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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hawkcrest on 11/05/2007 12:09:00 After extensive reasearch into the markets and seeing how fickle many of you Investors are, I have taken a thoughtful approach to find an appropriate way to approach investing in the Eve markets. At first I was going to do the big IPO and seek high financing of multiple projects all at one time. After consideration and discussion with many known Investors within the Eve Markets I decided to scale back current plans and go for a more managable amount to work on individual projects, thereby allowing the market to get to know my team, and allow us to get to know you. 81st Division could honestly accomplish this venture on our own, but rather then strap ourselves for Isk, we decided to go this route in order to establish credability within the marketing community, and make you all some Isk. So without further beating around the bush here is our current Issue, if you would like to see a fully laid out business plan with future's information to include later projects and potential bond Issueances please goto http://www.81stdivision.com and sign up at our website. Currently the Business Plan is on a public forum but will move to a private forum by the end of the day and will require registration to view. Chapter 8 - IPO Phases, Dividends, Market Cap
Ace Youngblood will create a holding Corp called 81st Division Holdings to maintain all transactions pertaining to this Bond Issuance.
Total Number of Shares 3500
Shares Allocated for Bond Issueance 3500
Price Per Share 1,000,000
Anticipated Market Capitalization 3,500,000,000
Intrest on Bond(%) 10% for a Total Interest of 350,000,000
Principle Payment of Loan + Final Month Interest Maturity date March 31st 2008
Total Principal + Interest Paymnt 385,000,000 transfered to Holdings Corp each Month over 10 Months to make the Principal Payment + Intrest as of maturity date
Dividend Schedule 1 - Monthly 1st of the Month
Total Dividend Payment 350,000,000 On the 1st of each month following all shares being purchased.
Projected Return per Dividend Payment(%) 10%
Projected Return per Share 100,000 Monthly (10%) 1,000,000 Over 10 Months (100%)
Penalty for not meeting Payments 5% Penalty added for late payments
81st Division Reserves the right to pay off the entire Principal + last month's Interest after the initial months interest is paid. this garuntees an investor 20% on thier investment secured by 81st Divisions Assets and capital. Once paid we request that all Bond certificates be returned to the Holding company for future use within Eve Capital markets.
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Auri Hella
The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:29:00 -
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Very well. Who are you and why should I trust you with my money?
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hawkcrest on 11/05/2007 11:30:26 Please refer to http://www.81stdivision.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?128 for this information as it is quite detailed and can explain more then 95% of all questions.
Thank you
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Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkcrest Total Principal + Interest Paymnt 385,000,000 transfered to Holdings Corp each Month over 10 Months to make the Principal Payment + Intrest as of maturity date
Please explain where this number comes from, I still don't get it.
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:36:00 -
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That is for my book keeping....it is the Principal Payment Monthly + 10% of the last months interest that will be paid into the 81st Division Holdings to be paid out at the Maturity of the Bond.
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Dougalar
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dougalar on 11/05/2007 12:36:55 Numbers work out. If they pay 385 mil in to a holding account for 10 months the total at the end will be 3.85 bill.
then final month they pay back investers 3.5 bil for the cost of the shares and 350 mill in finale intrest.
Hope this helps
I would be intrested to buy a few shares. can you give info on when and to who I should pay please.
Edited due to crappy wording
So Long And Thanks For All The ISK |
Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:40:00 -
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Surely it would be better not to have dead capital sitting in an account?
Its all up to you though.
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:44:00 -
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All Bond Purchases should be sent to Ace Youngblood. please send an email to Ace stating the Amount of Certificates you are purchasing and Total isk that will be transfered, Once isk has been transfered Certificates will be issued. Understand that Dividends will begin on the 1st of the Month once all Bonds have been sold.
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:46:00 -
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If you know where I can put the isk so that it draws interest but can still be liquid to pay back Investors I'm all ears Ionia?
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Dougalar
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:47:00 -
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I suppose its there way of mackeing certain they have 3.85 bil avaliuble at the end of 10 months.
As you say its up to them but i agree haveing the funds working would be better and may even lead to a bonus being abule to be paied at the end of the 10 months
So Long And Thanks For All The ISK |
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Dougalar
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:54:00 -
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well off the top of my head you could have a word with the guy who runs FIN.
You could perhaps come to some agreement were buy for 4 months you invest 385mil in his shares on the understanding that at the end of 9 months you would want them all brought back. That way you would be geting a garenteed return if a small one on that isk.
It would perhaps be a better idea to buy stuff with that 385 mill that is needed in 0.0 stations you can get to and use the carrier pilot to jump it in there and sell at a profit.
I know i can make about 1.5 mil per DCU T2 i buy in Jitta and sell in 0.0 stations.
So Long And Thanks For All The ISK |
Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkcrest If you know where I can put the isk so that it draws interest but can still be liquid to pay back Investors I'm all ears Ionia?
I mean use it to make more isk. Idle isk makes me cry.
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hawkcrest on 11/05/2007 13:05:29 You truely make me laugh Ionia :-)
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Captial Investments
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Posted - 2007.05.11 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dougalar well off the top of my head you could have a word with the guy who runs FIN.
You could perhaps come to some agreement were buy for 4 months you invest 385mil in his shares on the understanding that at the end of 9 months you would want them all brought back. That way you would be geting a garenteed return if a small one on that isk.
It would perhaps be a better idea to buy stuff with that 385 mill that is needed in 0.0 stations you can get to and use the carrier pilot to jump it in there and sell at a profit.
I know i can make about 1.5 mil per DCU T2 i buy in Jitta and sell in 0.0 stations.
If you want to do shares, might wanna choose one that pays better divs and who's share prices is increasing faster than FIN is
I don't see a problem with him holding it because there is no risk of him losing it when it's in the wallet.
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Dougalar
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.11 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marodi Julita
Originally by: Dougalar well off the top of my head you could have a word with the guy who runs FIN.
You could perhaps come to some agreement were buy for 4 months you invest 385mil in his shares on the understanding that at the end of 9 months you would want them all brought back. That way you would be geting a garenteed return if a small one on that isk.
It would perhaps be a better idea to buy stuff with that 385 mill that is needed in 0.0 stations you can get to and use the carrier pilot to jump it in there and sell at a profit.
I know i can make about 1.5 mil per DCU T2 i buy in Jitta and sell in 0.0 stations.
If you want to do shares, might wanna choose one that pays better divs and who's share prices is increasing faster than FIN is
I don't see a problem with him holding it because there is no risk of him losing it when it's in the wallet.
True on both accounts. The idea of FIN was a) it was the first one i thought of b) it is a grenteed return c) it is one that offers an easy by back polacy at a garrenteed price.
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Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.05.11 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkcrest Edited by: Hawkcrest on 11/05/2007 13:05:29 You truely make me laugh Ionia :-)
Seems to be that way, but I'm not joking most of the time.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.05.11 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkcrest Once paid we request that all Bond certificates be returned to the Holding company for future use within Eve Capital markets.
That's not really feasible. The business plan looks okay but I'm going to have the same problem with you that everyone else will. Who are you and what is there to justify the risk of investing with you beyond the promise of a healthy 10% dividend?
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.11 14:14:00 -
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Instead of the isk sitting idle for 10 months, why not just issue a dividend every month? Sales: Capital Ships | Covetors Delivered - Bulk/Package/BYOM |
Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 14:34:00 -
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I was going to do that on a Bi-Monthly basis i.e. the 1st of the Month issue the dividend of 350,000,000 and then on the 16th of the month issue the 385,000,000 Principal + last month Interest but I was advised thats not how Bonds work by Ionia, as he explained to me that the Bond should pay out on the maturity date. This is why I went with the Bond based concept, I have no problems doing it either way the Investors like, as long as they all agree at the time of the first Dividend that this is the way they want it to be paid.
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 14:43:00 -
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Nyphur, If you had bothered reading the begining of the post and gone to the linked website you would have all of that information already, since thats the exact same question the first guy asked. I have seen your hazing posts on other peoples IPO's and you came back with some legitamate questions then when they presented you with the information you asked you didnt bother investing anyway, if you cant be bothered to investigate the information presented dont bother posting in the thread please because honestly I dont waste my time for people who arent legitamtley interested.
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Dougalar
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.11 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dougalar on 11/05/2007 14:54:48 Can i just ask one question
What happens if you do not sell all the bonds to raise the 3.5BIL?
Will you refund the bonds sold or go ahead with the reduced amount buying the rest/funding the rest yourselves?
Sorry just thought of somthing else. Will you be puting up a sales thread in the sell fourum?
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 15:00:00 -
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I have placed the sell order in the sales forums already yes, as for the Bonds to be sold, they will be held in the Holdings corp unused until all the bonds sell. If they do not sell in a timely fasion, which I expect they more then likely will be, then they will be refunded.
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Treelox
Amarr Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.11 15:02:00 -
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Still think Hawkcrest that you would be better off paying off the principle each period instead of having that isk lie idle in a holding account.
Since idle isk make Ionia and myself cry --
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 15:07:00 -
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Tree, I already said if thats the way the Investors want it done Ill be happy to accomodate them. Ionia was the one that complained about the Idea <gives a blaming glance to Ionia> he called it "Complicated" :-)
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.05.11 15:50:00 -
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Attitude aside, I think I asked a legitimate question that your document only covers with anecdotal evidence and while there's not much more you can give in eve to prove yourself, there are anti-scam mechanics you could put into play. As an unknown in the market, you might make good use of a trustee system involving other already-trusted people. For example, would your references such as Aralis publicly back this project and agree to buy your shares for the issue price if you turn scam and run off with the isk? The reason I ask is that if your references could guarantee the investment scheme, I actually would invest.
As it stands, I wouldn't invest in this IPO because despite the good returns, the risk is too high. I ask these same questions of other people's IPOs because there have been a lot of scams revolving around investments and it harms the investment market as a whole by putting people off investing and eating up investment capital. Being part of that market, this harms any future investment opportunities I and everyone else make.
Back when I was in ISS, a random ISS corp that everyone in ISS trusted launched their own IPO. It was made clear that they weren't doing this on behalf of ISS and that ISS wasn't guaranteeing it but the name lended them credability and they had several people who would have given them good references. They then turned scam and ran off with all the isk. Simply citing references doesn't guarantee the IPO or lower the risk. Previous dealings in public isk or a guarantor for the investment scheme do.
Skepticism is the rule here and it's a good one. It's your job to convince your potential investors (which I am, by the way, despite being a very picky investor) that the risk is low, the reward is worth the risk, you are trustworthy and that you have the right attitude, ambition and ability to pull of the plan you've made. Personally, I am not convinced right now.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.05.11 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkcrest Nyphur, If you had bothered reading the begining of the post and gone to the linked website you would have all of that information already, since thats the exact same question the first guy asked. I have seen your hazing posts on other peoples IPO's and you came back with some legitamate questions then when they presented you with the information you asked you didnt bother investing anyway, if you cant be bothered to investigate the information presented dont bother posting in the thread please because honestly I dont waste my time for people who arent legitamtley interested.
That's not a very good attitude to portray to potential investors. Your hostility has certainly disinclined me to invest.
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 17:29:00 -
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I wasnt giving you an attitude I was simply stating that I was witness to your statments to another would be IPO in which you asked for specifics. You made good points, but once given those points you simply walked away after praising thier plan. When I see somthing like that it tells me that you are not a serious investor. They worked very hard to present the information you requested and you simply blew them off. I on the otherhand presented you with all the information up front and you still question my credability without investingating for yourself what my background is. There is nothing more for me to show you other then to join our teamspeak server and meet the team. Treelox, and Marodi have both met me, possibly they can tell you what kind of person I am from thier first impression.
Would Aralis step forward on my behalf and publically back me? Quite honestly I didnt bother to ask him because I wasnt seeking to ask my freind to privatley back this venture, I was seeking to build a relationship with the market to build credability. I'm not asking for 50 billion isk here, Im asking for 3.5 billion, which quite honestly I already have in my corporate wallet, so it is easily backed not only by me but by the credability of my entire team of 35 men that we will pay back this loan.
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 17:47:00 -
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We have received our first buyer for 50 shares..
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Chief Dowding
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Posted - 2007.05.11 18:20:00 -
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can't find the sale thred in the first 3 pages of the sell forum.
any chance you could link it here
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2007.05.11 18:51:00 -
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Sell Order Is the Location of the sell order though its as simple as Sending the isk to Ace Youngblood and an email with the amount of shares you are ordering.
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