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Yagubiougami
Systema Incognita
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Posted - 2017.02.21 11:12:02 -
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I think they could make Data sites drop things for implants manufacturing like ghost sites do. That would obviously require adding such a system( to manufacture implants) but they clearly can do this as shown by ascendancy line.
Or make skill books only droppable from data sites and not sold by npcs. It would eliminate those two things from supposedly "player controlled" market.
Just my 0.02 ISK |
ApexDynamo
Hazardous Wormhole Rebels
6
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Posted - 2017.02.21 16:38:06 -
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I just made 20m from a data site in a wh thats the best ive ever gotten from a data site thus far |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2932
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Posted - 2017.02.21 23:16:17 -
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Krysalys Terminus wrote:Re Combat sites: In any given system, the harder Combat sites will give you more Isk than the easier sites. Damn this confusion about escalations, or HS vs LS vs Null.
All of that crap is irrelevant to the point stated:
Activity A (Relic Sites) are worth more for your time than Activity B (Data Sites), and it is a waste of time to do Activity B when you could be doing Activity A instead; RESULTING IN everyone else who comes along being screwed by you because you managed to get to Activity A before all of them.
Trying to confuse everyone with nonsensical bull sh!t only makes you look dense.
All I am trying to ask is for the two possible activities while doing Exploration Sites to be equally worth your time as a player, so that you can always know that the sites you are spending your time scanning down are not someone else's dredges.
Do you have any arguments that don't include random ad hominem inclusions?
Look, when I run exploration I'm looking for a handful of sites: ghost sites, superior sleeper caches, 5/10s, 6/10s, annexes, and distribution facilities (I'm often in a ladar region). Those are, for me, the most profitable sites to run given my overall setup.
However, they are far from equal. I would much rather get a 6/10 than a 5/10 (at least in the regions I'm in most often). But that doesn't mean I don't run the damn 5/10 even if I might be missing out of a 6/10.
Why, and how is any of this relevant?
Game theory works here, I suppose. I'm basically faced with a choice between a known payout for a known cost and the chance for an unknown payout that might and might not appear. Yes, the unknown payout is better, but I have no guarantee of getting it. I've decided, again based on my own circumstances and ability, that the 5/10 is an acceptable payout against the risk of not getting anything. Would I run 6/10s all day if they were available? Of course! Am I willing to risk passing on getting one for the right price? Sure!
Relevance? You're doing the same thing with data versus relic. You've decided that for you, under your circumstances, the payout of data sites is not high enough to risk missing a relic. And that's your call. I'm not here to tell you you're wrong. However, your personal judgement about relative worth and availability doesn't point towards a structural problem any more than my preference for 6/10s means that 5/10s are **** and need to be boosted and/or more 6/10s should spawn.
You've utterly failed to justify the existence of an actual problem here.
Try this. Next time you're out, hit all the data sites. Cherry pick them; I don't care. Spend a few hours on it. Then another time, spend the same amount of time but run everything. Repeat. Make a spreadsheet. For completeness, do a run for the same controlled amount of time doing only relics and hunting hard for them, skipping all else. Track it all. If there's a real problem, it will show up in the data.
Until then, you're pissing at the wind and claiming to be right based on a sense of entitlement and nothing more. |
Lord Harrowmont
Quantum Decoherence Safeties Set To Red
3
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Posted - 2017.02.22 05:09:59 -
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Krysalys Terminus wrote:I am thinking that I am not the first to say this, but regarding Known Space Data Sites.... and excluding the Sleeper Sites.... Data sites are trash. In a relic site, if you make X isk in 5 cans, on average, it will take you 5 data sites with 5 cans in each site, to make that same X isk.... I am fairly sure that it is NOT an exaggeration to say that 90% of all players who run Cosmic Signatures skip over every Data site that they see, simply because the massive likelihood that it will be a utter waste of time is so high... What is being done to rectify this?
You need to up your game, head into Wormholes for fat loots.
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
146
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Posted - 2017.02.22 05:27:50 -
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Lord Harrowmont wrote:Krysalys Terminus wrote:I am thinking that I am not the first to say this, but regarding Known Space Data Sites.... and excluding the Sleeper Sites.... Data sites are trash. In a relic site, if you make X isk in 5 cans, on average, it will take you 5 data sites with 5 cans in each site, to make that same X isk.... I am fairly sure that it is NOT an exaggeration to say that 90% of all players who run Cosmic Signatures skip over every Data site that they see, simply because the massive likelihood that it will be a utter waste of time is so high... What is being done to rectify this? You need to up your game, head into Wormholes for fat loots. I tried them. They aren't even REMOTELY worth the risk. |
Lord Harrowmont
Quantum Decoherence Safeties Set To Red
5
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Posted - 2017.02.22 06:14:33 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Lord Harrowmont wrote:Krysalys Terminus wrote:I am thinking that I am not the first to say this, but regarding Known Space Data Sites.... and excluding the Sleeper Sites.... Data sites are trash. In a relic site, if you make X isk in 5 cans, on average, it will take you 5 data sites with 5 cans in each site, to make that same X isk.... I am fairly sure that it is NOT an exaggeration to say that 90% of all players who run Cosmic Signatures skip over every Data site that they see, simply because the massive likelihood that it will be a utter waste of time is so high... What is being done to rectify this? You need to up your game, head into Wormholes for fat loots. I tried them. They aren't even REMOTELY worth the risk.
Your not trying hard enough then. Making fat ISK on the regular.
The loot is mainly RNG so it's important to keep that in mind my friend! |
Lan-Tui Aylet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.02.22 10:06:01 -
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Hi; this is my first message in the forums (at least as I recall). (also, English is not my main lang, sorry for the mistakes)
I don't usually like cherrypicking, but I wonder, how is it different from other pvp practices, so strongly defended in the forum?
I mean. When you cherrypick, specially out of your usual exploration zone: -You make other competing explorers lose their time scanning just-crap sites -You make that zone (in which you don't usually operate) less productive -So, you disencourage other explorers, perhaps moving them to avoid exploration, so letting more place for you And, of course, you maximize your isk/hour in that trip if you don't mind finishing or blowing the crap cans.
I can see intentionally cherrypicking as a pvp-way of competing with other explorers. So, "don't cherrypick!" should be looked into as if someone said "don't blow other people's ships!", shouldn't it? |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2075
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Posted - 2017.02.22 10:11:33 -
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Lan-Tui Aylet wrote:Hi; this is my first message in the forums (at least as I recall). (also, English is not my main lang, sorry for the mistakes) I don't usually like cherrypicking, but I wonder, how is it different from other pvp practices, so strongly defended in the forum? I mean. When you cherrypick, specially out of your usual exploration zone: -You make other competing explorers lose their time scanning just-crap sites -You make that zone (in which you don't usually operate) less productive -So, you disencourage other explorers, perhaps moving them to avoid exploration, so letting more place for you And, of course, you maximize your isk/hour in that trip if you don't mind finishing or blowing the crap cans. I can see intentionally cherrypicking as a pvp-way of competing with other explorers. So, "don't cherrypick!" should be looked into as if someone said "don't blow other people's ships!", shouldn't it? Well, you are right. This is PvP too. And noone takes seriously these 'requests'
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Oranen
WIng and Prayer
7
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Posted - 2017.02.22 13:36:14 -
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I'll do data sites in null if I can't find anything else. I do not do them in wormhole systems because of the distance between cans is too much time to be exposed when the risk versus reward is factored in. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
146
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:20:50 -
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Lord Harrowmont wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Lord Harrowmont wrote:Krysalys Terminus wrote:I am thinking that I am not the first to say this, but regarding Known Space Data Sites.... and excluding the Sleeper Sites.... Data sites are trash. In a relic site, if you make X isk in 5 cans, on average, it will take you 5 data sites with 5 cans in each site, to make that same X isk.... I am fairly sure that it is NOT an exaggeration to say that 90% of all players who run Cosmic Signatures skip over every Data site that they see, simply because the massive likelihood that it will be a utter waste of time is so high... What is being done to rectify this? You need to up your game, head into Wormholes for fat loots. I tried them. They aren't even REMOTELY worth the risk. Your not trying hard enough then. Making fat ISK on the regular. The loot is mainly RNG so it's important to keep that in mind my friend! 10 sites in one night for a grand total of 15m isk... not an 'effort' problem... |
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Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.04.21 13:15:11 -
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The problem is not low demand for Data Loot. The problem is high supply for Data Loot. Remove Datacores from Loyalty Stores, problem solved. |
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2017.04.21 17:14:06 -
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Exploration throughout the EvE universe was my main activity for a long while. I still do it but to a much lesser degree. Would run every data or relic site that I came across and took everything that dropped (even carbon). I'm still sitting on quite a bit that I have collected. Relic sites on average do pay better than data, but the single biggest payout I've ever encountered was from a data site worth billions of ISK. Other sites I've run were not worth much so I just stockpile the stuff until for some reason the market explodes on an item or 2 and I'm sitting on a fortune of crap that I've never even considered selling because it wasn't worth my time to haul it around. The point is if you are looking solely to make ISK, exploration isn't really worth it. If you are out poking around, looking for wormholes or even looking for relic sites why wouldn't you run the data sites as well? You are there anyway. If you are looking to maximize your ISK/Hour, you can do almost anything other than exploration and make more.
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
163
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Posted - 2017.04.21 18:02:17 -
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Krysalys Terminus wrote:I am thinking that I am not the first to say this, but regarding Known Space Data Sites.... and excluding the Sleeper Sites.... Data sites are trash. In a relic site, if you make X isk in 5 cans, on average, it will take you 5 data sites with 5 cans in each site, to make that same X isk.... I am fairly sure that it is NOT an exaggeration to say that 90% of all players who run Cosmic Signatures skip over every Data site that they see, simply because the massive likelihood that it will be a utter waste of time is so high... What is being done to rectify this?
THIS SHALL BE DEALT WITH!!!!!!! |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
284
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Posted - 2017.04.22 01:27:55 -
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Data sites are trash everywhere except ghost sites and sleeper caches If there's no bpc don't bother and just move on, and by bpc I mean a good bpc.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
284
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Posted - 2017.04.22 01:29:09 -
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Joey Bags wrote: Exploration throughout the EvE universe was my main activity for a long while. I still do it but to a much lesser degree. Would run every data or relic site that I came across and took everything that dropped (even carbon). I'm still sitting on quite a bit that I have collected. Relic sites on average do pay better than data, but the single biggest payout I've ever encountered was from a data site worth billions of ISK. Other sites I've run were not worth much so I just stockpile the stuff until for some reason the market explodes on an item or 2 and I'm sitting on a fortune of crap that I've never even considered selling because it wasn't worth my time to haul it around. The point is if you are looking solely to make ISK, exploration isn't really worth it. If you are out poking around, looking for wormholes or even looking for relic sites why wouldn't you run the data sites as well? You are there anyway. If you are looking to maximize your ISK/Hour, you can do almost anything other than exploration and make more.
What was the drop? |
Hello Meow Kitty
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
30
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Posted - 2017.04.22 22:46:57 -
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So what you are asking is the current prerequisite amount of data cores for invention be increased? |
Vokan Narkar
New Eden Traders Aliance
10
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Posted - 2017.04.23 01:46:41 -
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why not add blue loot into data sites?
or just create a new item that will drop in data sites and will work the same as blue loot - certain stations (different stations than those buying blue loot obviously) will buy it for set ammount of isk |
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2017.04.23 02:30:25 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Joey Bags wrote: Exploration throughout the EvE universe was my main activity for a long while. I still do it but to a much lesser degree. Would run every data or relic site that I came across and took everything that dropped (even carbon). I'm still sitting on quite a bit that I have collected. Relic sites on average do pay better than data, but the single biggest payout I've ever encountered was from a data site worth billions of ISK. Other sites I've run were not worth much so I just stockpile the stuff until for some reason the market explodes on an item or 2 and I'm sitting on a fortune of crap that I've never even considered selling because it wasn't worth my time to haul it around. The point is if you are looking solely to make ISK, exploration isn't really worth it. If you are out poking around, looking for wormholes or even looking for relic sites why wouldn't you run the data sites as well? You are there anyway. If you are looking to maximize your ISK/Hour, you can do almost anything other than exploration and make more.
What was the drop?
I will only say it was multiple large run, expensive (at the time) BPC's. I almost lost it to a gate camp too! I was going to try to make more by building the stuff myself, but after a week I realized it was going to take too much time for me to gather the stuff to build myself. So I let the industrialists do it.
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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