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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite
A weeks worth of casual ratting would net me enough for about 20 fully t2 fitted BS's *
Riiiiiight...
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Herculite on 06/06/2007 21:37:19
Originally by: Grim Faust
Riiiiiight...
If you count, minerals, faction drops, salvage and bounties, I made about 1.2 billion in my last carebear week, and I work 8-5, plus have other obligations. Now my skill set in EvE happens to make me pretty much an optimal for ratting, and I know I'm a bit better than most at maximizing cash, but still, thats pretty realistic for me.
Now a T2 bs I'm counting at being 60 million these days, 30 for fittings and 30 for insurance. That works out to 20 BS's. Thats just going by empire, if your alliance/corp has any programs it should be even cheaper.
Really even having a level 4 mission running set up in empire, should net you enough to have a few new BS's a weekend.
ISK isn't why ASCN died, I doubt ISK was D2's problem either. ISK making is easy, its the spending it that some people have a problem with.
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Faust on 06/06/2007 21:55:09
Originally by: Herculite Edited by: Herculite on 06/06/2007 21:37:19
Originally by: Grim Faust
Riiiiiight...
If you count, minerals, faction drops, salvage and bounties, I made about 1.2 billion in my last carebear week, and I work 8-5, plus have other obligations. Now my skill set in EvE happens to make me pretty much an optimal for ratting, and I know I'm a bit better than most at maximizing cash, but still, thats pretty realistic for me.
Now a T2 bs I'm counting at being 60 million these days, 30 for fittings and 30 for insurance. That works out to 20 BS's. Thats just going by empire, if your alliance/corp has any programs it should be even cheaper.
Really even having a level 4 mission running set up in empire, should net you enough to have a few new BS's a weekend.
ISK isn't why ASCN died, I doubt ISK was D2's problem either. ISK making is easy, its the spending it that some people have a problem with.
It may not make a difference for some groups of people who don't know how to manage things. However for those that do but have less in terms of resources it means everything because they know that good intentions don't win wars. So like I said, what it boils down to is who has more ships to keep throwing at the enemy.
You keep redirecting to the past of losers though and defining what I say as untrue around people who lost and didn't have the right idea. That's great, but it holds no water when you look at people who do have a will to fight and do so vigorously. BoB is not the only determined set of people out there, but they more than likely were of the first to capitolize on this and it's why BoB can hold it's power over others with relative ease. Especially in cases where perfectly able and determined people form but get smashed by greater groupings of people. Once again, why do they lose? You can be determined to win, but you still can't do so without the right tools and especially not when the enemies sheer gathering of said tools are larger than yours.
If you held half of BoB on one side of the field and then half of BoB on the other side who would win? Certainly no one would win because according to you guys, heart is all you need. Seriously though, when you pit determination vs determination it's always going to be the guy with more ships. That would be a successful and great war and one that this game has seemingly been lacking except a few instances here and there. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =( |
Liam Galagher
Savey
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Posted - 2007.06.06 22:02:00 -
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actually what iam thinking of is: (even if its noobish) bob vs aaa/ra/gs kill eachother off - so as a result new era in eve starts....where more new, younger corps/alliances move into a freed space.
but does not seem likely to happen... _________________________________________
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Liam Galagher actually what iam thinking of is: (even if its noobish) bob vs aaa/ra/gs kill eachother off - so as a result new era in eve starts....where more new, younger corps/alliances move into a freed space.
but does not seem likely to happen...
Alliances may be killed off, but the people will mostly remain in EVE. And usually, they'll align up again in new alliances more or less along the same conflict lines.... The more things change, the more they stay the same...
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Liam Galagher
Savey
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Posted - 2007.06.06 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tzrailasa
Originally by: Liam Galagher actually what iam thinking of is: (even if its noobish) bob vs aaa/ra/gs kill eachother off - so as a result new era in eve starts....where more new, younger corps/alliances move into a freed space.
but does not seem likely to happen...
Alliances may be killed off, but the people will mostly remain in EVE. And usually, they'll align up again in new alliances more or less along the same conflict lines.... The more things change, the more they stay the same...
only the future will tell... _________________________________________
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Minigin
Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 22:57:00 -
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I think its too late for us. The only way BoB will fall is if they make a catastrophic mistake themselves.
Too few answered ASCN's call and later "The Coalition's"
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 23:48:00 -
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You should be the change that you want to see in the world.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always.
Whenever you are confronted with an opponent, conquer him with love.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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Cattraknoff
Caldari Black Lance NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 00:24:00 -
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The way to beat BoB is to wtfpwn them on the forums with 50 threads per day. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Fedaykinn
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.07 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Fedaykinn on 07/06/2007 00:47:21 The op does have a point you know.. I mean look at EVE in china, there was a north versus south war, the north eventually won owned all of 0.0 space and everyone left lol and now they peak at about 4K users instead of what used to be 15k-20k every night
If a alliance does ever eventually own all of 0.0 space and everyone runs out of determination to fight back everyone will leave.
Im not saying BOB will acheive this im just saying what will happen if they (or anyone else) does
For now though im just gonna keep pirating and stay out of 0.0 polotics :). Best way to be
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Admus
Mobius Construct Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.07 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 05/06/2007 13:26:49 What you need to do is take the time and build a corp and alliance with better leadership, better fc's and better members and then go head to head. There's no easy fix, it takes time and dedication.
Just ******* do it instead of talking about it on the forums. None of the people that are actually trying are likely to take advice from forum monkeys and armchair generals anyway.
Ah, wisdom. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way." |
Adm Tecumseh
Caldari Frequently Asked Questions
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 07/06/2007 01:04:16
Originally by: Larsson7 It is actually very easy.
(1) Build a train (2) Fill train with assortment of pvpers (3) Remove train brakes (4) Set autopilot to NOL
Voila, you arrive in NOL and crush the ebil BoB.
Oh wait.....
This post wins thread.
mmmkay
Adm
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.07 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cattraknoff The way to beat BoB is to wtfpwn them on the forums with 50 threads per day.
Yes... That DOES seem to be the common perception, doesn't it?
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The Tumaril
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.07 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Ralara
Originally by: Scum Killer Edited by: Scum Killer on 05/06/2007 12:08:19 Until recently I have been doing carebear stuff. Before that I been in several alliances and found the organisation to be poor with minimal goals and most of the leaders seem to be more interested in their own little piece of the Eve pie than any bigger picture.
The only alliance that has been achieving anything long lasting is of course Bob
Red Alliance?
Fix?
Mercenary Coalition?
2 of the 3 are confirmed BoB pets, of course they'll have something long standing.....your point?
lmao, can't believe you just called MC pets lol. sniff...sniff you smell something? Smells like Seleene writing up a new contract Go fight one of these so called pets and see what happens. At least we in BoB give kudos to alliances that are decent, even hostile ones, the rest of you pansies just whine and moan and b!tch about those who are your betters. Props to the few in the coalition that fight, no props to the rest of you. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] |
Disima Santet
Minmatar Aziam
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 What you need to do is take the time and build a corp and alliance with better leadership, better fc's and better members and then go head to head. There's no easy fix, it takes time and dedication.
And spies, don't forget the spies.
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Disima Santet
Minmatar Aziam
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari The way you halt BoB is by not posting "ZOMG BOB HAS WON" or "ZOMG BOB IS GOING TO WIN" or "ZOMG HOW WE STOP BOB" threads every couple of hours and instead actually play the game.
QFT
When this war unfolded out in the open BoB members were not posting in CAOD for quite some time while Coalition members busied themselves creating these long threads of really not much substance. The time that they have spent blabbering here on the forum BoB members have spent actually playing the game.
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Tyrus Ex
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Fedaykinn The op does have a point you know.. I mean look at EVE in china, there was a north versus south war, the north eventually won owned all of 0.0 space and everyone left lol and now they peak at about 4K users instead of what used to be 15k-20k every night
If you have a solid reference for this, throw it this way please.
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