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Satchel Darkmatter
Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group
50
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Posted - 2017.02.18 09:28:00 -
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This event sucked balls.
The Serpentis event was a lot better, looked more epic, had more things to shoot and rewarded more/better loot, Ironically with this event the first wave is the most annoying and I suspect gave alpha pilots more hassle than the res of the ships that spawned after it.
What should have happened was this, the High Sec sites should have been visible to Alpha Pilots while the low sec and null sites should have been visible to everyone, another ironic thing was that tons of Null and Low Sec players left null and low sec en masse to complete these sites in Highsec which screwed the alpha's even more.
CCP it's crystal clear this game is a PvP game, but that does not mean you need to **** all over any PvE elements , it can have good PvE and amazing PvP they are not mutually exclusive.
Basically pull your finger out your ass this **** was week as ****. |
Cygnus Veram
University of Caille
5
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Posted - 2017.02.18 09:42:27 -
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Satchel Darkmatter wrote:CCP it's crystal clear this game is a PvP game, but that does not mean you need to **** all over any PvE elements
Yes, it does and should.
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Kaivarian Coste
Stellar Supply
100
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Posted - 2017.02.18 11:02:06 -
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I think the event is all right. It doesn't spark my interest, but if I see a site and my system is empty, I'll run it. |
Kaivarian Coste
Stellar Supply
100
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Posted - 2017.02.18 11:05:12 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote: There were plex dropping in the last event from what I've been told in addition to clothes, quads and possibly boosters but im not sure about the boosters.
What? For real??
If PLEX dropped, then this event would totally be worth it. |
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1325
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Posted - 2017.02.18 11:06:52 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:For anyone at CCP listening, this event was a colossal fail. The good: GÇó Yay, some new free SKINs... GÇó Competition and interaction is always a good thing
The bad: GÇó Very rare drops for Angel SKINs (you have to basically buy these from CCP) GÇó No accelerators or really anything else for that matter (occasional synth drug doesn't count) GÇó No meta loot drops and salvage is practically worthless (I've done it just to kill time) GÇó These sites were apparently designed specifically for Alphas, yet most Alphas have no chance of clearing these in any kind of reasonable timeframe before an Omega swoops in and clears it. Case 1: A Corax that dragged the first wave of frigates out to 100km+. Case 2: A Gnosis that had little if any chance of hitting the frigate wave. Too many other examples to list, but I never lost a single site to an Alpha or saw an Alpha actually get the prize, for that matter.
I'm sure others have points that I've missed...
the event is cool, you are stupid
Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
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Salvos Rhoska
2186
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Posted - 2017.02.18 11:09:34 -
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What do you guys expect for destroying 5 frigs, 5 cruisers and a BC, that spawn all over the place?
PvE v PvP
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Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2017.02.18 12:10:34 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I'm just saying that there have certainly been better variants of these events, and that this one falls on the lower end of the spectrum. This is just my opinion - no one is under any obligation to agree or disagree. And if you're in the group that is enjoying the event, more power to you. o7
I do agree that this is certainly one of their weaker efforts. It is also quite a frustrating experience for alpha skilled players, although ostensibly for them, it takes a while, and they get contested so often, they either become easy kills or frustrated at losing the prize.
I will not judge as to whether it meets CCP's goals, but as an omega, the prizes are not really worth the effort of running more than occasionally, and certainly not enough to log on especially to run these sites.
They may of course be trying to establish just how low the rewards can go, and still get activity, the danger however is players get jaded and don't bother next time.
But free stuff is free stuff, if it is worth the effort of picking up, but it's a close thing this time. |
Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2017.02.18 12:38:14 -
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Cygnus Veram wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Do you think that CCP made this content for PVE? HAHA Hell not; They made it only for PVP stuff; They made PVE content in a PVP sandbox.
You do realise what sandbox means? It certainly does not mean everyone has to play according to your PERSONAL preconception.
But if that is your view, when you log on, please feel free to imagine that you are playing in your own Personal PVP sandbox, just be aware that most people will be playing in entirely their own way, and messing it up for you, as they are meant to, you know, as in the phrase, "sandbox" |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
703
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Posted - 2017.02.18 13:32:08 -
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Alderson Point wrote:Cygnus Veram wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Do you think that CCP made this content for PVE? HAHA Hell not; They made it only for PVP stuff; They made PVE content in a PVP sandbox. You do realise what sandbox means? It certainly does not mean everyone has to play according to your PERSONAL preconception. But if that is your view, when you log on, please feel free to imagine that you are playing in your own Personal PVP sandbox, just be aware that most people will be playing in entirely their own way, and messing it up for you, as they are meant to, you know, as in the phrase, "sandbox"
so you dont agree that EvE is a PvP sandbox game?
Just Add Water
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Cygnus Veram
University of Caille
5
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Posted - 2017.02.18 14:41:16 -
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Alderson Point wrote:Cygnus Veram wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Do you think that CCP made this content for PVE? HAHA Hell not; They made it only for PVP stuff; They made PVE content in a PVP sandbox. You do realise what sandbox means? It certainly does not mean everyone has to play according to your PERSONAL preconception. But if that is your view, when you log on, please feel free to imagine that you are playing in your own Personal PVP sandbox, just be aware that most people will be playing in entirely their own way, and messing it up for you, as they are meant to, you know, as in the phrase, "sandbox"
You conveniently left out something important.
PVP sandbox. PVP is not optional. |
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
2
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Posted - 2017.02.19 01:42:01 -
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Cygnus Veram wrote:Alderson Point wrote:Cygnus Veram wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Do you think that CCP made this content for PVE? HAHA Hell not; They made it only for PVP stuff; They made PVE content in a PVP sandbox. You do realise what sandbox means? It certainly does not mean everyone has to play according to your PERSONAL preconception. But if that is your view, when you log on, please feel free to imagine that you are playing in your own Personal PVP sandbox, just be aware that most people will be playing in entirely their own way, and messing it up for you, as they are meant to, you know, as in the phrase, "sandbox" You conveniently left out something important. PVP sandbox. PVP is not optional.
PVP sandbox? PVP is not optional? Say wot? That denies a meaning of "Sandbox"; |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5636
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Posted - 2017.02.19 01:54:25 -
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It never ceases to amaze me how any constructive criticism of content turns into "EVE isn't PvE", "PvP 'real' players vs. PvE carebears", "EVE is a PvP sandbox" and "HTFU or GTFO n00b".
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Liafcipe9000
ShekelSquad Interhole Revenue Service
37312
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Posted - 2017.02.19 08:41:49 -
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a thrasher with shield buffer and fusion ammo should be able to complete such a site. but just because these are said to be doable with an alpha doesn't mean alpha pilots will complete them, nor did anyone say they will be easy for everyone. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3856
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Posted - 2017.02.19 09:08:15 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:a thrasher with shield buffer and fusion ammo should be able to complete such a site. but just because these are said to be doable with an alpha doesn't mean alpha pilots will complete them, nor did anyone say they will be easy for everyone. Please, stream trying these sites in such a ship and see how well it goes. The frigates are on level with incursion frigates from what I know, meaning they hit hard and fast. Alpha pilots 'can' do the sites, but not casually. Which is fine. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
47080
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Posted - 2017.02.19 09:25:17 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:... "EVE is a PvP sandbox" ... It's just a statement of fact. Not a statement that PVE doesn't exist.
CCP's description (which has been linked many times over the last couple of years, because people still refuse to understand the nature of the game):
The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
472
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Posted - 2017.02.19 10:18:10 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Liafcipe9000 wrote:a thrasher with shield buffer and fusion ammo should be able to complete such a site. but just because these are said to be doable with an alpha doesn't mean alpha pilots will complete them, nor did anyone say they will be easy for everyone. Please, stream trying these sites in such a ship and see how well it goes. The frigates are on level with incursion frigates from what I know, meaning they hit hard and fast. Alpha pilots 'can' do the sites, but not casually. Which is fine.
I am alpha and I do them casually, whatever that means. I can tank those frigates all day in my gnosis, and that is only using 3 low slots for tank. Could probably do it only using 2 slots for tank. Whenever you guys mention Alphas you always refer to them as if they are newbros. Seriously need a new term, Alpha is all encompassing newbros and veteran players. The biggest challenge is winning the bc wreck ownership when you get contested by other players. You just have to know the mechanics to get past that challenge. Although Omegas who also play by the mechanics can not really be beat when it comes to winning the wreck ownership.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
2
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Posted - 2017.02.19 11:20:53 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:... "EVE is a PvP sandbox" ... It's just a statement of fact. Not a statement that PVE doesn't exist. CCP's description (which has been linked many times over the last couple of years, because people still refuse to understand the nature of the game): The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment.
U failed:
Quote:This is because EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core. If the other pilot had no right to attack you then CONCORD will track him down and punish him for his crimes, so long as the attack took place in high security space.
That means any behavior of ganking others in High sec space is forbidden. But CCP screw their mechanic just to please only one side of ppl playing - PVPers; That Gankers avoid or break the game mechanic rules to keep them doing that without any punishment at all; |
Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2017.02.19 18:03:09 -
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Anyone know about the 3 missing skins? the Talos, Anshar and Itty 5? |
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
614
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Posted - 2017.02.19 18:12:46 -
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Decaneos wrote:Anyone know about the 3 missing skins? the Talos, Anshar and Itty 5?
I was wondering more about the missing Angel Battlecruiser Hull. Its an inflated cynabal. They coulda skinned a cyclone or hurricane and put the angel ticker on it and it woulda worked at least a little. Lore could even say the angels stole the hull and repurposed it as other pirates have done with other vessels. IMO basing an event around a race that doesn't even have its shipline hashed out is poor business practice and only offers to shine light on CCP's rather spotty development abilities.
Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
47089
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Posted - 2017.02.19 20:44:52 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:That means any behavior of ganking others in High sec space is forbidden. Strange. You used to be a ganker, so you'd know better than I do that ganking is not forbidden. There are just consequences for it that are different than the consequences of pvp in lowsec or null,duels or wardecs.
Not sure where the idea that ganking having consequences means the game isn't a fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment (CCP's words) comes from though. |
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ISD Buldath
1095
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Posted - 2017.02.19 21:59:04 -
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For people receiving nasty or harassing EVE-Mails, sharing them on he forums is not how you deal with it.
Putting in a ticket to CCP and letting the GM's Handle it, is how you deal with it.
Now you know. Also removed post regarding above.
~ISD Buldath
Instructor King of the Forums! Knight of the General Discussion
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
3
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Posted - 2017.02.20 12:33:59 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:That means any behavior of ganking others in High sec space is forbidden. Strange. You used to be a ganker, so you'd know better than I do that ganking is not forbidden. There are just consequences for it that are different than the consequences of pvp in lowsec or null,duels or wardecs. Not sure where the idea that ganking having consequences means the game isn't a fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment (CCP's words) comes from though.
Show me where i ganged someon in high sec :)
Scipio Artelius wrote: fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment.
Were looking for it but can't find it ;)
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Major Trant
Radchak's Raiders
1602
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Posted - 2017.02.20 13:36:07 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Tuttomenui II wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Yep they're trash. They're pretty easy in a gnosis for alphas though. Plenty of mid slots for tracking computers. I use beam lasers and warp in at 30-50km. With two tracking speed scripts the frigates are pretty easy. They're still the hardest part. Cruiser and bc are easy kills.
But yeah I had a few stolen from me because ships can just show up and one shot the bc and it takes me 5-7 hits with imperial navy multifrequency. If they were made for alphas only alphas should have been able to warp to the beacons so i doubt they were made with alphas in mind because they aren't dropping anything good and are just sort of a time sink. I'd rather go do a den or drone site that will drop 50-100m and buy whatever skin i want from the event. I think they are only dropping the skins because that is what they are meant for. It would mess up the market for them to drop other stuff. And the bounties are low because if they were better it would contribute to isk inflation. Skins don't really add anything but cosmetics to the game so flooding us with those doesn't hurt anything. There were plex dropping in the last event from what I've been told in addition to clothes, quads and possibly boosters but im not sure about the boosters. There were no PLEX dropping in that or any other event. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5673
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Posted - 2017.02.20 13:56:52 -
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Major Trant wrote:There were no PLEX dropping in that or any other event. There's been at least one event where PLEX was one of the possible rewards that dropped.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1122
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Posted - 2017.02.20 14:25:47 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:Decaneos wrote:Anyone know about the 3 missing skins? the Talos, Anshar and Itty 5? I was wondering more about the missing Angel Battlecruiser Hull. Its an inflated cynabal. They coulda skinned a cyclone or hurricane and put the angel ticker on it and it woulda worked at least a little. Lore could even say the angels stole the hull and repurposed it as other pirates have done with other vessels. IMO basing an event around a race that doesn't even have its shipline hashed out is poor business practice and only offers to shine light on CCP's rather spotty development abilities.
Angel BC's USED to be modeled after the Cyclone. Some time ago, all Angel BC's were given the Cynabal model, likely a stopgap measure implemented due to issues with getting SKINs to play nice with certain hull designs.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1284
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Posted - 2017.02.21 03:18:42 -
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Major Trant wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Tuttomenui II wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Yep they're trash. They're pretty easy in a gnosis for alphas though. Plenty of mid slots for tracking computers. I use beam lasers and warp in at 30-50km. With two tracking speed scripts the frigates are pretty easy. They're still the hardest part. Cruiser and bc are easy kills.
But yeah I had a few stolen from me because ships can just show up and one shot the bc and it takes me 5-7 hits with imperial navy multifrequency. If they were made for alphas only alphas should have been able to warp to the beacons so i doubt they were made with alphas in mind because they aren't dropping anything good and are just sort of a time sink. I'd rather go do a den or drone site that will drop 50-100m and buy whatever skin i want from the event. I think they are only dropping the skins because that is what they are meant for. It would mess up the market for them to drop other stuff. And the bounties are low because if they were better it would contribute to isk inflation. Skins don't really add anything but cosmetics to the game so flooding us with those doesn't hurt anything. There were plex dropping in the last event from what I've been told in addition to clothes, quads and possibly boosters but im not sure about the boosters. There were no PLEX dropping in that or any other event. Sorry Trant you are incorrect. PLEX and MCTs both dropped from one of the events last year. I got several myself and had thought it bogus until one did drop for me. Trying to remember if it was the BR or the Serp one that did it.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47106
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Posted - 2017.02.21 05:45:01 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Show me where i ganged someon in high sec :) This Bestower in Kaunokka: https://zkillboard.com/kill/5023328/ You were killed immediately afterwards, in the same minute, by the Caldari Sentry Guns: https://zkillboard.com/kill/5023330/
This is pre-CREST verified killmails, so your fit is not included, but the Bestower kill shows you firing Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles.
Naye Nathaniel wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment.
Were looking for it but can't find it ;) https://puu.sh/ucJ7n/3865d1799d.png
there's also this bit:
https://puu.sh/ucJ8S/5ec61bf960.png |
Otago Dogwalker
The Scope Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2017.02.21 06:24:17 -
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The event is only dropping skins as it is, to all intents and purposes, a business function. One of those mind numbing do's where they sit you by the bins unless your "team" has sold the most paper this year.
At least the Angels aren't dropping looted hotel towels and mini soaps...
BTW these sites are easy in an Algos, 5 drones and 3 Rails. No probs...
Otago
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Jamie Munba
Tradex Inc
2
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Posted - 2017.02.21 13:26:26 -
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I decided to run a Cpl of these as there were like 20 stacked up in null over 10 systems, I did 3 and got bored, and ended up with 30m for the three.
I can see them being good for the alphas, there were 10 in between 2 systems, good isk for an alpha but not enough to keep me interested.
I trade for isk, risk ships for isk, it's all about the space pennies baby! Billionaire living, Trillionaire dreaming!!
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
4
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Posted - 2017.02.22 15:07:13 -
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Now it start respawning like hell...
Anyway to everyone who says "EVE IS PVP CORE GAME";
I have a realy simple question; How u get ISK u little PVPer for all of your ships? or How u get a ships for your PVP stuff? (including modules, ammo etc) and don't try to lie to me because at the very begining u had to do and probably still u have to do PVE stuff to earn ISK for ships/modules/ammo;
All that hardcore SOV Null sec Alliances - why they hold theirs a little piece of space? FOR ANOMALIES , ISK - RATTING, simple as that. |
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