Pages: 1 2 :: [one page] |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Haas Tabris
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 01:51:00 -
[1]
Ok, someone just made it real clear to me that you will no longer be able to put giant secure cans in a hauler and then put the hauler in a carrier.
What the ****?
CCP, this is how you move materials into and out of 0.0. And we need the GSC's so that we can keep everyone's stuff straight.
This is how it works. You need some t2 gear. You jump clone back to Jita and buy it. You load up one GSC and fly it out to your .3 or .4 departure system (you buy a sigil usually). You then put your name on the can like "Haas to ABC-" and toss it in the restricted hanger that only carrier pilots have access to.
When a carrier pilot makes a run, he picks up 25 or so cans at a shot (or some cans and some ships) and drops them off in your hanger in ABC station.
It's that ****ing clean and easy and now you're taking that away.
For the love of god and eve, why nerf this?
|
Treylis
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 02:00:00 -
[2]
It's a nauseating change and I hope it gets rescinded.
|
MotherMoon
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 02:04:00 -
[3]
well... seeing as using contaners was a round about way to seperate peoples stuff... why not give cargo bays sortable creatable tabs?
I want an ammo folder and a loot folder **** it
|
Gustav Blackknight
Exuro Mortis
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 02:07:00 -
[4]
Edited by: Gustav Blackknight on 15/06/2007 02:06:55 If your only concern is keeping people stuff seperate use corp or private courier contracts. This acutally works better than containers cause it creates a exact size single package (no wasted space), and makes it easy for the person making the delivery to, with just a couple of clicks, return the item back to the correct person.
The main thing this nerfs is the amount of mins or small items that can carried it because you wont be able to use the gsc's to creat more space.
|
William Hamilton
Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 02:09:00 -
[5]
^Exactly, this is what courier contracts are made for.
|
Lore Isander
Caldari Sybrite Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 02:19:00 -
[6]
Since when were Carriers frickin HAULERS?!
Learn to use them properly noobs... ---
|
Lister Black
Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 02:39:00 -
[7]
There's a thread for this exact same discussion where a Dev has already responded to this question in the damn first page of this forum. Jesus. ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink |
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Minmatar Retribution Corp.
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 06:21:00 -
[8]
Originally by: William Hamilton ^Exactly, this is what courier contracts are made for.
Actually courier contracts wont fit inside a hauler in a carrier anymore either. If you test is it gives teh same error as putting a giant secure can inside the hauler.
I would love to be able to do this, but i guess ccp know we would just have everyone courier their secure can and do exactly the same as we do now.
Two changes are needed to this in my opinion:
1. Make GSC unusable in contracts (they have to be repackaged) 2. Make courier contracts usable inside haulers in the ships maintanance bay.
I know i'll loose the ability to conveniently contract stuff from my sorted bases where mods are in cans, but id rather loose that than not being able to sort the stuff in the carrier.
|
Atreides Horza
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 10:08:00 -
[9]
God forbid if the carrier becomes anything more than a well-armed freighter.
God forbid that 0.0 alliances and merchants, who are earning ISK on a scale that few of us could possibly imagine, would have to actually use freighters or convoys and worry about protecting them as the cost of earning half a gazillion a day.
Why not just turn the drone bay into added cargo space?
|
Chronus26
Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 10:24:00 -
[10]
Um hello, 10,000m3 Corp Hanger array? that more] than enough room for A GSC of jump fuel and several neat, tidy courier packages containing corpmates T2 mods from empire. If you can't use courier Contracts, then use small or medium standard cans, its not the end of the world... -----
|
|
Elefant
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:13:00 -
[11]
I personally think 10,000m3 is too little to be honest, I know it's NOT a cargo freighter (which is what a lot in 0.0 get used for) but 10k is tiny - if you are going to keep that limitation then why not have a dedicated 'fuel' compartmnet where carrier (and posssibly liquid ozone) only can be stored.
If you are doing a long jump then you can utilise a LOT of space in fuel storage - it's not always possible to simply dock up and then collect more.
My 2 cents worth
Elefant
|
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 14:18:00 -
[12]
Use a Moros/Revelation with cargo expanders and 3 cargo rigs, then. You can use GSCs in the cargohold if you like and you'll get over 70k m3 even without them. THe drawback is slightly higher fuel consumption and lower jump distance.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Wu Xiang
Prospero Incorperated
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:03:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Wu Xiang on 15/06/2007 15:02:46
Originally by: Lore Isander Since when were Carriers frickin HAULERS?!
Learn to use them properly noobs...
Rich coming from someone with a massive 250points in his Greifwatch sig.
They're also haulers. They are the logistical backbone of any 0.0 entity. The fact we drop gangs of them on each other doesn't mean they can't also be used them for logistical purposes.
You thought the multiple cargo hangers and space was to carry what exactly? They're designed with logistics in mind, just as much as Titans are.
|
Icome4u
Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 15:45:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Lore Isander Since when were Carriers frickin HAULERS?!
Learn to use them properly noobs...
Since people live in 0.0, and have carriers.
Welcome to EVE noob. ______
Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
|
Tonto Auri
Center for Advanced Studies
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 16:14:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Icome4u Since people live in 0.0, and have carriers.
/signed But please keep discussion in one thread. -- . |
chrisreeves
Gallente Asgard Protectorate
|
Posted - 2007.06.15 16:49:00 -
[16]
And now Dreadnoughts are going to be used to haul.
Nice.
Theres a thread around here somewhere by some dashing fellow that found this out in the first place.
Hmm... /me goes to look for his thread to bumpity.
-----------------
Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
"It was empty!!" |
Krugerrand
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2007.06.16 09:14:00 -
[17]
Originally by: chrisreeves And now Dreadnoughts are going to be used to haul.
Nice.
Theres a thread around here somewhere by some dashing fellow that found this out in the first place.
Hmm... /me goes to look for his thread to bumpity.
Dreads used to be the main haulers upon their release (BoB used them a lot) before carriers came out.
Not that I've ever used my dread to move my gear..
|
Haas Tabris
|
Posted - 2007.06.16 17:19:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Lister Black There's a thread for this exact same discussion where a Dev has already responded to this question in the damn first page of this forum. Jesus.
pffft. give me a search forum tool and i will gladly use it. until then, well, we get multiple threads i guess...
|
Lister Black
Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.06.16 18:34:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Haas Tabris
Originally by: Lister Black There's a thread for this exact same discussion where a Dev has already responded to this question in the damn first page of this forum. Jesus.
pffft. give me a search forum tool and i will gladly use it. until then, well, we get multiple threads i guess...
At the time I made that response and the OP made the post, the thread I was referring was one of the first 10 on the Forum, so that's really not an excuse. ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink |
Haas Tabris
|
Posted - 2007.06.18 20:04:00 -
[20]
Well, if it was one page one when i made this new thread, then fine, sue me or call me nasty names or go find me in eve and pod me.
But, if this thread helps the devs understand how we play their own game in time for them to abort this change, then you owe me one.
|
|
Dravun
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
|
Posted - 2007.06.19 00:48:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Gustav Blackknight Edited by: Gustav Blackknight on 15/06/2007 02:06:55 If your only concern is keeping people stuff seperate use corp or private courier contracts. This acutally works better than containers cause it creates a exact size single package (no wasted space), and makes it easy for the person making the delivery to, with just a couple of clicks, return the item back to the correct person.
The main thing this nerfs is the amount of mins or small items that can carried it because you wont be able to use the gsc's to creat more space.
Can't use courier packages either
|
Ozstar
Naughty 40 Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.06.19 18:23:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Lore Isander Since when were Carriers frickin HAULERS?!
Learn to use them properly noobs...
How about a large cup of STFU.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
|
Druadan
Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn
|
Posted - 2007.06.19 18:33:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Haas Tabris CCP, this is how you move materials into and out of 0.0. And we need the GSC's so that we can keep everyone's stuff straight.
Correction, this is how people without Titans move materials in and out of 0.0
This is one of the most useless and downright idiotic changes ever made, and it is discomforting to know that CCP are implementing ideas that obviously come from people who do not know anything about carrier logistics. If the person(s) from whom this idea originated are knowledgeable of carrier logistics, then I really don't want to think about why this change is being implemented, as I tried so hard not to let the dev scandals ruin my enjoyment of this game. This change U-turns on so much of what carriers are about (pro tip: they are logistics ships, and logistics does not mean remote rep, despite CCP's corrected edition of Fowler's Modern English Usage), and just sticks the middle finger right up at anyone without a Titan, while totally reaming the inhabitants of the drone regions.
"A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire |
Thommy
|
Posted - 2007.06.19 18:41:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Ozstar
Originally by: Lore Isander Since when were Carriers frickin HAULERS?! Learn to use them properly noobs...
How about a large cup of STFU.
You obviously meant a giant cup
Anyway the point of this specific nerf is that ccp has found out that to many people use the GSC to their advantage to create more cargohold out of nowhere without any penalty. Not only that they could additionally extend it abit more useing even expanded, fully filled up haulers in their ship hangar. Obviously the extra M3 this created was not what ccp had in mind so they hit it with the big erm giant nerf stick.
Obviously people will find workarrounds (aka revelation / moros?) and very likely if those become the new trend they will recieve the same nerf if it dissatisfies ccp to much.
Think this is one of the few situations where no matter what point of discussion about it made it will just have to happen.
Guide to fix eve problems. Cleanup your cache with my cache tool |
Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross
|
Posted - 2007.06.19 18:49:00 -
[25]
Edited by: Donathan Slade on 19/06/2007 18:47:56 Yes, but by putting items within items your creating virtual space. Its the same reason you can't put small containers in a large containers. Suck it up and deal.
|
Druadan
Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn
|
Posted - 2007.06.19 19:11:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Druadan on 19/06/2007 19:10:41
Originally by: Thommy
Originally by: Ozstar
Originally by: Lore Isander Since when were Carriers frickin HAULERS?! Learn to use them properly noobs...
How about a large cup of STFU.
You obviously meant a giant cup
Anyway the point of this specific nerf is that ccp has found out that to many people use the GSC to their advantage to create more cargohold out of nowhere without any penalty. Not only that they could additionally extend it abit more useing even expanded, fully filled up haulers in their ship hangar. Obviously the extra M3 this created was not what ccp had in mind so they hit it with the big erm giant nerf stick.
Obviously people will find workarrounds (aka revelation / moros?) and very likely if those become the new trend they will recieve the same nerf if it dissatisfies ccp to much.
Think this is one of the few situations where no matter what point of discussion about it made it will just have to happen.
Creating additional space isn't as big a problem. GSCs do create additional space, that is why they have a bigger capacity than their volume. By putting cargo rigs on our industrials used for carrier transfer, we can make up for the lost space. As it stands, the additional space from the GSCs really wasn't worth nerfing, unless to take a backhanded swipe at carrier pilots. The organisation that is lost by not being able to put thing into cans is one of the big nerfs here, and not being able to put courier contracts in the ships limits personal supply to the corp hangar array, which is awfully small.
The truth is, CCP can't come up with a good reason for this change. They attempted to say it was a bugfix, and arrogantly attempted to say that ''carrier'' does not mean it carries stuff. Both of these excuses got shot down quicker than some of the mindless suggestions that find their way into the general discussion forum. For many many pages of the original thread, players asked CCP to explain this change, and were given no explanation.
"A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire |
Kenn
|
Posted - 2007.06.19 19:42:00 -
[27]
Based on the discussion of this forum thread I can see I am not the only one scratching my head. I knew I was going crazy.
|
Wiccy84
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2007.06.19 20:29:00 -
[28]
If CCP is soooooo worried about virtual space being created then why is the GSC still apart of gameplay mechanics?
Or is what CCP really trying to say is that
"some virtual space ok, but other virtual space isnt?"
Fix this and choose one way or the other.
Also give cargo holds of ships the ability to create tabs, courier wrap items without creating a specific courier mission and have no m3 "compacted", or have organizational cans that dont compress space.
This would greatly help with organinzing while no virtual space would be added on.
either way
xSIGNED
|
Haas Tabris
|
Posted - 2007.06.21 03:03:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Donathan Slade Edited by: Donathan Slade on 19/06/2007 18:47:56 Yes, but by putting items within items your creating virtual space. Its the same reason you can't put small containers in a large containers. Suck it up and deal.
So nerf GSC's down to 3,000 cubic meters. That's not the point. The point is we just lost the ability to organize different peoples stuff in the carrier runs.
Why make logistics MORE of a nightmare than it already is?
|
Rigsta
Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2007.06.21 03:27:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Haas Tabris
pffft. give me a search forum tool and i will gladly use it. until then, well, we get multiple threads i guess...
<smartass> Upper-right corner of the page. </smartass>
The change is apparantly a result of us now being able to store ships with stuff in their cargo holds, in ship maintenance arrays at POSes. "To avoid exploits" is the reason given, but what those exploits are has not been made clear.
The loss of organisation is a pain in the rear.
Originally by: Jim McGregor I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
|
|
Chainsaw Plankton
|
Posted - 2007.06.21 05:39:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Lore Isander Since when were Carriers frickin HAULERS?!
Learn to use them properly noobs...
right you should be using titans
noobs these days
</sarcasm>
|
Lothros Andastar
Gallente
|
Posted - 2007.06.21 08:54:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Haas Tabris
Originally by: Donathan Slade That's not the point. The point is we just lost the ability to organize different peoples stuff in the carrier runs.
Errrrr, ever heard of a courrior mission? Just make one to the carrier pilet ans gibe him the shrinkwrap thingy. Theirs ur logistics there
|
Angor
The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.06.21 10:22:00 -
[33]
I dont know if anybody has already covered this as i cant be bothered reading 2 pages *yawn* lazyness.
I think the idea behind the nerf was that because its considered an exploit to put anything in the cargohold of a ship and then put it into the ship maintenance array in POS's??? This is something you can however do with a carrier, or at least you used to be able too.
Normally "storing" a ship inside the maintenance array with contents in its cargo would result in a "uh huh" message. But putting stuff inside a ship and then putting the ship in a carrier, then putting the ship from the carrier to to the maintenance array with the contents inside was allowed?
Someone back me up on this?
If this isnt the reason for it then bah... CCP just trying to turn a carrier into a carrinothing. Why GSC even exist is beyond me 3000m3 with a 3900m3 volume Oo. Someone needs to do some maths... _______________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo |
Razer Morphis
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
|
Posted - 2007.06.21 12:49:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Lister Black There's a thread for this exact same discussion where a Dev has already responded to this question in the damn first page of this forum. Jesus.
Don't invoke the name of Jesus in a thread where "hangAr" (yes, with an A) is misspelled so often. lol ----------------------
|
Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.06.21 15:07:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Haas Tabris Ok, someone just made it real clear to me that you will no longer be able to put giant secure cans in a hauler and then put the hauler in a carrier.
What the ****?
CCP, this is how you move materials into and out of 0.0. And we need the GSC's so that we can keep everyone's stuff straight.
This is how it works. You need some t2 gear. You jump clone back to Jita and buy it. You load up one GSC and fly it out to your .3 or .4 departure system (you buy a sigil usually). You then put your name on the can like "Haas to ABC-" and toss it in the restricted hanger that only carrier pilots have access to.
When a carrier pilot makes a run, he picks up 25 or so cans at a shot (or some cans and some ships) and drops them off in your hanger in ABC station.
It's that ****ing clean and easy and now you're taking that away.
For the love of god and eve, why nerf this?
Can you ask in a courier contract to deliver to a POS in the middle of bloody nowhere ?
---
Adopt a goon today, goons need lub and support too. Do you want him out in the cold, starving ? |
Goddance
Outpost Alcohol and Tobacco
|
Posted - 2007.06.21 15:08:00 -
[36]
/signed
Change is bad! |
Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2007.06.22 02:41:00 -
[37]
/signed
ARROW CAP SHIPS FOR SALE We Promise you wont be disappointed! |
Spartan Romanus
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
|
Posted - 2007.06.22 08:27:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Originally by: Haas Tabris
Originally by: Donathan Slade That's not the point. The point is we just lost the ability to organize different peoples stuff in the carrier runs.
Errrrr, ever heard of a courrior mission? Just make one to the carrier pilet ans gibe him the shrinkwrap thingy. Theirs ur logistics there
What part of "you cant put those in either" dont you understand? Do you even fly a carrier? Im guessing no.
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 :: [one page] |