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Imperian Sciences
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Posted - 2017.03.02 21:02:02 -
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Hi all,
I flipped through the first few pages of this subforum and couldn't find what I was looking for (and the search feature crashed when I tried it), but I've a very general question.
Is there a "best" T3 Destroyer for PvE purposes, or are they all more or less comparable and just fly what you like? Assume equal skills for all of them and no specific enemy type.
Thank you. |
Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.03 07:57:45 -
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I have used 3 of them and now started using the 4th (Svipul). Each has their strengths and weaknesses and depending on your style and skill you could use any of them successfully. I do up to DED 4/10s, and some of the level 3 missions with them.
Personally I find the Hecate the hardest to PvE, without an afterburner bonus it is hard to active tank with stability imho.
The Confessor is the best all-round PvE unit and really fun to fly. You are stuck with EM/Thermal damage though.
The Jackdaw is easiest to fly,with light missiles or rockets that hit anything and everything in range, and lots of mid slots for tanking and resists. It is slower than the others though, so you can get sites stolen by faster ships.
I just started using the Svipul and will probably use it for a while. It absolutely shreds! The tracking is amazing, even with 250 arti.
The Hecate and Jackdaw only have 1 utility highslot, so if you are probing sites forget about fitting a salvager for those T2 wrecks :( Svipul and Confessor have 2 utility highs.
Use whatever you like and find success with.
+1 for posting in the correct forum |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
675
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Posted - 2017.03.03 11:33:58 -
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Specia1 K wrote:I just started using the Svipul and will probably use it for a while. It absolutely shreds! The tracking is amazing, even with 250 arti. Can you link fit?
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Acher0n Hades
Ze One Man Show
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Posted - 2017.03.03 11:57:04 -
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Thank you a lot for the breakdown, incredible useful for me as I am to decide wich dessi to train to T3.
Specia1 K wrote:I have used 3 of them and now started using the 4th (Svipul). Each has their strengths and weaknesses and depending on your style and skill you could use any of them successfully. I do up to DED 4/10s, and some of the level 3 missions with them. Personally I find the Hecate the hardest to PvE, without an afterburner bonus it is hard to active tank with stability imho. The Confessor is the best all-round PvE unit and really fun to fly. You are stuck with EM/Thermal damage though. The Jackdaw is easiest to fly,with light missiles or rockets that hit anything and everything in range, and lots of mid slots for tanking and resists. It is slower than the others, so you can get sites stolen by faster ships. I just started using the Svipul and will probably use it for a while. It absolutely shreds! The tracking is amazing, even with 250 arti. The Hecate and Jackdaw only have 1 utility highslot, so if you are probing sites forget about fitting a salvager for those T2 wrecks :( Svipul and Confessor have 2 utility highs. Use whatever you like and find success with. +1 for posting in the correct forum
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erg cz
Broz With Froz Dot Dot Dot
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Posted - 2017.03.03 12:05:47 -
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Acher0n Hades
Ze One Man Show
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Posted - 2017.03.03 12:12:48 -
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Is six to seven times the price of a Jackdaw. I don't feel comfortable taking 1/3 Bil. to lowsec escalations. |
Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.03 15:08:45 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Specia1 K wrote:I just started using the Svipul and will probably use it for a while. It absolutely shreds! The tracking is amazing, even with 250 arti. Can you link fit?
For Guristas sites, initially. Swapped the shield booster to the Pithi-A (from a loot drop) definitely makes the tanking solid. Still a work in progress.
[Svipul, Svipul v1.2]
Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Shadow Serpentis 1MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Gistum B-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Salvager II
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
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ScanAlt
Imperian Sciences
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Posted - 2017.03.03 15:19:16 -
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Thank you kindly! I didn't want to skill for one thing when another was clearly superior (looking at you, release Tengu), and life doesn't give me quite as much time to get into the weeds and do my own research.
Thanks again! |
Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
307
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Posted - 2017.03.04 02:33:47 -
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Passive Jackdaw is a thing too. Can swap for a Coreli-A 1MN, or fit a 5MN compact MWD if you have the skill (or a PG implant). Easiest ship to fly for low level pve. Fast reload and selectable damage types, and range to 50km+ with T2 fury.
[Jackdaw, passive]
Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II
1MN Afterburner II Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Republic Fleet Small Shield Extender EM Ward Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Light Missile Core Probe Launcher I
Small Core Defense Field Purger II Small Core Defense Field Purger II Small Core Defense Field Purger II
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2017.03.05 04:54:02 -
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My favorite for high sec work is the Confessor. Fit something like this:
[Confessor, test]
Coreli B-Type Small Armor Repairer Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
5MN Microwarpdrive II Tracking Computer II Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe [Empty High slot]
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Warps fast, aligns fast, projects 480 DPS to 14.8+3.6 with IN multi. Swap to IN UV to kite or use Aurora to pick things off that you don't feel like traveling towards. I'm very happy with it.
Hecate can work a similar fit:
[Hecate, frostline]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II
5MN Microwarpdrive II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger II
150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S Core Probe Launcher II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Damage us lower -- 375 vs. the 480 above. It's still not bad though. Little guy is quick enough to win contested sites as well. That particular fit is even cap stable.
Oh, and I never did see how it worked for our Serpentis event if you wanted to ask. RL rather interfered for all two weeks of that. This fit was made in expectation when I just figured it would end up being called Frostline like the last one.
Svipul in a similar configuration should work, but damage drops again. This would get 325:
[Svipul, test]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
5MN Microwarpdrive II Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe [Empty High slot]
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Alpha is.... nice? I guess? I dunno. I'm not that keen on the Svipul for PvE.
Jackdaw? Eh. It just doesn't do enough damage. Even with rockets, which have barely adequate range, it only pushes ~300 DPS. Light missiles you're looking at ~225. It will get by, it will do so safely, but if the site ends up contested you lose. It's easily the one I wouldn't take. |
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erg cz
Broz With Froz Dot Dot Dot
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Posted - 2017.03.06 10:09:20 -
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Acher0n Hades wrote: I don't feel comfortable taking 1/3 Bil. to lowsec escalations.
You can consider that: [Svipul, Svipul low sec PVE fit]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Domination Thermal Dissipation Amplifier Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Small Tractor Beam I 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Salvager I 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I Small Processor Overclocking Unit II Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
About 100 milions gives you 370 DPS and well over 2000 alpha. That fit is made for serpentis, you will have to swap hardeners and, maybe, rig to do escalations in other space. Requires +1 CPU implant. Idea is to use Gila in high sec anomalies and that svipul in low sec escalations.
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
309
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Posted - 2017.03.07 01:04:37 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote: Hecate can work a similar fit:
[Hecate, frostline]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II
5MN Microwarpdrive II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger II
150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S Core Probe Launcher II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Damage us lower -- 375 vs. the 480 above. It's still not bad though. Little guy is quick enough to win contested sites as well. That particular fit is even cap stable.
Oh, and I never did see how it worked for our Serpentis event if you wanted to ask. RL rather interfered for all two weeks of that. This fit was made in expectation when I just figured it would end up being called Frostline like the last one.
Not cap stable, unless you swap the Hperspatial rigs for Cap controls and one TC for a cap recharger. And still not stable in defensive mode. Hecate is really an odd duck for Mode switch bonuses. Should have AB/MWD speed bonus in propulsion mode.
Edit. At 55M, this ship is a great risk/perfomance item. |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1238
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Posted - 2017.03.07 05:00:39 -
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if you're heading into lowsec, i'd suggest flying an actual PvP fit. 10MN Afterburner Svipul with 150mm autos and a deadspace medium shield booster will see off most things that come to try and give you trouble.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2945
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Posted - 2017.03.07 05:07:39 -
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Specia1 K wrote:Not cap stable, unless you swap the Hperspatial rigs for Cap controls and one TC for a cap recharger. And still not stable in defensive mode. Hecate is really an odd duck for Mode switch bonuses. Should have AB/MWD speed bonus in propulsion mode.
Edit. At 55M, this ship is a great risk/perfomance item.
Hah. SAR was off. Oops. Stable without repper?
Still a fine ship. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
447
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Posted - 2017.03.07 08:16:55 -
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I can fly them all but really prefer the Confessor, especially for PvE.
Even though T2 crystals eventually break, I find they last so long as to be essentially a non-factor in terms of cost effectiveness. More importantly, that means carrying only one or two sets of each type I want to use. Even with a full array of crystals, I still have lots of cargo space for loot. Makes having to run to market both to rearm and to sell loot less frequent.
The Confessor does pretty much anything I care to use it for in high and low sec. Out in null I'm switching to a T3 cruiser. |
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