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Dagg Gengod
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.20 21:22:59 -
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Dear CCP, you are doing it wrong,
We have TWO currency systems in game now, and we dont know situation is intended or not.
First - ISK - used to interact with NPC and official market place
Second - PLEX - used to interact with CCP, other players, non official marketplace (trading, contracts) - The new currency in game.
We are observing that PLEX displaces ISK in game, that means much more ISK is exchanged to PLEX immediately because PLEX have better rate of return than all other things in game. You should examine situation better, maybe rollback PLEX changes and do research about better iteration. Maybe you should remove ISK or PLEX, or return to old P.L.EX.
Small summary: Primary currency-> PLEX > ISK because:
Inflation Rate of return SKIN's -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP) P2P -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP) Extractors/Injectors/Skills -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP and other players) CHARACTER TRADING -> PLEX > ISK (interaction with CCP and other players) Trading ships - subcaps -> ISK > PLEX Trading ships caps -> PLEX > ISK Official marketplace -> ISK Manufacturing -> ISK Bills (corp, alliance) -> ISK PI -> ISK and many more...
We are so sad because E.V.E. is our second life, and we hate view in our mind that we can see how all this is dying.
We want speak about this issue, we want participate in repair program. We know that balancing game is fast method to check situation, but without negotiations with players that will not work.
i love EVE as you do, so make it our better world MT |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11445
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Posted - 2017.06.20 21:29:00 -
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Dagg Gengod wrote: We are so sad because E.V.E. is our second life, and we hate view in our mind that we can see how all this is dying. We want speak about this issue, we want participate in repair program. We know that balancing game is fast method to check situation, but without negotiations with players that will not work.
We?
I hope you are not including me in that.
Mr Epeen |
Dagg Gengod
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.06.20 21:37:49 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:]We? I hope you are not including me in that. Mr Epeen
Move along, nothing to see here - if you are not interested.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1247
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Posted - 2017.06.20 21:47:41 -
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What the hell did I just read? And, furthermore, why am I being included as an accomplice?
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1934
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Posted - 2017.06.20 21:55:19 -
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So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.
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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
275
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Posted - 2017.06.20 22:07:21 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?
Well i think OP forgets that aurum was a thing before the new plex system, changing back to the old system won't actually change anything as people bought them the same as they do now |
Ebony Texas
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
40
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Posted - 2017.06.20 23:55:55 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?
I want my darn Aurum brought over from DUST514 since ccp screwed everyone that actually played and gave hope for that failure.
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Dotaros Kolar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2017.06.21 08:39:16 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?
No....
You should go back to pre-Alph,pre FTP times....
This would be the best choice..... |
Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
85
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Posted - 2017.06.21 12:54:52 -
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I like how in the posts how "we" and "you" is used. There were 3 currencies, now there are 2. That's better than it was before. |
ModusOperandi
Celestial Geologics Mineral Concern
31
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Posted - 2017.06.21 21:57:19 -
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I stopped taking the game seriously after PLEX and skill injectors etc.
Yes I still sub and play, but I am done pouring any real effort into it. It is just a cheap waste of time now.
I introduced a friend to the game recently, he dropped a ton of cash, and overnight had a character that outskilled me after 10+ years of playing. Do I really care? not in the grand scheme of things, but it IS very disheartening, and it makes me not care anymore. It takes something that had meaning, and makes a joke of it. That's what bothers me.
But I guess CCP got their money, and that's the important thing. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28466
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Posted - 2017.06.21 22:45:55 -
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Aedaxus wrote:I like how in the posts how "we" and "you" is used.
Abrazzar wrote:It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
New Player FAQ
Feyd's Survival Pack
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6724
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Posted - 2017.06.21 22:45:58 -
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Dagg Gengod wrote:Dear CCP, you are doing it wrong,
We have TWO currency systems in game now, and we dont know situation is intended or not.
First - ISK - used to interact with NPC and official market place
Second - PLEX - used to interact with CCP, other players, non official marketplace (trading, contracts) - The new currency in game.
We are observing that PLEX displaces ISK in game, that means much more ISK is exchanged to PLEX immediately because PLEX have better rate of return than all other things in game. You should examine situation better, maybe rollback PLEX changes and do research about better iteration. Maybe you should remove ISK or PLEX, or return to old P.L.EX.
Small summary: Primary currency-> PLEX > ISK because:
Inflation Rate of return SKIN's -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP) P2P -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP) Extractors/Injectors/Skills -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP and other players) CHARACTER TRADING -> PLEX > ISK (interaction with CCP and other players) Trading ships - subcaps -> ISK > PLEX Trading ships caps -> PLEX > ISK Official marketplace -> ISK Manufacturing -> ISK Bills (corp, alliance) -> ISK PI -> ISK and many more...
We are so sad because E.V.E. is our "second life", and we hate view in our mind that we can see how all this is dying.
We want speak about this issue, we want participate in repair program. We know that balancing game is fast method to check situation, but without negotiations with players that will not work.
i love EVE as you do, so make it our better world MT
Not exactly what your concern is here...some sort of Gresham's law argument?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Rain6637
NulzSec
35119
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Posted - 2017.06.21 23:25:10 -
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test
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Helene Fidard
ctrl-q
61
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Posted - 2017.06.21 23:53:55 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done? realistically we did not have three currencies before May: aurum could not be traded and was therefore not a currency, plex was not granular or easy to move, making it more like bullion
Hey! I don't know about you
but I'm joining CTRL-Q
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1899
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Posted - 2017.06.22 04:41:13 -
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ModusOperandi wrote:... I introduced a friend to the game recently, he dropped a ton of cash, and overnight had a character that outskilled me after 10+ years of playing. Do I really care? not in the grand scheme of things, but it IS very disheartening, and it makes me not care anymore. It takes something that had meaning, and makes a joke of it. That's what bothers me.....
Bolded the crucial bit. The real joke is that you thought progression in a computer game had meaning. This -probably fictional- friend you mentioned cannot buy the knowledge or connections you should have accumulated during ten years of play, cannot be given them. For such an ostensibly hyper-capitalistic game, EvE sure shows how social connections are more important than (and the best way to get to) money and power.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Omar Alharazaad
Dissidence Dawn The-Culture
3500
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Posted - 2017.06.22 09:35:11 -
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nothing wrong with plexed up injector junkie newbies. I mean, they just got their learner's permits so it should be fine for them to get behind the wheel of a formula one race car. Nothing could possibly go wrong for them.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2017.06.22 09:43:47 -
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Listen up you peasants, all of you....
Implement real money system. Screw isk, let's make this for real. Get your credit cards now, all you do in-game has now REAL LIFE VALUE, yes real life value, I am not talking about the misinterpretation of real life value that most of you that failed statistics class have, I am talking about EVERYTHING YOU DO IN-GAME, you need to do using real life money.
So, that would be the simplest solution.
But yeah I forgot, most of you won't do it because you are afraid to lose money, yes, real money, not the unreal money (that you all believe is real money) each time some idiot loses a titan. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
583
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Posted - 2017.06.22 10:06:50 -
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Helene Fidard wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done? realistically we did not have three currencies before May: aurum could not be traded and was therefore not a currency, plex was not granular or easy to move, making it more like bullion
You could turn PLEX into Aurum, and there were old Aurum-tokens left you could trade on the market. So while trading Aurum was indirect, it did exist. |
Dotar Sojat
Appetite 4 Destruction Appetite 4 Destruction.
0
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Posted - 2017.06.22 23:41:22 -
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I've been playing this game off and on since 2003 I've seen some stuff let me tell you. Back in the day you could be banned for selling isk, it was a huge deal. Then CCP started selling isk itself in the form of plex and that was then totally fine somehow. PLEX should not be sold for real world currency, it allows the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox. I look with great disdain on anyone who uses real world currency to further their position in the EVE universe, always have, always will. If you buy plex to sell on the market for isk you are weak and in no way have earned what you have in the game, I for one am not impressed by your shiny. Skill injectors, skill extractors, multiple pilot training certificates (which should be standard), the list goes on it seems without limit or compunction for squeezing every last cent out of the loyal subscribers....SMGDH
/end rant
Carry On. |
Krysenth
Saints Of Havoc Rate My Ticks
26
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Posted - 2017.06.23 00:47:20 -
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Dotar Sojat wrote: the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox. So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing. |
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Dotar Sojat
Appetite 4 Destruction Appetite 4 Destruction.
0
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Posted - 2017.06.23 01:13:37 -
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Krysenth wrote:Dotar Sojat wrote: the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox. So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing. Of course not, don't be silly. But since you brought it up, there was a time when plexing up each month actually meant something,you strove to achieve your goals utilizing strictly in game tools and if you were successful you could purchase a plex and sub your account by succeeding within the sandbox, you won that month through your acumen of endeavors, as it should be and never by cheating by doing things like buying isk. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6728
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Posted - 2017.06.23 19:25:30 -
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Krysenth wrote:Dotar Sojat wrote: the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox. So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing.
Whoops!
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6728
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Posted - 2017.06.23 19:26:33 -
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Dotar Sojat wrote:Krysenth wrote:Dotar Sojat wrote: the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox. So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing. Of course not, don't be silly. But since you brought it up, there was a time when plexing up each month actually meant something,you strove to achieve your goals utilizing strictly in game tools and if you were successful you could purchase a plex and sub your account by succeeding within the sandbox, you won that month through your acumen of endeavors, as it should be and never by cheating by doing things like buying isk.
Can we say: retropection bias?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11469
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Posted - 2017.06.23 21:52:43 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dotar Sojat wrote:Krysenth wrote:Dotar Sojat wrote: the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox. So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing. Of course not, don't be silly. But since you brought it up, there was a time when plexing up each month actually meant something,you strove to achieve your goals utilizing strictly in game tools and if you were successful you could purchase a plex and sub your account by succeeding within the sandbox, you won that month through your acumen of endeavors, as it should be and never by cheating by doing things like buying isk. Can we say: retropection bias? How's this for retrospection bias:
I remember when there was no PLEX and I liked it way better than what we have today.
Mr Epeen
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Aeryn Maricadie
Serious About Space Things. Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2017.06.23 21:53:41 -
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Dotar Sojat wrote:Krysenth wrote:Dotar Sojat wrote: the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox. So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing. Of course not, don't be silly. But since you brought it up, there was a time when plexing up each month actually meant something,you strove to achieve your goals utilizing strictly in game tools and if you were successful you could purchase a plex and sub your account by succeeding within the sandbox, you won that month through your acumen of endeavors, as it should be and never by cheating by doing things like buying isk. I never understood this concept, why spend craptons of your time grinding isk to buy your sub when you could just buy it with real money which is earned with far less time investment? I think that a lot of people don't understand what a currency is. Currency is a representation of value but does not hold any value of its own. The value that currency measures is time, because our time is the most precious thing we have, that we always lose, and will never regain. Our recognition of this can be seen by how people breakdown earnings by units of currency/per hour.
The USD or ISK that buys a Plex is currency. USD and ISK have no other purpose than to represent value, they do not have value on their own. Plex on the other hand is a commodity, its value is derived from its use, just because some people may conduct trade with plex instead of currency does not make plex a currency. |
Hal Morsh
Beyond New Frontier The Amish Mafia
611
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Posted - 2017.06.23 22:42:51 -
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There's more salt here than a bag of lays classic potato chips.
If you like salt, you'll probably like lays.
Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh GÇö a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroismGǪ qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
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ModusOperandi
Celestial Geologics Mineral Concern
36
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Posted - 2017.06.24 01:04:01 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:ModusOperandi wrote:... I introduced a friend to the game recently, he dropped a ton of cash, and overnight had a character that outskilled me after 10+ years of playing. Do I really care? not in the grand scheme of things, but it IS very disheartening, and it makes me not care anymore. It takes something that had meaning, and makes a joke of it. That's what bothers me..... Bolded the crucial bit. The real joke is that you thought progression in a computer game had meaning. This -probably fictional- friend you mentioned cannot buy the knowledge or connections you should have accumulated during ten years of play, cannot be given them. For such an ostensibly hyper-capitalistic game, EvE sure shows how social connections are more important than (and the best way to get to) money and power. Of course I am referring "meaning" in the context of a video game. I currently work in Afghanistan, trust me, I have more important things on my mind than EVE. However, within the context of the game, it does have the affect of cheapening something that was once earned.
And of course you are correct that he lacks the experience to put his new skills to proper use, but any halfway intelligent person can learn those things fairly quickly. This game is not THAT hard.
And I don't know why you would suggest that I made up such a story, it's quite common for adults with disposable income to do exactly what I described. |
Raffael Ramirez
Alcohol Fuelled
80
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Posted - 2017.06.26 06:32:30 -
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Yeah I really believe that making everything for sale also made it meaningless. PLEX and then the Skill extractors/injectors is another way to squeeze the last $ out of the TQ server population. As someone said before - why spend time in EVE making money when you can make more money in the real world and so finance your time in EVE - this leads to less time spent online - less player interaction- general apathy. Why bother doing something if whoever has more RL cash always wins?
Sure you need some skills to play the game and be good at it but to be honest skill doesn't matter when you can field 20-100, 40 day old carrier pilots. Problem in EVE always was that it scales up really well.
But to operate a game like EVE for so long with success probably needs radical changes to attract new customers. I am under no illusion that the hardcore group of players this game started with could not have financed the rise of CCP as we have seen it, but the opposite is also true. I don't believe that the vast majority of the players today would even be interested in playing the first couple of iterations of EVE.
EVE is always changing that was true from the beginning - not everything was positive in my opinion but that this game survived for this long is a testament to its success.
Long may it last.
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Krima Sumyungi
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2017.07.12 11:15:16 -
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There should only be one ingame currency and that's ISK. Subs, injectors and other store crap, etc should be bought with paypal/credit card. Leave the welfare and food stamps for other games to use. |
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