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StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
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Posted - 2017.06.05 06:49:27 -
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IGÇÖm here to tell you the story of the week I spent with pandemic legion amongst them, and how that entire experience went overall. IGÇÖm sure you see their grandiose propaganda of saying how great they are but the dark gritty truth of the matter is that they are lying to you. Behind the facade there is a rotting decay festering within their ranks, signalling the beginning of the end for the legion and hereGÇÖs why.
While many of those inside of the Pandemic legion will argue that their economy is doing great, the monthly economic reports posted by the CCP donGÇÖt lie as the regions within their sphere of influence are hemorrhaging Isk like there isnGÇÖt a tomorrow, namely the Pure Blind and The Fade, that are highly indicative of a lack of production ongoing. The markets and their respective prices tell a different story on the lack of any sort of free market competition ongoing as the Legion has resort to the evils of socialism, weakening the resolve of its new members by giving them a handout. The cost of even a basic frigate was highly overpriced by approximately 33% to 66% higher than its counterpart located in the nearby hub of Jita where the Pandemic Legion holds a trade post in Perimeter, but you question what does this mean about this alliance in economic terms.
The PanFam has been on a massive marketing spree in order to try to recruit Alpha clones to fight their fights and swarm any enemy invaders, IE treated as cannon fodder with little regard for legitimate tactics, with ships that have been handed out to them. What the directors of the PanFam and the arrogant Gobbins fail to realize that this sudden influx of members puts an strain on resources and the demand for them, creating a demand-pull inflation on their economy. This combined with their recent mass expansion into other regions has culminated in the extreme overexertion of their current resources, as with the shortage of the necessary hardware namely Munitions and replacement vessels. WhatGÇÖs worse is by providing some of these vessels for free, they hamper the ambitious creative spirit that seeks to build character and resolve through the struggle of working for what someone has earned through sweat and tears, the reward of hard prosperous labor, decimating any sort of drive to accomplish anything while under their stead.
Another issue that plagues the Pandemic legion is the price of minerals thanks to the efforts of their native miners and salvagers who refused to sell anything below the equivalent of a Jita sell price, and resort to compressing their ores then shipping them to Jita because of their lack of awareness of the strain they put on their hosting economy, turning a mutual symbiosis into a one way parasitistic relationship. Greed has driven the miners and haulers associated with the PanFam to silently turn on their host, robbing it blind whilst they reap the products of the Pure Blind, effectively creating hive of a parasitic unionists whom refuse to do business with any sort of industrialist within the PanFam unless they are willing to be subjected to extortion like how miners are to CODE enforcers within hi-sec. The Haulers in service are just as equally corrupt, harvesting the rewards of the misery and suffering of the PanFam economy, creating a deficit in trade by exporting everything that they possibly could to Jita while barely returning to them with a piece of hardware for Horde efforts, failing to engage in trade on the behalf of their benefactors, adding to the list of parasite horde suffers from in this day.
Who is to blame for this you ask? Its leadership and poor planning, as history goes to show that the Pandemic legion took advantage of a conflict to stake their claim in new nullsec territory after clashing with the Goonswarm federation in the Fountain region, an alliance whoGÇÖs taken the time to make the best of a tactical retreat into the Delve to produce record mining yields as of April 2016. With the advent of Citadels, Pandemic legion in its haste did something horrible and turned to Real Money Trading and the use of Casinos where Isk was used to earn real world cash but fortunately the CCP put an end to that dirty sordid business, and the Legion believe it or not was more than guilty of its fair share of gambling as a primary source of income. When CCP issued their crackdown, more than 30tril ISK was removed from circulation in the game in terms of assets and what not, while very little of those assets belonged to Imperium, the PanFam was likely hit the hardest within the past year.
The extent of their economic downturn has resorted to them even outsourcing work to the Droneland Federation, a mostly russian player base with enough production facilities to drive empire economies into the ground, who've been exchanging ISK for capital ships and the like in the recent era. The Low man on totem pole in this alliance is often subject to being the victim as its GÇ£Good Old BoysGÇ¥ its directors and Newbean Initiative are primarily focused on themselves as theyGÇÖve slowly become toxic towards them, unwilling to encourage to pursue their ambitious spirit, instead resorting to cyber bullying of an autist friend of mine whoGÇÖs simple desire is to manufacture ships all live long day long by saying his dreams are garbage. Now I question you capsuleers, is that an Alliance that you want to be a part of? One where you are treated like a commodity just to be sent in as cannon fodder with little regard from the people that supposed to ensure that you are prospering and thriving under their stead?
To my fellow capsuleers, let it be known amongst us that we shouldnGÇÖt tolerate this abuse and should boycott any PanFam Coalition recruitment, and withdraw any of our clones from their ranks. Their negligence shouldn't go unheeded which is why I feel that those viewing this advisory should share alike amongst their fellow pilots to prevent them from being seduced by the lie that is the Legion. |
Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
94
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Posted - 2017.06.05 07:10:08 -
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So you managed to work CODE into a wall of tears about nullbears. Extortion and all. That's sure to add a degree of legitimacy to your argument.
Every alt I own has a red safety, this has brought my friends much laughter.
Get Subbed or Get Rekt.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
558
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Posted - 2017.06.05 08:56:00 -
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Yay! Eve propaganda!
You know, code means very little to players outside hs and the "Imperium" never meant anything to anyone because it basically didn't exist.
I wonder who is this addressed to? Anti gambling assocciation?
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
311
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Posted - 2017.06.05 11:36:09 -
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StarterrorPrime wrote:boycott any PanFam Coalition recruitment, and withdraw any of our clones from their ranks. But they are so useful!
Gimme Sake wrote:the "Imperium" never meant anything to anyone I know a few thousand players who'd disagree with you here.
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
560
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Posted - 2017.06.05 11:39:41 -
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:the "Imperium" never meant anything to anyone I know a few thousand players who'd disagree with you here.
You mean KFC.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
311
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Posted - 2017.06.05 12:27:08 -
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They have good chicken.
But I know what I mean. For reference: https://imperium.news/
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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jack1974
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
275
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Posted - 2017.06.05 13:03:58 -
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I guess we can throw this article into the mix too. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
564
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Posted - 2017.06.05 13:14:06 -
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No free clicks from me. However if you send me 500 mil isk in game, I promise I'll click your link.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2301
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Posted - 2017.06.05 14:45:49 -
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So, OP.......show us on the action figure where the bad CODE/Miniluv enforcer touched you.
We promise to be nice.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2622
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Posted - 2017.06.05 14:45:54 -
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Though CAOD is dead - it is -----> that way. This drivel needs to move to CAOD or reddit where it belongs.
ISD.... a plague is upon us. |
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
312
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:00:31 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:No free clicks from me. However if you send me 500 mil isk in game, I promise I'll click your link. Hey, it seems the Imperium -does- mean something even to you. Regardless if it's something you wouldn't even poke with a stick.
OP success.
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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ReySilent Sazas
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:10:10 -
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bruh .. u serious? lol |
Krato Audanie
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:11:03 -
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StarterrorPrime wrote:IGÇÖm here to tell you the story of the week I spent with pandemic legionamongst them, and how that entire experience went overall.
I KNEW IT! I knew I was elite! |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
530
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:11:50 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2622
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:14:35 -
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Oh snap! IT'S FESTERING!
ISD
Get it off, get it off. |
Mr Bignose
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
8
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:16:09 -
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We at Pandemic Legion are actually very wealthy in The Fade I'll have you know. |
tgl3
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
550
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:17:21 -
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Oh hey it's the guy who complained when he made t1 frigates that people wouldn't buy because we gave them out for free.
EDIT wait I actually read this pile of wat. Wat.
Quote: "WhatGÇÖs worse is by providing some of these vessels for free, they hamper the ambitious creative spirit that seeks to build character and resolve through the struggle of working for what someone has earned through sweat and tears, the reward of hard prosperous labor, decimating any sort of drive to accomplish anything while under their stead."
Wat.
Ex EVE Blogger - old posts still available at Through Newb Eyes
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Anthony Cathar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:17:54 -
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So did you actually accept the 200mil people were offering you to never post this kind of stuff on our forums again? |
Krato Audanie
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:19:48 -
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Anthony Cathar wrote:So did you actually accept the 200mil people were offering you to never **** up our forums with this again?
No
Source: offered to pay him 100mil |
Vladimir's Revenge
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
6
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:23:45 -
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In spreading your posting AIDS to the official EVE Forums, I see you have yet to learn how to properly capitalize and punctuate your writing.
Even if it was any good, no one is going to read your poorly formatted posts. And since its actually ****, well, people aren't even going to bother. Good riddance. |
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Anthur Nakarkos
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:25:26 -
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Yeah, how dare miners not give you their ore at the vastly below-jita rate you want to pay.
And how dare nobody buy your vigils because they're literally handed out for free as part of the new player support program.
Shame on Pandemic Legion, I'm glad Pandemic Horde doesn't do anything like this. |
Delta122
Pew Squad
13
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:30:26 -
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PL is one of the longest lived Alliance's in the game, and is the only alliance that has been War Deced by the CCP Alliance... They have been a nomadic alliance since the good old days. Even if this were true and they were struggling, which i highly doubt... The PanFam has the experience to deal with it.
Keep in mind this is coming from an Ex Morsus Mihi and Ex Darkness pilot here. Respect is given where it is due. |
Ithilgore
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:30:28 -
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The only crime here is your post. Its pretty funny how you think you have it all figured out, but still can't figure out how to turn a profit in a free market. |
tgl3
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
550
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:31:15 -
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The best part is how literally not a single thing in his post is correct. EDIT: Actually I lied NBI do give out free ships. |
onionn1
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:33:21 -
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holy **** it continues |
Averyl
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:34:41 -
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OMG PB and Fade are hemorrhaging ISK because Horde NBI gives out 300k ISK ships to newbeans... it's the end of the world as we know it! |
Travis Uchonela
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
77
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:35:21 -
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Tbh same fam |
Vladimir's Revenge
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
6
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:37:37 -
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Averyl wrote:OMG PB and Fade are hemorrhaging ISK because Horde NBI gives out 300k ISK ships to newbeans... it's the end of the world as we know it!
Careful OP will bamboozle you with is elite math skillz |
White Blood Cell1
My Huge Premo Peniss
25
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:55:20 -
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Null sec F1 monkeys invade C&P for the day?!!
Behave in an orderly manner whilst in Hi you F1 monkies, My Huge Premo Peniss is watching yo'all.
And yes Jita can be an overwhelming shopping experience for you exploited Null Socialists. No more trading your wife for basic staples. |
Jankos Sabannfuhrer
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
6
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:57:31 -
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WALL |
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Alex Calden
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
29
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:58:37 -
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Want to sell reality check for the low price of 1 venture |
Saeger1737
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2110
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Posted - 2017.06.05 15:59:47 -
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You spent a week...and didn't even try to have atleast a little fun, advice for future wall of text ranter's.... Half of C&P doesn't read your rant... Make a video please so we can watch you cry in real time. Much more rewarding.
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Akira Kashada
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 16:02:07 -
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Will you still accept 100m to stop posting? |
Cake Apple
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 16:07:48 -
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Why not post this on reddit too? |
Ersio Heleneto
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
4
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Posted - 2017.06.05 16:24:42 -
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Posting in a quality thread. |
Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
5
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Posted - 2017.06.05 16:26:26 -
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The blob is real, even on the forums. |
jack1974
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
275
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Posted - 2017.06.05 16:46:33 -
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Suren Scott wrote:The blob is real, even on the forums.
They are called The Horde, after all....
Welcome to the 2nd largest alliance in the game. |
HowDoI Shot
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
6
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Posted - 2017.06.05 16:46:39 -
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Suren Scott wrote:The blob is real, even on the forums.
Probably because it was linked in his most recent thread on PH forums.
This is his post:
StarTerrorPrime wrote:Greetings Hordelings
While during my week long stint in Hordespace as one of your members, being a member was okay but operating as one is an entirely different story as came into the alliance with about 60 to 80 mil isk and left with about only 10 mil isk that says a lot about the economy I went into without any forewarning, to be fair i joined on impulse but I was incompatible with how certain facets operated. So I did the logical thing and re-establish my corporation of Black Rose Fleet Systems where i could gather up my own crew and determined how I operated in area with a better economy and the ability to operate in my style of cutthroatery, thus beginning Operation Rumrunner*, where I tested security with a Probe fitting that allowed me to blast through the most secure checkpoint we have at C4C's Keepstar then into GME, tried peeking in the Quarry but commend BaseEight Chelien and floD Blizzard for keeping tabs on the gate. Now, being the crazy bastard I am, picked up hauler, went to Jita and brought back a present to the Pure Blind region at fairly reasonable markup of 10% at a Horde Station, with an expected reasonable profit yield for the supplies I brought in, and hope to introduce more needed supplies into horde space, particularly right to the Operations Center. Unfortunately, Im limited to what I export to hordespace due capital at the moment since Im currently bringing much needed supplies that i would prefer to leave unmentioned for fear of ganking operations of those operating in X region.
Now my chosen place of operations has me in prime position to begin my business of importing and exporting wares into Hordespace, Officially Im in Jita but closer to where supplies are needed, as I've found my ''Kessel Run" so to speak, and I simply wish to continue doing business with the Alliance considering all potential alliances that I use to know have turned into pale shadows of themselves. I also like the real estate in the neighborhood because I've seen hide nor hair of any potential enemies so to speak except for the occasional dickbag blasting me in lowsec but since my chosen race as minmatar, i find ships cheap and insure them for twice the value that covers both the cost of the ship and the modules so I'm currently gaining momentum. As far as recruiting my potential employees, I'm thorough as to avoid any potential security compromises within my own organization. Once I get my assembly lines operational, I'll start exporting ships into Hordespace and making them more available to come as I've acquired a set of blueprints for some cruisers and destroyers, just the minor snafu of acquiring the nessecary of materials but thats a problem for future me to think about. Anyway, I would like to request blue status so I can bring hardware and commit to my original vision of assisting in Horde economic development, as I better operate without every odd alliance primed to gun me down everytime there was a war declaration, and the less i have to worry about my own personal security.
From Russia with love
Starterrorprime javascript:if (typeof posting=='undefined'||posting!=true) {posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');} |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1676
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Posted - 2017.06.05 17:04:16 -
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I got here from Twitter.
@lunettelulu7
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Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
5
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Posted - 2017.06.05 17:08:58 -
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Yes, this is my forum alt. I don't think I'll ever get over how many of us show up at the smallest hint of content. |
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Averyl
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1
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Posted - 2017.06.05 17:52:26 -
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Quote:" where I tested security with a Probe fitting that allowed me to blast through the most secure checkpoint we have at C4C's Keepstar then into GME
Blasted through? More like we were too busy watching porn or shooting at real PvP pilots instead of worrying about your shitfit probe...
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Dolan Duckman
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 18:42:12 -
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Hi mom! |
Pterry Dactyl Kasterborous
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
5
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Posted - 2017.06.05 18:53:31 -
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top tier wall of cringe
you were in PANDEMIC HORDE. HORDE != LEGION
since you don't seem to get it i'm gonna copy the nicest response someone gave you on the pl.pl forums.
" you were losing isk because you kept ignoring good advice from several experienced sources..
you seem pasionate about industry/trading, but without listening to experienced people and adjusting to certain circumstances and reality in general, you will never succeed in this field...
also all I have seen from you until now is complaining, ignoring good advice from people that take their time to try to help you out, and making suggestions on the forum that are either total utopian or just plainly uneconomical in the eyes of anyone playing this game for longer than a week... /quote
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Eva Vesto
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2017.06.05 19:08:35 -
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so tl;dr me buying meta scrams for my sabres is killing eve? |
Gareth Jax
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 19:27:12 -
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@StarTerrorist or whatever your name is.
I started playing EVE as an Alpha middle of January and found it to be interesting enough to make another account as an Omega. Joined PH in the third week in February. One kind player threw 250M isk at me and I had worked that up to 3 billion within a month. I believe you had a post on the PL forum as well, whining about trying to do industry and you were supplying what NO ONE WANTED OR NEEDED! You went on to rant and rave about how evil the PANFAM is and how you blew your few hundred million with no return.
If you really want to do industry, I know there are people who make hundreds of billions of isk doing that. You need to figure out what is in demand and work on producing and selling those items, ships, or space poop.
Go out, get an enema and chew down a few suppositories and I'm sure you will feel better. Even better, please come back into Horde space and seek your revenge by hunting us. I'm sure the young beans will be thrilled after they lay waste to you.
Enjoy your EVE experience and fly dangerous! The life you save may be your own! Butt |
StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 19:57:28 -
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Gareth Jax wrote:@StarTerrorist or whatever your name is. I started playing EVE as an Alpha middle of January and found it to be interesting enough to make another account as an Omega. Joined PH in the third week in February. One kind player threw 250M isk at me and I had worked that up to 3 billion within a month. I believe you had a post on the PL forum as well, whining about trying to do industry and you were supplying what NO ONE WANTED OR NEEDED! You went on to rant and rave about how evil the PANFAM is and how you blew your few hundred million with no return. If you really want to do industry, I know there are people who make hundreds of billions of isk doing that. You need to figure out what is in demand and work on producing and selling those items, ships, or space poop. Go out, get an enema and chew down a few suppositories and I'm sure you will feel better. Even better, please come back into Horde space and seek your revenge by hunting us. I'm sure the young beans will be thrilled after they lay waste to you. Enjoy your EVE experience and fly dangerous! The life you save may be your own! Butt
Gareth,
Rarely anyone was willing to assist me except for a limited few eager to earn some cash quickly, and your markets had very little supplies that I as a Minmatar pilot needed in order to operate, much less the needed munitions to enable I and several others who discussed the innefficiencies occuring within your alliance. The pandemic legion members that have posted in this thread without any sort of tact are a perfect example of the toxic internal politics that is occuring within your organization, and is a perfect example of the neglatory treatment those of with any sort of individuality, creativity, and or ambition are treated with. You misinterpret my words as I interpreting the PanFam as evil, an incorrect presumption on your part as I am pointing at the innefficiencies within your alliance that I extremely disagree with due to the haphazard nature in how the Horde is structured, especially with the literal pyramid scheme of it is managed. I suggest looking at the writing on the wall and see how all your newcomers feel after a week because I wasn't the only one to struggle in your organization, and one should look inward before accusing someone whom witnessed firsthand.
I feel it is immature to simply go after someone or an organization because I disagree with how aspects of it are operating or the incompetence of its leadership failing to be supportive of its new members who show the promise of ambition or that fiery spark of creativity. I even offered my assistance outside of your organization, but sadly your organization fails to realize that how they operate currently is plagued with inefficiencies and redundancies, as you've become dependant on Jita for income and hardware. Any nullsec corporation worth its salt can mass produced the nessecary hardware without having to suckle at the teat of an empire's trade hub, because your alliance cannot last if it had to be severed from hi-sec.
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Averyl
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2
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Posted - 2017.06.05 20:19:36 -
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Quote:Gareth,
Rarely anyone was willing to assist me except for a limited few eager to earn some cash quickly, and your markets had very little supplies that I as a Minmatar pilot needed in order to operate, much less the needed munitions to enable I and several others who discussed the innefficiencies occuring within your alliance.
People tried on numerous occasions to help you, however you never listened and had your own version of reality you were living in. You were also told that if you saw something that was missing on market you were fully able to seed it yourself. However, you wanted to try and sell items that NBI gave out for free to new players which is a lose-lose situation on your part. What you perceive as inefficiencies in your mind is actually the second largest alliance in EVE helping new players overcome the very steep cost and learning curve. You refused to listen and instead decided to **** up our chat channels, forums, and even local bitching and whining about how unfair and incorrect everything was done. Clearly you have zero experience living and operating in null otherwise you would have paid more attention to the people that were trying to help you. Not, as you say trying to scam you for a quick buck. Yes, munitions come and go, if you didn't have what you needed buy the crap in Jita and ship it to wherever you wanted. No one was stopping you. If however you think that seeding stuff that no one but you used, was an indication of how "bad" the market conditions were then once again your inability to shut your pie hole for five seconds and listen to the people that have been in this game for years. We all were willing to help you, unfortunately you were not willing to listen nor did you seem to care to. Maybe one day you will finally figure out what you did wrong, but I'm not holding my breath on that... wouldn't want to turn blue. |
Gareth Jax
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 20:37:56 -
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You misinterpret my words as I interpreting the PanFam as evil, an incorrect presumption on your part as I am pointing at the innefficiencies within your alliance that I extremely disagree with due to the haphazard nature in how the Horde is structured, especially with the literal pyramid scheme of it is managed. I suggest looking at the writing on the wall and see how all your newcomers feel after a week because I wasn't the only one to struggle in your organization, and one should look inward before accusing someone whom witnessed firsthand.
I understood what you wrote and meant. I did not misinterpret anything. You have now written at least two walls of text and possibly more on this topic. EVE is a sandbox, go and do what you want in it. Just stay away from the Tootsie Rolls, because they aren't! You really should move on and stop whining like a three year old having a tantrum!
Also, 'neglatory' is not a word. |
StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 20:53:52 -
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Averyl wrote:Quote:Gareth,
Rarely anyone was willing to assist me except for a limited few eager to earn some cash quickly, and your markets had very little supplies that I as a Minmatar pilot needed in order to operate, much less the needed munitions to enable I and several others who discussed the innefficiencies occuring within your alliance. People tried on numerous occasions to help you, however you never listened and had your own version of reality you were living in. You were also told that if you saw something that was missing on market you were fully able to seed it yourself. However, you wanted to try and sell items that NBI gave out for free to new players which is a lose-lose situation on your part. What you perceive as inefficiencies in your mind is actually the second largest alliance in EVE helping new players overcome the very steep cost and learning curve. You refused to listen and instead decided to **** up our chat channels, forums, and even local bitching and whining about how unfair and incorrect everything was done. Clearly you have zero experience living and operating in null otherwise you would have paid more attention to the people that were trying to help you. Not, as you say trying to scam you for a quick buck. Yes, munitions come and go, if you didn't have what you needed buy the crap in Jita and ship it to wherever you wanted. No one was stopping you. If however you think that seeding stuff that no one but you used, was an indication of how "bad" the market conditions were then once again your inability to shut your pie hole for five seconds and listen to the people that have been in this game for years. We all were willing to help you, unfortunately you were not willing to listen nor did you seem to care to. Maybe one day you will finally figure out what you did wrong, but I'm not holding my breath on that... wouldn't want to turn blue.
Shenanigans, I indeed listened but I receive little encouragement, much less to even try my ideas of leading a Fleet operation, and every other idea I had was met with extreme resistance, even from Gobbins himself which I feel says alot about how your leadership feels about innovation. Not to mention the treatment of fellow alphas and industrialists is horrid, as you expect us to operate in suboptimal conditions where defensive fleet response time lags behind unless Horde Capital assets such as rorqual come under attack, revealing where Horde's leadership places its priorities over the people who slave away with barely enough Isk to rub together, unable to even afford leaving your alliance as they've invested all their isk in assets within your territory. Your Fleet Doctrine even hinders me as straight from mouth of one of your directors "We prefer Gallente and Amarr players over Minmatar" when you fail to realize that Minmatar and Caldari can be some of the strongest pilots to contend with due the diversity of the damage we can provide in a given sitaution.
By the nature of your response, you even demonstrate how much you and horde would prefer a mindless drone over someone with that indomitable spark that cannot be quenched by the torrents of a river, and how much you are willing to beat them down for it. You fail to understand the importance of the mind, where Great thinkers and visionaries play a major part in any alliance, without them, labor alone cannot bring productivity and prosperity as it requires the guidance of mind in order to achieve the goal of prosperity. Horde's dependancy on others, even your leadership in regards purchasing capital ships from the neighboring dronelands shows the lack of capacity for the ability accomodate your producers, and the reliance on importing hardware emphasizes this even further.
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Anthur Nakarkos
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1
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Posted - 2017.06.05 21:14:30 -
[50] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:
Shenanigans, I indeed listened but I receive little encouragement, much less to even try my ideas of leading a Fleet operation,
Bull.
I spent an hour in a private convo with you trying to help you get your footing after you lost 50mil isk in a week. You never listened to my suggestions, and I found out later you had been helped extensively by people I know for a fact know their **** when you first joined horde and wanted to get started building stuff. You were explicitly told your idea for producing vigils was a terrible one but you did it anyway then complained about the lost ISK.
And as for your fleet ops, everyone can post an OP and FC it, but actual people have to want to go on it in the first place. Seeing as you went for an ambitious hisec ganking op - ambitious because people generally expect to have ships waiting for them there, handed out by the FC, and you did not have the isk for this - as your first op, nobody had high hopes for the op. You also wrapped it up in so much pomp and flair that nobody could take it seriously. It's like you ate a thesaurus and transcribed the... results. If you wanted to gank stuff to death and pillage the wrecks, you could have taken out a gatecamp op instead with cheapy (and handed out by the NBI) thrashers/slashers/etc. They're literally some of the easiest ops to FC. I'd likely have gone on your gatecamp op as I like gatecamping. But no, you made a forum thread for an op nobody wanted to go on, and whats more, you didn't actually post it on the op board. |
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Saeger1737
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2113
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Posted - 2017.06.05 21:15:52 -
[51] - Quote
These walls of text aren't paid for by Mexico and do not wall off America from Mexico.
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Rhohan Alhamar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 21:28:21 -
[52] - Quote
This dialogue between Pandemic Horde and one of its dissidents intriguing, though I question if his "disagreements" are legitimate since he paints this vivid portrait of a failing alliance. I commend StarTerrorPrime in his vocabulary and passion, though it is somewhat overeccentric opposed to summarizing and pointing out these "Innefficiencies" he insists on gabbing on about. I will note to keep his advice in mind while I'm in search of corporation, as to avoid the same potential error he may've encountered. |
jack1974
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
276
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Posted - 2017.06.05 21:40:44 -
[53] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote: Shenanigans, I indeed listened but I receive little encouragement, much less to even try my ideas of leading a Fleet operation, and every other idea I had was met with extreme resistance, even from Gobbins himself which I feel says alot about how your leadership feels about innovation. Not to mention the treatment of fellow alphas and industrialists is horrid, as you expect us to operate in suboptimal conditions where defensive fleet response time lags behind unless Horde Capital assets such as rorqual come under attack, revealing where Horde's leadership places its priorities over the people who slave away with barely enough Isk to rub together, unable to even afford leaving your alliance as they've invested all their isk in assets within your territory. Your Fleet Doctrine even hinders me as straight from mouth of one of your directors "We prefer Gallente and Amarr players over Minmatar" when you fail to realize that Minmatar and Caldari can be some of the strongest pilots to contend with due the diversity of the damage we can provide in a given sitaution.
By the nature of your response, you even demonstrate how much you and horde would prefer a mindless drone over someone with that indomitable spark that cannot be quenched by the torrents of a river, and how much you are willing to beat them down for it. You fail to understand the importance of the mind, where Great thinkers and visionaries play a major part in any alliance, without them, labor alone cannot bring productivity and prosperity as it requires the guidance of mind in order to achieve the goal of prosperity. Horde's dependancy on others, even your leadership in regards purchasing capital ships from the neighboring dronelands shows the lack of capacity for the ability accomodate your producers, and the reliance on importing hardware emphasizes this even further.
This is a bunch of slander if I've ever seen it.
1. There are pages of examples of people trying to help you.
2. New Beans are well taken care of and are given the keys to a fleet on Day 1.
3. If you want your things back, you're going about it wrong.
4. I've never seen a conversation saying certain race trained pilots are preferred over another. How can you even consider this an option when Horde recruits alphas? You're saying Horde is limiting certain races but yet accepts pilots will zero skillpoints? Makes no sense....
5. Horde was built by great thinkers and continues to reshape the new player experience in many great ways.
6. Good luck keeping every ship for the horde stocked... especially capitals.
7. Panfam look out for each other, good luck in future endeavors.
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StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 22:36:22 -
[54] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:This dialogue between Pandemic Horde and one of its dissidents intriguing, though I question if his "disagreements" are legitimate since he paints this vivid portrait of a failing alliance. I commend StarTerrorPrime in his vocabulary and passion, though it is somewhat overeccentric opposed to summarizing and pointing out these "Innefficiencies" he insists on gabbing on about. I will note to keep his advice in mind while I'm in search of corporation, as to avoid the same potential error he may've encountered.
I have entire list of things I disagree with how Pandemic Horde is ran, and pretty much have said them already:
1. They are stubborn to accept change or new ideas 2. Their economy sucks at the moment with Cost Push Inflation and Demand-pull inflation 3. Their entire logistics network sucks, with all their citadels and engineering complexes centered in two systems as opposed to spreading them out. 4. Fleet response time is slow, as when I had an emergency, the fleet failed to arrive until it was too late 5. Their salvaging operations are way too hyper competitive as by the time you get there, its already picked clean 6. Their miners are too dependant on exporting ore for income instead of selling locally equivalent to Jita buy price, which is a fair price to buy ore at mind you 7. They want their members to be dependant on their shipping company, Valhalla shipping, to get anything out of hi sec space when its not economical to contract the service 8. Prices for minerals alone are way above Jita sell price, almost to the equivalent of Amarr's. 9. Their directors, NBI, and fleet commanders have rather large egos that are rather self centered versus a supportive nature that I would expect from those dealing with more fresh off the boat players 10. It took forever for anything to sell, even a line of 30 vigils and tormentors, Hell im still even trying to sell a bundle of ammo to them 11. Gobbins is a bit of a shisno considering his response to a thread was less than stellar as opposed using proper diplomacy and the nessecary leadership thats needed to lead any sort of group. 12. I made more money running my own corp in 3 days than running with them, which says quite a bit about them. 13. Their official fleet outfitting designer said my fitting designs were awful when most others i shared them with believed they were acceptable, instead of supporting my effort. 14. Getting a hold of someone took forever, and a lot of players were very anti social as they were prefer to keep to themselves 15. Horrible corporate fleet outfittings, seriously, most of them with some extremely innefficient design 16. FC's didnt read the "Art of War" to increase the efficiency of their fleet operations to be more successful 17. Could never find the ammo I needed, and if I did, it was stashed in the middle of nowhere 18. Anthur wanted me to rat out my fellow dissidents amongst the horde when i refused to do so. 19. Asteroid belts were often picked clean and had rats that were way above my level or ship class size to handle them properly 20. Location Location location! They had their operations center staged in potentially the worst place possible and far away from any sort of convenient location,, eg their real estate sucked. 21. Spread way too thin, considering what the PanFam is doing by expanding its territory so much, its gonna put a further strain on resourcecs, requiring more standing fleets when they should be consolidating what they have currently. TBH, someone can easily just walk into their territory and take a decent chunk of it without a quick enough response 22. Security Faltering, sure it was great for a while but considering the fact a Goon managed to set up camp within GME, PH's industrial center, and basically compromised the safety of its industrial center while said cloaky numbnut attacked any salvagers he saw. 23. Offering handouts, which is something I highly disagree with because of the psychology behind it, and how it effects a person negatively 24. The higher ups are more concerned about protecting PH's own assets such as rorqs over their player base and industrialists |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
532
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Posted - 2017.06.05 23:28:18 -
[55] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:giant wall of incorrectness 1. We're not going to accept bad ideas. We're fine with good ideas. Buying a fortizar and freeporting it in our space is not a good idea. 2. Markup is not inflation. Things cost money to bring from Jita, so they cost more here. 3. Why should we split them up? It's far safer and more convenient to have them close together and in systems served by JF. 4. Your killboard shows that you've mostly lost frigates and destroyers. Those really don't have the tank to survive for long, and usually a call of "www" is more of an "avenge me" than "save me." Also it's a freaking frigate that you probably got for free get over it. 5. So you're mad that we have a lot of players. Were you even calling OMW? Because that claims the salvage. 6. Then offer more money. Welcome to the free market. 7. Lol. Valhalla is not our shipping company, it's an enterprise run entirely by line members. SPAI is our official Horde shipping service. 8. So? I'd think that between Jita and Amarr would be fine. 9. lolno. 10. Shocker: Selling things there's low demand for takes a while. 11. If you're going to get booted and immediately apply for blue status on the basis of "well I wana sell you stuff" you deserve what you get. Sometimes diplomacy entails telling someone to go pound sand. 12. So? People will buy anything in highsec. There's less demand for things like vigils and tormentors, especially when vigils are handed out for free. 13. Link fits please. They may not have known better. 14. That's never been my experience. 15. Elaborate. 16. HAHAHAHAHA 17. That's funny, you said you had to fly 2 jumps for it. 18. "dissidents?" really? 19. NBI ratting destroyers work fine. Did you ask for one and how to use it? Did you try to mine in the anomalies? 20. It was a good place when we started, and you try moving a keepstar. And it still seems to work. 21. "Paraphrasing a qoute from the Art of War "You cannot wage without the economy to do so" and the more territory we have, the greater the influence." Quote from you. 22. Sorry for not being able to offer you perfect safety. 23. What's your proposal for the new players who join us with nothing? "Hello friend, please mine in your rookie ship until you have earned enough for a frigate?" We're a new player corp, and new players can really use that hand up. We literally don't hand out anything anything bigger than a destroyer. 24. We fuel ECs for you (and charge you no tax). As for ratters, how do you propose we protect them beyond a standing fleet without giving our cap group 5 days of jump fatigue? Horde wants to teach you to be self-sufficient. You have an intel channel, use it.
In short, you are wrong about basically everything.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Anthur Nakarkos
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
5
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Posted - 2017.06.05 23:30:40 -
[56] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:I have entire list of things I disagree with how Pandemic Horde is ran, and pretty much have said them already:
Hoo boy.
1) If your idea's good we'll listen. Yours were not. 2) Explain to me what both of those terms mean in relation to the tiny part of Horde's economy you saw to prove that you know what those words mean. 3) They are spread out, but only in single constellations and not in an illogical manner. This point is outright false. 4) 'Emergency' is too unspecific. Generally if you're in the correct standing fleet, in the right pocket and in a not shitfit ship while flying with a little common sense, you'll rarely lose anything. We're not Concorde, we can't teleport our cruisers to you. Besides, staying alive in null is much more on you than on standing fleet. 5) Yes it's competitive but not unmanageable. First person to respond in fleet chat or grab the BM gets the site. Even during peak salvaging hours its not hard to get a site. Also you can't warp to a picked-clean site as the anom code despawns when the last rat dies and the ratter warps off once the first salvager lands on grid. No idea what you're doing to get this but it's obviously not the way we tell players to go about it, but when did you ever listen before... 6) We can't force miners to sell anywhere (or sell at all instead of using their ore themselves), only provide options. If they can get a better price via buybacks shipping it up to Jita, then they're free to do that. It's up to you to make it worth their while to sell to you. 7) Valhalla is a) not an official horde service, as it's run by horde members, b) extremely cheap considering what they do (check Black Frog's prices for what it would otherwise cost you) and c) not the only freighter service. 8) Because everyone refines the ore themselves or has it shipped down. I also know for a fact there was someone offering a dirt-cheap perfect refining service when you were in Horde. 9) We were plenty supportive to you when you were fresh off the boat. Once you proved to be a derogative mango through-and-through you were treated like one. 10) Nobody buys vigils when they're handed out for free. Nobody buys tormentors because T1 amarr frigs are generally bad. 11) I had to google what 'shisno' was then had to stop laughing. Also Gobbins is clearly good at what he does as Horde is still going strong. He just has no time for drama-creating mangos. 12) Good for you. 13) Judging by your killboard your fits were simply bad. There's a reason you're not the corp fitting designer and they are. I also know they're one of the outright nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of chatting with and would likely have offered you tips (unless I'm thinking of the wrong person and you were referring to someone else, in which case they likely would also have offered you tips). 14) Ask in our help channel in either discord or in-game, there's always someone around. This is simply false. 15) Give me one example of this. Literally one, and explain why it's bad, and see if anyone here agrees with you. 16) Lol who gives a damn. Sun Tzu didn't have reinforcement timers or cynosural fields to worry about. You can be a perfectly good FC without reading it, or any other text on warfare. 17) Use other ammo. 18) Oh, hey! And no, I asked you to tell them to come to NBI on their own so we could work out a resolution with them instead of being forced to go through you, as you're proven yourself incapable of listening. Seeing as we've literally heard nothing from any other 'dissidents' both during and after your time in Horde, I have to either assume you did not relay my offer or that they're complete fabrications. 19) Go to hisec. Also if you'd listened (funny how often that sentence crops up when dealing with you) you'd know to mine in ore anoms, not belts. 20) The view from the Beanstar is quite nice I'll have you know. Really drives up the property values, not to mention the fact that all of Horde space can be reached from the jump bridges in that nice, central constellation, including our dead-end ratting pocket. 21) You have literally no idea how to take sov, do you? You cannot simply 'walk in' and take it. You have easily-predicted timers to chew through. We'd see a fleet built to take our sov coming from miles away. 22) Welcome to nullsec. This happens everywhere. Also, if you manage to find a way to probe down an AFK cloaky ship in a safe, please enlighten the rest of us, but for now, they literally cannot be found. Also that's a load of tripe about that being our industrial centre. We don't have an industrial centre. Go build in our other ECs if GME scares you. 23) How on Earth does it affect people negatively? Oh. wait, it doesn't. In fact, it encourages them to go out and take more risks and get to learn the game quicker and better than they otherwise would have because then a new player (for whom a single frigate is their world) isn't afraid to lose it. And nobody is forcing people to accept these ships. You don't have to take the free ships if you don't want them. 24) Rorqs are player assets, not Horde's. And Rorqs stay alive due to their own pilots not being idiots, just like everyone else. And yeah, it's leadership's job to look after the alliance and its infrastructure (which everyone in the alliance can use, mind you). It's the player's job to keep themselves and their own assets alive. |
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
659
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Posted - 2017.06.05 23:50:30 -
[57] - Quote
All these lists make me wanna start my own list of reasons why i wouldn't mind joining the horde if i had more real life time...
Sadly the one thing i do not have is time. Let alone time to make a list. I did read this while on break though. It took time. Time i will not list on my jobcard.
Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
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Gareth Jax
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.05 23:54:51 -
[58] - Quote
OMFG.
I can feel brain cells dying. Please make it stop!!!!! |
Radious Servasse
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
78
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Posted - 2017.06.05 23:55:50 -
[59] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote: I have entire list of things I disagree with how Pandemic Horde is ran, and pretty much have said them already:
2. Their economy sucks at the moment with Cost Push Inflation and Demand-pull inflation
8. Prices for minerals alone are way above Jita sell price, almost to the equivalent of Amarr's. 10. It took forever for anything to sell, even a line of 30 vigils and tormentors, Hell im still even trying to sell a bundle of ammo to 22. Security Faltering, sure it was great for a while but considering the fact a Goon managed to set up camp within GME, PH's industrial center, and basically compromised the safety of its industrial center while said cloaky numbnut attacked any salvagers he saw. 23. Offering handouts, which is something I highly disagree with because of the psychology behind it, and how it effects a person negatively 24. The higher ups are more concerned about protecting PH's own assets such as rorqs over their player base and industrialists
Wow the cancer. It's insideous and it spreads. I don't have the time or patience to address everything here, but for a few points:
4. I FC'd my first fleet a few days ago. It was against a Jackdaw fleet of about 30. We engaged in Caracals to defend our ratting pocket. Then they dropped caps, and we out escalated them, despite dropping a dread fleet right on top of us. We had literally 30 seconds to save some high value ships, 30 seconds to drop faxes to save a super they were about to kill. PH has one of the best reaction times I've ever witnessed. Don't blame PH because your T1 hauler couldn't withstand the power of an Insta-Blapper. Appropriate ships and safeguards are used against potential threats all the time. If you don't have the skill or isk required to operate T2 Haulers for the additional saftey, don't blame others for your lack of experience. Tbh, if it wasn't for an experienced FC shadowing me, giving me valuble knowledge, it would have ended up in defeat. You have people with vast experience who have played this game for several years teaching you about smart things to build or buy to sell. But instead, you follow your own ideas (which isn't that bad), but when you start blaming others for your failures, it does start to become aggrovating.
2. And for the "economy"? Sprouting off self-made words with no real meaning does not make you look smart. It does the opposite. Fyi, nullsec is completly run by players, the economy works based off supply and demand. If a player needs a ship, he either buys it off the market from a smart builder who has studies the graphs of what is in demand, or he pings a builder to build him that ship. That is supply and demand.
8. LMAO. Ores and minerals are soooooo much harder to obtain in nullsec due to scarcity. In PH the ore markets are seeded by miners who have laboured hours upon hours to bring those rocks to market, which may not sell quickly. You might have 100 people seeding the ore. In Jita and Amarr, they have several thousand people constantly shooting rocks and hauling it in. Since the supply is so much larger than the demand, the price of ore goes down.
23. Seriously? Free ships? How can you possibly have a gripe against that? Unless you want to be poor. You got to realise, the average nullsec player earns about 45-50m Isk an hour. 2 minutes work. For the many rorq pilots out there. It's about 20 seconds to mine that ore to build it. Tbh, those ships that are given out are for the new players, who have nothing to their name. It's designed to give back, to help new players get on their feet so they can start learning about everything else.
24. "The higher ups..." lol. PH is one of the most flat-based command structures I've EVER seen. Anybody can be an FC. The 10% tax is redistributed to the protectors of the ratters and miners. PH is literally built for the players.
22. LOL. Nullsec means no security. The irony? It's safer than highsec. At least when you see a neut, you know they want to kill you, and you can call other members of your alliance to save your hide.
10. I'm going to teach you something special. It's called supply and demand. Pvpers take out ships to go and blow up. Most PVPers follow a doctrine, or fleet fitting. When they die, they want to buy new ships, hence the word "demand". The word gets out and miners/indy guys say, "Hey, look at this new hole in the market. Lets fill it up by building new ships," and then when supply meets demand, everyone profits. When supply is fewer than demand, only a few profit, but they profit big time.
In all seriousness, please join Eve uni, or at least pay attention to what people are trying to tell you. It's how you will learn. |
Anthur Nakarkos
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
5
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Posted - 2017.06.06 00:04:03 -
[60] - Quote
StonerPhReaK wrote:All these lists make me wanna start my own list of reasons why i wouldn't mind joining the horde if i had more real life time...
Sadly the one thing i do not have is time. Let alone time to make a list. I did read this while on break though. It took time. Time i will not list on my jobcard.
Come join us. We have literally 0 activity requirements. We only ask you to log on at least once a month, and the reason for that is so you don't get caught in an inactivity purge. Even then, if you get kicked in a purge like that, you can reapply and be back in the corp in under an hour. We don't require you to go on fleets, we don't require you to contribute to the corp at all, we don't require you to do anything at all, and that freedom is why I like Horde myself. |
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Radious Servasse
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
78
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Posted - 2017.06.06 00:16:45 -
[61] - Quote
You know, after looking at your employment history, I feel pretty bad for you. You've come back to the game for a few weeks and you get the door slammed in your face. My previous post was made in irratation and I wanted to convey some very basic principles about how Eve worked. I want to pass on a few words of advice, even wiser than my previous hard post.
1. Understand people. Read, "How to win friends and influence people" by Dale Carnigie. It is a must.
2. Understand EVE is a game. The best way to learn how to play is by listening to advice spoken by people who've actually acomplished what you are attempting to do.
3. The worst thing you can possibly be is stubborn. Especially in this game. A few months ago, I was brazen enough to take on a bet, that I could take an Orca into nullsec, through multiple regions and back to my home system at that time, from Jita. I thought I was that good. I was butchered in low sec before I even made it into null. Does that mean I'm now a terrible player? No, it means I was stupid, foolhardy and arrogant to other people warning me not to do the bet. (Ok, I never really did expect to survive and I was too busy having fun blowing up 700m to care about it at the time, afterall it was a bet and I didn't really expect to survive, but this prooves my point). At that time, I did not think of the negative repurcussions that would have, like being stuck with a killmail that size on my killboard. (Since alot of Corps look at your KB to decide if they want you). I thought I would share this story to hopefully inspire you to start looking beyond your own opinions and beliefs.
-Rad |
jack1974
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
277
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Posted - 2017.06.06 00:37:18 -
[62] - Quote
1. Horde is Recruiting |
Saeger1737
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2119
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Posted - 2017.06.06 00:40:10 -
[63] - Quote
Gareth Jax wrote:OMFG.
I can feel brain cells dying. Please make it stop!!!!!
The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Rhohan Alhamar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.06.06 01:04:57 -
[64] - Quote
After a brief excursion into Pandemic Horde's sovereignty, I feel I understand what the original poster's complaint are, at least to what I can interpret:
My Observations: - Pandemic Horde space is indeed quite easy to walk into if you are alone, particularly with a lack of warp disruption devices, and considering I idled next to a caracal for approximately 30 seconds - His Miner issue appears to be more of an issue in regards to the systems themselves as my observations shown that there is a lack of certain materials within their belts, aside from what can be procured from Ore sites. - The Claim of anti-social players seems somewhat valid as I attempted to engage the natives with little success except for Dark Lord Trump - Prices from observing the Market tool aren't as preferable to what It is potentially found elsewhere, even as an Amarrian pilot - The rats are humongous, quite literally as most I witnessed weren't any smaller than a destroyer - The Main staging system appears to be several jumps away from the nearest low sec station in order to acquire equipment - It is rather boring in that direction unless you have the proper size classification of ship, or an accompanying fleet, to ensure its worthwhile. - A number of citadels are being unused to their full potential as I passed by an unoccupied Fortizar upon entering from low sec, a practically 500 billion isk investment underutilized
So some of the original poster's complaints possess solidarity or an underlying cause, as to be impartial towards any party involved in this thread.
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theRaptor
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.06 01:51:54 -
[65] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote: - Pandemic Horde space is indeed quite easy to walk into if you are alone, particularly with a lack of warp disruption devices, and considering I idled next to a caracal for approximately 30 seconds - His Miner issue appears to be more of an issue in regards to the systems themselves as my observations shown that there is a lack of certain materials within their belts, aside from what can be procured from Ore sites. - The Claim of anti-social players seems somewhat valid as I attempted to engage the natives with little success except for Dark Lord Trump - Prices from observing the Market tool aren't as preferable to what It is potentially found elsewhere, even as an Amarrian pilot - The rats are humongous, quite literally as most I witnessed weren't any smaller than a destroyer - The Main staging system appears to be several jumps away from the nearest low sec station in order to acquire equipment - It is rather boring in that direction unless you have the proper size classification of ship, or an accompanying fleet, to ensure its worthwhile. - A number of citadels are being unused to their full potential as I passed by an unoccupied Fortizar upon entering from low sec, a practically 500 billion isk investment underutilized
- Depends on the time of day. At times the major entrances are camped by twenty plus people.
- Nobody belt mines in null if they know what they are doing. Ore anoms have made belts redundant.
- Few people bother with local.
- Yes, as its nullsec and anything not made locally has to be shipped in via jump freighter not by hisec haulers working almost for free.
- Yet if you follow our handy video guides even a day one alpha can kill battleship rats.
- That's because in nullsec alliances use jump freighters to bring goods/ore from Jita and other market hubs to our own nullsec market hubs. The thing that matters is JF jumps not proximity to low sec stations, something StarTerrorPrime never managed to grasp no matter how often he was told.
- No you just need to know what you are doing. And teaching that is the point of Horde. Some people just refuse to learn because they have a grandiose self-image and like to compare themselves to literary heroes.
- No it's more like 20 billion. And the fact that Horde can afford to spam citadels around counters StarTerrorPrime's concerns for the imminent collapse of PanFams economy.
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Cake Apple
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3
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Posted - 2017.06.06 03:37:20 -
[66] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:This dialogue between Pandemic Horde and one of its dissidents intriguing, though I question if his "disagreements" are legitimate since he paints this vivid portrait of a failing alliance. I commend StarTerrorPrime in his vocabulary and passion, though it is somewhat overeccentric opposed to summarizing and pointing out these "Innefficiencies" he insists on gabbing on about. I will note to keep his advice in mind while I'm in search of corporation, as to avoid the same potential error he may've encountered.
Please don't. You'll never find an alliance in the game that you'll like if you note his advice. Also, idk what he is saying about disagreements. |
Sakaar Sukarala
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.06 04:00:07 -
[67] - Quote
Oh wow now you're complaining on the actual forums too. I'm losing track of how many places this is now.
We tried to help you. We tried to explain to you even the base concept of supply and demand. You refused to listen and then whined about it. You even tried to get on Discord and whine to directors about how the miners were "unionizing".
You spammed your contract in 3 corp chat channels. A contract we told you was under Jita BUY. not sell like you're trying to say in your initial post. You wanted us to sell you and deliver 12M worth of minerals....(Yes this whole thing started over a 12M contract. I wish I was kidding) when it was valued at 13M just for the price of them. I explained that nobody is going to fill that contract and ship them too you, so you'd be better off mining them yourself.
....all to produce what our NBIs hand out for free. After complaining in multiple channels, Discord, and the forums you wanted to have us blue your alt corp because you didn't want to be in Horde anymore. So we laughed you off of our forums.
The problem isn't us dude. Its the fact you wouldn't accept anything we tried to teach you. We offered you the ability to prove us wrong too but you just whined about it rather than try to prove your guaranteed to fail method.
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Keno Skir
1642
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Posted - 2017.06.06 08:49:44 -
[68] - Quote
Gimme Sake wrote:Yebo Lakatosh wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:the "Imperium" never meant anything to anyone I know a few thousand players who'd disagree with you here. You mean KFC.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
358
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Posted - 2017.06.06 09:55:41 -
[69] - Quote
Cake Apple wrote:Rhohan Alhamar wrote:This dialogue between Pandemic Horde and one of its dissidents intriguing, though I question if his "disagreements" are legitimate since he paints this vivid portrait of a failing alliance. I commend StarTerrorPrime in his vocabulary and passion, though it is somewhat overeccentric opposed to summarizing and pointing out these "Innefficiencies" he insists on gabbing on about. I will note to keep his advice in mind while I'm in search of corporation, as to avoid the same potential error he may've encountered. Please don't. You'll never find an alliance in the game that you'll like if you note his advice. Also, idk what he is saying about disagreements.
I had to like this. Good advice. It seems to me that the OP needs to find an corporation of like-minded Randians to argue with.
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Cake Apple
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
5
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Posted - 2017.06.06 09:58:51 -
[70] - Quote
https://ascee.apps.goonswarm.org/ |
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Falcretian
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
0
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Posted - 2017.06.06 10:01:08 -
[71] - Quote
Cake Apple wrote:https://ascee.apps.goonswarm.org/
I think you will like it there Starterror, I hear they have many trading posts, and their FCs have probably read the art of war... |
Nathon Eijkov
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.06 10:22:40 -
[72] - Quote
Have you tried talking to the fine people on reddit?
They might understand what you are trying to accomplish. |
Saeger1737
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2123
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Posted - 2017.06.06 10:23:58 -
[73] - Quote
Falcretian wrote:Cake Apple wrote:https://ascee.apps.goonswarm.org/ I think you will like it there Starterror, I hear they have many trading posts, and their FCs have probably read the art of war... He should probably join test since he likes to make lists and he might like their propaganda engine.
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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MechaJeb Kerman
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
32
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Posted - 2017.06.06 10:41:57 -
[74] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:
- The Claim of anti-social players seems somewhat valid as I attempted to engage the natives with little success except for Dark Lord Trump - Prices from observing the Market tool aren't as preferable to what It is potentially found elsewhere, even as an Amarrian pilot - The rats are humongous, quite literally as most I witnessed weren't any smaller than a destroyer - The Main staging system appears to be several jumps away from the nearest low sec station in order to acquire equipment
A lot of people are either AFK or too busy to chat in local. Pretty sure you only see items for sale in our citadels if you have the docking rights. There is no need to go to lowsec, our market is actually seeded quite well, albeit usually with some markup, I mean we all have to feed our space kids somehow. If anything is not available, or you just want things cheaper you can use a jumpfreighter service and get things delivered straight from Jita within 24 hours. Join Horde, people will teach you how to take out even the scary huge battleship rats with a destroyer, which even will be given to you for free.
I'll crudely Photoshop an image of Helen Thomas onto a picture of your choosing for 30m. PM me.
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Averyl
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
7
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Posted - 2017.06.06 16:09:07 -
[75] - Quote
Quote:I have entire list of things I disagree with how Pandemic Horde is ran, and pretty much have said them already:
1. No, not really... just ones that make zero sense 2. Clearly you have no idea the complexity of null sov economy and what all is involved. You barely saw a fraction of a percent of it. 3. As was said previously, this is for security and ease of logistics. 4. Rule 1 of null is watch local/intel... if you break rule #1, your results may vary, standing fleet or no standing fleet.
6. 12,000 members can pretty much do whatever they want with the ore they mine. We don't judge... 7. No one has to be dependent on any shipping company. If you don't like it, train a JF alt and haul it yourself. Once you do that, you will understand why shipping costs what it does. Jump fuel isn't exactly cheap. 8. It's null... everything costs more. Live with it (or not). You don't have 50,000 bot miners running in belts 23/7 like in empire. 9. Ego's... yeah some... no different than the one you have where it's beneath you to listen to anyone trying to help you. 10. Wrong items for the market... learn the market before you try to sell in it. 11. Gobbins is the alliance CEO. He has an entire team to help manage 12,000 members. He doesn't have time to respond to every single little issue every day. Thats how real corporations work, not some snowflake crap you read in a book. 12. Your doing it wrong... period. 13. Don't expect to join up, be here a week or two, with little to no PvP background and expect to try and change fleet doctrine. These guys have been doing it for years and are damned good at what they do. 14. Large corp, people have RL and aren't on 23/7. Probably depended on who/what you were trying to ask or do. 15. Your lack of PvP background or the fact that we cover such a broad range of member skill levels shows how little you understand when you post this comment. If you think our fleet fits suck, ask the guys that regularly get bashed by our "inefficient" fits. 16. Art of war doesn't apply to internet spaceships... there was no DD's, Blops and Titan bridges in Ancient China. 17. Yet again, if you don't see it, build it or seed it.
19. No one rats belts in null... 20. Our space is just fine, you just don't understand the logistics of null. You want crappy space, go talk to the guys in Providence. 21. Clearly you don't understand how the Sov system works, or coalitions... or much of anything null related. This isn't empire space. 22. No one ever said null was 100% safe. Nothing in EVE is 100% safe, unless you dock up in empire, log off and never log back on. Then it's still not really safe. Learn that or go play WoW. 23. Then don't take the handout, no one forced you to. That will save them for the new players that really want to learn and grow in this game. Which we will gladly help them in any way we can. 24. Actually the higher ups work to protect everyone, however first and foremost you are required to learn how to watch out for yourself. Rorqs and other caps have enough tank to survive long enough for a response fleet to try and save them. Your little T1 frigate that you fit yourself because you refuse to use the tried and tested fits provided isn't going to last long enough to type w's in fleet chat. That's if your even in fleet or on comms.[
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28408
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Posted - 2017.06.06 18:15:30 -
[76] - Quote
The OP's economic analysis is missing graphs.
NG;DR
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Averyl
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
7
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:01:23 -
[77] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The OP's economic analysis is missing graphs.
NG;DR
Don't encourage him... |
Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
203
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:51:08 -
[78] - Quote
I'm surprised you can JF minerals considering its easy to put your mining Titan in the top belt and mine away like the rest of null sec. |
Averyl
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
8
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Posted - 2017.06.06 22:04:17 -
[79] - Quote
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:I'm surprised you can JF minerals considering its easy to put your mining Titan in the top belt and mine away like the rest of null sec.
Didn't you hear? Horde has figured out a way to mount strip miners on a Keepstar... it's true arm chair hold my beer mining at it's finest. |
StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
0
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Posted - 2017.06.07 01:28:07 -
[80] - Quote
Averyl wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The OP's economic analysis is missing graphs.
NG;DR Don't encourage him...
In this situation, I'd agree because the CCP monthly economic reports basically summarize it for me and comparing the prices of common materials like minerals between various regions just simply says it outright, as Hek had better mineral prices than Hordespace did, and that basically summarizes it, with the exception you would be able find better prices on hardware there. Most items in Hordespace were marked up above 20%< X% to nearly 100%< X , as compared to some major trade hubs and alliances markup on products versus on the cost to make them. A perfect example is the average cost to make a cruiser, say a Bellicose, would run me about say 5 mil to produce with a 7% material efficiency, and could easily flip it for about 7.5mil in Metropolis, on the other hand in the Fade and Pure Blind regions, for me to produce or even import, I would have sell at 25%< markup which is not in the ideal margins that you want to be selling any product regardless. Hell's Bells, Jita's 16% markup average on products is more reasonable than the prices i would pay in Horde Space, I mean come on, 30%<50% markup on a T1 frigate is shenanigans, even by most players standards, sure I would understand for higher tier modules and equipment but not for basic staples that a majority of your recruits would need in order to survive.
@Sakaar Sukural
Incorrect, Several miners wanted me to pay them according to Jita SELL price versus my offer of paying according to Jita Buy price which is fair price across Empire Space regardless as I've used Jita buy price before with great success in other regions. Most of them complained about a very small marginal 1% to 2% difference due to the fact that Jita's prices fluctuate based on the fact there is literally 500+ players in Jita at any given time creating buy and sell orders. If Horde Miners refuse to honor a standard Forge rate buy order contract, that is a sign that I'm not going to be able to produce anything with a 10%<15% profit margin without my expenditures exceeding my expected sale gross, a factor in which contributed to my decision in leaving Horde. Not to mention a lot of other Horde industrialists whose names I won't reveal will agree that being strongarmed into paying Jita Sell price is nonsensical and considerably a **** move. Said miners even stated they would rather ship their compressed ores to Jita because of the Sell prices, effectively outsourcing their time and labor to anyone except the alliance itself, instead of selling it locally.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2306
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Posted - 2017.06.07 02:27:45 -
[81] - Quote
*makes more popcorn*
He just doesn't learn, does he?
*makes lemonade*
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Rhohan Alhamar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.06.07 03:00:41 -
[82] - Quote
Cake Apple wrote:Rhohan Alhamar wrote:This dialogue between Pandemic Horde and one of its dissidents intriguing, though I question if his "disagreements" are legitimate since he paints this vivid portrait of a failing alliance. I commend StarTerrorPrime in his vocabulary and passion, though it is somewhat overeccentric opposed to summarizing and pointing out these "Innefficiencies" he insists on gabbing on about. I will note to keep his advice in mind while I'm in search of corporation, as to avoid the same potential error he may've encountered. Please don't. You'll never find an alliance in the game that you'll like if you note his advice. Also, idk what he is saying about disagreements.
The more the original poster speaks, the more deterred I am to placing Pandemic Horde amongst my roster of Alliance canidates unless any of those present have the evidence to refute his claims with the nessecary data. His experience shared is quite indicative of what sort of behavior I'd expect out of its alliance members, much less the responses to his expression of his dissatisfaction en lieu of a mature calculated response is disheartening. Verbally attacking him for voicing his opinions on the status of a corporation's welfare alone is childish, as both parties are entitled to their viewpoints, but the inability to treat this matter with the proper diplomacy disgusts me.
Upon reading his in-game biography, It appears a logical solution to end his tirade would to be to bribe him with something of value, as he proclaims to be a pirate. Can someone please buy his silence? It seems he intends to gain something by assualting Pandemic Horde's reputation or at least fulfill an agenda. I fear he won't cease unless he gets whatever he's after, or continue his efforts beyond this point, because the level of idiocracy on the behalf of both parties is acinine. |
Cake Apple
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
11
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Posted - 2017.06.07 08:57:32 -
[83] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:Cake Apple wrote:Rhohan Alhamar wrote:This dialogue between Pandemic Horde and one of its dissidents intriguing, though I question if his "disagreements" are legitimate since he paints this vivid portrait of a failing alliance. I commend StarTerrorPrime in his vocabulary and passion, though it is somewhat overeccentric opposed to summarizing and pointing out these "Innefficiencies" he insists on gabbing on about. I will note to keep his advice in mind while I'm in search of corporation, as to avoid the same potential error he may've encountered. Please don't. You'll never find an alliance in the game that you'll like if you note his advice. Also, idk what he is saying about disagreements. The more the original poster speaks, the more deterred I am to placing Pandemic Horde amongst my roster of Alliance canidates unless any of those present have the evidence to refute his claims with the nessecary data. His experience shared is quite indicative of what sort of behavior I'd expect out of its alliance members, much less the responses to his expression of his dissatisfaction en lieu of a mature calculated response is disheartening. Verbally attacking him for voicing his opinions on the status of a corporation's welfare alone is childish, as both parties are entitled to their viewpoints, but the inability to treat this matter with the proper diplomacy disgusts me. Upon reading his in-game biography, It appears a logical solution to end his tirade would to be to bribe him with something of value, as he proclaims to be a pirate. Can someone please buy his silence? It seems he intends to gain something by assualting Pandemic Horde's reputation or at least fulfill an agenda. I fear he won't cease unless he gets whatever he's after, or continue his efforts beyond this point, because the level of idiocracy on the behalf of both parties is acinine.
You haven't heard our part of the story. We tried to help him, give him tips. He didn't listen. Some NBI (Newbean Initiative) the dudes thats focused on helping new players in Horde even spoke to him one on one. Giving him useful tips on how to not make money. We are not considering his ideas because he doesn't have credibility and they're all ****. Being the nature of Horde's recruitment is open for all. FCs and the people in charge on how the alliance works wont approve the plan of a 7 day character in Horde more so if that character haven't even played long enough to really know something about the game or how alliances works. Also wanting to buy ore for 60% jita buy price is just bullshit. He isnt going to build something useful out of that anyway. Welcome to the free market that most alliances in the whole game do. Also as I said before. If you take his word on looking for an alliance to join. You're going to have a bad ******* time |
Vladimir's Revenge
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
6
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Posted - 2017.06.07 09:02:40 -
[84] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote: The more the original poster speaks, the more deterred I am to placing Pandemic Horde amongst my roster of Alliance canidates unless any of those present have the evidence to refute his claims with the nessecary data. His experience shared is quite indicative of what sort of behavior I'd expect out of its alliance members, much less the responses to his expression of his dissatisfaction en lieu of a mature calculated response is disheartening. Verbally attacking him for voicing his opinions on the status of a corporation's welfare alone is childish, as both parties are entitled to their viewpoints, but the inability to treat this matter with the proper diplomacy disgusts me.
Upon reading his in-game biography, It appears a logical solution to end his tirade would to be to bribe him with something of value, as he proclaims to be a pirate. Can someone please buy his silence? It seems he intends to gain something by assualting Pandemic Horde's reputation or at least fulfill an agenda. I fear he won't cease unless he gets whatever he's after, or continue his efforts beyond this point, because the level of idiocracy on the behalf of both parties is acinine.
I thoroughly enjoy your usage of right-click "Thesaurus" in Microsoft Word while you write this drivel. You might have at least used the spell check function as well.
If you think PanFam, or really any other alliance is going to be a place where your opinions (especially when they are categorically wrong) are taken at face value and not questioned or challenged, I think you are in for a shock when you get into the real world. Like the real world, there are no safe spaces in PanFam, and if you expect to be coddled as a special snowflake, let me save you some bad posts on our forums and simply say, "Don't bother."
HORDE helps newbros, answers their questions, gets them set up in game. HORDE does not suffer selfish pieces of **** who are too dumb to recognize when they are wrong and the majority is right. Humility will get you far in life and far in this game, lack of it will generally end with you being **** on and washed out like the shitstain you are. |
Alhira Katserna
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2463
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Posted - 2017.06.07 09:10:13 -
[85] - Quote
Mike Adoulin wrote:*makes more popcorn*
He just doesn't learn, does he?
*makes lemonade*
Steals some popcorn
No he doesn-¦t. You should have read the pastebin of one of his convos. I really needed to change my pants after that one.
@Rhohan Alhamar
Tbh don-¦t take anything in this thread here serious. At this point of time its just a trollfest all around.
Also he got offered a few hundred million ISK if he stops posting in PH forums, so vOv. And the only reputation he ruined is his own. |
Mikhail O'Gara
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
2
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Posted - 2017.06.07 09:12:15 -
[86] - Quote
FC, please don't let this train end. |
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
307
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Posted - 2017.06.07 09:16:40 -
[87] - Quote
Averyl wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The OP's economic analysis is missing graphs.
NG;DR Don't encourage him...
I like links to music, gives the thread a little je ne sais quoi, ambiance perhaps?
OP music please!! Set your own tone with your own tune.
Walls of text are boring but a link to music is a window into your soul.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.
(Bob's a cuck)
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Alhira Katserna
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2463
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Posted - 2017.06.07 17:15:47 -
[88] - Quote
Yeah... That ain-¦t happening, pal. |
Anthur Nakarkos
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
7
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Posted - 2017.06.07 17:51:35 -
[89] - Quote
So we give him half a bil to post them again? The deal of a lifetime!
Also @Rohan Alhamar, I'd hoped to enlighten you with the long evemail I sent you in response to your mail to me. I told you of the state of Horde and exactly why and how Starter is full of crap, and then I went and posted a long-ass reply to his inanity in this thread. If you continue to view Starter's points as being valid despite all the **** literally everyone in this thread is heaping on him, despite how he has been refuted time and time and time again (when people actually manage to decipher his flowery spiel to figure out what the actual hell he means), then I'm not going to spend any more time trying to convince you that Horde isn't bad at all. After all, if you really wanted to see what we're like, you can just join us and find out for yourself. We require literally nothing from our members and we don't care if you turn up with nothing but a rookie ship, so all your stuff will be safe and waiting for you where you left it if we do turn out to be unrepentant gits.
Also as for paying Starter off, lolno. He's nowhere near as big a problem to Horde a she thinks he is. This thread has been mocked in Horde comms (why do you think so many of us are here? lol) and then forgotten entirely. He's a molehill who thinks he's a mountain. |
Pterry Dactyl Kasterborous
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
7
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Posted - 2017.06.07 17:58:51 -
[90] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:After a brief excursion into Pandemic Horde's sovereignty, I feel I understand what the original poster's complaint are, at least to what I can interpret:
My Observations: - Pandemic Horde space is indeed quite easy to walk into if you are alone, particularly with a lack of warp disruption devices, and considering I idled next to a caracal for approximately 30 seconds - His Miner issue appears to be more of an issue in regards to the systems themselves as my observations shown that there is a lack of certain materials within their belts, aside from what can be procured from Ore sites. - The Claim of anti-social players seems somewhat valid as I attempted to engage the natives with little success except for Dark Lord Trump - Prices from observing the Market tool aren't as preferable to what It is potentially found elsewhere, even as an Amarrian pilot - The rats are humongous, quite literally as most I witnessed weren't any smaller than a destroyer - The Main staging system appears to be several jumps away from the nearest low sec station in order to acquire equipment - It is rather boring in that direction unless you have the proper size classification of ship, or an accompanying fleet, to ensure its worthwhile. - A number of citadels are being unused to their full potential as I passed by an unoccupied Fortizar upon entering from low sec, a practically 500 billion isk investment underutilized
So some of the original poster's complaints possess solidarity or an underlying cause, as to be impartial towards any party involved in this thread.
- his miner issue wasn't from lack of ore available. he found it maddening that miners wouldn't sell to him at 60% below Jita
- no one reads local. how about you consider that before saying horde is anti-social when discord is active 24/7 throughout multiple channels
- the huge rats can be killed by day 1 alpha characters. horde gives these newbeans ships to rat in for free
-do you know null? everything you need can be bought in staging system. if you need something you ship it in from jita with one of our many freighter services.. not go to a lowsec station lol
-lol 500 billion investment |
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Averyl
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
8
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Posted - 2017.06.07 19:41:45 -
[91] - Quote
Pterry Dactyl Kasterborous wrote:
-lol 500 billion investment
That is funny... even if it were accurate... Once again it's an indication of his ignorance of null mechanics. Every one of those citadels has some sort of purpose. Many of the ones he's complaining about don't even belong to Horde. Those that do are being used for something. Just because there isn't someone docked in them or what he perceives as a lack of market in them doesn't mean they don't have a very valid and useful purpose. Regardless, it's not like he'd listen even if it were explained. |
Rhohan Alhamar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.06.07 20:23:49 -
[92] - Quote
@Anthur Nakarkos
The picture he portrays is neither ideal or horrid of your group from my understanding though I'm hesistant to join your alliance due to the nature of how you are handling the original poster, and its evident he is willing to negoatiate even under the onslaught of criticism for expressing his dissatisfaction. On the other end of the spectrum, @Starterrorprime, it seems you are trying to accomplish a goal of sorts by creating this thread, so might I suggest the both of you compromise regarding this matter. Starterrorprime wishes to acquire 500 million ISK, and Anthur, you wish for him to cease his efforts to hinder recruitment, so here is my solution, you pay Starterrorprime the ISK to write a fair review of your corporation and rescend his prior statements while ceasing his media attacks. If you two manage to settle this diplomatically, I will be more than inclined to join the Pandemic Horde Anthur, and purchase whatever sell contract Star insists on flooding my inbox with, it is idiotic that you two cannot settle this matter.
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Areen Sassel
201
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Posted - 2017.06.07 20:40:08 -
[93] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:Starterrorprime wishes to acquire 500 million ISK, and Anthur, you wish for him to cease his efforts to hinder recruitment, so here is my solution, you pay Starterrorprime the ISK to write a fair review of your corporation and rescend his prior statements while ceasing his media attacks.
What an extraordinary coincidence that an account that exists only to post in this thread in an incoherent thesaurus soup thinks that PanFam should pay the OP - who also posts in an incoherent thesaurus soup - half a billion ISK. I wonder how that happened? |
Saeger1737
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2125
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Posted - 2017.06.07 20:42:57 -
[94] - Quote
Starterrorprime makes this much sense to sum it up!!!
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Somi Zulfi
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
11
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Posted - 2017.06.07 21:00:57 -
[95] - Quote
Now now, this too is :content:, lest we forget.
:popcorn:
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
535
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Posted - 2017.06.07 21:22:47 -
[96] - Quote
Areen Sassel wrote:Rhohan Alhamar wrote:Starterrorprime wishes to acquire 500 million ISK, and Anthur, you wish for him to cease his efforts to hinder recruitment, so here is my solution, you pay Starterrorprime the ISK to write a fair review of your corporation and rescend his prior statements while ceasing his media attacks. What an extraordinary coincidence that an account that exists only to post in this thread in an incoherent thesaurus soup thinks that PanFam should pay the OP - who also posts in an incoherent thesaurus soup - half a billion ISK. I wonder how that happened? Interestingly enough, they both fail at using the quote button in the exact same way.
@Rhohan (since this is how we're quoting now) We're not going to bow to extortionists. Especially extortionists who can't figure out what alliance they joined or how to spell rescind. We've tried being respectful to him and it didn't work, he blatantly refused to learn. We're not going to settle the matter because there isn't really anything to settle: he's dead wrong and should probably close his mouth before he makes an even bigger fool of himself.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Raiz Nhell
Tactically Gifted Tactical Supremacy
569
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:21:29 -
[97] - Quote
Mike Adoulin wrote:*makes more popcorn*
He just doesn't learn, does he?
*makes lemonade*
I have a great recipe for homebrew hard lemonade... it might take the edge of this guy :)
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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Radious Servasse
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
89
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Posted - 2017.06.08 00:13:22 -
[98] - Quote
I tried to help. Sad that the cancer is only spreading. I suppose the big lesson here is that fancy and eloquent language is no substitute for a proper understanding of the game mechanics.
I think Starterrorprime is too capitalistic to realise that.
Grabs popcorn. Slides on shades. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3149
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Posted - 2017.06.08 00:28:23 -
[99] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The OP's economic analysis is missing graphs.
NG;DR
Grammar, factual accuracy, and anything resembling a reasoned thought were also notably in short supply.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Areen Sassel
202
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Posted - 2017.06.08 01:01:52 -
[100] - Quote
Radious Servasse wrote:I think Starterrorprime is too capitalistic to realise that.
Frankly I'm a bit confused about that side of the OP. Free frigates for new recruits is bad because it's evil socialism, but miners should provide a local mineral supply for the common good rather than sell their output where they please? |
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Bill Auduin
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.08 02:15:14 -
[101] - Quote
OP, your post lacks details. Could you elaborate on the key points?
Also ez page 6 snipe btw tbh |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2309
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Posted - 2017.06.08 02:25:28 -
[102] - Quote
Alhira Katserna wrote:STEALS MAH POPCORN
You filthy thief!!!!
*makes more popcorn and hides it*
*hides the lemonade too*
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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onionn1
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.08 04:23:22 -
[103] - Quote
everyone should lay off poor starterrorprime
if it wasn't for those evil socialist miners unions keeping him down we could have had the BUSTLING trade port of rqh |
Flaming Butterfly
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4
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Posted - 2017.06.08 05:34:48 -
[104] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:@Anthur Nakarkos
The picture he portrays is neither ideal or horrid of your group from my understanding though I'm hesistant to join your alliance due to the nature of how you are handling the original poster, and its evident he is willing to negoatiate even under the onslaught of criticism for expressing his dissatisfaction. On the other end of the spectrum, @Starterrorprime, it seems you are trying to accomplish a goal of sorts by creating this thread, so might I suggest the both of you compromise regarding this matter. Starterrorprime wishes to acquire 500 million ISK, and Anthur, you wish for him to cease his efforts to hinder recruitment, so here is my solution, you pay Starterrorprime the ISK to write a fair review of your corporation and rescend his prior statements while ceasing his media attacks. If you two manage to settle this diplomatically, I will be more than inclined to join the Pandemic Horde Anthur, and purchase whatever sell contract Star insists on flooding my inbox with, it is idiotic that you two cannot settle this matter.
It is not often that I want to post on these forums, however that changed with the OP's thread and now your response. Making a compromise with someone that attacked your corporation/alliance because that will create a good resolution. One person is upset because of how he is treated and you pull out the thesaurus to make everyone here feel dumb. Trust me I get the idea of having people solve problems without any disparaging comments however this dude has turned HORDE against him because he went on the attack after he was offered help to whine about how unfair the null sec economy is because what a surprise it is a cut throat thing to supply people. |
Flaming Butterfly
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4
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Posted - 2017.06.08 05:37:43 -
[105] - Quote
How will the best newbean corporation in EVE handle your attacks against them. The same way they handled it on the forums but with much more laughter. You gave me a reason to leave my home of reddit just to post a response so I guess you should be proud of yourself for that. |
Vladimir's Revenge
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
8
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Posted - 2017.06.08 06:58:01 -
[106] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:@Anthur Nakarkos
The picture he portrays is neither ideal or horrid of your group from my understanding though I'm hesistant to join your alliance due to the nature of how you are handling the original poster, and its evident he is willing to negoatiate even under the onslaught of criticism for expressing his dissatisfaction. On the other end of the spectrum, @Starterrorprime, it seems you are trying to accomplish a goal of sorts by creating this thread, so might I suggest the both of you compromise regarding this matter. Starterrorprime wishes to acquire 500 million ISK, and Anthur, you wish for him to cease his efforts to hinder recruitment, so here is my solution, you pay Starterrorprime the ISK to write a fair review of your corporation and rescend his prior statements while ceasing his media attacks. If you two manage to settle this diplomatically, I will be more than inclined to join the Pandemic Horde Anthur, and purchase whatever sell contract Star insists on flooding my inbox with, it is idiotic that you two cannot settle this matter.
Obvious alt is obvious.
On the off chance you are not actually a Star alt, **** off. If you actually think one idiot's post on a forum most new players don't even read is actually going to affect recruitment, then you are smoking some strong stuff. |
Flaming Butterfly
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
5
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Posted - 2017.06.08 08:13:22 -
[107] - Quote
So son let me describe politely why you should not of called out a whole alliance, that turns everyone in that alliance against you since it is their home and their EVE family. The better action would have been for you to keep the complaining on the forums to at least save you some face instead you jumped face first into a metal fan and seem to be lost at why it hurts.
I hope one day you will find a corp that can handle your constant bitching. |
Wanda Fayne
642
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Posted - 2017.06.08 13:57:44 -
[108] - Quote
jack1974 wrote:1. Horde is Recruiting
I approve of this unconventional recruitment thread
"your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang-
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"hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery" -Ralph King-Griffin-
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Cake Apple
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
11
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Posted - 2017.06.08 15:13:08 -
[109] - Quote
Why isn't this on reddit yet? Step up your game OP. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/ there I linked it in-case you don't know |
StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
2
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Posted - 2017.06.08 15:59:34 -
[110] - Quote
Flaming Butterfly wrote:So son let me describe politely why you should not of called out a whole alliance, that turns everyone in that alliance against you since it is their home and their EVE family. The better action would have been for you to keep the complaining on the forums to at least save you some face instead you jumped face first into a metal fan and seem to be lost at why it hurts.
I hope one day you will find a corp that can handle your constant bitching.
If you want to prove me wrong, show me you can make the top on CCP's monthly economic report in mining and production, and come crawling out of nullspace to Hunt me down because I will gladly accept a war declaration from the horde. Show me how far your influence goes out towards instead of cowering behind the gates of the pure blind, show me that your newbeans can handle operating far from home base without suckling on the infected teat of your alliance, because I would love to see decent show. As they say, "Come at me Bro", come and send your alphas at my doorstep if they can find it. |
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Saeger1737
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2134
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Posted - 2017.06.08 16:04:49 -
[111] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:Flaming Butterfly wrote:So son let me describe politely why you should not of called out a whole alliance, that turns everyone in that alliance against you since it is their home and their EVE family. The better action would have been for you to keep the complaining on the forums to at least save you some face instead you jumped face first into a metal fan and seem to be lost at why it hurts.
I hope one day you will find a corp that can handle your constant bitching. If you want to prove me wrong, show me you can make the top on CCP's monthly economic report in mining and production, and come crawling out of nullspace to Hunt me down because I will gladly accept a war declaration from the horde. Show me how far your influence goes out towards instead of cowering behind the gates of the pure blind, show me that your newbeans can handle operating far from home base without suckling on the infected teat of your alliance, because I would love to see decent show. As they say, "Come at me Bro", come and send your alphas at my doorstep if they can find it. You want a new bro PvP oriented alliance to mine but to come at you??? Battle Ventures anyone?
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Krato Audanie
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
3
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Posted - 2017.06.08 16:37:17 -
[112] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:If you want to prove me wrong, show me you can make the top on CCP's monthly economic report in mining and production, and come crawling out of nullspace to Hunt me down because I will gladly accept a war declaration from the horde. Show me how far your influence goes out towards instead of cowering behind the gates of the pure blind, show me that your newbeans can handle operating far from home base without suckling on the infected teat of your alliance, because I would love to see decent show. As they say, "Come at me Bro", come and send your alphas at my doorstep if they can find it.
Did it ever come to your mind that maybe we dont WANT to be at the top of the MER?
Also, why should we waste manpower to hunt down a single delusional idiot when we can put it to way better use?
Btw, pooping out a thesaurus on every post doesn't really show how smart you are. I too can wrap my bullshit in thousands of synonyms, but that doesnt make it any less bullshit than it was in the beginning |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
537
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Posted - 2017.06.08 17:22:54 -
[113] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:Flaming Butterfly wrote:So son let me describe politely why you should not of called out a whole alliance, that turns everyone in that alliance against you since it is their home and their EVE family. The better action would have been for you to keep the complaining on the forums to at least save you some face instead you jumped face first into a metal fan and seem to be lost at why it hurts.
I hope one day you will find a corp that can handle your constant bitching. If you want to prove me wrong, show me you can make the top on CCP's monthly economic report in mining and production, and come crawling out of nullspace to Hunt me down because I will gladly accept a war declaration from the horde. Show me how far your influence goes out towards instead of cowering behind the gates of the pure blind, show me that your newbeans can handle operating far from home base without suckling on the infected teat of your alliance, because I would love to see decent show. As they say, "Come at me Bro", come and send your alphas at my doorstep if they can find it. #1: Goons are twice as big as us and they're much bigger krabs. No one is out-mining Delve anytime soon. #2: We're a PvP corp. Industry is not our focus. We support it because it makes Hordelings money and provides cheaper stuff, but there's really no reason for us to want to top the MER. #3: You're not worth hunting down (especially with the crap that is locator agents nowadays).
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Flaming Butterfly
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
7
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Posted - 2017.06.08 18:24:18 -
[114] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:Flaming Butterfly wrote:So son let me describe politely why you should not of called out a whole alliance, that turns everyone in that alliance against you since it is their home and their EVE family. The better action would have been for you to keep the complaining on the forums to at least save you some face instead you jumped face first into a metal fan and seem to be lost at why it hurts.
I hope one day you will find a corp that can handle your constant bitching. If you want to prove me wrong, show me you can make the top on CCP's monthly economic report in mining and production, and come crawling out of nullspace to Hunt me down because I will gladly accept a war declaration from the horde. Show me how far your influence goes out towards instead of cowering behind the gates of the pure blind, show me that your newbeans can handle operating far from home base without suckling on the infected teat of your alliance, because I would love to see decent show. As they say, "Come at me Bro", come and send your alphas at my doorstep if they can find it.
I can tell that while you can use fancy words you can't seem to read what alliance people are part of. I can say that HORDE is a bit more pvp focused and while you may dream of having a reason to actually ***** because the big bad horde decided to do a war dec on you that would be a waste of time.
Just join a mining corp and stay there, at least then you could complain about pvp and no one would have the knowledge to argue with you. |
Flaming Butterfly
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
7
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Posted - 2017.06.08 18:25:47 -
[115] - Quote
I can tell that while you can use fancy words you can't seem to read what alliance people are part of (hint the spot to see what corporation and alliance someone is in happens to be underneath their portrait). I can say that HORDE is a bit more pvp focused and while you may dream of having a reason to actually complain because the big bad horde decided to do a war dec on you that would be a waste of time.
Just join a mining corp and stay there, at least then you could complain about pvp and no one would have the knowledge to argue with you.[/quote] |
StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
2
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Posted - 2017.06.08 20:31:06 -
[116] - Quote
Flaming Butterfly wrote:I can tell that while you can use fancy words you can't seem to read what alliance people are part of (hint the spot to see what corporation and alliance someone is in happens to be underneath their portrait). I can say that HORDE is a bit more pvp focused and while you may dream of having a reason to actually complain because the big bad horde decided to do a war dec on you that would be a waste of time.
Just join a mining corp and stay there, at least then you could complain about pvp and no one would have the knowledge to argue with you.
On a proper note, thats something that should be stated beforehand on your corporate profile |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
538
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Posted - 2017.06.08 20:41:40 -
[117] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:Flaming Butterfly wrote:I can tell that while you can use fancy words you can't seem to read what alliance people are part of (hint the spot to see what corporation and alliance someone is in happens to be underneath their portrait). I can say that HORDE is a bit more pvp focused and while you may dream of having a reason to actually complain because the big bad horde decided to do a war dec on you that would be a waste of time.
Just join a mining corp and stay there, at least then you could complain about pvp and no one would have the knowledge to argue with you. On a proper note, thats something that should be stated beforehand on your corporate profile It's not our fault you asked 0 questions and basically did no research at all.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Averyl
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
8
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Posted - 2017.06.08 20:52:59 -
[118] - Quote
Quote:On a proper note, thats something that should be stated beforehand on your corporate profile
Thats the entire purpose of talking to the recruiters and asking good questions in the recruitment channel. If you didn't ask good pointed questions about something other than mining/industry then that's not our lookout.
It's a nullsec alliance, PvP is a given. It's the only way to hold sov... You can't do it with mining barges. |
Flaming Butterfly
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
7
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Posted - 2017.06.08 21:24:18 -
[119] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:Flaming Butterfly wrote:I can tell that while you can use fancy words you can't seem to read what alliance people are part of (hint the spot to see what corporation and alliance someone is in happens to be underneath their portrait). I can say that HORDE is a bit more pvp focused and while you may dream of having a reason to actually complain because the big bad horde decided to do a war dec on you that would be a waste of time.
Just join a mining corp and stay there, at least then you could complain about pvp and no one would have the knowledge to argue with you. On a proper note, thats something that should be stated beforehand on your corporate profile
It is given on the left hand side underneath players names as well as being listed on my profile. I assumed that you could at least read but it seems that I was wrong. |
Radious Servasse
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
102
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Posted - 2017.06.08 22:14:15 -
[120] - Quote
Averyl wrote:Quote:On a proper note, thats something that should be stated beforehand on your corporate profile Thats the entire purpose of talking to the recruiters and asking good questions in the recruitment channel. If you didn't ask good pointed questions about something other than mining/industry then that's not our lookout. It's a nullsec alliance, PvP is a given. It's the only way to hold sov... You can't do it with mining barges.
Whaddya mean? Battle Proc fleet FTW!!!
On a serious note, I don't think anyone can teach OP how to research. MER is basically a nice way to illuminate your region for fleets to come and raid in my own humble opinion. |
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Sakaar Sukarala
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.06.09 04:28:07 -
[121] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:[quote=Averyl][quote=Jonah Gravenstein]The OP's economic analysis is missing graphs.
@Sakaar Sukural
Incorrect, Several miners wanted me to pay them according to Jita SELL price versus my offer of paying according to Jita Buy price which is fair price across Empire Space regardless as I've used Jita buy price before with great success in other regions. Most of them complained about a very small marginal 1% to 2% difference due to the fact that Jita's prices fluctuate based on the fact there is literally 500+ players in Jita at any given time creating buy and sell orders. If Horde Miners refuse to honor a standard Forge rate buy order contract, that is a sign that I'm not going to be able to produce anything with a 10%<15% profit margin without my expenditures exceeding my expected sale gross, a factor in which contributed to my decision in leaving Horde. Not to mention a lot of other Horde industrialists whose names I won't reveal will agree that being strongarmed into paying Jita Sell price is nonsensical and considerably a **** move. Said miners even stated they would rather ship their compressed ores to Jita because of the Sell prices, effectively outsourcing their time and labor to anyone except the alliance itself, instead of selling it locally.
This is simply not true at all. I would know because I was there and have the chat log to prove it. You were arguing with me about it. You refused to pay Jita BUY for the minerals and you wanted them delivered....to make things we give out for free. You tried to threaten me with the directors for refusing to sell to you at the price you demanded. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2017.06.10 06:09:46 -
[122] - Quote
This slowly becomes a threadnaught.
It's a quite good advertisment/recruitment thread for Pandemic Horde.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Kayanarka
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
5
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Posted - 2017.06.13 13:05:40 -
[123] - Quote
I too have found it difficult to make isk in horde. You have to like, log in, and-ábe productive and stuff.-á
-á
I have also found it really hard to keep my killboard green. You have to like, actually look at the screen long enough for a ping to happen, and that can take up to like 15 minutes, who has this time.
-á
I would say the solution would be to hand me isk and kills, but I am not sure if this would be psychologically healthy for me, so I will continue to deal with the horribly unorganized chaos.
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StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
2
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Posted - 2017.06.15 05:42:32 -
[124] - Quote
Kayanarka wrote:I too have found it difficult to make isk in horde. You have to like, log in, and-ábe productive and stuff.-á
-á
I have also found it really hard to keep my killboard green. You have to like, actually look at the screen long enough for a ping to happen, and that can take up to like 15 minutes, who has this time.
-á
I would say the solution would be to hand me isk and kills, but I am not sure if this would be psychologically healthy for me, so I will continue to deal with the horribly unorganized chaos.
I feel it be productive and try to understand where im coming from, just to keep a long story short, It was not advantagous to engage in industry in Hordespace because of the cost of minerals with the only primary boon to it was the dedicated facilities which are a given elsewhere since a Raitaru and Azbel are popular complexes, and salvaging is meh when everyone else and their mother is already picking wrecks apart. Sure, I understand some horde miners are carebears that want to buy tons of PLEX so they compressed all the ore they can, ship it to jita, trying profit all the way out in likely one of the less desireable areas of nullsec on the edge of Gallente-Caldari space. Much less using jump freighter to import anything remotely useful like Level 2-3 ship modules trying to get your money back as quick as possible, considering most pilots that do are already likely a few billion isk in the hole, insurance included. Sure, there was some ratting to be had which was decent money but im not sit on my effing laurels waiting for Goons or some other bandits to pop up every now and then, and by the time i get ready to bop them, there already picking the corpses clean. Its just not the best environment to be truthful, especially with how your directors/seniors handled it, and their pathetic responses because I personally respond to action.
P.S. Also, I did manged to sell a line of vigils and Tormentors but by that point i lost too much money to continue producing |
Kayanarka
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
8
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Posted - 2017.06.17 20:57:05 -
[125] - Quote
StarterrorPrime wrote:Kayanarka wrote:I too have found it difficult to make isk in horde. You have to like, log in, and-ábe productive and stuff.-á
-á
I have also found it really hard to keep my killboard green. You have to like, actually look at the screen long enough for a ping to happen, and that can take up to like 15 minutes, who has this time.
-á
I would say the solution would be to hand me isk and kills, but I am not sure if this would be psychologically healthy for me, so I will continue to deal with the horribly unorganized chaos.
I feel it be productive and try to understand where im coming from, just to keep a long story short, It was not advantagous to engage in industry in Hordespace because of the cost of minerals with the only primary boon to it was the dedicated facilities which are a given elsewhere since a Raitaru and Azbel are popular complexes, and salvaging is meh when everyone else and their mother is already picking wrecks apart. Sure, I understand some horde miners are carebears that want to buy tons of PLEX so they compressed all the ore they can, ship it to jita, trying profit all the way out in likely one of the less desireable areas of nullsec on the edge of Gallente-Caldari space. Much less using jump freighter to import anything remotely useful like Level 2-3 ship modules trying to get your money back as quick as possible, considering most pilots that do are already likely a few billion isk in the hole, insurance included. Sure, there was some ratting to be had which was decent money but im not sit on my effing laurels waiting for Goons or some other bandits to pop up every now and then, and by the time i get ready to bop them, there already picking the corpses clean. Its just not the best environment to be truthful, especially with how your directors/seniors handled it, and their pathetic responses because I personally respond to action. P.S. Also, I did manged to sell a line of vigils and Tormentors but by that point i lost too much money to continue producing
No I can totally understand how you walk into a 13 year old MMOG harvesting level 1 mats manufacturing newbie gear and expect to make end game money, shame you fell into two **** alliances out of the gate. I am sure your next alliance will be great. |
Merias Tylar al-Akhwa
Viziam Amarr Empire
159
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Posted - 2017.06.18 00:48:55 -
[126] - Quote
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:
The more the original poster speaks, the more deterred I am to placing Pandemic Horde amongst my roster of Alliance canidates unless any of those present have the evidence to refute his claims with the nessecary data. His experience shared is quite indicative of what sort of behavior I'd expect out of its alliance members, much less the responses to his expression of his dissatisfaction en lieu of a mature calculated response is disheartening. Verbally attacking him for voicing his opinions on the status of a corporation's welfare alone is childish, as both parties are entitled to their viewpoints, but the inability to treat this matter with the proper diplomacy disgusts me.
Upon reading his in-game biography, It appears a logical solution to end his tirade would to be to bribe him with something of value, as he proclaims to be a pirate. Can someone please buy his silence? It seems he intends to gain something by assualting Pandemic Horde's reputation or at least fulfill an agenda. I fear he won't cease unless he gets whatever he's after, or continue his efforts beyond this point, because the level of idiocracy on the behalf of both parties is acinine.
It is just so adorable how clever you think you are. Stop the sock puppet action, we know this is you OP. The horrible grammar and thesaurus vomit made that very clear within your first three posts from this account. |
Saeger1737
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2220
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Posted - 2017.06.18 03:35:45 -
[127] - Quote
So you join test alliance after all this complaining about crap and they are just 4x worse.... I wait the the test sucks thread in a week...
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
74
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Posted - 2017.06.27 16:14:20 -
[128] - Quote
This thread reminded me of an old saying I used to like.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Might be something for the OP to consider before starting their next thread.
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
557
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Posted - 2017.06.27 16:17:02 -
[129] - Quote
William Ormono wrote:This thread reminded me of an old saying I used to like.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Might be something for the OP to consider before starting their next thread.
Too late. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=523070&find=unread
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
4111
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Posted - 2017.06.29 11:08:58 -
[130] - Quote
haha you look like Paquito
Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
Calm down miner.
As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they
would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
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