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Audrea
Veto. Academy Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.31 23:46:00 -
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Well I havent used domi in quite a long time, especially since NOS nerf.. now I decided to try and fit it.. and for my surprise, I find out its UN*****BLE!
Lets go over the ship:
"Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level."
Ok, so we lets try fitting it: 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II=1208*6=~7248PG (with skill AWU4 - as most pilots).100MN MWD Tech2 - 1375PGHeavy Cap booster II - 1925PGLarge ARmor REpairer II - 2300PG
Lets sum it up shall we? 7248+1375+1925+2300=12,848, BEFORE any other modules like shields etc!! (Ship's grid is only 11,250!) Thats a difference of 1,598PG(!) to try to fit the base for ship's bonuses! without anything else! Even one Reactor Control Unit isn't enough! 12,375PG)
Now, some might say things like 'use rigs'!
But, have you forgotten, rigs are not a must! ships are designed to fit their roles WITHOUT needing any rigs!!
Or, as CCP devs put it in one of the blogs describing rigs (I remember that, before they came out): "Rigs would be like implants for ships".. -since when do we need implants to make a standard (not pimped with expensive modules to lower/increase stats!!) ship fitting in accordance with its bonuses?
Well I hope Dominix user here would agree..
May I be the first to say..
/signed! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626503 |
omiNATION
Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation
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Posted - 2007.10.31 23:51:00 -
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urm... lose the MWD?
also no? skills and modules are supposed to be balanced with a progession for better fits with more skills more isk. rigs are a compensation implant, You want more of A gotta get rid of some B, the grid/cap/egress ones are just specialization bonuses, nothing else.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.10.31 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Last Wolf on 31/10/2007 23:55:45 Edited by: Last Wolf on 31/10/2007 23:54:18 Use medium cap booster. Problem solved.
Edit: I'm also almost positive the Devs meant for the Domi to be shield tanked gank ship. It has TONS of CPU.
For instance. One day (for ****s and giggles) I made a domi with an X-large shield AND dual armor repper tank. Not really any pratical use but it fit. Hardners and all. (though i think highs had medium guns)
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Incantare
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.31 23:51:00 -
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No. The dominix's grid is gimped for balance reasons. With neutrons it is the second most damaging battleship, that's perfectly fine since it is paper thin when fitting them. Give it more grid and it becomes easier to gank fit to do a stupid amount of dps, all for 60 million.
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.31 23:53:00 -
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Its almost like they designed it that way. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer |
Verone
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Posted - 2007.10.31 23:55:00 -
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lollarcoastar, I ♥ mai training nublarz
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.31 23:57:00 -
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Fix the domi right after you fix the phoon. Fix the phoon after you fix the Apoc.
That's all.
Liang
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.31 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Fix the domi right after you fix the phoon. Fix the phoon after you fix the Apoc.
That's all.
Liang
Phoon will be BAD ASS after the torp buff. Mark my words ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer |
Audrea
Veto. Academy Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:01:00 -
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Med cap booster? why not fit medium blasters while we are at it?
Originally by: omiNATION urm... lose the MWD?
also no? skills and modules are supposed to be balanced with a progession for better fits with more skills more isk. rigs are a compensation implant, You want more of A gotta get rid of some B, the grid/cap/egress ones are just specialization bonuses, nothing else.
The whole blaster philosophy is based on MWD...
Well I think rigs should be optional upgrade, not a must for basic ssetup (I didnt even try fitting ions,not to mention neutrons!)
I think every ship in the game has 'standard' fit which works well wish its bonuses.. Deimos can fit blasters, mwd and repper without RCU in lows (after fix), so why not Domi?
Originally by: Incantare No. The dominix's grid is gimped for balance reasons. With neutrons it is the second most damaging battleship, that's perfectly fine since it is paper thin when fitting them. Give it more grid and it becomes easier to gank fit to do a stupid amount of dps, all for 60 million.
Well then change bonuses for Neutrons or something.. the ship shouldnt be gimped on its basic setup that supports its bonuses... all I ask is that Electrons can be fitted in that setup.. then its fine that Neutrons cant so easily. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626503 |
shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea Med cap booster? why not fit medium blasters while we are at it?
Originally by: omiNATION urm... lose the MWD?
also no? skills and modules are supposed to be balanced with a progession for better fits with more skills more isk. rigs are a compensation implant, You want more of A gotta get rid of some B, the grid/cap/egress ones are just specialization bonuses, nothing else.
The whole blaster philosophy is based on MWD...
Well I think rigs should be optional upgrade, not a must for basic ssetup (I didnt even try fitting ions,not to mention neutrons!)
I think every ship in the game has 'standard' fit which works well wish its bonuses.. Deimos can fit blasters, mwd and repper without RCU in lows (after fix), so why not Domi?
Originally by: Incantare No. The dominix's grid is gimped for balance reasons. With neutrons it is the second most damaging battleship, that's perfectly fine since it is paper thin when fitting them. Give it more grid and it becomes easier to gank fit to do a stupid amount of dps, all for 60 million.
Well then change bonuses for Neutrons or something.. the ship shouldnt be gimped on its basic setup that supports its bonuses... all I ask is that Electrons can be fitted in that setup.. then its fine that Neutrons cant so easily.
When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints) ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer |
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Last Wolf on 01/11/2007 00:11:24
Originally by: Audrea
I think every ship in the game has 'standard' fit which works well wish its bonuses.. Deimos can fit blasters, mwd and repper without RCU in lows (after fix), so why not Domi?
Domi CAN fit Blasters, MWD and repper without an RCU. You're trying to fit a heavy cap booster, which is over kill for anything except dual large reppers, an abaddon, or X-large shield booster.
Sheesh, the Domi is already the number 1 noob PvP solo battleship. And you want to make it EASIER to fit?
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Fix the domi right after you fix the phoon. Fix the phoon after you fix the Apoc.
That's all.
Liang
Signed
Domi is fine.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Last Wolf on 01/11/2007 00:22:36 Edited by: Last Wolf on 01/11/2007 00:19:15
Originally by: shinsushi
When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints)
Domi, with MAX skills gets about 467 dps from Ogre II's.
Thats with BS V (30-35 day skill) drone interfacing V (20-25 day skill) Heavy drone operation V (20-25 day skill) Gallente Drone spec IV (4-6 day skill)
So yes, after 74 - 91 days of training, you can get gank tech 1 cruiser DPS
Oh, and any other ship that can field 5 heavies (Your beloved Amarrian Armageddon) can get about 250 DPS (without fitting any mods remind you!) with level IV in those skills i mentioned or 300ish dps with max skills. So a domi gets a grand total of 160ish more DPS than your "Underpowered" armageddon when both are un-fit.
Besides, shouldn't you be making another "I suck at playing Amarr, buff them!" thread?
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 01/11/2007 00:19:15
Originally by: shinsushi
When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints)
Domi, with MAX skills gets about 467 dps from Ogre II's.
Thats with BS V (30-35 day skill) drone interfacing V (20-25 day skill) Heavy drone operation V (20-25 day skill) Gallente Drone spec IV (4-6 day skill)
So yes, after 74 - 91 days of training, you can get gank tech 1 cruiser DPS
Oh, and any other ship that can field 5 heavies (Your beloved Amarrian Armageddon) can get about 250 DPS, with level IV in those skills i mentioned. So... 217 dps for 3 months of training. Soooo overpowered. Besides, shouldn't you be making another "I suck at playing Amarr, buff them!" thread?
Its actually really strong. Because you do so without fitting a single damage mod.
For instance a Domi with electron blasters and no damage mods does 900 dps. More than the Hyperion or Megathron in full tank mode. A comprable Geddon does 770 dps, and is slower.
And the Domi has 5 meds on a 7 low configuration, which makes it especially strong with supplimentary ewar.
Add in the fact that it can carry backup drones or ewar drones it makes the ship very potent.
E.G.
A domi can run
heavy Elec x 6 mwd, injec, web, scram, damp lar, ex,kin,therm, eanm, eanm, dc
A high resist based, but weak rep tank, and then if it decides to, either run 900 dps, or use ewar drones, without refitting. ECM drones + damp = one screwed target
Its not quite the best solo battleship in the game[hyperion], but it is still very strong and versitile.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:36:00 -
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Quote: Its actually really strong. Because you do so without fitting a single damage mod.
For instance a Domi with electron blasters and no damage mods does 900 dps. More than the Hyperion or Megathron in full tank mode. A comprable Geddon does 770 dps, and is slower.
And the Domi has 5 meds on a 7 low configuration, which makes it especially strong with supplimentary ewar.
Add in the fact that it can carry backup drones or ewar drones it makes the ship very potent.
E.G.
A domi can run
heavy Elec x 6 mwd, injec, web, scram, damp lar, ex,kin,therm, eanm, eanm, dc
A high resist based, but weak rep tank, and then if it decides to, either run 900 dps, or use ewar drones, without refitting. ECM drones + damp = one screwed target
Its not quite the best solo battleship in the game[hyperion], but it is still very strong and versitile.
very well said. IMO I fly gallente and the domi does not need any boost. Boost The Eagle! |
Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
very well said. IMO I fly gallente and the domi does not need any boost.
I'd like some extra grid on my domi, thank-you-very-much!
Liang
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
Yarr? |
Transcendant One
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:42:00 -
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Ipos
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:43:00 -
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- The above post sums it all up pretty well.
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TimMc
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: KD.Fluffy
very well said. IMO I fly gallente and the domi does not need any boost.
I'd like some extra grid on my domi, thank-you-very-much!
Liang
Gallente may need a boost after this patch...
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.11.01 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: KD.Fluffy
very well said. IMO I fly gallente and the domi does not need any boost.
I'd like some extra grid on my domi, thank-you-very-much!
Liang
Gallente may need a boost after this patch...
lol ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer |
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omiNATION
Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation
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Posted - 2007.11.01 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: omiNATION on 01/11/2007 01:35:53
Originally by: shinsushi
Originally by: Audrea Med cap booster? why not fit medium blasters while we are at it?
Originally by: omiNATION urm... lose the MWD?
also no? skills and modules are supposed to be balanced with a progession for better fits with more skills more isk. rigs are a compensation implant, You want more of A gotta get rid of some B, the grid/cap/egress ones are just specialization bonuses, nothing else.
The whole blaster philosophy is based on MWD...
Well I think rigs should be optional upgrade, not a must for basic ssetup (I didnt even try fitting ions,not to mention neutrons!)
I think every ship in the game has 'standard' fit which works well wish its bonuses.. Deimos can fit blasters, mwd and repper without RCU in lows (after fix), so why not Domi?
Originally by: Incantare No. The dominix's grid is gimped for balance reasons. With neutrons it is the second most damaging battleship, that's perfectly fine since it is paper thin when fitting them. Give it more grid and it becomes easier to gank fit to do a stupid amount of dps, all for 60 million.
Well then change bonuses for Neutrons or something.. the ship shouldnt be gimped on its basic setup that supports its bonuses... all I ask is that Electrons can be fitted in that setup.. then its fine that Neutrons cant so easily.
When the domi stops getting 500 DPS from its drones, alone, without fitting a mod... you might have a point. 3 waves of them too (meaning 75k in effective drone hitpoints)
That's not a basic setup, you'll note you try and fit t2 stuff on a t1 ship, then use a t1 RCU to compensate, use a t2 RCU, surprise surprise, it fits.
OP is full of fail.
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Unworldly1
Gallente Clown Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.01 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Unworldly1 on 01/11/2007 02:22:08 LOL. If anything, the Domi should be harder to fit. With the upcoming drone-scoop nerf, the domi will finally be one of the more balanced BS. I mean, as someone already pointed out: a t2 RCU will let you fit your proposed setup. What you're forgetting, of course, is that in a gang situation, even WITHOUT guns, the Domi makes a good account of itself - in that, it has approximately 500 dps, and with that, can devote its entire CPU and PG to tanking and ewar, if necessary! I fly a domi - tho currently only in PvE, and i gotta say, let it fit stuff easier and the Raven could potentially lose its place as king of PvE - i can just see someone fitting 6 425mm rails and rat specific drones and BAM :) firepower :D
So yeah, don't call attention to the Domi. The way things are going at the moment, it'll probly just get nerfed in the Devs notice it. Its fine how it is, so shut up :P
Originally by: Audrea May I be the first to say..
/signed.
You may. You'll likely also be the only one to say it. * * * "In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people unhappy and has been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, [i] |
Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.01 03:13:00 -
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As someone already stated use Medium Cap Boosters.
High: 6xElectron Blaster II
Mid: 1x100mn MWD II 1xWarp Disruptor II 1xFleeting Web 2xMedium Electrochemical Cap Booster /w 800's
Low: 1xLAR II 1xDC II 2xEANM II 3xMFS II
Rigs: Whatever
Drones: 5xOgre II Whatever
1000 dps with good skills and a weak tank.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.01 05:20:00 -
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Train some more skills ? AWU 5 perhaps if you are really short of power and still want to use reasonable guns. As I understand it CCP balances ships 'for max skills' - meaning that you should get reasonable fitting on them when you have relevant skills at lev 4 and it starts to really shine at lev 5 on relevant skills.
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Centurion1
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Posted - 2007.11.01 05:28:00 -
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This thread makes me want a shield tanked gank domi.... bad thread bad.
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Ecky X
The Aforementioned
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Posted - 2007.11.01 05:59:00 -
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Why not put some gang-support in your highslots? 2 remote reps for when you're not primary, or maybe some medium neuts?
A little known fact about dual-rep tanks - a single large (or 2 med neut) can cause you to cap out and have a partially gimped tank, or guns. -----
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.11.01 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
lollarcoastar, I ♥ mai training nublarz
LOL Verone. It's so cute.
Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
sheis
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Posted - 2007.11.01 06:04:00 -
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IR WANTS MORE GRID (i R tard)
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Incantare
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.01 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: sheis (i R tard)
Indeed.
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Lost Vagus
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Posted - 2007.11.01 07:16:00 -
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uhm, ... she's fine, shes a drone boat, you dont need the pew pew of that many large blasters, 5 is plenty, let alone t2 blasters on a dom, its just not worth the hassle,
id rather a rack of SB's and a Web and droping garde's at 15k out on the burn in to the target than sit there fiddling with t2 electrons, but thats just cooky ol' me,
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