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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3122
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Posted - 2017.04.10 14:27:34 -
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Actually, yes, it is at least part of my job to look at situations and attempt to see what the long-term problems that can arise from them are. But please, do feel free to keep being snide about it. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3287
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Posted - 2017.04.10 14:45:32 -
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Thanks, Ms. Raske.
Arrendis wrote:In other words, you offered up completely unfounded speculation as on-site information, and waited two days to clear that up? I mean, it's not like even my original objections stated that the persistent nanomachines angle was a massive red flag.
Of course, there's very little else that could function like thisGÇöa normal vaccine won't help those already infected, and whatever drug treatments would constitute a 'cure' would be purged from the bloodstream... unless there were, I dunno, nanomachinery in there churning it out, which gets us right back to where we are...
I'm rarely certain of anything. Maybe my tendency to express things in tentative terms can be troublesome when I really do mean I think something's the case.
But yes, the guess was based on exactly that kind of analysis.
Quote:It was, as I'm pretty sure my statement made clear, a reference to your earlier insistence that because voting was involved, the Gallente Federation's Senate represented a form of authority that the people can and should implicitly trust.
I'm not sure when I made such a statement. As far as I can remember, democracy is a form of government of which I'm particularly skeptical precisely because it places power in the hands of the worst-informed and least-qualified.
I'm Caldari, Ms. Culome. More particularly, I'm culturally Achura. We're probably the world's strangest theocracy: rule of the remains of a once-mighty (in its own one-planet context) feudal empire by its monks, supported by scholars from other fields.
Those are the people I tend to trust to lead: thinkers. That's presumably how I was brought up, though of course I can't remember; just, my head's full of explicit or implicit arguments in favor of this. The Caldari generally trust their Executive caste in similar ways, and for similar reasons.
I trust people who, by their very position, are best-situated to see matters clearly. To me the greatest mystery of the Federation is how it's survived centuries of what to me looks a lot like rule-by-ignorant-mob.
Quote:You say something utterly irresponsible and dismissive of the long-term threat that incautious introduction of a potential nanoplague after extremely limited testing poses, and then don't like having that threat laid out in the kind of detail that seems necessary to make you understand why what you're saying is, frankly, monstrous on a scale I can't even apply to the Day of Darkness. Maybe... don't make the monstrous statement in the first place?
... I'm getting tired of having things I say to try to explain things concisely and tentatively taken as though I'd (1) stated them without ambiguity and (2) submitted them for review at some scientific journal or something. We're waiting for more information, too. I didn't think that was so unclear.
AND using those to make a stream of unflattering judgments about me. Have you been taking lessons from Miz or something? You seem to be getting along really well lately.
I'm not a very principled person to begin with; there's not much I really believe in. A lot of positions I take are just how things look to me at the moment, or reflexes I have, left over from before. So, I guess, please feel free to consider me a horrible irresponsible person if that's what you really think I am. From certain points of view, you're definitely correct.
Think what you want. I don't ... care. I guess.
Right now ... I thought I'd come to terms with death, that it wasn't something I was really afraid of anymore. Staring it in the eye for an extended period, having that long to see it coming, and then never quite arrive. It's not even as though it was very last-minute, but, I'm not used to having an extended period to consider how a timeline I'm currently experiencing is completely unique to my current body and that experience is shortly going to end. Probably horribly. Only ... it never did.
I know you kind of like chewing on people, Ms. Culome. Usually I kind of enjoy discussing stuff, but right now I'm ... I don't think I'm up to it. It's not like what happens now is in my control in any real way. I'm in quarantine. A prisoner, again, and my head's kind of all sideways.
Just for now, I'd be grateful if you could please find another sparring partner. |
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
30
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Posted - 2017.04.10 14:57:51 -
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How are the spirits inside the Keepstar? Are the non privilleged habitants happy with the cure? |
Skyweir Kinnison
The Scope Gallente Federation
445
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:03:29 -
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I'm waiting for the eccentric medic who will claim this vaccine causes autism in capsuleers. Because there will be a correlation.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9495
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:05:02 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:How are the spirits inside the Keepstar? Are the non privilleged habitants happy with the cure?
Well, there may have been drunken celebration after the conclusion of the formal Inquest, if that's any indication.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
30
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:12:06 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: Well, there may have been drunken celebration after the conclusion of the formal Inquest, if that's any indication.
I meant after the arrival of equipments. Everyone chill headed and all with the reclusion time ? |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9495
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:15:12 -
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Given the size of the Keepstar, I think the personnel won't suffer from any sort of cabin fever. Many of them are just glad to not be doomed.
Honestly, we'll have to see what results, but for now I'd say the initial elation after a sense of doom has resulted in a remarkable reprieve.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3287
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:23:32 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:How are the spirits inside the Keepstar? Are the non privilleged habitants happy with the cure?
Right now people seem mostly pretty relieved; the festive mood hasn't really died down around here.
There's some concern about the whole situation, of course; just because we're not going to die immediately and there's hopefully relief on the way to other quarantine zones doesn't quite mean the crisis is over, and, also, we've just had a brush with a near-mythic plague whose full nature and characteristics aren't fully known. It's hard to say what the long-term effects are going to be, of either the pathogen or its cure.
I'm hoping to find out more about the cure, but, now that my role as a delegate's been exhausted information's gotten harder to come by. There were some indications at some point that the cure might have damaging neurological side-effects-- psychosis, that kind of thing, and not on the kind of extreme-term time frame Arrendis is talking about. I'm not clear on whether we ever found out for sure.
(My reference to the possibility that I might become violent wasn't me poking fun: it's an actual possibility.)
For now, there's a lot going on. I'm just kind of trying to stay out of the way. |
Thomas en Gravonere
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:01:34 -
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In the end of the day, I am glad to see level heads persevere.
Apologies that I could not stay at the celebration long, but my attention was required elsewhere. |
TomHorn
Kresh Leaves
297
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:07:13 -
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You diseased and guinea pig Caldari capsuleers are no longer welcome in the State. You were warned about working with outside sources.
Look at you now, diseased and guinea pigs.
Ill petition the CEP to renounce your status as Caldari citizens , we admire what you have achieved, with your international friends , cure , good, but we don't your disease ridden bodies back in the State. Ill push for medal for you , how does the glory outcasts sound?
If you see them in the State , kill them , cause brain damage so they can't clone properly, burn'em. Its only way to protect State citizens. |
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9501
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:17:04 -
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Horn, just for you, I'm going to flounce around as much of Caldari space as I can.
Hey, maybe we can even make a parade of it!
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Sinjin Mokk
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1216
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:30:58 -
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So this Keepstar...
Recent business dealings have shown that Upwell stations, by their nature, have certain windows of vulnerability. During these windows, as we have seen, it is possible to inflict severe damage and even destroy these stations.
I suppose I'm being true to form in asking the "doom and gloom" questions, but what is the window of vulnerability for the Inquest Station?
I'm not advocating for additional security...I think there are too many people flouncing around the containment areas as it is...but for those who are already there, it might be wise to be mindful of time.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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TomHorn
Kresh Leaves
297
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:33:59 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Horn, just for you, I'm going to flounce around as much of Caldari space as I can.
Hey, maybe we can even make a parade of it!
That's just what i'd expect from you liberal extremists, you don't even reside in State Priano-Hanni. If we catch you , we'll have some whoopee time with you, then we'll burn you.
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Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
374
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:35:08 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:So this Keepstar...
Recent business dealings have shown that Upwell stations, by their nature, have certain windows of vulnerability. During these windows, as we have seen, it is possible to inflict severe damage and even destroy these stations.
I suppose I'm being true to form in asking the "doom and gloom" questions, but what is the window of vulnerability for the Inquest Station?
I'm not advocating for additional security...I think there are too many people flouncing around the containment areas as it is...but for those who are already there, it might be wise to be mindful of time.
From what I saw there is no vulnerability timer on this Keepstar. A wise move to keep that sort of information away from capsuleers in my opinion. |
Doctor Valate
Delve Medical Services
98
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:35:09 -
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Well, I, for one, am pleased that some form of treatment for the Kyonoke agent has been discovered.
That's one less potential bioweapon out there, and as some of you may know, I have a particularly dim view of people who want bioweapons.
Doctor Valerie Valate. Not to be confused with the other Valerie Valate.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1543
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:35:49 -
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Unlike most Upwell structures, this is not in a capsuleer corporation and thus perfectly safe in highsec space, protected by CONCORD. Can't even bribe them for combat access like you can any other citadel in highsec. If you could, the thing would have been a smoking wreck seven days after erection on the minute I'd wager.
Unsurprisingly, this also means you can't contain the contagion on it since getting valid target bribes in for every visitor - even if you could somehow convince them all to stay there for over twenty-four hours - is next to impossible. |
Tsao Aubbes
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
79
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:37:02 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:So this Keepstar...
Recent business dealings have shown that Upwell stations, by their nature, have certain windows of vulnerability. During these windows, as we have seen, it is possible to inflict severe damage and even destroy these stations.
I suppose I'm being true to form in asking the "doom and gloom" questions, but what is the window of vulnerability for the Inquest Station?
I'm not advocating for additional security...I think there are too many people flouncing around the containment areas as it is...but for those who are already there, it might be wise to be mindful of time.
Regardless of when it becomes vulnerable, Sir, your corporation would need a valid declaration of war on the SoCT before you could legally shoot it. It is in highsec afterall, Sir..
No Longer a Drone Region Resident
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3124
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:57:26 -
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TomHorn wrote:You diseased and guinea pig Caldari capsuleers are no longer welcome in the State. You were warned about working with outside sources.
Look at you now, diseased and guinea pigs.
You said that last bit already. It's bad form to repeat yourself so quickly.
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Ashihei Shikkoken
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:58:32 -
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TomHorn wrote:Ill petition the CEP to renounce your status as Caldari citizens , we admire what you have achieved, with your international friends , cure , good, but we don't your disease ridden bodies back in the State. Ill push for medal for you , how does the glory outcasts sound? Remember Myrskaa.
I'd urge you to reconsider your petition. Let's look at the early takeaway.
- Quarantined sites will be testing ground for innoculation, an effort which could potentially save tens of millions of lives on Oijanen II, many of them State citizens.
- Inquest data will be released, which we expect will include details on suspected rogue Federation weaponization, granting the State scientific insight and potential strategic parity.
- By public accounts, Caldari researchers were instrumental in arriving at key discoveries during the Inquest, demonstrating formidable scientific and forensic capabilities of the State.
The situation will develop. Increased vigilance will be assured at the quarantine sites. The State is still sovereign within its borders and may execute a purge if innoculation proves insufficient. I think the CEP will find this outcome to be a net win, I doubt you will convince them otherwise.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3124
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:03:20 -
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Tsao Aubbes wrote: Regardless of when it becomes vulnerable, Sir, your corporation would need a valid declaration of war on the SoCT before you could legally shoot it. It is in highsec afterall, Sir..
Not actually true. You can shoot at any non-capsuleer organization without CONCORD reprisal (and the Society, despite having eggers, is a baseliner organization), even in high-sec. Just this morning, an old instructor of mine was telling me about 'accidentally' locking up a pair of Caldari Navy Scorpions and firing a few barrages from her Oracle while helping some new graduate deal with rogue drones near Arnon. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3124
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:04:50 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Horn, just for you, I'm going to flounce around as much of Caldari space as I can.
Hey, maybe we can even make a parade of it!
Personally, I think this is the most interesting thing to come out of the Inquest: Makoto threatening to flounce. Remember that proper flouncing requires white lacy attire, and preferably a wide, floppy hat. |
Yoshitaka Moromuo
Madhatter's Tea House Arx Alliance
41
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:14:15 -
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TomHorn wrote:You diseased and guinea pig Caldari capsuleers are no longer welcome in the State. You were warned about working with outside sources.
Look at you now, diseased and guinea pigs.
Ill petition the CEP to renounce your status as Caldari citizens , we admire what you have achieved, with your international friends , cure , good, but we don't your disease ridden bodies back in the State. Ill push for medal for you , how does the glory outcasts sound?
If you see them in the State , kill them , cause brain damage so they can't clone properly, burn'em. Its only way to protect State citizens. This is a troubling view. I strongly urge reconsideration. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2065
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:24:11 -
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Arrendis wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Horn, just for you, I'm going to flounce around as much of Caldari space as I can.
Hey, maybe we can even make a parade of it! Personally, I think this is the most interesting thing to come out of the Inquest: Makoto threatening to flounce. Remember that proper flouncing requires white lacy attire, and preferably a wide, floppy hat.
What about an outfit like Synthia's favourite dress ?
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3125
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:30:00 -
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A short skirt's better for flouncing, but that wouldn't be unacceptable. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1544
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:39:45 -
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Arrendis wrote:Tsao Aubbes wrote: Regardless of when it becomes vulnerable, Sir, your corporation would need a valid declaration of war on the SoCT before you could legally shoot it. It is in highsec afterall, Sir..
Not actually true. You can shoot at any non-capsuleer organization without CONCORD reprisal (and the Society, despite having eggers, is a baseliner organization), even in high-sec. Just this morning, an old instructor of mine was telling me about 'accidentally' locking up a pair of Caldari Navy Scorpions and firing a few barrages from her Oracle while helping some new graduate deal with rogue drones near Arnon.
Okay, now I want to see someone successfully suicide gank a highsec Keepstar, even if only because it'd be the single most unprecedented action in New Eden. I mean, not even plowing a supercarrier into a station can compare. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9501
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:48:34 -
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Personally, I can't wait to see what surfaces when audits begin of FIO and Poteque records.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3126
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:51:07 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Okay, now I want to see someone successfully suicide gank a highsec Keepstar, even if only because it'd be the single most unprecedented action in New Eden. I mean, not even plowing a supercarrier into a station can compare.
Structures, alas, have different rules when it comes to what your ship will even lock. Especially since Entosis warfare was introduced. It's rather annoying. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3126
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:54:53 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Personally, I can't wait to see what surfaces when audits begin of FIO and Poteque records.
I have a copy of the FIO audit right here:
From: [REDACTED] To: [REDACTED] Re: [REDACTED]
On or about [REDACTED], [REDACTED]. [REDACTED] then [REDACTED] while [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED].
[REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED].
[REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. Unfortunately [REDACTED] was [REDACTED] [REDACTED].
[REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED].
[REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED]. [REDACTED].
[REDACTED]. [REDACTED].
Sincerely, [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED], YC119 |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9501
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:58:21 -
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The amendment we sponsored very explicitly mentioned veracity and completeness.
That wasn't very complete, was it?
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TomHorn
Kresh Leaves
299
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Posted - 2017.04.10 19:11:05 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:The amendment we sponsored very explicitly mentioned veracity and completeness.
That wasn't very complete, was it?
FIO reports made public , if that's true...!
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