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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 03:19:56 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote: 15% of characters live in null.
Irrelevant. Most of my characters live in highsec. They all vote straight GSF ticket.
You can't draw a meaningful conclusion from where characters are located, because characters don't vote based on their location. They vote based on their owner's identity and preferences. Location may be weakly correlated with identity, but it damn well isn't causing it.
The CSM election results show that an overwhelming number of folks identify as 0.0 players. Thus, nullsec is the most important part of the game.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 10:19:12 -
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Max Deveron wrote:hmmm, almost sounds like maybe we need some sort of electoral system......
or maybe just make it so there are seats available based on primary areas, Amarr/Caldari/Galente/Minmatar/Anokis(WH spelling myight be wrong)....ok thats 5 seats.
Hmm, now what else do we need...... Nullsec.... 1 seat for the North (PureBlind/Tribute/Venal/Deklein/Vale of the Silent/Fade/Branch/Tenal/Geminate) 1 seat for the West (Cloud Ring/Outer RIng/Foutain/Delve/Querious/Period Basis) 1 seat for the Drone Regions(east), (Cobalt Edge/Outer Passage/The Spire/ Etherium Reach/Oasa/The Kalevala Expanse/PerrigenFalls/MalPaise) 1 seat ffor the Southeast (Great Wildlands/Scalding Pass/Insmother/Curse/Wicked Creek/Detroid/Cache) 1 Seat for the South (Providence/Catch/Immensea/Tenerifis/Impass/Omist/Feythabolis/Estoria/Paragon Soul/Stain)
5 nullsec seats, 1 Wh seat, 4 Empire seats........
Then CCP makes it so that your character can only vote for the quadrant it is currently living in when voting for the list of any Candidates for that particular region.
But then again why trade one convoluted mess for another?
Easily gamed. I cast my characters out to geographically disparate areas, then vote for five people of my own ticket.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 12:24:21 -
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Max Deveron wrote:Now if players want to move their characters around to better able vote for the people/organizations, that is fine....then we and CCP would inadvertently get a player/character census too.
The current CSM process already provides an excellent census.
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 13:54:40 -
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Max Deveron wrote: It's ok Cade, i wrote basically a troll post that i did not really plan nor expect a reply of any seriousness to. 1 guy answered that he could game it.
So I simply asked him how, and provided the context of meaning behind the post, the question is still valid though. How? and i would also like to know now to what end? Is that guy really that important to place whatever Candidate he wishes in every quadrant and have him/her win by default?
"i was just pretending to be ******ed"
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 14:11:29 -
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Max Deveron wrote:or as just a Director of Finance somebody higher than you told you to quit your lid
You think that anyone in my organization gives a shit what I say on eve-o?
You think that I'm even in leadership in my organization?
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 17:09:04 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:What does it say about the voting system when the top player representative calls most of the voters 'pubbies' and terrible ones at that?
Have you considered that the people he's calling "terrible pubbies" are not the majority? That they are, in fact, the minority? The vote totals and consistent domination of the CSM by our candidates points to a world where we are the majority, not you and yours.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 17:13:07 -
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Buoytender Bob wrote:I wouldn't care who ran and won if they had the best interests of EVE and the community as a whole as their main focus. Throw in genial participation with the other Council members and a good work ethic and I could accept just about anyone in the role, no matter how different their EVE life is from mine. What I find disheartening is that we re-elect someone with a 15% attendance for meetings, people with open hostility and disdain for other types of gameplay/areas, and a general attitude that as long as my group of people in my alliance get what they want, everything is fair and balanced. Yes, we do have some good people on the new CSM, but we could have elected a better representing CSM.
If you'd listened to any CSM member, past or present, including ones that are diametrically opposed to the existence of Goonswarm Federation, you'd know that the regular meetings are fairly unimportant. I'd find some new pearls to clutch.
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 17:37:34 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:When the community at large is composed of many smaller groups Have you considered that this isn't true?
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 18:56:27 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What is with this condescending behavior calling people illiterate? What's with people in this game using their intellect as a weapon, jabbing it like a knife in someone's back to berate them? Are we below you? Seriously some of you act incredibly childish for such an intelligent person I don't get it. If the point is to have an open conversation, then why are many doing their best to pretty much tell others to be quiet.
It's sad to see adults arguing back and forth like children.
Eve's primary redeeming feature is hatred as a gameplay mechanic.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 19:17:28 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Querns wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What is with this condescending behavior calling people illiterate? What's with people in this game using their intellect as a weapon, jabbing it like a knife in someone's back to berate them? Are we below you? Seriously some of you act incredibly childish for such an intelligent person I don't get it. If the point is to have an open conversation, then why are many doing their best to pretty much tell others to be quiet.
It's sad to see adults arguing back and forth like children. Eve's primary redeeming feature is hatred as a gameplay mechanic. Maybe it's just me, but that seems to speak volumes about the discussion here.
If you're only now coming around to the primary defining feature of our organization, then you must be quite new to the game.
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 19:25:27 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:So you hate everyone else in the game, or the way they play it, and want to ruin their game (obviously DJ's slogan), and yet are still hilariously debated with and even elected into CSM. I have to hand it to you guys you're devious nature has superceded others common sense or rational behavior. To argue with any of you is rather pointless then. You are what you are and that will never change, good to know.
Arguing was never necessary. We were objectively correct from the beginning.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 19:31:25 -
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Soel Reit wrote:why goons are busy writing stupid things on the forum instead of ratting in delve? :thinking:
Ratting is for plebians. The patrician krab activity ("krabtivity"?) is rorqual mining. This allows plenty of free time to fulfill the goon prime directive to Never Not Post.
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 19:44:13 -
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Soel Reit wrote:oh i see! until PL Dread bomb 200 rorquals at a time, AMIRITE?
We own way more territory than we can use, so, no, we're all too spread out for a dread bomb to nail 200 rorquals.
At our current rate of growth, however, check back in 2018.
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 19:58:54 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: Nobody can represent the idiots who can't even be bothered to vote.
Correct. This is not about people who do not vote. This is about people who vote and have a a playstyle that does not lend itself to the numbers game - see the long tail of first choices. Their groups and play styles do not have the organizational largess to effectively force the election of a candidate, yet the players themselves are, at least in my appraisal, part of the larger eve community, and if the CSM is to report the stated goal of representing the eve community, they should not be so systematically shut out of the process. They are.
STV makes this entire post meaningless.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 20:15:59 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Querns wrote:STV makes this entire post meaningless. Yeah, STV isn't breakable by sheer numerical force. That's why the CSM isn't always 70%+ big null blocs. Oh wait....
Again, as we've stated, over and over, your assumption that nullsec is the minority is wrong. Nullsec is the majority.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 22:53:31 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Querns wrote:Irrelevant. Most of my characters live in highsec. They all vote straight GSF ticket.
You can't draw a meaningful conclusion from where characters are located, because characters don't vote based on their location. They vote based on their owner's identity and preferences. Location may be weakly correlated with identity, but it damn well isn't causing it.
The CSM election results show that an overwhelming number of folks identify as 0.0 players. Thus, nullsec is the most important part of the game. You're proving my point. There should be a consequence of you hiding your alts risk-free in HS. That is less CSM representation. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Remember when people in null took risks? I 'member.
If such a change came to pass (let's set aside the fact that it'd be impossible,) I'd just move my alts to nullsec, then maybe set up a false-flag candidate for highsec.
Keep setting up these little glass vignettes, I'll keep smashing them.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 23:09:59 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Querns wrote:If such a change came to pass (let's set aside the fact that it'd be impossible,) I'd just move my alts to nullsec, then maybe set up a false-flag candidate for highsec.
Keep setting up these little glass vignettes, I'll keep smashing them. Because 0.0 alts can do the same job as NPC corp HS alts?
Of course not. I'd just repurpose them for nullsec.
The primary reason I have any highsec alts is A) shopping in Jita, and 2) production. The bulk of my guys are for 2. Shifting my production to nullsec-advantaged items is trivial, should I decide to do it.
A is becoming less and less necessary, thanks to new structures.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 23:14:02 -
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oiukhp Muvila wrote: Granted Eve Online has always had some of that element since launch, but emergent game-play that resulted in far more organization has resulted in what many consider to be cancer to the game.
This just in: organization is cancer. Oncologists worldwide celebrate as this medical breakthrough sweeps the globe!
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.21 23:29:14 -
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I understand that it may be troubling for some of you to become fully aware of just how alone you are, but it's better to come to terms with it in a safe environment, like this thread, rather than under adversity later.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.22 00:01:17 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Querns wrote:Of course not. I'd just repurpose them for nullsec.
The primary reason I have any highsec alts is A) shopping in Jita, and 2) production. The bulk of my guys are for 2. Shifting my production to nullsec-advantaged items is trivial, should I decide to do it.
A is becoming less and less necessary, thanks to new structures. What's stopping you from doing your shopping and production in null now? If you want to live in null, live in null. Take a few risks for once. Why are people in 0.0 always the ones who refuse to take any risk in game? That's our problem here.
Inertia.
BTW: "Risk" isn't a word you add to any aberrant abortion that drips out of your brain. Your use of the word belies a complete misunderstanding of even the basics of the topics you're trying to ape.
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.22 00:13:36 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Querns wrote:BTW: "Risk" isn't a word you add to any aberrant abortion that drips out of your brain. Your use of the word belies a complete misunderstanding of even the basics of the topics you're trying to ape. So tell me why a part of space that's 100% safe 100% of the time as long as someone is watching local chat should get a bigger representation in CSM? The biggest carebears in the game get the most representation? That seems off to me. I enjoy danger in the game, and like to reward people who feel the same way. That's a core part of EVE. There's little danger in sov null ATM. Less CSM representation from sov null would go a long way.
Ah, here we go -- we're finally starting to strip away the dross and find the real hatred buried within.
So in your previous posts, you claimed that I should move my alts to nullsec, so I would have to endure risk. However, in this post, you claim that there is no risk in 0.0. Which is it?
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.22 00:22:15 -
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Did people in SMA actually identify as goons? Dear god.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.22 00:26:06 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Querns wrote:Ah, here we go -- we're finally starting to strip away the dross and find the real hatred buried within.
So in your previous posts, you claimed that I should move my alts to nullsec, so I would have to endure risk. However, in this post, you claim that there is no risk in 0.0. Which is it? I'd have you move to LS or WHs personally, if you actually want a challenge. I can break it down for you though. HS NPC corps (or one man HS corps) are the least risky. These aren't mains for 90% of people, they are alts, we both know this, and know that's why I said what I did. sov null alliances are next. HS in a corp comes after that.
But lowsec has local chat, as well. By your own words, local allows you to be 100% safe in all circumstances. Thus, lowsec is identical to nullsec in terms of risk profile. In fact, it may be safer, since there are no bubbles.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.22 00:34:53 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Querns wrote:But lowsec has local chat, as well. By your own words, local allows you to be 100% safe in all circumstances. Thus, lowsec is identical to nullsec in terms of risk profile. In fact, it may be safer, since there are no bubbles. Have you ever lived in LS? It doesn't have massive intel networks that are in sov null. It's rare to find a group of 15+ systems with ONLY blues. I get why you wouldn't understand. Your killboard says you're one of the most risk averse people in the game.
You didn't say anything about blues. You said local chat makes you 100% safe in all circumstances.
If you don't have enough blues, that's your problem. If you don't have a "massive intel network," that's also your problem. Nullsec doesn't have a special property that uniquely allows for intel or blues, when compared to lowsec.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.22 00:46:30 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Querns wrote:Nullsec doesn't have a special property that uniquely allows for intel or blues, when compared to lowsec. > bubbles aka gay camps ~ check > systems outside jump ranges ~ check > 200 systems/jumps before arriving in the nullsec carebears area ~ check > watch intel and local and you'll never get killed ~ check null sec empires are the safer places of eve. that's a fact. so safe that people rat in titans/supers! then obviously get dropped cuz they suck and don't watch intel/local ehehheheheheheheheheh None of these neanderthrashings have anything to do with intel or blues.
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.22 00:48:18 -
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i normally use "neanderthrashings" in jest but i think it might actually be accurate here
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.22 16:53:54 -
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Djsaeu wrote:If you want player feedback that is not affected by the big alliances, then why not make it where a CSM can not be in or affiliated with any big alliance.
There are Pro's and Con's with this.
Pro : You get more feedback from the little guys.
Con : There would be a lot of bribes flying around.
I am not a wizard at this, shoot..... I know nothing about it, but it is just my opinion on that matter.
We'd just run false-flag characters, or spread out among multiple alliances below the cap.
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.25 10:56:35 -
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If you think highsec ganking is easier now, let me tell you about getting 5+ barge kills in a single smartbombing run. Consistently. Barge/exhumer EHP has been radically increased since the good ol' days.
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