ALSO A STREAM ON TWITCH
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tar1901 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Once you leave high-sec there is an extremely short learning curve... Yea, like exploits like this don't happen in High-sec. This kind of "PvP" is the selling point of Eve Online, that is as long as they have players to take the bait. But now it looks like CCP had to bring in the F2P feature to bait new payers into the game. I remember some years ago a blackmail scheme that forced miners to pay protection money to some corps so they don't get their mining ships blown up in High-Sec. I was wondering why the hell did this players still insisted on mining or even playing this game
would you like to buy a Tama Pass? what exploit are you talking about? sitting on a gate shooting things in a game about shooting things?
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Yes im bad, are you saying you need to be good to do a risk free instant win activity? No, I'm saying you must be especially bad to get caught while spawn camping Lan Wang wrote:
why dont you use your brain and use the alt you use for posting on the forums?
Because logging out logging in logging out logging in with two characters on the same account, playing catch up and having delayed info on gates, is especially bothersome and half efficient So buying another account is the only solution, apart from having a selfless friend that will scout for you 24/7
did you even read the part of my post in caps or are you just being an idiot on purpose? you seem to only process selective information which is relevant to your agenda, numerous people have explained to you how to avoid camps but you seem to ignore all the advice from people who know what they are talking about, and cry to ccp to change things to suit you.
"No, I'm saying you must be especially bad to get caught while spawn camping" - i dont think a risk-free instant win activity would require any amount of skill, your answer to my question simply proves that its not risk free or instant win.
why do you feel you need to make a forum alt? are you scared of something?
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Jenn aSide wrote:What is the proof that gate camps are the cause of low population numbers in low sec?
she doesnt have proof because lowsec is far from low population, i can kill 100 ships and pods a night sitting in tama. wtf is she talking about?
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:An HS carebear has no business in LS, unless you are prepared to deal with LS mechanics..
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Teckos Pech wrote:Hakawai wrote:Torin Corax wrote:[...] Hakawai wrote: Let's take it a small step forward - imagine someone sufficiently menacing and capable stops you from entering a park, or a shop, or your place of employment, by blocking the entrance, just because they think it's amusing, apply that to 0.5-0.4Gate Camping, and consider the message it conveys to the naive new players (who are implied in this thread to be the only normally intelligent players caught in 0.5-0.4 Camps)
New players are not the only people caught in camps, although in certain areas they most likely do make up the bulk of the "victims". [...] But what if your paragraph started "new players are not the only one caught in 0-5-0.4 Gate Camps"? Multiple people in this thread have claimed that any moderately well informed and careful player who isn't as dumb as a rock will easily avoid any Gate Camp. They did so in the interest of selling a lie of course - IIRC it started as resistance to a comment that Campers could readily distinguish between reasonable and unreasonable targets. But in so doing they claimed that 0.5-0.4 Gate Camps aren't aimed at newbies, implying that the ones who are caught up in this fine EVE activity are just small scale "collateral damage". As usual, making stuff up on the spot leads to revealing contradictions /lol. Of course I doubt even CCP could readily collect statistics on the immediate effects on player actions of 0.5-0,.4 Gate Camps, but the range of activities is clear enough ... ... some will see it in advance and use alternative routes (wasting time but less likely to lose their ship). Others see it, and proactively will choose another in-game activity, or log off. Some will lose a ship or two - and of those not all will leave the game as the OP says they did. But a lot of the newbies, regardless of how they are directly affected, will "connect the dots" that the OP did: 0.5-0.4 Gate Camps: the game (players and CCP) is hostile towards newbies in unnecessary and stupid ways (discouraging new(ish) player from entering lowsec is stupid). Most won't react as OP did (drama / "swan song" / ragequit), but the knowledge will stay with them. The OP kept doing the same thing over and over despite it having the same outcome. If you kept trying to do something and kept getting slapped down...when would you stop and reconsider your approach/startegy/etc.?
GÇ£The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different resultsGÇ¥ - Albert Einstein
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Hakawai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Hakawa wrote:
Is that really what CCP Falcon meant? Does CCP want players to casually drive other players from the game, thereby losing their subscription money?
You have not one shred of evidence that people are driven from the game by gate camps. [...] Haven't you read the thread title and the original post? Denial doesn't change the facts. It does induce a credibility issue though.
he was probably going to quit anyway as soon as someone "pvp'd" him, that sometimes happens in pvp games...
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god is she still harping on?
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:At this stage we're just "playing with our food".
Consider your RL situations and wonder whether you're not playing yourselves Considering the time and energy you put into enabling and defending online sociopathy, there are probably ongoing and troubling issues
whats online sociopathy? can you define it and explain why its applicable in eves game mechanics
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Amojin wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Amojin wrote:You no doubt read my comment about Alex Jones' show. I do listen to the man, yes. I find his understanding of theology sub-par, I find his understanding of science, hard science, sub par. But I DO find his heart in the right place. I DO find his struggle to report the truth to be virtuous. I DO check his references, and Drudge, and a host of others. In some cases, they are overreacting to stupid crap. In other cases, they have said truly.
If you need to make the link between me and the Infowars show to discredit me, even though I don't always agree with it, then fine.
I have my own mind. I read the enemy publications, too. I take their classes. I sat in Seminary, and I sat in secular college and learned psych and philosophy. Some things I agree with - they are basic truths. Some extentions of that basic truth, into absolute insanity of theory? No.
The absolute most insanity I ever saw was in psych profs. I hadn't actually, wasn't aware you'd actually mentioned talk radio, it's just my go-to for something that's loud and bombastically ignorant on the topic it's discussing. The fact that you actually listen to that stuff is hilarious I find it much less likely that you ever sat through a psych class, let alone learned anything from it, because you've been making factual errors that any day 1 Psych 101 student could have corrected. Now, shall we veer back on topic and away from politics, or are you going to get another thread locked for politics and off-topic posting? That's funny. I would have thought me reading the Bhagavad-Gita or the Koran to be the more amusing. But, whatever.
the Quran?
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