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EvE Justice
Gallente La.Cosa.Nostra
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:33:00 -
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Username:***** Next:16. November 2007 14.95 EUR
Username:***** Next:17. October 2007 14.95 USD
Username:***** Next:23. October 2007 14.95 USD
Currently i own 3 accounts and i live in europe,2 of my accounts are from early 2003 and up to now i pay with my credit card in USD, my third account is less then a year old and i pay the same ammount in euro, and as you can see is mutch more expensive then the other 2, you may ask why would i point this to the public and not keep my mouth shut WELL i am like this and my question is WHY.?
CCP ?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:34:00 -
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Short Answer: VAT Long Answer: use forum search (or eve-search) =AFK=
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Nocturnal Avenger
The Ankou The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:41:00 -
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This has been publicly well known for ages.
If you can't switch your euro-account to USD, just buy GTC from shattered crystal using a pay-pal account (and USD) of course.
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.10.16 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: EvE Justice Username:***** Next:16. November 2007 14.95 EUR
Username:***** Next:17. October 2007 14.95 USD
Username:***** Next:23. October 2007 14.95 USD
Currently i own 3 accounts and i live in europe,2 of my accounts are from early 2003 and up to now i pay with my credit card in USD, my third account is less then a year old and i pay the same ammount in euro, and as you can see is mutch more expensive then the other 2, you may ask why would i point this to the public and not keep my mouth shut WELL i am like this and my question is WHY.?
CCP ?
why does a hamburger cost different in the US and in EU? and the fuel? and the water? and and and... you think it's air you're breathing now?
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EvE Justice
Gallente La.Cosa.Nostra
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:01:00 -
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Well maybe i have not been so clear .. i do not have a problem if all my accounts where in euro or usd, i earn good money from my work to be able to pay eve in euro or usd. MY QUESTION IS why my 2 accounts charged in USD and 1 in EU, there is no logic to this..
or ?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: EvE Justice MY QUESTION IS why my 2 accounts charged in USD and 1 in EU, there is no logic to this..
or ?
Contact Billing - I doubt they'll have a problem switching the USD accounts into EUR accounts... =AFK=
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:06:00 -
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If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD
Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD
maybe u could elaborate and explain how to change that? where exactly can he chose the currency?
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:09:37
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD
That's a 40% difference in price for europeans. How is that accounted for?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker That's a 40% difference in price for europeans. How is that accounted for?
Partly European VAT, partly the dollar dropping like a rock (if prices get adjusted the dollar subscriptions will cost more, not the euro subs less) =AFK=
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EvE Justice
Gallente La.Cosa.Nostra
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Contact Billing - I doubt they'll have a problem switching the USD accounts into EUR accounts...
Do you really beleive this ? Have you see lately what is going on with all this people and the problems they have with re activacion of there accounts, or what happens when they try to change Credit Card details ?
CCP ?
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EvE Justice
Gallente La.Cosa.Nostra
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD
thanks
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: EvE Justice Do you really beleive this ? Have you see lately what is going on with all this people and the problems they have with re activacion of there accounts, or what happens when they try to change Credit Card details ? CCP ?
Yes I really believe that. They had great service when I had a billing problem a few weeks ago. Changing the currency shouldn't be a problem at all for them. =AFK=
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KhaniKirai
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:15:00 -
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So why do we have to pay different prices then ccp?
And dont come up with the vat, because the vat is WAY lower then the exchange rate difference.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: KhaniKirai So why do we have to pay different prices then ccp?
And dont come up with the vat, because the vat is WAY lower then the exchange rate difference.
Post 10, this thread =AFK=
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:17:00 -
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The billing currency is decided somehow when you sign up, and we can esily change the currency as well.
Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang
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EvE Justice
Gallente La.Cosa.Nostra
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: EvE Justice on 16/10/2007 22:20:30
Originally by: Estel Arador Yes I really believe that. They had great service when I had a billing problem a few weeks ago. Changing the currency shouldn't be a problem at all for them.
thanks you .. It is nice to know this cause i was a bit worried, now my trust to the well oiled CCP accounts department is restored.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:25:39
Originally by: Estel Arador Partly European VAT, partly the dollar dropping like a rock (if prices get adjusted the dollar subscriptions will cost more, not the euro subs less)
So we're paying 15% over the maximum allowed rate of VAT (25%, actually more than that in almost all cases) because CCP can't be arsed to adjust their prices for a currency that has been at approximately 1.3-4:1 usd:eur for several months now?
(Or non-europeans are getting the equivalent discount, whichever way you look at it. But it shouldn't be this way - the taxed rate should not be the base)
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker So we're paying 15% over the maximum allowed rate of VAT (25%, actually more than that in almost all cases) because CCP can't be arsed to adjust their prices for a currency that has been at approximately 1.3-4:1 usd:eur for several months now?
(Or non-europeans are getting the equivalent discount, whichever way you look at it. But it shouldn't be this way - the taxed rate should not be the base)
No, part of the difference can be explained by VAT (making the EUR prices a little higher) and part of the difference can be explained by the dollar dropping (making the USD prices a little lower). If prices get adjusted, the USD price will rise while the EUR price stays put. =AFK=
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador If prices get adjusted, the USD price will rise while the EUR price stays put.
And? ATM we're paying through the teeth (well, we're not, most of us probably use american ETCs) in comparison to non-europeans who are getting a huge discount because of ccp's crappy practices with regards to currency.
If i buy something via paypal, i'm charged the correct rate of VAT, and am given a very fair currency exchange. All the while CCP are charging a rate of VAT that's 7.5% over my country's, and then putting another 15% on top and saying "Weak dollar", which is utter *******s because the dollar's been that weak for months on end. The recent crises are a matter of mere cents, if that.
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Slayton Ford
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:38:00 -
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You know, as a American, there I times I appreciate the devalued dollar. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer... |
Mad Axe
Caldari Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:43:00 -
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USD=EUR, for example you pay the same number of curency for 1 gallon of fuel as you do for 1L of fuel
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Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:55:00 -
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While lots of new signups are european.. can us affiliate sites please get paid in euro instead of the sucky USD?
Two years ago affiliates would make much more than we do today but the payouts havent been adjusted at all.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:56:00 -
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I was paying in the not so mighty dollar using my credit card. I wanted to change the period but if I did I would have had to use euros. So I left well alone.
But then one day I couldn't log in. Someone at CCP had decided that as peon of Betty 2 I had to pay in euros.
Of course, I bought a timecard, in dollars.
So, CCP, your devious plan to make me pay in euros backfired. Even worse for you, I feel less tied in to you now. I can take a break without worrying that I will have to pay more when I return.
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Nocturnal Avenger
The Ankou The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Axe USD=EUR, for example you pay the same number of curency for 1 gallon of fuel as you do for 1L of fuel
That was mean :D
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Gabba
The Three Hundred
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:59:00 -
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Yeah but we arent creating a huge deficit keeping it that way, your kids will be paying for the gallons those nice 1.5 ton trucks are using
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Mad Axe USD=EUR, for example you pay the same number of curency for 1 gallon of fuel as you do for 1L of fuel
That was mean :D
Mean and innaccurate. The price difference there is entirely the cost of importation and taxation. There isn't a magical 15% discount/tariff that's been slipped in and passed off as a weak currency.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:43:00 -
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I'd be quiet about things like this :p
See, originally the dollar was only slightly lower than the Euro, and in the EU you have to pay VAT, so the EU price took this into account.
Now the Dollar is dropping like a rock, what is likely to happen is the USD price would increase rather than the EU price decrease, but my bet is CCP are trying to treat their customers nicely and not passing on that cost.
If you are in the EU, and are paying with USD, it's you that are avoiding the VAT, and subject to whatever legal repercussions that entails. If CCP were not to pay the VAT on your behalf on subscriptions, it would be they who would be in legal hot water.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:57:00 -
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Hey, don't get all ****y because you've got a strong economy run by intelligent, forward-thinking politicians. If you don't want to pay so much, elect morons like we do.
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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Kayna Eelai
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Posted - 2007.10.17 06:30:00 -
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actually, if u can buy timecodes in dollars (aka: for LESS money) then all this stupid thing of having different currency is nonsense.
CCP, aren't u islandinc? what currency do you use there? go, charge in that currency and let paypal or VISA handle the exchange rate.
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Nofonno
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.10.17 06:40:00 -
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I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight hereà Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?
However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (-slenska kronor)?
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.10.17 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kuolematon on 17/10/2007 06:47:56 Living in EU, paying in USD .. ah they joy of life! NO MORE RIPPING OF POOR EU PLAYERS, YA HEAR ME CCP! *shakes fist*
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Jevnikar
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jevnikar on 17/10/2007 07:33:58 Sux ccp plz change my subscription to USD :)
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nofonno I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight hereà Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?
However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (-slenska kronor)?
No, we don't have VAT. It's a silly thing you Euros have added to make purchasing things on the Interweb more complicated and costly.
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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Dan Grobag
Caldari Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:13:00 -
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With the fall of the US currency the fee should go either up for US or down for EU, VAT or not.
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Major Stallion
Four Rings
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai actually, if u can buy timecodes in dollars (aka: for LESS money) then all this stupid thing of having different currency is nonsense.
CCP, aren't u islandinc? what currency do you use there? go, charge in that currency and let paypal or VISA handle the exchange rate.
Ironically enough, Icelandic currency is the ISK. ________________________________ High Sec PvP
Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nofonno I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight hereà Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?
However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (-slenska kronor)?
It's currently not allowed for states to set a tax on online goods/services.
This bill will expire next year and it's assumed it won't be extended.
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Spenz
Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:31:00 -
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Stop whining and be glad you aren't paying your subscription in Pound Sterling.
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Curryzia Kinwurry
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Posted - 2007.10.17 09:10:00 -
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Wrangler said if you live in the EU you should pay in Euros, but what if you live in an EU country that doesn't use the Euro? Should we pay in $ then?
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.10.17 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Curryzia Kinwurry Wrangler said if you live in the EU you should pay in Euros, but what if you live in an EU country that doesn't use the Euro? Should we pay in $ then?
I live in Sweden, which is a EU country that doesn't use the euro, we still pay VAT here though.
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Entreri Finwe
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.10.17 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Kayna Eelai actually, if u can buy timecodes in dollars (aka: for LESS money) then all this stupid thing of having different currency is nonsense.
CCP, aren't u islandinc? what currency do you use there? go, charge in that currency and let paypal or VISA handle the exchange rate.
Ironically enough, Icelandic currency is the ISK.
Beacause it's quite hard for VISA and PayPal to work out the exhange rate for cod fish...
Originally by: Spenz Stop whining and be glad you aren't paying your subscription in Pound Sterling.
Or Omani Riyals, that would hurt...
Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands
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Arushia
Nova Labs Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.10.17 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nofonno I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight hereà Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?
However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (-slenska kronor)?
There is no federal VAT in the US. Localities charge "sales tax" which is similar, but applies only to goods. Services such as EVE aren't taxed.
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Richard Bashir
Gallente Praetorian Guard FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 09:53:00 -
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I only recently discovered that GT cards are only about Ç11, so I'm switching from auto creditcard to buying the cards and keep 4 euro's (x 2 accounts) a month in my pocket. If I buy a 90 day card the difference is even greater! ------------------------------------------ My signature has been podded... :| The Cake Is A Lie___ |
RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.17 10:12:00 -
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I pay in 12mth blocks via CC
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.17 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ashaz on 17/10/2007 10:51:50
Originally by: Elmicker Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:09:37
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD
That's a 40% difference in price for europeans. How is that accounted for?
we are 40% cooler
Altho i would like to pay my 14.95 in SKR instead, since that's the currency here __________________________________ Gallente by birth. Amarr by choice. iDrone |
Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:11:00 -
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Petition it. I'm sure the time you waste with the $2 a month you save will enable you to retire in a few days.
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler I don't know exactly how what currency you pay in is decided, but we can easily change it if you're paying in the wrong currency.
I pay in dollars via GTC's because of this, more hassle for me.
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Doppler Shift
Red 42 Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:35:00 -
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I'm certain CCP calculates their pricing schemes to maximize long-term profitability. A 40% increase in subscription price would probably be met with a significant loss of subscribers, both offsetting any potential recovery in income and devaluing the game as a whole by shrinking the playerbase. While I'd guess that the falling dollar has caused the accountants a fair amount of angst, it looks like they are trying to ride out what may be temporary weakness in a currency. Don't worry, I'm sure they'll raise subscription prices across the board when the time comes...
What I really have to wonder is, what is the point of a thread like this? I don't see reducing the Euro subscription price as a realistic response to revenue losses from US subscribers, so the only possible outcomes are status quo -- thus no point for the discussion -- or prices to go up in some way (also farfetched as I doubt the business folks are as eager as game devs to look 'responsive' to community whining). Whining tends to attract the kind of attention you might not like: I hope the beancounters don't implement a tracking program by IP address to ensure accounts pay in appropriate currency whether directly for subs or for GTCs.
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J Ripper
Caldari Silent Retaliation
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:37:00 -
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I`m Gutted, been playing since 05 and have always paid in $
Recently had a small break from eve, now I`m being charged in Euros ( last 2 months )
Can I go back to $$$$$ ? even tho I`m in the UK ?
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: J Ripper I`m Gutted, been playing since 05 and have always paid in $
Recently had a small break from eve, now I`m being charged in Euros ( last 2 months )
Can I go back to $$$$$ ? even tho I`m in the UK ?
No, you were supposed to pay in EUR from the beginning, so this would be a correction of that mistake. You can of course go the way some previous posters have said and start using ETC's.
Originally by: Doppler Shift What I really have to wonder is, what is the point of a thread like this? I don't see reducing the Euro subscription price as a realistic response to revenue losses from US subscribers, so the only possible outcomes are status quo -- thus no point for the discussion -- or prices to go up in some way (also farfetched as I doubt the business folks are as eager as game devs to look 'responsive' to community whining). Whining tends to attract the kind of attention you might not like: I hope the beancounters don't implement a tracking program by IP address to ensure accounts pay in appropriate currency whether directly for subs or for GTCs.
Point of it is to let people discuss the price, there's no reason for us to lock it.
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Ashraaf
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:12:00 -
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on the actual currency 1Ç <=> 1.42 $ (1,4183 exactly) for a one month it's 21.2$ One Month and an half abo it's a big difference for the European subscriber. I all the game i play before i only see one money to pay ($ or Ç) but not difference between 2 subscriber
Yes I use GTC for my account. But not all the player got this opportunity or knew that it's possible or even that's there such a difference.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You can of course go the way some previous posters have said and start using ETC's.
You shouldn't really give that advice mate. In some EU countries that may well be illegal.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2007.10.17 12:20:00 -
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Maybe its got something to do with who u bought the accounts off ?
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KhaniKirai
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: KhaniKirai on 17/10/2007 14:32:44 Its not the job of companies to force how customers have to pay, especially not, if that means they have to pay way more.
Thats basically fraude.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler I live in Sweden, which is a EU country that doesn't use the euro, we still pay VAT here though.
HSftigt, but please I wanna pay in american dollars, alot cheaper :P Was going to buy a t-shirt in the store but since it think I'll have to use EURO there aswell I haven't done it yet..
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: CCP Wrangler You can of course go the way some previous posters have said and start using ETC's.
You shouldn't really give that advice mate. In some EU countries that may well be illegal.
No it's not. You just have to report it and pay the VAT yourself.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Point of it is to let people discuss the price, there's no reason for us to lock it.
No, the point of it was for you to ask the question directed at you. I've asked it specifically several times before, and been ignored then. Hopefully you won't be so rude this time.
Why do europeans pay 40% more than non-europeans?
Even a simple "We enjoy screwing you for cash" would do me; at least you'd be being honest.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Neth'Rae Was going to buy a t-shirt in the store but since it think I'll have to use EURO there aswell I haven't done it yet..
You pay in USD in the EVE Store.
Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Point of it is to let people discuss the price, there's no reason for us to lock it.
No, the point of it was for you to ask the question directed at you. I've asked it specifically several times before, and been ignored then. Hopefully you won't be so rude this time.
Why do europeans pay 40% more than non-europeans?
Even a simple "We enjoy screwing you for cash" would do me; at least you'd be being honest.
I believe I answered that in another thread. The main reason we charge more in EUR is the VAT, the reason the difference is so high is that the USD has weakened since the price was set. However, at this time I have not been informed that we plan any price change at this time.
Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler The main reason we charge more in EUR is the VAT
VAT is 25% maximum... so...
Quote: the reason the difference is so high is that the USD has weakened since the price was set.
In the last six months the USD:EUR exchange rate has varied by a total of 5 cents. Are you saying that the 5 cents per dollar over the last 6 months has resulted in an extra 15% price difference?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:40:00 -
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As I said in a previous thread, the comparisons of price in Ç and $ are really quite pointless. What ultimately matters is the ISK value of the payments to CCP. I worked it out in the last thread about this, but it wasn't much.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:42:00 -
[62]
price was set more than 6 months ago troll
please to be getting out from under my bridge yes?
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme price was set more than 6 months ago troll
I'm not trolling.
You have to go back to just about the creation of the Euro as a currency to get enough of a difference to account for the extra discount americans get. Then you simply have to ask yourself why CCP are reluctant to charge all their customers the same amount. What is preventing them from simply charging all customers in euros and letting their respective banks sorting out the conversions?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:51:00 -
[64]
how about the headache of adjusting it daily?
seriosuly unless they switched all payments to one currency (a good way to lsoe subscribes) its simply easier to set a price and keep it there
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Kirja
R.u.S.H. Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:04:00 -
[65]
Ok!
The VAT rate in Estonia is 18%. The USD/EURO exchange rate is 1.42 to 1. My calculator says that we pay 16.44% more than US customers even after VAT deducted. Or 42% more VAT included.
An average disposable income in US (according to some random website on the net) is 2617 USD per month. An average disposable income in Estonia is 900 USD per month.
Average Estonian should work 3 hours 46 minutes to pay EvE subscription. Average American should work 54 minutes to pay EvE subscription.
Talk about unfair world order .
We should tolerate this no more! TO ARMS COMRADES!
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 17/10/2007 16:10:35
Originally by: Tortun Nahme how about the headache of adjusting it daily?
Banks will happily do this for you. Try buying something in another currency through paypal. They'll offer to convert the currency for you, or charge you in the original currency and let your bank deal with it. Hell, they'll even charge you the correct amount of VAT while they're at it.
Quote: its simply easier to set a price and keep it there
Easier, yes, but loses a good chunk of income from the subscribers who use that currency, and establishes an unfair 2-tier payment system.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:18:00 -
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not really, you can still pay in a different currency via gtc's
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Sean Dillon
Caldari 5hockWave
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:03:00 -
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Same with other stuff like psp3, in us a version costs 400$ in eu it just costs 400Ç its pure rip off just to make more money out europeans and ccp know it.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme not really, you can still pay in a different currency via gtc's
According to EU directives, non-eu businesses selling digital commerce services to EU residents are required to collect the VAT on behalf of the resident. AFAIK, none of the USD GTC sellers provide this service, so buying them is deep into a legal grey area.
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EvE Justice
Gallente La.Cosa.Nostra
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Hawkings Maybe its got something to do with who u bought the accounts off ?
If this is about me and my accounts .. I am the Original Owner on all of them ... and very proud off :)
GM Arkanon Those not banned today may rest assured that we will get them later.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.17 21:13:00 -
[71]
Regardless of what the dollar is worth in your country, it is still a dollar here. We Americans do not get adjusted salaries based on the value of the euro, contrary to your belief. $14.95 is still $14.95 to us.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.17 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 17/10/2007 15:36:44
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Nofonno I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight hereà Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?
However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (-slenska kronor)?
No, we don't have VAT. It's a silly thing you Euros have added to make purchasing things on the Interweb more complicated and costly.
Your either woefully ignorant or being deliberately assinine.
VAT is just a form of sales tax. Almost every state in America levies tax. As does the county and sometimes the town. The only difference is that for some weird reason you leave it off the price label so that it comes as a nasty surprise when you actually reach the checkout..oh and you apparently don't charge it for online services..yet.
Exactly. We're currently not taxed for online services. Hopefully this will not change anytime soon.
So, neither really.
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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Jamie Hara
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.17 21:49:00 -
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Does the VAT/tax go to the icelandic government, the EU or to the country you live in?
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Doppler Shift
Red 42 Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2007.10.17 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker What is preventing them from simply charging all customers in euros and letting their respective banks sorting out the conversions?
The desire to maximize profits. In fact, they'd probably lose more customers by requiring one specific currency than they would by doubling the price -- why make a product/service more difficult to purchase than it needs to be?
More to the point, why should it even bother you what method or price people in entirely different economies pay to play? It doesn't affect you -- beyond the fact that you choose to strengthen the dollar by paying for 2 accounts in the US's sovereign currency rather than that of your own nation and could be evading local VAT in the process (either or both of which may be illegal where you live).
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HAMTRONIX
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: HAMTRONIX on 17/10/2007 23:59:07
Quote: It's currently not allowed for states to set a tax on online goods/services
This is qute untrue, while it's not collected at the time of sale, businesses and individuals are required to remit use tax to their state for purchases made via the internet/mail order/800 numbers etc etc. This does not include services, only tangible goods.
This is true for most states in the union that have sales tax, the few states that do not of course do not require this to be paid. Enforcement of this "use tax" is largely non existant and is up to the business owner or individual to remit payment.
On the other side, a business may provide a list to a taxing authority of customers, the authority may compare this list with taxpayers who have remitted and will go after those who have not.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2007.10.18 00:06:00 -
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This thread highlights the limited thinking of global taxation schemes, and companies dealing with them more than anything else.
Just buy ETC in USD, they're cheaper than any other option, and you can use PayPal, which is not a service CCP offers. Shattered Crystal Ftw.
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Taedrin
Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.10.18 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nofonno I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight hereà Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?
However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (-slenska kronor)?
<speculation> As far as I know, if you live in Europe, you must pay the VAT tax. Even if you are paying for your account in USD, you are responsible for paying the VAT tax associated with it. In other words, if you are paying in USD, you are avoiding the VAT tax which I presume is illegal. </speculation>
Taxes in the US (by no means a complete description). In the US, we have essentially 3 taxes that normal people have to worry about: Federal Taxes State Taxes Local Taxes (city).
Federal Taxes are based off of your income, ie the more money you make, the more money you pay to the federal government (the US as a whole).
State Taxes are based off of your expenditures, a sales tax. IE, the more money you spend, the more you pay the *state* government. For example, in Michigan, we pay a 6% sales tax on most items (some things like groceries are not taxed).
Local Taxes are based off of property owned. IE, the more things you own, the more money you pay the city and/or county.
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Atraxy
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Posted - 2007.10.18 00:54:00 -
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Yup Im in the UK but I ether pay in USD or time cards, currently the exchange rate is great for UK players effectively making the game half price.
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Darkwolfi
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Posted - 2007.10.18 03:32:00 -
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What one must ask themselves, how does this affect GTC selling worldwide.. i mean how many would pay 15 euro for a 30 day gtc when they can buy the same for 15 USD?
How many idiots are really buying euro time codes on the web? i see a big list of european sites but who the hell would buy those when it's 40% more expensive?
On another note, thinking of this from CCP's side of view.
If people buying USD time codes doesn't undermine CCP's profits, why is this not advertised more broadly for their customers, or are these 15-30% profits on each subscription just money you want to put in your pocket without bad conscience? I understand we europeans must be more wealthy than the americans since we apparently can afford to pay much more
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Eval B'Stard
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.10.18 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Eval B''Stard on 18/10/2007 03:59:30 All I know is that in the UK VAT collection is the responsibility of the Vendor (And only those vendors that are VAT registered which requires you to have a turnover in excess of around ú45000 / year) (this also gives them the luxury of claiming back any VAT they PAY on goods / services they purchase) It is a very very complicated system.
It is not the responsibility of the purchaser to worry about VAT and is not illegal to avoid paying VAT, it is illegal for the vendor to not charge VAT.
Technically we should not be able to buy GTC's from $ vendors but it's impossible to police / enforce goods supplied by email (which GTC's are) and it's not considered that big an issue currently.
The point is you are not breaking any laws by purchasing GTC's in $'s / the Vendor is. -------------------------------------------
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Kirja
R.u.S.H. Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 09:25:00 -
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Another point is that if CCP is charging VAT on behalf of EU member states then it is supposed to charge each customer according to his country of residence VAT rate.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/consumers/e-commerce/article_1610_en.htm#16rate
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 09:47:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Kirja Another point is that if CCP is charging VAT on behalf of EU member states then it is supposed to charge each customer according to his country of residence VAT rate.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/consumers/e-commerce/article_1610_en.htm#16rate
No, they can nominate a "resident" country, and charge all their VAT at that rate.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.18 09:54:00 -
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no you pay the rat of VAT of the country that you buy it from - not where you are -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & RaTTuS Home
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 18/10/2007 10:04:45 Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 18/10/2007 10:04:15 I buy with euros on the site because it's illegal to evade paying the VAT... and because my income allows it.
However, as said before, banks happily let people not care about price and ajust prices automatically, even charging the correct VAT in the process.
So the reason why CCP charges more for european is that they are true to eve, they scam us.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Eval B'Stard
The point is you are not breaking any laws by purchasing GTC's in $'s / the Vendor is.
You are responsible for paying VAT and duty on any goods that you import into the country.
However Her Majesties Revenue and Customs officers allow a certain leeway on this. You don't have to pay if the VAT due is less than ú18 and the duty is less than ú7.
So, unless you are funding a war using GTCs, you won't have to pay anything to the government.
The relevant page on the HM Revenu & Customs website is here
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Mhorbaine
BAT Empire VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
It'd be nice to think that everyone who played this game would be willing to give CCP the money they ask for - but after 41 years I'm not too surprised to note that a number of people don't give a damn.
personnally as your bog standard user from the uk you are presented with 2 choices... pay in USD for a ETC or pay in EUR via cc.... mm let me see, one saves me in excess of ú40 per year (or $80) compared to the other... which is the logical choice?
And as for the quote above - yes i agree that in certain circumstances paying that little extra helps out and improves the game but from the looks of things CCP isnt exactly sellin the shirts off their backs now are they?
Oh - as well just FYI - it isnt necessarily about ppl not giving a damn, unfortunately due to the world we live in there are many people who would class a saving of this amount as a potentially crucial (sp) financial saving which allows them to play eve for longer periods of time... long term b2c relationships at a reduced cost are potentially more worthwhile for the company than expensive short term ones :-)
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD
Not entirely correct old chap. Norway is not a part of the EU, but you still charge in Ç here. ---
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:56:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Kirja Another point is that if CCP is charging VAT on behalf of EU member states then it is supposed to charge each customer according to his country of residence VAT rate.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/consumers/e-commerce/article_1610_en.htm#16rate
No, they can nominate a "resident" country, and charge all their VAT at that rate.
At the moment, yes. The EU are looking at getting rid of that legislation though. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:58:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Andrue on 18/10/2007 10:58:51
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD
Not entirely correct old chap. Norway is not a part of the EU, but you still charge in Ç here.
Norway is within the EEA though. For economic purposes that's the same thing. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 11:41:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Eval B'Stard
The point is you are not breaking any laws by purchasing GTC's in $'s / the Vendor is.
You are responsible for paying VAT and duty on any goods that you import into the country.
However Her Majesties Revenue and Customs officers allow a certain leeway on this. You don't have to pay if the VAT due is less than ú18 and the duty is less than ú7.
So, unless you are funding a war using GTCs, you won't have to pay anything to the government.
The relevant page on the HM Revenu & Customs website is here
Does not apply to electronic services.
Quote: Why is the VAT exemption for small consignments (containing physical goods) not also applied to digital services so as to ensure equity?
There is no realistic way of applying such a threshold to electronic transactions. Traders providing electronic services have never, in fact, seriously pursued this issue.
In fact, the VAT exemption for small packages is giving rise to an increasing amount of market distortion with the increase in distance sales that has been facilitated by the Internet, and it is currently under review. The exemption is limited to goods the total value of which does not exceed Ç22. Member States also have the option of excluding from the exemption goods that are imported by mail.
Moreover, the exemption applies to the tax chargeable at import on physical goods and it is the purchaser who benefits from the threshold. The exemption, which runs counter to the fundamental principle of VAT as a broad-based tax on consumption, is provided for practical reasons to avoid the need to collect small amounts of tax from private consumers. This does not apply to digital services where the tax will be collected by suppliers.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Kaakao
Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:13:00 -
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iPhone in US = 399 USD iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR
Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU
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Darkwolfi
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kaakao iPhone in US = 399 USD iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR
Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU
It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai Regardless of what the dollar is worth in your country, it is still a dollar here. We Americans do not get adjusted salaries based on the value of the euro, contrary to your belief. $14.95 is still $14.95 to us.
Course your dolla suck dosnt mean you get a discount on buying international services.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:44:00 -
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@ whoever was asking why i was bothered:
Because i have to jump headfirst into a legal grey area to pay the same amount as others who receive exactly the same service as me. I'd be happy to just pay VAT @ 17.5%, but 40% just takes the ****.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker @ whoever was asking why i was bothered:
Because i have to jump headfirst into a legal grey area to pay the same amount as others who receive exactly the same service as me. I'd be happy to just pay VAT @ 17.5%, but 40% just takes the ****.
You're confusing the difference in pricing and the VAT. It should be clear by now that only part of the difference is VAT; you are not paying more VAT just because the USD has dropped. =AFK=
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador You're confusing the difference in pricing and the VAT. It should be clear by now that only part of the difference is VAT; you are not paying more VAT just because the USD has dropped.
Yes. That's exactly what i'm saying. I'd be happy if the price difference was JUST vat. but it isn't. There's a huge gulf between the prices simply because CCP refuse to alter their currency conversions, which were apparently done 7 years ago.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.19 00:05:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Estel Arador You're confusing the difference in pricing and the VAT. It should be clear by now that only part of the difference is VAT; you are not paying more VAT just because the USD has dropped.
Yes. That's exactly what i'm saying. I'd be happy if the price difference was JUST vat. but it isn't. There's a huge gulf between the prices simply because CCP refuse to alter their currency conversions, which were apparently done 7 years ago.
its due to there being more euros so we are tanking the price diference so they dont lose money on the poor yanks
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Etchyboy
Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.19 01:27:00 -
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I have a question.... who the heck gets all the VAT that you guys pay? Whoever it is rolling in the cash I would imagine!
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Etchyboy
Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.19 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kaakao iPhone in US = 399 USD iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR
Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU
I saw the same thing and I thought it wasnt fair either. Then they pointed out it costs alot more to do business in EU then it does anywhere else in the world. I think that is messed up and unfair to you guys as well.
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Taedrin
Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.10.19 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Darkwolfi
Originally by: Kaakao iPhone in US = 399 USD iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR
Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU
It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy
I don't even know why they bother, all great things must come to an end. And the US economy is definately one of them.
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Akundi
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Posted - 2007.10.19 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Darkwolfi
Originally by: Kaakao iPhone in US = 399 USD iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR
Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU
It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy
I don't even know why they bother, all great things must come to an end. And the US economy is definately one of them.
Your european economy has been "ended" for about a century. When does that great thing come to an end? Lets hope not soon.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.19 10:08:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Andrue on 19/10/2007 10:10:37
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Darkwolfi
Originally by: Kaakao iPhone in US = 399 USD iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR
Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU
It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy
I don't even know why they bother, all great things must come to an end. And the US economy is definately one of them.
Your european economy has been "ended" for about a century. When does that great thing come to an end? Lets hope not soon.
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.
I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue ..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.
Yep, not just vs. the Euro but vs. All currencies. AUD vs USD is @ 23 year record highs. Eve for me has never been cheaper. \o/.
The basics are that Eve has not increased in price for just about ANYONE since release. It has decreased in price for most people paying in USD... except well for those people that earn USD also. For whom it's the same.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:43:00 -
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and not to forget: USA people gets ISK cheaper than EUR people!!
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Akundi
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 19/10/2007 10:10:37
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Darkwolfi
Originally by: Kaakao iPhone in US = 399 USD iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR
Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU
It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy
I don't even know why they bother, all great things must come to an end. And the US economy is definately one of them.
Your european economy has been "ended" for about a century. When does that great thing come to an end? Lets hope not soon.
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.
I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.
Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.
United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf
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Spenz
Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08 Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.
I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.
Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.
United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf
Now GTFO and learn to make money.
Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.
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Originally by: Spenz Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08 Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.
I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.
Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.
United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf
Now GTFO and learn to make money.
Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.
This man knows his internets well. Listen and learn.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.20 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08 Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.
I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.
Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.
United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf
Now GTFO and learn to make money.
Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.
Germany started geting there economy in to gear for the first time since the fall of the wall, where i live there is less than 2% unemployment rate and the trend is showing in most of wurope the reason the overal eu economy dosnt look that strong is the recent absorption of the old easteren contrys
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KapnKaboom
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Posted - 2007.10.20 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08 Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.
I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.
Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.
United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf
Now GTFO and learn to make money.
Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.
The true US unemployment rate may actually be higher than France's right now. The US unemployment rate is calculated solely based on the number of people collecting unemployment, which you can only do for 6 months. After those 6 months are up, even if you are still unemployed, you are no longer considered officially unemployed by the 'system' and are no longer counted. You'll find that there are a large number of folks who are still very much unemployed right now that aren't counted because of this. It's a nice little propaganda tool we Americans have to fool the rest of the world into thinking everything is wonderful over here. ;-)
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Mrsticks
Minmatar RNCGM Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: KapnKaboom
Originally by: Spenz Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08 Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.
I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.
Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.
United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf
Now GTFO and learn to make money.
Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.
The true US unemployment rate may actually be higher than France's right now. The US unemployment rate is calculated solely based on the number of people collecting unemployment, which you can only do for 6 months. After those 6 months are up, even if you are still unemployed, you are no longer considered officially unemployed by the 'system' and are no longer counted. You'll find that there are a large number of folks who are still very much unemployed right now that aren't counted because of this. It's a nice little propaganda tool we Americans have to fool the rest of the world into thinking everything is wonderful over here. ;-)
This is true it is based off of Unemployment. That said if we Did have higher Unemployment then companys wouldent Constantly be highering people and almost Every company Ive talked to in the last 5 Years wouldent be complaining of being Under staffed. So Id say that were Dooing Pritty good as far as Jobs go...Now to kick the damn dollar in the Bum and make it grow again.
Long Live TEXAS! Texans join the Texas channel in game plz.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akundi
Now GTFO and learn to make money.
/me takes a look at the US vs Euro trade balance deficits and laughs, hard.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Astronoe
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:29:00 -
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So Mr. Wrangler ! How can i change the currency i'm paying from Euro to USD ? Should i petition it
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Stephen HB
Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:33:00 -
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Since I live in Australia, beyond the insipid grasp of the idiot-child socialist wonderland you call the EU, I find the currently weak US$ to be quite convenient ----------
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theteck
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:39:00 -
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why i pay with gtc because i buy in us and have to pay less than cnd dollar
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:40:00 -
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CA dolla ftw! I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
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Celvice Klein
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.20 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Celvice Klein on 20/10/2007 17:03:54
Originally by: Tortun Nahme CA dolla ftw!
I was just about to say that. Not too long ago we woulda been paying close to $25 CDN, now we're down to $14.6 CDN. A high-school dropout can make more than that in an hour if he/she's a good worker (in north Alberta or Red Deer, atleast).
As for the US vs euro cost, there would be a lot more complicated calculations to figure out the true cost to the customer (e.g. monthly cost as % of per capita income for the demographic that constitutes the majority of the player base or some fancy thing like that).
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 17:10:00 -
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Grande Prairie REPRESENT! lol
BTW Red Deer sucks I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
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