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CCP Zirnitra
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.08 14:57:00 -
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So, as you may have read in CCP Mindstar's latest dev blog, we have now introduced a new feature into the Alliance Tournament rules, namely the ability to remove a ship from the field before the battle starts.
The way banning works, is that prior to the match starting, after both teams have warped into the arena, you are given 2 minutes to decide which, if any, of the ships from the opposing team you would like to remove from the match. This pick has to be communicated to GameMaster assigned to your team by the team captain, and the selected ship will be moved back out of the system prior to the match starting. You will of course not be able to remove a flagship from the field, we all do really want to see those expensive ships blow up, am I right?
We would however still like to hear your thoughts on this new mechanic, and how you think this may impact the tournament, for the better or worse. |
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Sylva d
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:07:00 -
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Extremely bad idea, the only way a ship should go away is if it is destroyed.
Also the FCs will be the ones sent away every time I would imagine. |
Mr Rive
Rens 911 GoonSwarm
28
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:13:00 -
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You wont look bad if you remove this now.
All the other rules are awesome, this one could quite easily destroy the tournament. Teams rely on micromanagment and pivotal ships to stay afloat. If you allow people to simply remove those ships, all you will see is a constant stream of boring walkover matches.
Please revise this rule, and soon, because its just going to mess it up further if you remove it a month before start.
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Fintroll
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:13:00 -
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holy hell thats a horrible idea |
Herdon Tyldamere
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:16:00 -
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This is a really really bad idea. |
Tbone Johnson
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:17:00 -
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CCP playing too much HON. |
hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:18:00 -
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classic :CCP: |
Mankell Grenze
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:20:00 -
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CCP Zirnitra wrote:So, as you may have read in CCP Mindstar's latest dev blog, we have now introduced a new feature into the Alliance Tournament rules, namely the ability to remove a ship from the field before the battle starts. The way banning works, is that prior to the match starting, after both teams have warped into the arena, you are given 2 minutes to decide which, if any, of the ships from the opposing team you would like to remove from the match. This pick has to be communicated to GameMaster assigned to your team by the team captain, and the selected ship will be moved back out of the system prior to the match starting. You will of course not be able to remove a flagship from the field, we all do really want to see those expensive ships blow up, am I right? We would however still like to hear your thoughts on this new mechanic, and how you think this may impact the tournament, for the better or worse.
I wish there was a "dislike" post button now. |
Narciss Sevar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:20:00 -
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Why turn everything into a slug fest? Many tactics need certain ships to become effective and one you lose one the whole thing falls down like a house of cards.
The result of this is no one is going to use them. They will only use close range brawl teams because it doesn't matter as much if you lose one before the start.
Welcome to the most boring tournament ever. Why not just give it to the team with the highest SP in gunnery? |
Leeloo Malaquin
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
6
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:20:00 -
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What ever you decide you need to decide ASAP so we can start the theorycrafting and training.
Just remove it tbh.
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Mr Rive
Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:23:00 -
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Just to be clear; this turns all the rules and setups and theorys from last year on its head. I didnt think you could do that and have it be a bad thing |
Chro'Tal
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:24:00 -
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Narciss Sevar wrote:Why turn everything into a slug fest? Many tactics need certain ships to become effective and one you lose one the whole thing falls down like a house of cards.
The result of this is no one is going to use them. They will only use close range brawl teams because it doesn't matter as much if you lose one before the start.
Welcome to the most boring tournament ever. Why not just give it to the team with the highest SP in gunnery?
This exactly. |
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CCP Mindstar
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:24:00 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Just to be clear; this turns all the rules and setups and theorys from last year on its head.
This is precisely what it is intended to do
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Narciss Sevar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:28:00 -
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CCP Mindstar wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Just to be clear; this turns all the rules and setups and theorys from last year on its head. This is precisely what it is intended to do I'm guessing it didn't intend to invalidate all teams apart from close range brawlers though? |
DG J
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:28:00 -
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Utterly terrible...
Please just get rid of it now.
Also, you demolish strategies for the pre-qualifiers since people bringing under 4 ships will automatically end up with three, and any heavy DPS they brought will end up gone.
Meaning the only real strategy for the pre-qualifiers is a lot of smaller ships, no BS, no CS, and the logi will likely be sent away. |
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CCP Mindstar
C C P C C P Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:29:00 -
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DG J wrote:Utterly terrible...
Please just get rid of it now.
Also, you demolish strategies for the pre-qualifiers since people bringing under 4 ships will automatically end up with three, and any heavy DPS they brought will end up gone.
Meaning the only real strategy for the pre-qualifiers is a lot of smaller ships, no BS, no CS, and the logi will likely be sent away.
Banning will not be allowed in pre-quals. if that is not clear in the rules it is my fault and I will need to clarify it. |
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Angel HUN
Spricer
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:33:00 -
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I would like to see this rule re-tooled to disallow banning the same player two matches in a row. This could lead to some MUCH more interesting scenarios (perhaps negotiations between teams to ban certain players for one match, but leave others availible for the next round) or simple griefing.
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Syndemic
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:35:00 -
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CCP Mindstar wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Just to be clear; this turns all the rules and setups and theorys from last year on its head. This is precisely what it is intended to do How much more hubris can you possibly have?
"hrm yase let me take a widely popular and successful system and COMPLETELY turn on it's head to make it more wacky and zany! oh man i bet the kids will love that!"
This will be the Dominion of Alliance Tournaments if you actually implement this. |
Ramirez Dora
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:39:00 -
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- You'll need to increase player limits in preliminaries if you are to keep this rule.
- A any team who has a player removed receives 1.5x the score of that ship as handicap bonus (regardless of win or lose). This on top of existing handicap
- It should not be allowed in the finals, leave the tactics alone there.
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Novemb3r
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:39:00 -
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So basically what you are expecting is teams of 1 flagship and then all the remaining pilots in identical ships? Cause that's what you'll get. |
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Mr Rive
Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:39:00 -
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CCP Mindstar wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Just to be clear; this turns all the rules and setups and theorys from last year on its head. This is precisely what it is intended to do
Thats fine. What you are doing is forcing people to use the same generic setups, remove any flare out of the tournament.
Let me put it to you like this, seen as you seem to like football:
Bye bye wayne rooney.
Yes, i just destroyed any reason whatsoever of you wanting to watch manchester play. You feel good about that? Or do you want to go shout at FIFA's boss for his resignation?
Im all for setup changes. Hell, make a rule to stop people using the same setup twice in a row, add a multiball round, add NPCs to the arena so we have to compensate for it. DONT COMROMISE OUR SETUPS as you will destroy all grace and skill in the tournament, and you will destroy what it is i love so much about playing it.
Id love to say i was exaggerating, but im not. |
Slapnuts McGee
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:41:00 -
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If you're unable to think creatively enough to change the tournament in a manner that would avoid previous tactics and theories, I'd suggest you ask your players for ideas.
I understand the intent is to increase flagship usage, but it's a pretty stupid to covertly do that. |
Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:43:00 -
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Hey - this Banning Draft / Banning Pick works great in competitive DOTA/HON -- let's put it into EVE!
:commissar: |
Mr Rive
Rens 911 GoonSwarm
28
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:49:00 -
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Slapnuts McGee wrote:If you're unable to think creatively enough to change the tournament in a manner that would avoid previous tactics and theories, I'd suggest you ask your players for ideas.
oh but they did!
Using a highly secret blend of player feedback, meeting room shenanigans and just a dash of beer we have come up with some new stuff that will spice things up a bit.
Indeed, CCP used a highly secretive blend of player feedback, I'm sure that secretive blend inclued asking the suggestions of the last 4 team captains of last year.
And now im ranting, i dont think ive ranted since the nano nerf |
fmercury
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:53:00 -
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All you have done is remove logistics from the tourney. Good job i guess? |
Red Nucleus
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:53:00 -
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This is the most ******* ******** idea I have ever heard of. Get rid of this **** now. |
Slapnuts McGee
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:53:00 -
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fmercury wrote:All you have done is remove logistics from the tourney. Good job i guess?
or shamis orzozs |
Milla Jovobitch
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:53:00 -
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This is an awful idea. Horrible, horrible, horrible. |
Random Womble
Emo Rangers Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:55:00 -
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I'm fine with banning IF it was a 1 use option for the whole tournament or at the very most once during the group stages then once during the finals. Every match will add nothing other than more drakes which we all love to hate.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:59:00 -
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banning mechanic is frankly r etarded and should be removed
it encourages people to field setups where every ship costs about the same amount of points, boring setups with no command ships and as few frigates as you can get away with |
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