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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:36:00 -
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This post is not meant for trolling, blaming, bashing, or just saying GOONS ARE SCAMMERS LOLOL like most of people do. This is just the whole reconstruction of my brief experience with the GoonWaffe corporation recruitment center.
It all started the 30th of January, I had left my old corporation a couple of days before and i started looking for a new one in the recruitment channel. After about 15 minutes of advertising, i got approached by Tyish, that told me that he tought I could have been a nice addition to his corporation. After a bit of talking about my past, my aims, and his alliance operations, he told me that, if I wanted to join the corp, I would have had to give the corporation an anti-espionage deposit, that would have been given back to me after 30 days of correct behaviour, which is fair considering what happened to them some time ago, and that it would have been calculated based on the chanche I could have been a spy after checking my API. after that, he told me to apply at this site: www.goonfleet.net, and so I did. after about 5 minutes, by checking my application status (and just as my recruiter had explained me), a message popped, telling me i had to transfer 500m to Tyish to pay my deposit. After like 5 minutes of more talking, another guy, testobjekt, joined the conversation. He claimed to be Cadence Redwood's alt, I checked that toon's info and found out he's the recruitment director or something. He explained me that there was an error on the deposit, it was not 500mil, but it was calculated on my total assets value, and I had to give them a total of 25% of that value, which is 3.25bil. At this point I smelled a scam, but after thinking well about it, I decided to pay the rest of the money for 2 reasons. 1. I was contacted from the recruitment channel. It clearly states that it can't even be used as a platform to find targets to scam. 2. Risk vs isk. Even if there was only a 1% chanche of finally getting myself into some REAL multiplayer eve experience, it was well worth it. As instructed, I transfered the money to Cadence Redwood. After they checked that I had actually transfered the money, the conversation ended with testobjekt telling me that within 24h i would have recieved my forum login details.
The day after, 31st January, I logged in to find a mail from testobjekt, telling me that there were some issues on my application, and to contact him as soon as possible. So that's it, I convoed him, and he explained me that, after a deeper inspection of my evemails, some issues had been found. Having played alone for so much time, I'm really not the most experienced players in the world, but basicly they found proof of 2 things: one was just a misunderstanding (that i can explain, bout would only make this post longer), the other one was about a conversation i had, while i was in my old corporation, with our war targets. I explained them that I was invited to an already happening conversation started from a joke in our own corp channel, and that we had a discussion about planetary interaction, industrial ship fittings, and weather in northern europe, and the mail they had found was just about me apologizing to the CEO, as, even if I hadn't leaked any kind of intel to our war targets, I still had had a convo with them. So, testobjekt told me that he would have spoken about that to his superiors, and that he would have given me more news as soon as he could.
Third and last day, 1st February, i got contacted by testobjekt and Li Malak, who claimed to be another person involved in recruiting. He basicly interviewed me more deeply about the same topics I had with testobjekt the day before, and after about 1 hour of talking, he took about 15 minutes to talk with his superiors, and after returning, he told me that they would have got me in only if I had payed them MORE money, as my deposit went from 25% of my total assets, to 75% of it, which is basicly, another 6,5 billion isk. At this point the situation really looked pathetic to me, and I refused to pay. When I asked them if I would ever have seen my initial deposit(s) back, they told me that, if in 60 days I wouldn't have joined any corporation and/or alliance that they were involved in fighting, I would have recieved my deposit back, basicly transforming my 'anti-espionage deposit' into a sort of blackmail.
I've alraedy petitioned CCP about all that happened, as I personally see it as a scam and I was contacted from the recruitment channel, and i'm currently waiting for their reply, even if I'm quite sure I'm not going to see a single isk of that sum again. What I can tell you is, that if you are thinking about joining Goonswarm... Think twice about it. then, everyone is free to make their own conclusions about this. |
Liam Mirren
215
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:37:00 -
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Damnit goons, stop having fun! If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Dyaven
43
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:40:00 -
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lolgoons |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
552
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:42:00 -
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If you were contacted from the recruitment channel, you may have a case.
Otherwise, sorry for your loss.
And no I didn't read all of it, don't have time. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4749
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:42:00 -
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Fun fact. If you google GÇ£join goonswarmGÇ¥, this page is probably among the top results (if not the top result, subject to google's personal search customization). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:48:00 -
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tl;dr
"I tried to join goons and got scammed. I am now petitioning CCP for being scammed. "
I hope you are sitting in a very comfortable chair when you get the response to that petition, and there are no sharp objects within reach.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Sasha Khaine
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:49:00 -
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Hey kids, it's that age old clich+¬!
A fool and his money are easily parted.
Though a fool and his money are lucky enough to be together in the first place which seems true in this instance. So don't feel too bad when they lose it ^^
Seriously... you paid someone 3bil in the hopes you could join their corporation. I wouldn't call this a scam, I would call it a game well played by the recipients. |
Bayushi Tamago
Solar Deliberative Games of Divinity
23
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:49:00 -
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Do your research next time? Also, RE: Recruitment channel thing: I'm pretty sure they have to have contacted you in the recruitment channel, as opposed to spawn a private conversation because you were in recruitment channel (unless they admit the channel as the source) in order to get your stuff back because of that. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:50:00 -
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How can you have played long enough to accumulate 12+ Billion and still now know about the Goon recruitment scam? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1872
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:50:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:If you were contacted from the recruitment channel, you may have a case.
Otherwise, sorry for your loss.
And no I didn't read all of it, don't have time.
it's pretty sad that CCP is going down the route of forbidding scams andski for csm7~ |
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
210
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Fun fact. If you google GÇ£join goonswarmGÇ¥, this page is probably among the top results (if not the top result, subject to google's personal search customization).
lol so let me get this right. You are not supposed to scam players from the recruitment channel, which is what they do, yet, Goons can do it anyway w/o any reprocussions?
Ha, thats some funny ****. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
552
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:52:00 -
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Andski wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:If you were contacted from the recruitment channel, you may have a case.
Otherwise, sorry for your loss.
And no I didn't read all of it, don't have time. it's pretty sad that CCP is going down the route of forbidding scams Not really, the only thing that has changed is they added one channel tot he "no scamming" list. |
Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:52:00 -
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Cause I've always played alone! but I do agree on the other message a fool and his money are easily parted. I clearly deserve it this time |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
308
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:54:00 -
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Wyke Mossari wrote: How can you have played long enough to accumulate 12+ Billion and still now know that about the Goon recruitment scam?
I was thinking the same thing. Slippery buggers those goons. lol Welcome to eve? All GëíGêçGëí Ships | GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá | <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game
FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4749
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:54:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:lol so let me get this right. You are not supposed to scam players from the recruitment channel, which is what they do, yet, Goons can do it anyway w/o any reprocussions? That all depends.
What are the rules of the recruitment channel, more precisely? How did they recruit scam him? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
BBJ Shepard
184
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:55:00 -
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Maxx86 wrote:This post is not meant for trolling, blaming, bashing, or just saying GOONS ARE SCAMMERS LOLOL like most of people do. This is just the whole reconstruction of my brief experience with the GoonWaffe corporation recruitment center. It all started the 30th of January, I had left my old corporation a couple of days before and i started looking for a new one in the recruitment channel. After about 15 minutes of advertising, i got approached by Tyish, that told me that he tought I could have been a nice addition to his corporation. After a bit of talking about my past, my aims, and his alliance operations, he told me that, if I wanted to join the corp, I would have had to give the corporation an anti-espionage deposit, that would have been given back to me after 30 days of correct behaviour, which is fair considering what happened to them some time ago, and that it would have been calculated based on the chanche I could have been a spy after checking my API. after that, he told me to apply at this site: www.goonfleet.net, and so I did. after about 5 minutes, by checking my application status (and just as my recruiter had explained me), a message popped, telling me i had to transfer 500m to Tyish to pay my deposit. After like 5 minutes of more talking, another guy, testobjekt, joined the conversation. He claimed to be Cadence Redwood's alt, I checked that toon's info and found out he's the recruitment director or something. He explained me that there was an error on the deposit, it was not 500mil, but it was calculated on my total assets value, and I had to give them a total of 25% of that value, which is 3.25bil. At this point I smelled a scam, but after thinking well about it, I decided to pay the rest of the money for 2 reasons. 1. I was contacted from the recruitment channel. It clearly states that it can't even be used as a platform to find targets to scam. 2. Risk vs isk. Even if there was only a 1% chanche of finally getting myself into some REAL multiplayer eve experience, it was well worth it. As instructed, I transfered the money to Cadence Redwood. After they checked that I had actually transfered the money, the conversation ended with testobjekt telling me that within 24h i would have recieved my forum login details. The day after, 31st January, I logged in to find a mail from testobjekt, telling me that there were some issues on my application, and to contact him as soon as possible. So that's it, I convoed him, and he explained me that, after a deeper inspection of my evemails, some issues had been found. Having played alone for so much time, I'm really not the most experienced players in the world, but basicly they found proof of 2 things: one was just a misunderstanding (that i can explain, bout would only make this post longer), the other one was about a conversation i had, while i was in my old corporation, with our war targets. I explained them that I was invited to an already happening conversation started from a joke in our own corp channel, and that we had a discussion about planetary interaction, industrial ship fittings, and weather in northern europe, and the mail they had found was just about me apologizing to the CEO, as, even if I hadn't leaked any kind of intel to our war targets, I still had had a convo with them. So, testobjekt told me that he would have spoken about that to his superiors, and that he would have given me more news as soon as he could. Third and last day, 1st February, i got contacted by testobjekt and Li Malak, who claimed to be another person involved in recruiting. He basicly interviewed me more deeply about the same topics I had with testobjekt the day before, and after about 1 hour of talking, he took about 15 minutes to talk with his superiors, and after returning, he told me that they would have got me in only if I had payed them MORE money, as my deposit went from 25% of my total assets, to 75% of it, which is basicly, another 6,5 billion isk. At this point the situation really looked pathetic to me, and I refused to pay. When I asked them if I would ever have seen my initial deposit(s) back, they told me that, if in 60 days I wouldn't have joined any corporation and/or alliance that they were involved in fighting, I would have recieved my deposit back, basicly transforming my 'anti-espionage deposit' into a sort of blackmail. I've alraedy petitioned CCP about all that happened, as I personally see it as a scam and I was contacted from the recruitment channel, and i'm currently waiting for their reply, even if I'm quite sure I'm not going to see a single isk of that sum again. What I can tell you is, that if you are thinking about joining Goonswarm... Think twice about it. then, everyone is free to make their own conclusions about this.
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Sasha Khaine
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:56:00 -
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Maxx86 wrote:Cause I've always played alone! but I do agree on the other message a fool and his money are easily parted. I clearly deserve it this time
Well, I guess it happens to everyone eventually
Chin up and be a bit more careful next time! |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:56:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Tippia wrote:Fun fact. If you google GÇ£join goonswarmGÇ¥, this page is probably among the top results (if not the top result, subject to google's personal search customization). lol so let me get this right. You are not supposed to scam players from the recruitment channel, which is what they do, yet, Goons can do it anyway w/o any reprocussions? Ha, thats some funny ****.
You missed one small thing. "you're not allowed to scam people IN the recruitment channel." He clearly wasn't scammed, much less IN the recruitment channel.
Stop screwing up your app, and I'll personally look into this. |
Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:58:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Tippia wrote:Fun fact. If you google GÇ£join goonswarmGÇ¥, this page is probably among the top results (if not the top result, subject to google's personal search customization). lol so let me get this right. You are not supposed to scam players from the recruitment channel, which is what they do, yet, Goons can do it anyway w/o any reprocussions? Ha, thats some funny ****. You missed one small thing. "you're not allowed to scam people IN the recruitment channel." He clearly wasn't scammed, much less IN the recruitment channel. Stop screwing up your app, and I'll personally look into this.
It also says that it's also forbidden to use the recruitment channel as a platform to locate target players to scam |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
129
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:59:00 -
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I applied to Goons. I'll get back to you. |
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Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1117
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:01:00 -
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If you look at the recruitment section of the Goon's webpage, you'll see that the proper way to join is to sign up for the something awful forums and be semi-active for 3 months. Or be the BFF of a Goonswarm member. The scam you fell for is explicitly described on their recruitment page. |
Tore Vest
179
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:02:00 -
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I cant understand why ppl want to join goonswarm... Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
FeralShadow
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
47
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:02:00 -
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Pretty sure it says "from". whatever, it's well known you dont freaking give money to people wanting to recruit you. Especially not goons. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1870
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:06:00 -
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The thing about that stupid recruitment channel rule is that it's a one-way street. You can't scam people looking for corps to join, but it's perfectly fine to join one through there and rob them blind. You can also recruit idiots with false promises of what will happen once they DO join, and just farm them for taxes and minerals, as long as you're not naughty enough to scam them without accepting them into a corp. The double standards are appalling~ andski for csm7~ |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:08:00 -
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Andski wrote:The thing about that stupid recruitment channel rule is that it's a one-way street. You can't scam people looking for corps to join, but it's perfectly fine to join one through there and rob them blind. You can also recruit idiots with false promises of what will happen once they DO join, and just farm them for taxes and minerals, as long as you're not naughty enough to scam them without accepting them into a corp. The double standards are appalling~
You sound like an expert on the subject Andski.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids
129
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:13:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:I cant understand why ppl want to join goonswarm...
You know you are a closet goony at heart.
I just want it on my history sheet so people will see I was a former goony and be like "damn, he's a former goony, we need him in our alliance".
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
324
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:19:00 -
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ENOUGH ABOUT GOONS YOU FLIPPIN' PEOPLE JEBUS CRIMINY CRAST
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:20:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
I just want it on my history sheet so people will see I was a former goony and be like "damn, he's a former goony, we need to keep him out of our alliance".
/What would actually happen.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2154
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:22:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:I cant understand why ppl want to join goonswarm... someone just gave 9b isk to one of our members because he was in goonswarm
why do you think |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
291
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:23:00 -
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If you want to be in GoonWaffe, are eligable to join and follow the publically doccumented recruitment process correctly you won't have a problem getting in.
It isn't brain surgery. |
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Skydell
Space Mermaids
129
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:33:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Skydell wrote:
I just want it on my history sheet so people will see I was a former goony and be like "damn, he's a former goony, we need to keep him out of our alliance".
/What would actually happen.
U just jelly. No free intell for you.
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Conrad Makbure
Division One Security
7
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:45:00 -
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Ten ******* steps and the process has it's own Wikipedia entry? Holy mother of ****. When doth thy cycle endith. |
Arbiter Reformed
Saiph Industries SRS.
37
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:52:00 -
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can you imagine actually having to read SA for 3 months
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
752
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:53:00 -
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I dont know whats funnier, the op or the fact that people still fall for this scam.
NO ONE READS THE GOON WIKI!! To Be a good you have to be a member of the something awful community for at least 6 months and even then you need a sponsor. |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:59:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:I dont know whats funnier, the op or the fact that people still fall for this scam.
NO ONE READS THE GOON WIKI!! To Be a good you have to be a member of the something awful community for at least 6 months and even then you need a sponsor.
They keep cropping up on the C&P forum these kind of posts.
Be easier to simply place a warning message in the tutorials as opposed to having a regular awareness exercise for new players however.
Just put "Goons" = "Manipulative scammers" in the buisness tutorial somehwere, problem solved. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4749
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:00:00 -
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Conrad Makbure wrote:Ten ******* steps and the process has it's own Wikipedia entry? Holy mother of ****. When doth thy cycle endith. Judging by the constant stream of people in the SA recruitment thread that fails to read the instructions, the cycle never ends, and Lowtax can probably put both kids and grandkids through college on the amount of failed EVE applicants aloneGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
83
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Conrad Makbure wrote:Ten ******* steps and the process has it's own Wikipedia entry? Holy mother of ****. When doth thy cycle endith. Judging by the constant stream of people in the SA recruitment thread that fails to read the instructions, the cycle never ends, and Lowtax can probably put both kids and grandkids through college on the amount of failed EVE applicants aloneGǪ
Which explains goonswarm Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:16:00 -
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Given the Goons perceived rep what attracted you to them?
What happened is what makes them love to be hated. Bit perplexed by your decision to go public. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2774
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:20:00 -
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i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me:
Quote:INBOX Remove Label
Hey Mittani i got a few things i would like to tell you so if you would please take the time to read it trugh i would be honored. I know you are a busy man so ill go straight to it.
About a Week agoe i was aproached by a corp member of you called Third Flower he was nice and friendly and told me about GoonWaffe and the many opotunitys if i were to apply and get acceptet into the corperation. he seemed nice and spoke very good for the Goons.
so after a few talks i desitet to try and apply i followed the instructions Third flower gave me and made the saftey deposit as instructet both for me 650mill and for my brother Ina Rawberry 500 mill in total 1.15 bill for me that was quite a bit of isk and would take me some time to earn that back in high sec, but i took the chance. After a days or so i could see my aplication were acceptet on the goonfleet site and tought yer that was nice. But then nothing happend and after 3-4 days i contactet Third flower again asking why nothing happend yet as the payment already were acceptet. He dosnt know and asks for help from a director thats where the man Testobjekt comes into the picture and it goes down hill from there. I know you got strict ruels and such and i totaly understand that, but he starts to question me with a wery offensive and angry aproach, and we come up with that i need to pay atleast 75% of all my assets in deposit for joining so in good heart and trush in this guy and third flower i start trying tog ather the 2,6 bill more he wants from me and my brother. it takes a few hrs and its ready.
But then somthing happends Third flower sends me a mail that i dont really pay atention to but later i get to know it contains the info of a 100 bill cargo from VFK to jita and the time of departure, that ofc is very clasafied info. and Testobjekt gets very mad and we are told that our aplications have been canceled and we are blacklistet from goons cus of Third flowers mistake. After a bit of talk again he agrees that we still have a chance of joining again but to do that we would be required to give the rest bit of assets we have including 2x t3's with subsystems. I talk it over with my bro and he agrees we still very much want to be a part of this and experience war on a scale we cant anywhere in the game so we agrees and call it a night after the transfer. Then this morning i talk to Testobjekt again and he tells me its not enough and gives me a fine for a reason i dont know. The fine is 500 mill that i have to pay before 14.00 eve time and he tells me after that i can join, so i do my best but ends up short i use every last drop i have to try and make it and ends up with 250 mill and we discuss it and he tells me to pay it to him and after i join i get a new fine of 1bill.
Then downtime hits and afterwards he tells me its off and if i want a chance i need to get new 500 mill so the Gia have told him.
but after giving away ca 7.5 bill in assets i got no more and have to tell him i cant:
Thats pretty much it and im wondering if thats the way Goonwaffe do rip honest ppl off who wish to join their ranks and fight along side of them. Right now i feel ripped off and buttfucked was in good belife the hole way but was clearly desived. so would very much like to know if thats it thers no chance of Goonswarm for me ever and i will have to start all over again and spent years to build up what i had, or are there any chance i can get back what i gave in good belif to join your ranks or is everything gone for me
Really hope u took the time to read this
o7 Pilot Rave Terris
i think this is the op's alt The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:26:00 -
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Maxx86 wrote:but I do agree on the other message a fool and his money are easily parted. I clearly deserve it this time
That's the spirit! ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
86
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:28:00 -
[41] - Quote
Welcome to EVE in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
129
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:30:00 -
[42] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: Pointless drivel
Just get in game and accept my indoctrination you tool
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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:32:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: Quote:INBOX Remove Label
Hey Mittani i got a few things i would like to tell you so if you would please take the time to read it trugh i would be honored. I know you are a busy man so ill go straight to it.
About a Week agoe i was aproached by a corp member of you called Third Flower he was nice and friendly and told me about GoonWaffe and the many opotunitys if i were to apply and get acceptet into the corperation. he seemed nice and spoke very good for the Goons.
so after a few talks i desitet to try and apply i followed the instructions Third flower gave me and made the saftey deposit as instructet both for me 650mill and for my brother Ina Rawberry 500 mill in total 1.15 bill for me that was quite a bit of isk and would take me some time to earn that back in high sec, but i took the chance. After a days or so i could see my aplication were acceptet on the goonfleet site and tought yer that was nice. But then nothing happend and after 3-4 days i contactet Third flower again asking why nothing happend yet as the payment already were acceptet. He dosnt know and asks for help from a director thats where the man Testobjekt comes into the picture and it goes down hill from there. I know you got strict ruels and such and i totaly understand that, but he starts to question me with a wery offensive and angry aproach, and we come up with that i need to pay atleast 75% of all my assets in deposit for joining so in good heart and trush in this guy and third flower i start trying tog ather the 2,6 bill more he wants from me and my brother. it takes a few hrs and its ready.
But then somthing happends Third flower sends me a mail that i dont really pay atention to but later i get to know it contains the info of a 100 bill cargo from VFK to jita and the time of departure, that ofc is very clasafied info. and Testobjekt gets very mad and we are told that our aplications have been canceled and we are blacklistet from goons cus of Third flowers mistake. After a bit of talk again he agrees that we still have a chance of joining again but to do that we would be required to give the rest bit of assets we have including 2x t3's with subsystems. I talk it over with my bro and he agrees we still very much want to be a part of this and experience war on a scale we cant anywhere in the game so we agrees and call it a night after the transfer. Then this morning i talk to Testobjekt again and he tells me its not enough and gives me a fine for a reason i dont know. The fine is 500 mill that i have to pay before 14.00 eve time and he tells me after that i can join, so i do my best but ends up short i use every last drop i have to try and make it and ends up with 250 mill and we discuss it and he tells me to pay it to him and after i join i get a new fine of 1bill.
Then downtime hits and afterwards he tells me its off and if i want a chance i need to get new 500 mill so the Gia have told him.
but after giving away ca 7.5 bill in assets i got no more and have to tell him i cant:
Thats pretty much it and im wondering if thats the way Goonwaffe do rip honest ppl off who wish to join their ranks and fight along side of them. Right now i feel ripped off and buttfucked was in good belife the hole way but was clearly desived. so would very much like to know if thats it thers no chance of Goonswarm for me ever and i will have to start all over again and spent years to build up what i had, or are there any chance i can get back what i gave in good belif to join your ranks or is everything gone for me
Really hope u took the time to read this
o7 Pilot Rave Terris i think this is the op's alt
I do run jita scams with my alt... but this is just insane...
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Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1117
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:33:00 -
[44] - Quote
Serge Bastana wrote:Welcome to EVE
I was there? |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
129
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:41:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ok, I joined Somethin Awfull Forums
Now what? |
Thassel Shaile
The Royal Guard Imperial Hull Tankers
1
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:43:00 -
[46] - Quote
Make 300 posts a day for the next 3 months and your good to sign up.
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
59
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:47:00 -
[47] - Quote
The stupid police are alive and well and living in Goon swarm....
By the way...if any of you guys have been ripped of by Goons, i provide a service that is guaranteed to get your money back....i just need a 5 bil retainer and ill get your money back....contact me in game.
You never know, it might work |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4751
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:50:00 -
[48] - Quote
Thassel Shaile wrote:Make 300 posts a day for the next 3 months and your good to sign up. GǪalso, stay away from the recruitment thread until some time after that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
129
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:51:00 -
[49] - Quote
robbyx wrote:The stupid police are alive and well and living in Goon swarm.... By the way...if any of you guys have been ripped of by Goons, i provide a service that is guaranteed to get your money back....i just need a 5 bil retainer and ill get your money back....contact me in game. You never know, it might work
No, he lies.
If you want to be a goony you need to join my alliance. Stop scamming people.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:53:00 -
[50] - Quote
Quote: Right now i feel ripped off and buttfucked was in good belife the hole way but was clearly desived.
not empty quoting
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Mardero
8
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:59:00 -
[51] - Quote
On a totally unrelated note, does anyone know how much somethingawful.com makes in profits? It is a great business model to say the least. I might try a "me, too" version some time in the future. |
Jaehawn
AirHogs Zulu People
1
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:02:00 -
[52] - Quote
It doesn't take brains to get 12b isk just plex. Its a sandbox you got scammed game working as intended. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:02:00 -
[53] - Quote
Mardero wrote:On a totally unrelated note, does anyone know how much somethingawful.com makes in profits? It is a great business model to say the least. I might try a "me, too" version some time in the future. will your forum give great cooking advice?
if not GTFO
(I'm not a member of GSF but Debate & Discussion and Goons With Spoons are imo two seriously good SA subforums; the SA "business model" is pretty much the same as all the newfangled "web 2.0" "user-created content" stuff - make people pay you for the privilege of being allowed to create the content other people pay to consume. But the audience it attracts and the culture of putting some effort into providing a solid base for your threads are special in a good way.) |
gfldex
308
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:03:00 -
[54] - Quote
Is it monday again? The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Wall of Shadow
805
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:07:00 -
[55] - Quote
Mittani,
I doubt that due to the horrible difference in grammar between OP and that mail. Oh jolly, I am looking forward till the day goons die. Not for any particular reason just to see the destruction and then of course laugh at the headless chicken that runs around even though it has no head.
I do adore goons, I do love them and I do hate them. I think we should get together someday and have sex... Just saying. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Aggressive Nutmeg
104
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:07:00 -
[56] - Quote
The only positive in this story is that you stopped before giving them another 6.5B.
Oh, the other positive is that you remain a proud non-member of goons. You might be an idiot but at least you still have your soul and integrity. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Dystopia Arkaral
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:10:00 -
[57] - Quote
So this is why GM's have been popping into the recruitment channel telling people to report characters/corps who ask for isk to join corps
Also note the other scam being run by several characters is to say hey you are in and we will help you to move your stuff via a jump freighter. Just contract all your stuff to us and we will
They then do a runner with your loot. They have tried that one on me 3 times now
Goon are nothing but scammers, I wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw one.
But the other saying "A fool and thier ISK will soon be
kean Sheenan (or something close is one of the main scammers) |
Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:18:00 -
[58] - Quote
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:The only positive in this story is that you stopped before giving them another 6.5B. Oh, the other positive is that you remain a proud non-member of goons. You might be an idiot but at least you still have your soul and integrity.
well... but what could i think? I mean, there's a nice red message that pops when you enter the recruitment channel. It says this:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
I kind of felt that it was safe. The part i've underlined is quite hard to manipulate/misunderstand
But that's it, some times i forget the "trust no one" rule of this game XD |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:23:00 -
[59] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
I kind of felt that it was safe. The part i've underlined is quite hard to manipulate/misunderstand
But that's it, some times i forget the "trust no one" rule of this game XD
deal described in OP was quite obviously finalized outside the recruitment channel |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1117
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:23:00 -
[60] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:
well... but what could i think? I mean, there's a nice red message that pops when you enter the recruitment channel. It says this:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
The part I bolded could be used by CCP as justification to ignore this issue.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:25:00 -
[61] - Quote
Skydell wrote:The Mittani wrote: Pointless drivel Just get in game and accept my indoctrination you tool I think the point is the OP was trying to get into the communist regime.
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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:26:00 -
[62] - Quote
I alraedy know that i'm not going to see a single isk of what i've been scammed for (see OP) XD But i still hope some actions are going to be taken to punish the trasgresser... Unless Goons are allowed to do whatever they want and ignore all the rules in this game, ofc |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
130
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:32:00 -
[63] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Skydell wrote:The Mittani wrote: Pointless drivel Just get in game and accept my indoctrination you tool I think the point is the OP was trying to get into the communist regime.
I guess that means I aint getting my billion ISK back for this stoopid alliance? Man, I got scammed
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
572
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:38:00 -
[64] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Skydell wrote:The Mittani wrote: Pointless drivel Just get in game and accept my indoctrination you tool I think the point is the OP was trying to get into the communist regime.
He could have just joined TEST like all the other spies and newbros. We're communists, too. |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1117
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 00:01:00 -
[65] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:I alraedy know that i'm not going to see a single isk of what i've been scammed for (see OP) XD But i still hope some actions are going to be taken to punish the trasgresser... Unless Goons are allowed to do whatever they want and ignore all the rules in this game, ofc
Well, I guess you make them watch 5 minutes of Sailor Moon. Any more than that would be cruel and unusual punishment. |
Brock Nelson
327
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:07:00 -
[66] - Quote
Fun fact: To join Goonswarm, you need to join Reddit and respond to their recruitment ad in the gaming forum. I'm a isk *****, bitches love isk |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
175
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:17:00 -
[67] - Quote
I find it absolutely AMAZING that people fall for this stuff.....
I also find it absolutely abhorrant how thoroughly you can destroy a player by doing this...
I don't think you're breaking the rules, but I think you go too far.....
With your style of gameplay, EvE really needs a better warning label:
Quote:Warning, EvE is dystopic universe where both the angelic and diabolic live and thrive. While there are some consequences for aggression, safety is completely your own responsibility. White collar crimes like scamming are both allowed and common, occassionally leaving a victim betrayed, broke, and profoundly hurt. If you are a compassionate person, have a tendency to trust others, and try to live by a moral or ethical code, then this game might destroy the essence of your soul!
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
437
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:18:00 -
[68] - Quote
Brock Nelson wrote:Fun fact: To join Goonswarm, you need to join Reddit and respond to their recruitment ad in the gaming forum.
Stop giving false advice.
You have to make a hundred posts on Something Awful and at least 10 of them must be in the newbie drive thread. |
Palmput
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
15
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:21:00 -
[69] - Quote
9 times out of 10, you don't join a CFC alliance/corp through Eve. Goons are from Somethingawful, Test is from Reddit, etc. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
307
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:27:00 -
[70] - Quote
If it says "goons" any where near by, it is a scam. Welcome to Eve. |
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1050
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:31:00 -
[71] - Quote
morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
8
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:43:00 -
[72] - Quote
I want to join too. Send me an eve-mail with more info on how to join. I got 500 mil ready. Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
Phoehnix
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
22
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:44:00 -
[73] - Quote
join 99%, no reg fee's, no scams, shoot goons all you want, if you don't know how, we'll teach you =) |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
574
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:46:00 -
[74] - Quote
Phoehnix wrote:join 99%, no reg fee's, no scams, shoot goons all you want, if you don't know how, we'll teach you =)
99% is basically TEST Lite Lite, TEST Lite being TEST Friends Please Ignore. |
Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
41
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:51:00 -
[75] - Quote
tl;dr. Another idiot that pays a fee to join a corp.
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Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
206
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:52:00 -
[76] - Quote
Op is a goon alt.
Nobodies that stupid.
C.
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Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
206
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: Quote: Some made up stuff i think this is the op's alt
Fabricated. He spells 'belife' and then 'belif' for example and in places the syntax scans fine and in others it has clearly been forced into appearing that the writer has a low level of literacy.
Nice try though.
C.
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
46
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
how people even keep trying to join them is hilarious, and quite sad at the same time On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Ai Shun
220
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:10:00 -
[79] - Quote
Cailais wrote:Fabricated. He spells 'belife' and then 'belif' for example and in places the syntax scans fine and in others it has clearly been forced into appearing that the writer has a low level of literacy.
Cailais wrote:Nobodies that stupid.
Yes, dear.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
130
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:32:00 -
[80] - Quote
EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:I want to join too. Send me an eve-mail with more info on how to join. I got 500 mil ready.
You need to join my alliance.
I will require a 2 billion ISK processing fee.
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Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
159
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:47:00 -
[81] - Quote
Loves reading obvious goon alts loling... James Hetfield, can you please hit the bottle again and make good music? |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1117
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 01:49:00 -
[82] - Quote
Skydell wrote:EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:I want to join too. Send me an eve-mail with more info on how to join. I got 500 mil ready. You need to join my alliance. I will require a 2 billion ISK processing fee.
I'll process Goonwaffe applicants for 1999999999.99 isk. |
Brock Nelson
327
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:57:00 -
[83] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Brock Nelson wrote:Fun fact: To join Goonswarm, you need to join Reddit and respond to their recruitment ad in the gaming forum. Stop giving false advice. You have to make a hundred posts on Something Awful and at least 10 of them must be in the newbie drive thread.
I'm merely attempting to divert idiots from joining Goonswarm I'm a isk *****, bitches love isk |
Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:15:00 -
[84] - Quote
You all guys speaking like there are so many people that live to join goons... lol. That's not my case! And i guess that's not the case of most people. what I'm after is a corporation that can offer me some GOOD multiplayer experience, and with GOOD i mean frequently happening pvp (pvp is NOT station games from high sec wardecks. even Farmville is funnier than that), and all the industrial jobs that require a good amount of players to cooperate together. I was advertising that in what should be a scam free channel, and got approached by this goons recruiters. But it could have been just any other recruited from any other corp/alliance that could offer me the same thing, it's not like I want to join goons at all. Well, at least I've learned from my mistake. Just, now, I don't know what I could do to look for a corporation without being worried about people that are just going after my wallet, lol. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:37:00 -
[85] - Quote
Andski wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:If you were contacted from the recruitment channel, you may have a case.
Otherwise, sorry for your loss.
And no I didn't read all of it, don't have time. it's pretty sad that CCP is going down the route of forbidding scams
Well, there's gameplay scam but at some point it's a detriment to the game itself. And yes, some people need to be protected from themselves and the goons. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
625
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
You wasted CCP's time with the petition... You decided NOT to do your research and as such paid the price.
Goons ONLY allow people who are active (Paying if I am not mistaken) members of the forums they come from. Get that through your thick skull. Anything else is a pure scam.
#2 The alarm bells should ring the MOMENT anyone asks for a deposit. You paid therefore you failed. Case closed. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
439
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:11:00 -
[87] - Quote
My experience with joining GoonWaffe is that it's pretty ******* awesome.
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
43
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:13:00 -
[88] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Skydell wrote:The Mittani wrote: Pointless drivel Just get in game and accept my indoctrination you tool I think the point is the OP was trying to get into the communist regime.
Typical exploitation of the Common Pod-Pilot.
PLEASE ! The Goons are NOT Communist ! They are Capitalist Exploiters of the Masses !
The Mittani merely poses as a liberator of the Proletariat, while he and the Something Awful Leadership, in fact, pocket rivers of wealth expropriated from their worker bees.
( Now wait for it. The Mittani himself won't fail to arrive to deny everything, but he reeks of corruption.) |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
578
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:18:00 -
[89] - Quote
^ lol |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1882
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:35:00 -
[90] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:Typical exploitation of the Common Pod-Pilot. PLEASE ! The Goons are NOT Communist ! They are Capitalist Exploiters of the Masses ! The Mittani merely poses as a liberator of the Proletariat, while he and the Something Awful Leadership, in fact, pocket rivers of wealth expropriated from their worker bees. ( Now wait for it. The Mittani himself won't fail to arrive to deny everything, but he reeks of corruption.)
This is terribly uncreative propaganda. Goons are a free people. Our nationalized technetium moons keep us aloft, spitting poison at you badposting peasants~ andski for csm7~ |
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Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
256
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:37:00 -
[91] - Quote
edit: owned |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1882
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:37:00 -
[92] - Quote
nope andski for csm7~ |
Shu Jia
House of Nim-Lhach
16
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:52:00 -
[93] - Quote
Thank you for sharing mate. I belief that you have an honourable and honest attitude. You have my highest respect cause you handle it in a cool headed manner. |
Valentyn3
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:07:00 -
[94] - Quote
I feel like spending that 3.25 billion on the badest assed ship you could fly and staging a one man raid of their territory in the hopes of wooing them with your bravado would have been a more effective use of the money. Frequent squinting even in low light? You may be showing early signs of Brock Eye Syndrome. Talk to your doctor today. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1886
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:15:00 -
[95] - Quote
Valentyn3 wrote:I feel like spending that 3.25 billion on the badest assed ship you could fly and staging a one man raid of their territory in the hopes of wooing them with your bravado would have been a more effective use of the money.
yes someone please do this andski for csm7~ |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:19:00 -
[96] - Quote
Skydell wrote:EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:I want to join too. Send me an eve-mail with more info on how to join. I got 500 mil ready. You need to join my alliance. I will require a 2 billion ISK processing fee.
I'd like to know why is your alliance 4 times better than Goonswarm. Send me an eve-mail any time you like, I'm not good at this whole forum thing. Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
Das Butler
GravKompagniet
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 06:58:00 -
[97] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: Quote:INBOX Remove Label
Hey Mittani i got a few things i would like to tell you so if you would please take the time to read it trugh i would be honored. I know you are a busy man so ill go straight to it.
About a Week agoe i was aproached by a corp member of you called Third Flower he was nice and friendly and told me about GoonWaffe and the many opotunitys if i were to apply and get acceptet into the corperation. he seemed nice and spoke very good for the Goons.
so after a few talks i desitet to try and apply i followed the instructions Third flower gave me and made the saftey deposit as instructet both for me 650mill and for my brother Ina Rawberry 500 mill in total 1.15 bill for me that was quite a bit of isk and would take me some time to earn that back in high sec, but i took the chance. After a days or so i could see my aplication were acceptet on the goonfleet site and tought yer that was nice. But then nothing happend and after 3-4 days i contactet Third flower again asking why nothing happend yet as the payment already were acceptet. He dosnt know and asks for help from a director thats where the man Testobjekt comes into the picture and it goes down hill from there. I know you got strict ruels and such and i totaly understand that, but he starts to question me with a wery offensive and angry aproach, and we come up with that i need to pay atleast 75% of all my assets in deposit for joining so in good heart and trush in this guy and third flower i start trying tog ather the 2,6 bill more he wants from me and my brother. it takes a few hrs and its ready.
But then somthing happends Third flower sends me a mail that i dont really pay atention to but later i get to know it contains the info of a 100 bill cargo from VFK to jita and the time of departure, that ofc is very clasafied info. and Testobjekt gets very mad and we are told that our aplications have been canceled and we are blacklistet from goons cus of Third flowers mistake. After a bit of talk again he agrees that we still have a chance of joining again but to do that we would be required to give the rest bit of assets we have including 2x t3's with subsystems. I talk it over with my bro and he agrees we still very much want to be a part of this and experience war on a scale we cant anywhere in the game so we agrees and call it a night after the transfer. Then this morning i talk to Testobjekt again and he tells me its not enough and gives me a fine for a reason i dont know. The fine is 500 mill that i have to pay before 14.00 eve time and he tells me after that i can join, so i do my best but ends up short i use every last drop i have to try and make it and ends up with 250 mill and we discuss it and he tells me to pay it to him and after i join i get a new fine of 1bill.
Then downtime hits and afterwards he tells me its off and if i want a chance i need to get new 500 mill so the Gia have told him.
but after giving away ca 7.5 bill in assets i got no more and have to tell him i cant:
Thats pretty much it and im wondering if thats the way Goonwaffe do rip honest ppl off who wish to join their ranks and fight along side of them. Right now i feel ripped off and buttfucked was in good belife the hole way but was clearly desived. so would very much like to know if thats it thers no chance of Goonswarm for me ever and i will have to start all over again and spent years to build up what i had, or are there any chance i can get back what i gave in good belif to join your ranks or is everything gone for me
Really hope u took the time to read this
o7 Pilot Rave Terris i think this is the op's alt
and this is a person in charge of the csm. he clearly is proud of scamming and pushes his puppet to do it. WAKE UP EVE PLAYERS |
Das Butler
GravKompagniet
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 07:01:00 -
[98] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:You all guys speaking like there are so many people that live to join goons... lol. That's not my case! And i guess that's not the case of most people. what I'm after is a corporation that can offer me some GOOD multiplayer experience, and with GOOD i mean frequently happening pvp (pvp is NOT station games from high sec wardecks. even Farmville is funnier than that), and all the industrial jobs that require a good amount of players to cooperate together. I was advertising that in what should be a scam free channel, and got approached by this goons recruiters. But it could have been just any other recruited from any other corp/alliance that could offer me the same thing, it's not like I want to join goons at all. Well, at least I've learned from my mistake. Just, now, I don't know what I could do to look for a corporation without being worried about people that are just going after my wallet, lol.
#1 NEVER PAY ANY CORP TO JOIN NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1887
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Posted - 2012.02.02 07:08:00 -
[99] - Quote
Das Butler wrote:and this is a person in charge of the csm. he clearly is proud of scamming and pushes his puppet to do it. WAKE UP EVE PLAYERS
nothing wrong with scamming andski for csm7~ |
Jan'tor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.02.02 07:12:00 -
[100] - Quote
Not really sure what to tell you, I got my deposit back just fine. |
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Signal11th
421
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Posted - 2012.02.02 08:56:00 -
[101] - Quote
If I had been given 1 million isk everytime someone didn't "RESEARCH" and got scammed by GSF I would have basically won EVE.
Why are people so eager to throw away money on something they didn't even look into is beyond me. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
227
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Posted - 2012.02.02 08:59:00 -
[102] - Quote
Goon Recruit scams are as common knowledge as Double-Your-Isk scams.
It shouldnt even be called a scam, just a function of their business model |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
120
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Posted - 2012.02.02 09:14:00 -
[103] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Tore Vest wrote:I cant understand why ppl want to join goonswarm... someone just gave 9b isk to one of our members because he was in goonswarm why do you think spy? |
Fuee
Cupcake Catapults
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 09:22:00 -
[104] - Quote
"Hm.. not seeing enough about my corp on the forums... and sense their notoriety is directly correlated to the size of my e-***** I better post something, uhhh, I guess the standard recruitment scam boilerplate will do." |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1117
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Posted - 2012.02.02 09:23:00 -
[105] - Quote
So I guess it'll be another 2 weeks until the next "I fell for the goon recruitment scam" thread.
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Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:09:00 -
[106] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: Quote:*snip* random eve mail of some poor soul i think this is the op's alt I do run jita scams with my alt... but this is just insane...
So, to sum up: a scammer got scammed. now where is the irony in that?
I really dont feel sorry for your loss...
in your case it was well deserved because first thing: you didnt do your research at ALL, i mean goon recruitement scam threads and warnings are ALL over the place... second thing: especially as a scammer you should know that everyone will steal your money in eve and you shouldnt give it away for just words... third thing: karma (yeah i dont believe in it but i love it when it looks like it struck :D ) |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
1328
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:17:00 -
[107] - Quote
I'm always happy reading about idiots getting relieved from their money. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Security Bee
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:35:00 -
[108] - Quote
Funny facts:
1. No this guy is not the guy that wrote the mail to Mittani 2. This guy makes his money through scamming jita with fake-pirate ships (navy mega as vindicator and navy geddon as Bhaalgron) |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
62
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:36:00 -
[109] - Quote
Goonwaffe's hiring! I am a recruiter's alt! Send ISK for your app!
Damn, this really belongs in the other thread too... |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1117
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:43:00 -
[110] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Goonwaffe's hiring! I am a recruiter's alt! Send ISK for your app!
Damn, this really belongs in the other thread too...
Obvious haiku scam by The Riddler. Send all recruitment fees to this toon. I'll make sure they get processed.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.02.02 11:17:00 -
[111] - Quote
Golden Rule of applying to a corporation in EVE: Never pay anything to anyone for joining a corp (or immediately after it). Ever. If a corporation wants more (in ISK or assets) from you than what it gets from the corp tax system, it most often ends in tears.
Also a related golden rule: Never put the majority of your assets outside of your direct control. Anything other than a NPC station hangar in Empire space is "outside of your direct control".
Nullsec station access can be revoked, corporate POS access can be revoked, POS passwords can change, corporate hangar access can come and go... if your stuff is in such a place, you cannot count for it to be accessible to you. So many sob stories exist of newbies scammed of their bling bling ships with a simple "kick from corp" with the bling bling left in a corp hangar or corp POS. Note that a private hangar in player alliance controlled station is a special case - you can't lose the stuff in there but it may become impossible to get to it, so you may have to wait for a long time for the opportunity to arise or you need to find someone else who has access to that station and is willing to fulfill a hauling contract.
Edit: Also, lol scammer got scammed. Proves that Jita scammers are not the brigtest bulbs and all that. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
63
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Posted - 2012.02.02 11:25:00 -
[112] - Quote
Jacob Stiller wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Goonwaffe's hiring! I am a recruiter's alt! Send ISK for your app!
Damn, this really belongs in the other thread too... Obvious haiku scam by The Riddler. Send all recruitment fees to this toon. I'll make sure they get processed.
This guy is trolling. My haiku are not a scam. Just send me the ISK.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1325
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Posted - 2012.02.02 11:57:00 -
[113] - Quote
i dont want to join GoonWaffe
If i wanted to do so .. i would probably do it because i want to have some fun and fly rifters/ruptures/hurricanes/tempests shooting stuff anytime i log in ..
And for simple thing like this i wouldnt pay anything, my presence in their fleets would be an payment
People willing to pay for an corp/alliance invitation deserve to be scammed.. because they are scammers .. wanting greener pastures for themselves. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
16
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Posted - 2012.02.02 12:43:00 -
[114] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:which is fair considering what happened to them some time ago
No... this should of been the point you thought, screw this, I'll find some other alliance.
also, you have 12bil and still fell for this kinda of thing?
Jesus, talk about an idiot and his money. |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
32
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Posted - 2012.02.02 12:56:00 -
[115] - Quote
after (just) one year of EVE i'm still unsure, if i should like or dislike Goon*.
Whenever they do "something awful", a little storm breaks into this forums. And repetitive tears appear about being scamed somehow related to Goon*.
Should i have sympathy with the victims, or should i be amused by the stories herein? ( i still tend to the first one - a little bit ) On the other hand: Something is actually happening. It's ambiguous.
Nevertheless: I can't understand the attractiveness of the Goon*. What makes some people to eagerly want to join them?
For me it smells like "joining winning team". And that's nothing i would feel proud of.
There are many other nice corporations out there...
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Claire Raynor
NovaGear
8
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Posted - 2012.02.02 13:20:00 -
[116] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Andski wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:If you were contacted from the recruitment channel, you may have a case.
Otherwise, sorry for your loss.
And no I didn't read all of it, don't have time. it's pretty sad that CCP is going down the route of forbidding scams Well, there's gameplay scam but at some point it's a detriment to the game itself. And yes, some people need to be protected from themselves and the goons.
Yes. The above. I can't belive the current head of the CSM is gloating over basically having had his people rip off a kid and his brother. Nice. If that email Mittens posted is true, (the language and grammer is different to the OP), then this game defo lost two subs. Nice. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
69
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Posted - 2012.02.02 13:27:00 -
[117] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:...the other one was about a conversation i had, while i was in my old corporation, with our war targets.
So, you admitted talking to wartargets during a war. That-¦s consorting with the enemy. What Null-Sec-Corp would hire such a person? What guarantees that you won-¦t do that again, possibly betray your Corp. Also, persons with numbers in their name aren-¦t really trustworthy either.
Sorry mate, but you are really a spy or a traitor just waiting to happen...... I wouldn-¦t let you in my Corp either. Unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
203
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Posted - 2012.02.02 13:37:00 -
[118] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:I cant understand why ppl want to join goonswarm...
Because they find it cool to scam and **** up others funtime and basically be the bad boy of eve .... that is untill it happends to them then all of a sudden it's bad bad baaaaad goons and on to the forum and petition we dive. |
Ghoest
244
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Posted - 2012.02.02 13:54:00 -
[119] - Quote
If the OP is being honest(which would be a dubious assumption) then he is probably correct that the Goons broke a rule.
I really dont see CCP having the balls to stand up to Mittani(or any other CSM) at this point however. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
299
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:01:00 -
[120] - Quote
Im afraid I cant sympathise, simply because their info states clearly that if you have been asked for isk then you are being scammed.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
402
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:04:00 -
[121] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: I think the point is the OP was trying to get into the communist regime.
Typical exploitation of the Common Pod-Pilot. PLEASE ! The Goons are NOT Communist ! They are Capitalist Exploiters of the Masses ! The Mittani merely poses as a liberator of the Proletariat, while he and the Something Awful Leadership, in fact, pocket rivers of wealth expropriated from their worker bees. ( Now wait for it. The Mittani himself won't fail to arrive to deny everything, but he reeks of corruption.) Evolution is pretty close to communist. Can't think of any other well-known corps/alliances that are.
Goons are communist in the same way all Western European countries are communist (i.e. not at all but that doesn't stop American rednecks from claiming otherwise). |
fgft Athonille
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:09:00 -
[122] - Quote
should have stuck with it and waited
you could have botted your money back and then some in the easiest alliance to bot in |
Ursula LeGuinn
124
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:09:00 -
[123] - Quote
I could argue either side of this issue, but one thing I hope we can all agree upon is that Goonswarm recruitment scams provide a valuable service: Victims become aware of the need for incredulity in EVE, and also learn to perform their due diligence before forking their assets over to a perfect stranger.
Players who have the shirts scammed off their backs, learn from their mistake and continue playing EVE are made of stern stuff, and I welcome them into the community. "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
Rapala Armiron
Alcoholic Family Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:16:00 -
[124] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:The only positive in this story is that you stopped before giving them another 6.5B. Oh, the other positive is that you remain a proud non-member of goons. You might be an idiot but at least you still have your soul and integrity. well... but what could i think? I mean, there's a nice red message that pops when you enter the recruitment channel. It says this: EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
I kind of felt that it was safe. The part i've underlined is quite hard to manipulate/misunderstand But that's it, some times i forget the "trust no one" rule of this game XD
Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.
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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:17:00 -
[125] - Quote
Nerath Naaris wrote:Maxx86 wrote:...the other one was about a conversation i had, while i was in my old corporation, with our war targets. So, you admitted talking to wartargets during a war. That-¦s consorting with the enemy. What Null-Sec-Corp would hire such a person? What guarantees that you won-¦t do that again, possibly betray your Corp. Also, persons with numbers in their name aren-¦t really trustworthy either. Sorry mate, but you are really a spy or a traitor just waiting to happen...... I wouldn-¦t let you in my Corp either.
Amogst all the insults that i clearly deserved for falling for this, this is the most funny post i read so far! XD I didn't give them any intel, and I admitted it and apologized to my CEO, I mean, a spy would have tried to hide it or whatever, no? But you are right, next time I'll start a game I'll make sure I have 5 years experience with it, ok? (lol) And yeah, next time a recruiter contacts me, I'll apologize for having numbers in my name XD
gogo, mr. pro
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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:19:00 -
[126] - Quote
Rapala Armiron wrote:
Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.
I won't die if i don't get my isk back, but it would be cool if CCP actually punished someone for breaking a rule :)
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Signal11th
421
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:16:00 -
[127] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:Rapala Armiron wrote:
Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.
I won't die if i don't get my isk back, but it would be cool if CCP actually punished someone for breaking a rule :)
Do you have any mail or chat logs that show him mention he got your name from the recruitment channel or with him chatting with you in the recruitment channel. If you have great send it to CCP and he'll get screwed. If not then he hasn't broken any rules and your stiffed. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
27
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:22:00 -
[128] - Quote
That "platform" clause was recently put in there by one idiot GM without any thought to the impossibility of enforcing it.
You can never prove that someone used the recruitment channel as a "platform" and there is no clear definition of what "recruitment scamming" is or isn't.
No one will ever get banned for fishing suckers out of that channel, and Goons know it. The GM who changed the MOTD should be fired for idiocy.
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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:24:00 -
[129] - Quote
Das Butler wrote:The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: i think this is the op's alt and this is a person in charge of the csm. he clearly is proud of scamming and pushes his puppet to do it. WAKE UP EVE PLAYERS
OMG look! The CSM championing a perfectly legal and supported profession that I don't agree with. BAN HIM
I have little to no sympathy for people that get caught in this stuff. If you're to stupid to investigate/think about what you are doing or getting into, then it's your fault, no one elses. I have no love for Goons, but I laugh when I see people are still falling for this crap after so many years. |
destiny2
Right Ascension
20
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:28:00 -
[130] - Quote
Ive Heard Deklain is very pretty this time of year. |
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destiny2
Right Ascension
20
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:41:00 -
[131] - Quote
Ghoest wrote:If the OP is being honest(which would be a dubious assumption) then he is probably correct that the Goons broke a rule.
I really dont see CCP having the balls to stand up to Mittani(or any other CSM) at this point however.
But Mittani is harmless. He is a super carebear. Altho you cant really blaim Goonwaffe for this as much as i despise Goons they do give you a great chuckle every now and then. This guy is lucky it was only 6.5B 6.5B can be made in 1 month of ratting in 00.
If your stupid enough to give a corp isk that you want to join then your stupid enough to get scammed.
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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:11:00 -
[132] - Quote
destiny2 wrote:Ghoest wrote:If the OP is being honest(which would be a dubious assumption) then he is probably correct that the Goons broke a rule.
I really dont see CCP having the balls to stand up to Mittani(or any other CSM) at this point however. But Mittani is harmless. He is a super carebear. Altho you cant really blaim Goonwaffe for this as much as i despise Goons they do give you a great chuckle every now and then. This guy is lucky it was only 6.5B 6.5B can be made in 1 month of ratting in 00. If your stupid enough to give a corp isk that you want to join then your stupid enough to get scammed.
it was just 3.25b. they asked for 6.5b, but at that point the loss would have been... well, noticeable, at least |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
131
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:18:00 -
[133] - Quote
Our alliance does not approve this message. We have not received our royalties.
Gimme da ISK!!! |
Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:19:00 -
[134] - Quote
I was recruited by a Goons during the Ice Interdiction. Plopped down my 500M, had a trial run during the event to see how committed I was, and after it ended they accepted my app and returned the deposit with interest.
Frankly, everything was aboveboard and given how the spy metagame works in 0.0 these days they'd be crazy NOT to do something similar. Every few days you get a message saying '"X" is blue-shooting, be careful' until they're able to be kicked.
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Veragostin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:11:00 -
[135] - Quote
Funny story.
I got introduced to SA via Goons in a different online game. Only lurked though, never actually joined up. Saw them here in Eve, got bored one day, decided to go over and apply (without thinking to check the SA forums). Got scammed out of 500m isk. That caused me to be like 'oh man, these guys must be having the time of their life doing this'. So I joined SA because of that. Couldn't have been a better decision.
Haven't joined them in-game yet, but I do admire their ability to find a continual stream of brain-dead morons like my nub self to get money from.
I do kind of wonder, after seeing tales like this, whats the greatest amount they've managed to scam out of an individual like this. Whoever did it, I'll probably send some isk to, just cause. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
135
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:16:00 -
[136] - Quote
Came into thread expecting a story about recruitment spam, left having gotten all that I expected. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
64
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:18:00 -
[137] - Quote
Anyone wants into the Sideburns, here's how you do it, swear allegiance to Manchester United- After that your in. Any Liverpool, or Manchester City fans can go and join EVE University. -áThe Sideburns- Always Outnumbered- Never Outgunned. Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:33:00 -
[138] - Quote
Common sense: we have 3300 members, how could that ever happen if we scammed everyone who applied?
Vladimir Tinan wrote: I was recruited by a Goons during the Ice Interdiction. Plopped down my 500M, had a trial run during the event to see how committed I was, and after it ended they accepted my app and returned the deposit with interest.
My story is very similar, except they had me shoot a pod in Jita since my character was too ****** to gank miners. Check my KB history on battleclinic.
So, you guys want the truth? Here's MY experience joining GoonWaffe. I could get into trouble for posting this, but I don't care anymore. I want to help you guys.
Here's how it works. First, you have to get noticed. Some recruiters are courageous and will recruit anyone, but this is dangerous because you will get kicked out if you recruit too many idiots and spies. Most select their recruits carefully. Amongst other things, they look at your killboard history and the quality of your Eve-o posting (if applicable).
Then, you have to prove your are worthy of GoonWaffe. They will ask for your full API, a security deposit and occasionally some miscellaneous other thing, such as suicide ganking some poor sap or (if you have a sadistic recruitment officer) a 250 word essay on why you want to join. You're asking for them to trust you to be a legit applicant and not a spy, isn't it a no-brainer to ask for some trust in return?
It's kind of like those trust experiments where you're asked to jump blindfolded into a void, but you know your friends will catch you. They just want you to prove you're committed.
Back to my story. My security deposit was 500 million isk. Fortunately, I happened to have a PLEX lying around from a buddy invite.
I paid it as a security deposit and gave my recruiter my full API.
The days, weeks, months passed. I was starting to get chills reading all of those scamming threads, but I knew I had done everything right, so I did not falter.
Yesterday, I checked my wallet and I noticed a transaction. Out of the blue, my recruiter had given me my 600m iskies back. That's a 500m security deposit with 20% interest. There was an EVE-mail saying that I passed the test and I was invited into GoonWaffe. This is what you get for not pussying out. The interest is financed out of all the idiots who are impatient spies or don't have the balls to wait it out.
I then contracted all of my meager assets to our JF service. It got blown up by gate rats because of a dumb pilot (you should see the thread on our forums, he's being ridiculed), but hey, it happens. I'm short of three fitted thrashers and 500m3 of random ass rat modules, but now I'm rich anyways thanks to all the Goonswarm social programs and bittervet love.
Big shout out to Randomus Namus https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Randomus%20Namus for making it happen, you're the best recruitment officer in GoonWaffe.
destiny2 wrote:Ive Heard Deklain is very pretty this time of year. It is actually. It's just as safe as highsec, except that I get to make 50 million an hour just from salvaging in a Thrasher and 500 million a month AFK thank to nullsec PI and Goon custom offices. Enjoy paying taxes, peasants. Also, it's three jumps to anywhere thanks to the jump bridge network. What were you saying again? |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:44:00 -
[139] - Quote
Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:18:00 -
[140] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:I alraedy know that i'm not going to see a single isk of what i've been scammed for (see OP) XD But i still hope some actions are going to be taken to punish the trasgresser... Unless Goons are allowed to do whatever they want and ignore all the rules in this game, ofc
they are allowed to do whatever they want and do ignore all the rules in this game. also, don't forget to generate a new API.
I really don't understand why people want to join a corp or alliance that bad that they are willing to give 75% of all their assets to a corporation that will literally do NOTHING for them. There are corporations and alliances out there that need new players that will actually give you benefits. Once a corp/alliance is as large as GOONs they don't really need to do d i c k for you and it's only a matter of THEY DONT NEED PLAYERS.
I personally can't wait for the day that either all of EVE declares war on goons until they are gone/dead or someone is paid tons of ISK to do to them what they did to BOB. forget to pay the billz and are disbanded.
sure it's a game, but victimizing people is victimizing them none-the less. even if it is surprise buttsex |
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:20:00 -
[141] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy.
you have been horribly infiltrated with spies, your day will come
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
448
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 18:23:00 -
[142] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy. you have been horribly infiltrated with spies, your day will come
Even though I fully expect to die someday, I must assure you that my body is in fact free of any spy infiltrations.
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Jayem See
Drama Llamas
32
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:25:00 -
[143] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy. you have been horribly infiltrated with spies, your day will come Even though I fully expect to die someday, I must assure you that my body is in fact free of any spy infiltrations.
*snickers*
That is what you think. Aaaaaaand relax. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:42:00 -
[144] - Quote
I almost fell for the TESTagram scam once.....almost lol |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
808
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 18:45:00 -
[145] - Quote
The goons do a great job correcting the isk-to-IQ ratio. |
Mahut Shapier
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 18:46:00 -
[146] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy.
Behold, everyone! Words of wisdom from the cream of the Goon crop.
The last thing a competent and clever spy determined to cause damage would do is apply to GoonWaffe with a character created years ago. A proper spy would begin by joining the Something Awful forums, familiarizing themselves with the hambeasts' insular, self-congratulatory forum culture, and would then proceed to create regular "quality posts" for a period of many months (up to a year or more) in order to ingratiate themselves with the SA community.
This wouldn't be hard to do. Typical SA forum threads, humor projects (such as their themed image "contests" or someone photographing each step of a zany science experiment), and front-page articles are less interesting and humorous than 1980s-era The Far Side calendars, while also managing to be less relevant than The Onion. I'm being generous.
The try-hard factor of Something Awful is truly a wonder of the Internet. Suffering through such nonsense just to gain the Goons' acceptance and sabotage them in a computer game would require real dedication.
Next, the potential spy must appear to have learned about the Goons' involvement in EVE naturally, as though it were any other game mentioned on their forums (which, to a genuine new SA poster, it would be). This would be the most delicate part of the process, and a light touch would be ideal. He may not even discuss EVE on the SA forum at all before applying.
Once accepted, time, patience and actual social/manipulative skills would be required to inflict significant damage to the Goons. As a group, Goons actually are fairly bright people. In fact, as EVE players, I like them. I hate their forums, but as a bunch of dorky hambeasts playing a computer game, they're all right.
Point is though, all this paranoid garbage and fuss about small-time awoxers and intel-passers is just that, garbage and fuss. It won't save you from a smart, dedicated spy or a disgruntled (or bored) turncoat. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
793
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 18:53:00 -
[147] - Quote
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:The only positive in this story is that you stopped before giving them another 6.5B. Oh, the other positive is that you remain a proud non-member of goons. You might be an idiot but at least you still have your soul and integrity.
This made my day.
Thank you, I just have a big smile right now thx to you |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
451
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 19:06:00 -
[148] - Quote
Sorry, I missed this.
arcca jeth wrote:
I personally can't wait for the day that either all of EVE declares war on goons until they are gone/dead or someone is paid tons of ISK to do to them what they did to BOB. forget to pay the billz and are disbanded.
According to what I can read on our awesome secret websites, holy **** are you late. On all counts. |
El Sergio YBrava
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 20:10:00 -
[149] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote: It is actually. It's just as safe as highsec, except that I get to make 50 million an hour just from salvaging in a Thrasher and 500 million a month AFK thank to nullsec PI and Goon custom offices. Enjoy paying taxes, peasants. Also, it's three jumps to anywhere thanks to the jump bridge network. What were you saying again?
and some people wonder why there is so much hate between null and high sec, you can be casual in both but without the social network you stick to high sec and pay for the null seccers (no.... plex are not dropped by null rats).
I am not a goon hater, they earned what they got with a lot of organization. But I am not sure if this ISK cliff is the best for EVE in general. It would be interesting to see some stats of how many accounts in EVE belong to NPC or small corps (under 20) and how that changed over the last two years.
Goons will never be for me as EVE is a game I play for fun only and has a lower priority in my life, but I enjoy playing, sometimes more and sometimes less, RL first :)
P.S. and I will not post with my main because I learned the hard way that some people take this game far to serious and can not separate between ingame and the forum.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 21:31:00 -
[150] - Quote
Mahut Shapier wrote:would then proceed to create regular "quality posts" for a period of many months If quality posting was a requirement for Goonwaffe membership the corp would have about three people in it and two of them would be spies.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 21:33:00 -
[151] - Quote
El Sergio YBrava wrote:Goons will never be for me as EVE is a game I play for fun only
Right because Goons are known throughout the Eve universe for how seriously we take the game. :cripes: The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 21:48:00 -
[152] - Quote
The thing is that i'm not that much of an hardcore EVE player... Yeah, this char is quite old, but i had a lot of breaks, and I kind of always played alone XD Also, being used to other MMO's, I'm not used to google everything that is being said to me, fearing that it is a scam. About being a spy... I was contacted from them, in the recruitment channel... And I think that if everyone that had failed once has to be a spy, we ALL would be spies, or almost ;) But that's it, even if it hasn't been a huge loss for me, It's still 3.25 free billions in Goonswarm Federation's wallet, so I clearly deserve every insult that has been addressed to me in this thread XD
This still has been quite a good eyeopener for me anyways, thanks everyone :) |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
18
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Posted - 2012.02.02 22:08:00 -
[153] - Quote
Can't believe that still works after all these years. Might have to start trying it myself. My corp may have no major accomplishments but the name is cool, that's worth maybe 10 percent no?
Edit: Max, please contact me about joining a corporation. We are in null(non sov)and have lots of good fights. Probably after getting your feet wet with us the goons will take a second look at you and you might get in :) |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
192
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Posted - 2012.02.02 22:10:00 -
[154] - Quote
What I don't get is why you keep saying "chanche", just such an odd misspelling. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 22:11:00 -
[155] - Quote
Rath Kelbore wrote:Can't believe that still works after all these years. Might have to start trying it myself. My corp may have no major accomplishments but the name is cool, that's worth maybe 10 percent no?
Edit: Max, please contact me about joining a corporation. We are in null(non sov)and have lots of good fights. Probably after getting your feet wet with us the goons will take a second look at you and you might get in :)
Nobody will entrust you with a security deposit unless you're GoonSwarm |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
56
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 22:13:00 -
[156] - Quote
I need a goon sponsor. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
18
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 22:15:00 -
[157] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:Can't believe that still works after all these years. Might have to start trying it myself. My corp may have no major accomplishments but the name is cool, that's worth maybe 10 percent no?
Edit: Max, please contact me about joining a corporation. We are in null(non sov)and have lots of good fights. Probably after getting your feet wet with us the goons will take a second look at you and you might get in :) Nobody will entrust you with a security deposit unless you're GoonSwarm
If I give you 25% of my assets value(10 isk)will you get me in so I can try this out.
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
|
Posted - 2012.02.02 22:18:00 -
[158] - Quote
Rath Kelbore wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:Can't believe that still works after all these years. Might have to start trying it myself. My corp may have no major accomplishments but the name is cool, that's worth maybe 10 percent no?
Edit: Max, please contact me about joining a corporation. We are in null(non sov)and have lots of good fights. Probably after getting your feet wet with us the goons will take a second look at you and you might get in :) Nobody will entrust you with a security deposit unless you're GoonSwarm If I give you 25% of my assets value(10 isk)will you get me in so I can try this out.
No |
Harlequin Sweetlips
Emergent Entity KONZERN
7
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Posted - 2012.02.02 23:05:00 -
[159] - Quote
If the OP had done their homework, they'd realise there's people clamouring to join the Goons all the time. They don't need to ask people to join them. If you're approached by a Goon actively asking you to join, then you're being scammed. It's that obvious. |
destiny2
Right Ascension
21
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 00:39:00 -
[160] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:destiny2 wrote:Ghoest wrote:If the OP is being honest(which would be a dubious assumption) then he is probably correct that the Goons broke a rule.
I really dont see CCP having the balls to stand up to Mittani(or any other CSM) at this point however. But Mittani is harmless. He is a super carebear. Altho you cant really blaim Goonwaffe for this as much as i despise Goons they do give you a great chuckle every now and then. This guy is lucky it was only 6.5B 6.5B can be made in 1 month of ratting in 00. If your stupid enough to give a corp isk that you want to join then your stupid enough to get scammed. it was just 3.25b. they asked for 6.5b, but at that point the loss would have been... well, noticeable, at least
Your better off paying an alliance like Pandemic Legion that much to join them. Heck least from them you'd actually learn something.
Only thing you could possibly learn from Goon's is. How to loose Braincells.
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
56
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Posted - 2012.02.03 02:03:00 -
[161] - Quote
" I payed to have friends...then it appears they just wanted me for my money"
Sounds legit.
Patri
Miners! Make Moar Isks Nao! |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
124
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 02:27:00 -
[162] - Quote
Patri Andari wrote:" I payed to have friends...then it appears they just wanted me for my money"
Sounds legit.
The :tenbux: is to join the SA forum, not to join goonswarm. If you get on SA and try to join up with goons, you will be milked for isk then laughed at. Then probably banned from SA for good measure. Those threads are hilarious to read. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Parthonax
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 06:38:00 -
[163] - Quote
it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels Since they used the recruitment channel to contact the op with the sole puorpose of scamming in they violated CCP rules and there fore shoould atleast get a temporary ban It doesn't matter that most of the conversation took place in a private chat or that the victim is a older player , the ruleviolation started when they used the recruitment channel to find a victim
If CCP doesn't take action just proofs that CCP is guilty of favoritism and is using 2 different lvls to penalize players who violated the EULA
I used to be a adventurer like you, but then i took a arrow in the knee |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 06:47:00 -
[164] - Quote
Parthonax wrote:It doesn't matter that most of the conversation took place in a private chat or that the victim is a older player , the ruleviolation started when they used the recruitment channel to find a victim This sounds interesting. Because unless you can prove that happened, anyone in the recruitment channel can always claim they were scammed from there with no evidence whatsoever. Or one should get a timer (we like timers right) for 10 hours after joining/quitting the recruitment channel, and any scam whatsoever in that timer period is linked to you being in the channel.
I have seen people bragging about the pvp skills in Jita local, if they repeated this in recruitment, they'd start their Recruitment Chat Invulnerability (RCI) timer, right? Especially if someone tried to sell them an "elite pvp" fitted tengu, just with no tengu. Or with skillboks for subsystems instead of subsystems. Because clearly the person only knew they'd want a tengu because they said so in recruitment, and not from looking at them bragging about how they can 1v1 anyone in their tengu.
P.S. The skillbooks instead of actual subsystems is a really nice scam. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1910
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 06:49:00 -
[165] - Quote
Parthonax wrote:it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels
gee i wonder how many new players tend to have 500m isk plus t3s and faction ships sitting around
it's hilarious that multibillionaires fall for such obvious scams and even more hilarious that the incompetent GMs behind this rule throw around this "protecting new players" nonsense andski for csm7~ |
Parthonax
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 06:52:00 -
[166] - Quote
Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels gee i wonder how many new players tend to have 500m isk plus t3s and faction ships sitting around Does it matter , they violated the EULA which crime is worse , stealing from people who are on benefit or , stealing from working middle class people I used to be a adventurer like you, but then i took a arrow in the knee |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 07:03:00 -
[167] - Quote
Anyway, a month old account that's say in an NPC corp mining away is just such an obvious SPAI setup, no one would really try to run though what is such a clear "I'm a SPAI alt/awoxer" |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
603
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Posted - 2012.02.03 07:06:00 -
[168] - Quote
i wish to join GSF, but i dont know how. Can someone help me plz? The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1911
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 07:25:00 -
[169] - Quote
Parthonax wrote:Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels gee i wonder how many new players tend to have 500m isk plus t3s and faction ships sitting around Does it matter , they violated the EULA which crime is worse , stealing from people who are on benefit or , stealing from working middle class people Rules are there to protect the whole community and not there so a few can break them whenever they want
you're kinda dumb because scamming has been a part of this game since ever andski for csm7~ |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
303
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Posted - 2012.02.03 07:29:00 -
[170] - Quote
npc corp alts always looking out for the multi-billionaire rookie in recruitment corp chat |
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
460
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 09:22:00 -
[171] - Quote
Parthonax wrote:Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels gee i wonder how many new players tend to have 500m isk plus t3s and faction ships sitting around Does it matter , they violated the EULA which crime is worse , stealing from people who are on benefit or , stealing from working middle class people Rules are there to protect the whole community and not there so a few can break them whenever they want
There are multiple EVE trailers who are anchored around the concept of ganking and scamming.
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Dubez
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
21
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Posted - 2012.02.03 11:17:00 -
[172] - Quote
So.... You gave money to a recruiter of Goonwaffe knowing their reputation and now you're complaining?
XD XD XD <(' ')^ ^(' ')^ ^(' ')>
0.0 $$$ ### !@#$% lol kek lmao rofl >< ><
Use your head next time; your pubbie odor is stinking up the forums. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2012.02.03 11:18:00 -
[173] - Quote
Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels gee i wonder how many new players tend to have 500m isk plus t3s and faction ships sitting around Does it matter , they violated the EULA which crime is worse , stealing from people who are on benefit or , stealing from working middle class people Rules are there to protect the whole community and not there so a few can break them whenever they want you're kinda dumb because scamming has been a part of this game since ever
this post shows your mentality to be honest. someone broke the rules and should pay for it. i suggest you inform your members not to use the recruitment channel again. 1 month ban is too short for the work your corp member has caused ccp not to mention the harm you could cause their company in sales . they have more important stuff to be working on than this.
edit : btw i have no sympathy for the op exept for the fact he was fished from a channel he shouldn't have been. he should get off lightly on a "loophole" |
Parthonax
2
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Posted - 2012.02.03 11:19:00 -
[174] - Quote
Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels gee i wonder how many new players tend to have 500m isk plus t3s and faction ships sitting around Does it matter , they violated the EULA which crime is worse , stealing from people who are on benefit or , stealing from working middle class people Rules are there to protect the whole community and not there so a few can break them whenever they want you're kinda dumb because scamming has been a part of this game since ever
indeed scamming been part of this game always, i followed these forums for month before i started playing this game so i think i know pretty well what this game is all about, if you want to scam people go ahead nobody stopping you or me
the point is that some people broke the rules by using one of the two chatchannels CCP clearly stated they will not allow scamming in them, doesn't matter if you are a member of the biggest alliance out there I used to be a adventurer like you, but then i took a arrow in the knee |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 11:26:00 -
[175] - Quote
Quote from a GM.
Wonder if he meaning anyone specific
n++[ 2012.02.01 20:32:47 ] GM Haggis > Players are reminded that anyone charging you for corporation entry is more than likely scamming the everloving bejesus out of you, please report anyone convoing you after asking for a corp in this channel :) n++[ 2012.02.01 20:33:03 ] GM Haggis > Anyone convoing you asking for money* |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.02.03 12:29:00 -
[176] - Quote
Parthonax wrote:it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels Since they used the recruitment channel to contact the op with the sole puorpose of scamming in they violated CCP rules and there fore shoould atleast get a temporary ban It doesn't matter that most of the conversation took place in a private chat or that the victim is a older player , the ruleviolation started when they used the recruitment channel to find a victim
If CCP doesn't take action just proofs that CCP is guilty of favoritism and is using 2 different lvls to penalize players who violated the EULA
I really don't think the GMs should be getting involved here. Too many tears and not enough brains.
And whatever happened to the sniff test? I am mean the OP has no background with the Goons and suddenly he waits to hang with the Alliance that has the best rep for having players scam other players. Did OP suddenly lose track of his marbles? This story makes little sense. Anyway they did him a favour as the alternative would have been to move all his stuff to 0.0, then kick him from Corp. And CCP can't do anything about that either. That's EVE for you. |
Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:07:00 -
[177] - Quote
It all relies on what CCP has to check what happened. If they have any kind of tool to retrieve logs from a player acrivity, which is not that improbable, they will have all the tools to actually verify that I've been invited to a conversation from the recruitment channel. If that happens, I probably still won't get any isk back, but then whoever was involved in the scam SHOULD get punished in whatever form CCP thinks it's fair. If they don't have the required tools to do it... Then I pretty much just have to blame my stupidity, and they will just keep doing what they are doing, which is ignoring the game's rules. |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
22
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:21:00 -
[178] - Quote
Jacob Stiller wrote:If you look at the recruitment section of the Goon's webpage, you'll see that the proper way to join is to sign up for the something awful forums and be semi-active for 3 months. Or be the BFF of a Goonswarm member. The scam you fell for is explicitly described on their recruitment page.
Obviously people can't or are to lazy to a read recruiting post, expensive lesson to learn, funny stuff though. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
6
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:34:00 -
[179] - Quote
Join GoonWaffe?
Only if they paid me! |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
213
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:44:00 -
[180] - Quote
I'm putting my app in at lunch.
Sounds like an easy way to make ISK.
People just give it to you without any effort
Or access or acceptance
Or thinking
Or questioning an requiring assurances back such at 72 hours in the corp first and full API of te recruiter so you can see where money goes....
Fun!
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
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Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
43
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:49:00 -
[181] - Quote
Any corporation or alliance that want's me to pay them to join them or to hand over ISK as collateral, just incase, is either too weak anyways or just a scammer.
In both cases don't join.
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Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.03 14:54:00 -
[182] - Quote
Dear Maxx86,
Greetings from my country, Gallente. And by God's grace this is a warm embrace of a lifetime and mutually beneficial relationship between us, hence my writing you.
Dr. Dunbar Hulan is my name. Special Adviser on Ice Mining to the Gallente Head of State and presently, Chairman of the Contract Review Panel (C.R.P) appointed by the Gallente administration, with the mandate to re-evaluate, scrutinize, approve and recommend for payment all previously awarded and executed contracts for the Ice Mining Fund (I. M..F).I want to award you exclusive ice mining rights in Gallente.
You were introduced to me by a trusted contact in the Gallente Ministry of Foreign Trade Mission to act fast by helping me and my colleagues by transfering the sum of 25.5M ISK (Twenty Five Million, Five Hundred Thousand ISK to us. You must treat this letter with utmost confidentiality and trust. We cannot afford to toy with this rare opportunity of a lifetime. It may interest you to know that this is no Scam or fairy tale. we urgently need your assistance to send this isk to us.
Dear brother, all modalities for the successful transfer of this fund including legal and administrative requirements in Gallente as well as that of Inter Faction Arbitration has been worked out. We hope to conclude this transaction within ten (10) days once you open communication with me to furnish me your willingness needed for easy transfer of the fund: God willing brother, we can work out this transaction fast for all of us.
I expect the goons to start this sort of thing soon :) -áThe Sideburns- Always Outnumbered- Never Outgunned. Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
27
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Posted - 2012.02.03 16:22:00 -
[183] - Quote
The rule is unenforceable.
What is a "recruitment scam" compared to a normal scam? How long after posting "looking for corp" in the recruitment channel is someone immune from various forms of scamming? Is demanding a security deposit always scamming now? Is keeping the stuff of an attempted infiltrator "scamming"?
The GM who is trying to push this should be fired because it makes their enforcement look incompetent and it gives a false impression of security. These are fundamental failures to perform his job, and show a worrying lack of judgment and forethought. A simple warning should be plenty, as with all scams and tricks that mostly newbies fall for. If people refuse to read or follow the warnings, then they do so at their own risk.
Trying to enforce an unenforceable rule just makes authorities look incompetent and impotent. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
394
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Posted - 2012.02.03 19:24:00 -
[184] - Quote
dw, i'll deal with this |
Ghost Severus
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
0
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Posted - 2012.02.03 19:53:00 -
[185] - Quote
Goons recruitment strategy filters out the really stupid and gullible .....don't know why people get mad at them. |
El Sergio YBrava
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 20:07:00 -
[186] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:El Sergio YBrava wrote:Goons will never be for me as EVE is a game I play for fun only
Right because Goons are known throughout the Eve universe for how seriously we take the game. :cripes:
come on in generally you take it more seriously than a player with something like 20 hours a month and no forum activity |
Duck Mouth
Nebula Mining and Manufacturing
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 20:13:00 -
[187] - Quote
Goons tried to recruit my main account. When they asked me for 500mill fee that would be returned after the first 30 days, i lol'd at them and told them to get f*cked :)
Welcome To Eve |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 20:32:00 -
[188] - Quote
NaturalBeast wrote: Anyway they did him a favour as the alternative would have been to move all his stuff to 0.0, then kick him from Corp. That would imply he would be in corp. That's a serious SPAI/awoxer risk right there.
El Sergio YBrava wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Right because Goons are known throughout the Eve universe for how seriously we take the game. :cripes: come on in generally you take it more seriously than a player with something like 20 hours a month and no forum activity Hey, we're damn well hardcore. Mining op, 5 hours NAO! Elite pvpers camp the gates. Commisars execute SPAIS.
And then there's Rifterswarm. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
190
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 21:06:00 -
[189] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:I cant understand why ppl want to join goonswarm...
Free T-Shirts and cup cakes. |
Xyrcaryn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 21:27:00 -
[190] - Quote
It's easy to join GoonWaffe, all you have to do is just follow some simple and publicly available instructions and not be a spy. |
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
460
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 21:35:00 -
[191] - Quote
Duck Mouth wrote:Goons tried to recruit my main account. When they asked me for 500mill fee that would be returned after the first 30 days, i lol'd at them and told them to get f*cked :)
Welcome To Eve Joke's on you, now you're not playing EVE in GoonWaffe and are therefore not playing EVE. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1066
|
Posted - 2012.02.03 22:37:00 -
[192] - Quote
Xyrcaryn wrote:It's easy to join GoonWaffe, all you have to do is be a spy.
Fixed that. |
Dsparil Fel
Pandemic Operations Trojan Odyssey Consortium
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 02:39:00 -
[193] - Quote
In the short time I have been playing this game I've been jacked up several times(pvp) and had a lot of dumb stuff happen to me. Crap happens, oh well. There's plenty of times I'd have loved more than anything to bash my monitor in. That's the life of EVE. I came here from WoW to get away from the nanny system. Scams are a part of this game and it saddens me to see that CCP is deciding to go the way of Blizzard(btw WoW has pretty much been completely destroyed as a game). To OP, dude sorry what happened to you but that's the life of EVE and you're even warned about it in the rules when you first sign up, man. I'm not here to bash on you man but next time you might want to be more careful. I think everybody's had some dumb crap happen to them. I'd implore CCP NOT to set rules against scamming since that's what makes EVE different from any other MMORPG. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2170
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 03:01:00 -
[194] - Quote
not that I disagree but nice necro "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Little Brat
The Mighty
3
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 02:03:00 -
[195] - Quote
Players have asked..."Why join the Goons?" Read this: When asked the following questions to a member of a Nullsec alliance about life in Nullsec "How about building a really awesome sandcastle and taking a few photographs before it gets swept away by the waves?" The response was "YOU don't own squat in Zero Farm. YOU are a DOG in a PACK, so YOU don't build squat." and "whatever your CORP builds will likely get swept away" during conflict "unless your PACK is larger than the neighboring animals. That somehow seems pointless on both counts, because YOU haven't really accomplish anything." Another answer "As for rewards? Unless you are blue to the serf squads guarding their "massahs" moongoo, what rewards are we talking about here? A ship replacement in return for guard duty? WOWEE! GEE! How thrilling. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....snore." when asked about "...sources of income that enable you to replace your losses - missions, exploration, CAs, plain ratting, mining sites, markets waiting to be tapped, ..." the answer "This is a fallacy since you won't have time to tap them while doing your "guard duty" for the Man. Besides, you're there for PvP, right? and the Man will require you be doing just that or you're out."
The paragraph above goes a long way toward explaining why Nullsec is not attractive for all players. Some players like to build, trade, mine, rat, explore. They want to own a POS or two and a few planet operations. There are missions, storyline missions and factional warfare. And dipping into Lowsec for some excitement and some PvP is ok too. At least they have control over their destiny. As it stands today, if you are not blue to somebody strong in Nullsec, you are dead. So what is the point? -á-áad astra per aspera |
OfBalance
Deep Core Mining Inc.
62
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 02:08:00 -
[196] - Quote
Little Brat wrote: So what is the point?
I think the point is always "having fun."
Shocking, I know. |
Little Brat
The Mighty
3
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 02:17:00 -
[197] - Quote
Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:Andski wrote:Parthonax wrote:it is simple , CCP introduced rules to protect new players from scamming , two simple rules , no scamming in the rookie channel and no scamming in the recruitmentchannels gee i wonder how many new players tend to have 500m isk plus t3s and faction ships sitting around Does it matter , they violated the EULA which crime is worse , stealing from people who are on benefit or , stealing from working middle class people Rules are there to protect the whole community and not there so a few can break them whenever they want you're kinda dumb because scamming has been a part of this game since ever
I was playing this game six years before you were even born...so...it hasn't been "since ever" -á-áad astra per aspera |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 02:21:00 -
[198] - Quote
Little Brat wrote:At least they have control over their destiny. As it stands today, if you are not blue to somebody strong in Nullsec, you are dead. So what is the point? Titan turret tracking is balanced. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2215
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 17:33:00 -
[199] - Quote
Little Brat wrote:I was playing this game six years before you were even born...so...it hasn't been "since ever"
if you think scamming is by any means a recent phenomenon you are wrong "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 18:09:00 -
[200] - Quote
Dear OP, I understand your sorrow and desire. When you want something badly, you should stick with it and be persistent.
So, if you transfer them all you have, maybe some mercifull soul will grant you entry in Goons.
Please, post future development.
Be well all of you. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
29
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 18:18:00 -
[201] - Quote
I can't believe you fell for this. |
BIGTEX123
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
3
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 22:43:00 -
[202] - Quote
Lmao how have you not heard of Goonswarm's "recruitment policy"! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 22:49:00 -
[203] - Quote
We recruit spais from everywhere.
All spais, X up in Jita local please. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Edwin Atavuli
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 22:04:00 -
[204] - Quote
hmmmm..... yea scammed for sure and earlier someone wrote this here stuff below >>>>
"EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
"above paragraph" = does not apply to goons far as ccp is concerned.....
after all i have it on good word goons are in ccp's pocket >>> vice versa....
so on and so forth.....
flame me now but ive heard stories... and as far as any names..... i plead the 5th. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1684
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 23:28:00 -
[205] - Quote
Maxx86 wrote:It also says that it's also forbidden to use the recruitment channel as a platform to locate target players to scam
No it doesn't. Log in and check it out. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1684
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 23:29:00 -
[206] - Quote
Edwin Atavuli wrote:hmmmm..... yea scammed for sure and earlier someone wrote this here stuff below >>>>
"EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
"above paragraph" = does not apply to goons far as ccp is concerned.....
after all i have it on good word goons are in ccp's pocket >>> vice versa....
so on and so forth.....
flame me now but ive heard stories... and as far as any names..... i plead the 5th.
You should also log in and join the Recruitment channel and check the new and much improved MOTD.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
28
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 00:12:00 -
[207] - Quote
There you go. Props to CCP for fixing it.
Making unenforceable rules is as dumb in video games as it is in life. A clear warning is all new people need, and more than rich idiots deserve. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
94
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 04:56:00 -
[208] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:There you go. Props to CCP for fixing it.
Making unenforceable rules is as dumb in video games as it is in life. A clear warning is all new people need, and more than rich idiots deserve.
Hi Tickles, nice hoodie!
Oh and people need to start doing research on joining a corp.
CCP could always recommend that in big bold letters.
I'm betting Goonwaffe scam income would actually go up. It's like the warnings on the cigarette packs.
Did I mention, nice hoodie? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
197
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 06:29:00 -
[209] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:I'm betting Goonwaffe scam income would actually go up. It's like the warnings on the cigarette packs. Heh. Once you've been scammed you can't help but send good isk after bad? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Rao Kappa
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 07:29:00 -
[210] - Quote
CCP should put this in one of their 'I was there' promotional ads.
Once again, Eve happened. |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 14:35:00 -
[211] - Quote
Doesn't change the fact that recruitement channel was used to find a victim while the rule was up there to not do it.
Basicly the MOTD got changed after the fact and as such the act falls within the punishable timespan.
This was a clearly breach of something a GM ordered to follow. If it was bullcrap or not, it's not up to the playerbase to break a rule in place in order to get the rule changed or removed. The correct way is by petitioning the rule and get it altered that way.
If CCP fails to follow it's own ruling in this case there clearly is a bias towards certain player(groups) and as such CCP can't be seen as impartial anymore.
I know a load of Goons like Harlott will come and throw in some crap again. But Recruitement channel was used as platform to find the target while the rule to not do so was up there. The transgression to not obey that rule was the players choice to not follow a GM's directive and break the rule.
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Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
33
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 15:26:00 -
[212] - Quote
Clearly the best course of action to maintain the integrity of CCP enforcement is to attempt to retroactively enforce an unenforceable rule that was removed precisely because its failed enforcement degrades the integrity of CCP enforcement.
TL:DR
yer dumb |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 15:36:00 -
[213] - Quote
I might appear dumb, fact is ToS rule 6 was broken and as such CCP has no other way out than enforcing their own rule if they want to appear unbiased.
Changing a rule after the fact without repurcussions for the transgressor would make the decission making of CCP look less impartial and in favour for certain playstyles/player(groups)
It doesn't matter if a rule is dumb or not. An authorized CCP person put that rule up there and a player decided not to follow that rule. Simple as that.
If that were to be common we might aswel throw all rules out of the window. Everyone can just break any rule because there will always be groups which find a particular rule or set of rules dumb.
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knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
38
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 15:40:00 -
[214] - Quote
BIGTEX123 wrote:Lmao how have you not heard of Goonswarm's "recruitment policy"!
Sadly allot of people fall for it. A simple google search will tell anyone how to actually apply to GSF and get in without getting scammed.
They're actually new player friendly, but stupid player unfriendly. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
33
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 15:40:00 -
[215] - Quote
It was unenforceable, that's why it was removed. Incidents like this just demonstrated how unenforceable it was.
You've missed the whole point of the entire 11 pages, and, once again, yer dumb. |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
9
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 15:54:00 -
[216] - Quote
If they did contact you from rec channel then yes they are not allowed. But it amazes me how many people join goons, KNOWING that they are scammers? I really dont understand it... They have one of the biggest alliances, but are known for scamming new recruits so how the feck do they get so many dumb people?
This is why eve is pretty fecked cos of alliances like this. CCP seriously if you want more new players to stay in eve this is the reason why they wont and dont. But you still insist on allowing scamming...
Waiting on bitter vets to jump in with typical HTFU post.. |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
9
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 15:58:00 -
[217] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: Quote:INBOX Remove Label
Hey Mittani i got a few things i would like to tell you so if you would please take the time to read it trugh i would be honored. I know you are a busy man so ill go straight to it.
About a Week agoe i was aproached by a corp member of you called Third Flower he was nice and friendly and told me about GoonWaffe and the many opotunitys if i were to apply and get acceptet into the corperation. he seemed nice and spoke very good for the Goons.
so after a few talks i desitet to try and apply i followed the instructions Third flower gave me and made the saftey deposit as instructet both for me 650mill and for my brother Ina Rawberry 500 mill in total 1.15 bill for me that was quite a bit of isk and would take me some time to earn that back in high sec, but i took the chance. After a days or so i could see my aplication were acceptet on the goonfleet site and tought yer that was nice. But then nothing happend and after 3-4 days i contactet Third flower again asking why nothing happend yet as the payment already were acceptet. He dosnt know and asks for help from a director thats where the man Testobjekt comes into the picture and it goes down hill from there. I know you got strict ruels and such and i totaly understand that, but he starts to question me with a wery offensive and angry aproach, and we come up with that i need to pay atleast 75% of all my assets in deposit for joining so in good heart and trush in this guy and third flower i start trying tog ather the 2,6 bill more he wants from me and my brother. it takes a few hrs and its ready.
But then somthing happends Third flower sends me a mail that i dont really pay atention to but later i get to know it contains the info of a 100 bill cargo from VFK to jita and the time of departure, that ofc is very clasafied info. and Testobjekt gets very mad and we are told that our aplications have been canceled and we are blacklistet from goons cus of Third flowers mistake. After a bit of talk again he agrees that we still have a chance of joining again but to do that we would be required to give the rest bit of assets we have including 2x t3's with subsystems. I talk it over with my bro and he agrees we still very much want to be a part of this and experience war on a scale we cant anywhere in the game so we agrees and call it a night after the transfer. Then this morning i talk to Testobjekt again and he tells me its not enough and gives me a fine for a reason i dont know. The fine is 500 mill that i have to pay before 14.00 eve time and he tells me after that i can join, so i do my best but ends up short i use every last drop i have to try and make it and ends up with 250 mill and we discuss it and he tells me to pay it to him and after i join i get a new fine of 1bill.
Then downtime hits and afterwards he tells me its off and if i want a chance i need to get new 500 mill so the Gia have told him.
but after giving away ca 7.5 bill in assets i got no more and have to tell him i cant:
Thats pretty much it and im wondering if thats the way Goonwaffe do rip honest ppl off who wish to join their ranks and fight along side of them. Right now i feel ripped off and buttfucked was in good belife the hole way but was clearly desived. so would very much like to know if thats it thers no chance of Goonswarm for me ever and i will have to start all over again and spent years to build up what i had, or are there any chance i can get back what i gave in good belif to join your ranks or is everything gone for me
Really hope u took the time to read this
o7 Pilot Rave Terris i think this is the op's alt
the sad thing is you are the chair of the CSM.. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
33
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:59:00 -
[218] - Quote
No, the response is that people don't recruitment scam noobs because noobs don't have anything to scam.
Coming after GS for being newbie-unfriendly is just butthurt ignorance. |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
9
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 16:02:00 -
[219] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:No, the response is that people don't recruitment scam noobs because noobs don't have anything to scam.
Coming after GS for being newbie-unfriendly is just butthurt ignorance.
I love goon pet posts...dont worry your space is safe...you dont need to kiss mitts ass anymore..
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Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
33
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 16:05:00 -
[220] - Quote
And I love posts from people who can't formulate convincing arguments, so they resort to millennia-old logical fallacies that even children can see through. |
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lilol' me
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
9
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:35:00 -
[221] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:And I love posts from people who can't formulate convincing arguments, so they resort to millennia-old logical fallacies that even children can see through.
Wasnt even trying to form any argument, the intention was to state a fact. Which i think i clearly did. As intended.. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
76
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 16:55:00 -
[222] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:And I love posts from people who can't formulate convincing arguments, so they resort to millennia-old logical fallacies that even children can see through.
dude, Darth Dark Emperor, GO PLAY SWTOR nerd lol
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:58:00 -
[223] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:It was unenforceable, that's why it was removed. Incidents like this just demonstrated how unenforceable it was.
You've missed the whole point of the entire 11 pages, and, once again, yer dumb.
And you miss the point as a whole.
ToS 6: You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in the EVE Online game world or using the EVE Online web site.
A CCP authorized employee put in the recruitement channel info that using the recruitement channel as a platform to find victims to scam is not allowed. Someone ignored that and still did so.
The debate isn't if it's unenforceable. Someone willingly ignored an instruction and should suffer the consequences. And yes CCP can make use of backlogs to check it out if this was the case indeed and the recruitement channel was used as a platform to find their victim. Did the transgression occur while said rule was in place or not. Yes it occured with said rule in place.
Does changing the rule afterwards warrant there will be no compensation or repurcussion?
No it doesn't. Just as easy as it is to google about Goonswarm and their scam it is easy to find the rules and regulations in regards to the gameplay and forum useage for EVE-Online.
Measuring with several rulers to be easier on the one and less easy on someone else is something CCP should be very carefull with. Favouritism isn't what EVE needs at the moment, not this long after the Jita riots. Their credibility is still recovering from that and as such their way to handle such occurences is watched under more scrutiny than normal.
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Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
34
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:07:00 -
[224] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote: Someone willingly ignored an instruction and should suffer the consequences.
Prove it. You can't because it's unenforceable.
Write more words next time.
Also, yer dumb.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
95
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:13:00 -
[225] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:It was unenforceable, that's why it was removed. Incidents like this just demonstrated how unenforceable it was.
You've missed the whole point of the entire 11 pages, and, once again, yer dumb. And you miss the point as a whole. ToS 6: You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in the EVE Online game world or using the EVE Online web site. A CCP authorized employee put in the recruitement channel info that using the recruitement channel as a platform to find victims to scam is not allowed. Someone ignored that and still did so. The debate isn't if it's unenforceable. Someone willingly ignored an instruction and should suffer the consequences. And yes CCP can make use of backlogs to check it out if this was the case indeed and the recruitement channel was used as a platform to find their victim. Did the transgression occur while said rule was in place or not. Yes it occured with said rule in place. Does changing the rule afterwards warrant there will be no compensation or repurcussion? No it doesn't. Just as easy as it is to google about Goonswarm and their scam it is easy to find the rules and regulations in regards to the gameplay and forum useage for EVE-Online. Measuring with several rulers to be easier on the one and less easy on someone else is something CCP should be very carefull with. Favouritism isn't what EVE needs at the moment, not this long after the Jita riots. Their credibility is still recovering from that and as such their way to handle such occurences is watched under more scrutiny than normal.
You're still an idiot. CCP's privacy policy prevents them from revealing punitive actions, as they have stated in the past.
You have no ******* idea if they enforced the rule or not, so you're basically just being a stupid squeaky wheel at this point.
Do you know for a fact that nothing was done? Do you know for a fact if there were any consequences at all?
The obvious answer is obvious.
You continue to be an utter ****wit. |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
679
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:28:00 -
[226] - Quote
lilol' me wrote:The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: Quote:INBOX Remove Label
Hey Mittani i got a few things i would like to tell you so if you would please take the time to read it trugh i would be honored. I know you are a busy man so ill go straight to it.
About a Week agoe i was aproached by a corp member of you called Third Flower he was nice and friendly and told me about GoonWaffe and the many opotunitys if i were to apply and get acceptet into the corperation. he seemed nice and spoke very good for the Goons.
so after a few talks i desitet to try and apply i followed the instructions Third flower gave me and made the saftey deposit as instructet both for me 650mill and for my brother Ina Rawberry 500 mill in total 1.15 bill for me that was quite a bit of isk and would take me some time to earn that back in high sec, but i took the chance. After a days or so i could see my aplication were acceptet on the goonfleet site and tought yer that was nice. But then nothing happend and after 3-4 days i contactet Third flower again asking why nothing happend yet as the payment already were acceptet. He dosnt know and asks for help from a director thats where the man Testobjekt comes into the picture and it goes down hill from there. I know you got strict ruels and such and i totaly understand that, but he starts to question me with a wery offensive and angry aproach, and we come up with that i need to pay atleast 75% of all my assets in deposit for joining so in good heart and trush in this guy and third flower i start trying tog ather the 2,6 bill more he wants from me and my brother. it takes a few hrs and its ready.
But then somthing happends Third flower sends me a mail that i dont really pay atention to but later i get to know it contains the info of a 100 bill cargo from VFK to jita and the time of departure, that ofc is very clasafied info. and Testobjekt gets very mad and we are told that our aplications have been canceled and we are blacklistet from goons cus of Third flowers mistake. After a bit of talk again he agrees that we still have a chance of joining again but to do that we would be required to give the rest bit of assets we have including 2x t3's with subsystems. I talk it over with my bro and he agrees we still very much want to be a part of this and experience war on a scale we cant anywhere in the game so we agrees and call it a night after the transfer. Then this morning i talk to Testobjekt again and he tells me its not enough and gives me a fine for a reason i dont know. The fine is 500 mill that i have to pay before 14.00 eve time and he tells me after that i can join, so i do my best but ends up short i use every last drop i have to try and make it and ends up with 250 mill and we discuss it and he tells me to pay it to him and after i join i get a new fine of 1bill.
Then downtime hits and afterwards he tells me its off and if i want a chance i need to get new 500 mill so the Gia have told him.
but after giving away ca 7.5 bill in assets i got no more and have to tell him i cant:
Thats pretty much it and im wondering if thats the way Goonwaffe do rip honest ppl off who wish to join their ranks and fight along side of them. Right now i feel ripped off and buttfucked was in good belife the hole way but was clearly desived. so would very much like to know if thats it thers no chance of Goonswarm for me ever and i will have to start all over again and spent years to build up what i had, or are there any chance i can get back what i gave in good belif to join your ranks or is everything gone for me
Really hope u took the time to read this
o7 Pilot Rave Terris i think this is the op's alt the awesome thing is you are the chair of the CSM..
Fixed.
Any player in any position of "having a say" who doesn't believe scamming is an inherent part of Eve doesn't deserve to be there. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
679
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:30:00 -
[227] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:A CCP authorized employee put in the recruitement channel info that using the recruitement channel as a platform to find victims to scam is not allowed.
The very next line of that MOTD stated that any deals finalised outside of the channel were the sole risk to bear of the victim.
So which contradictory statement must I adhere to? The first one? Alphabetical order? BODMAS?
This is why it was silly, and why it is gone. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
95
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:35:00 -
[228] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:A CCP authorized employee put in the recruitement channel info that using the recruitement channel as a platform to find victims to scam is not allowed. The very next line of that MOTD stated that any deals finalised outside of the channel were the sole risk to bear of the victim. So which contradictory statement must I adhere to? The first one? Alphabetical order? BODMAS? This is why it was silly, and why it is gone.
All irrelevant to Killer Gandry's bellyaching.
He's crying because, apparently, he doesn't know for a fact that somebody got a ban for this nor that anybody was or wasn't compensated.
What makes him think he's so special that he should get feedback on his tormentors' punishment (or even the OP's reimbursement) when nobody else in Eve ever has?
That is what he's fishing for, right? Acknowledgement? Hi Killer Gandry, we see you! You're obviously real!
And obviously a real idiot if you think CCP's going to acquiesce to your request in their public forum, going back on over eight years of privacy policies. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:54:00 -
[229] - Quote
No worries, I petitioned it and I will escalate it if needed.
Breaking part of a rule is still breaking a rule. I know certain entities in EVE look differently at that. It doesn't matter.
But then again how hard would those entities have cried if they had been on the receiving end of the stick? I know we all know the answer to that one.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
95
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:57:00 -
[230] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:No worries, I petitioned it and I will escalate it if needed.
Breaking part of a rule is still breaking a rule. I know certain entities in EVE look differently at that. It doesn't matter.
But then again how hard would those entities have cried if they had been on the receiving end of the stick? I know we all know the answer to that one.
I really would like to know what you would deem worthy of an escalation, because you aren't going to get any kind of information other than "We have changed our scamming policy but we still don't violate the privacy policy due to advice from our team of lawyers."
I just wonder how many times you'll whack the escalate button TBFH.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1695
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:14:00 -
[231] - Quote
lilol' me wrote:If they did contact you from rec channel then yes they are not allowed.
Nope, you're wrong. The MOTD was changed by a GM who didn't understand the actual rules. CCP has made it very clear that recruitment scamming is fine and so is finding targets in the Recruitment channel. The only thing you're not allowed to do is post a scam directly in the channel.
The erroneous MOTD stayed there long enough because nobody was dumb enough to actually try and enforce it until now. If you log in and check the MOTD now reflects what the rules have always been.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1695
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:16:00 -
[232] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:No worries, I petitioned it and I will escalate it if needed.
If you waste too much of the GMs time with frivolous complaints you can get banned. Now wouldn't that be funny...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
95
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:23:00 -
[233] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:No worries, I petitioned it and I will escalate it if needed. If you waste too much of the GMs time with frivolous complaints you can get banned. Now wouldn't that be funny...
Posting to admit I shamelessly liked this post.
Funny barely begins to scratch the surface. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:02:00 -
[234] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Nope, you're wrong. The MOTD was changed by a GM who didn't understand the actual rules. CCP has made it very clear that recruitment scamming is fine and so is finding targets in the Recruitment channel. The only thing you're not allowed to do is post a scam directly in the channel.
The erroneous MOTD stayed there as long as it did because nobody was dumb enough to actually try and enforce it until now. If you log in and check the MOTD now reflects what the rules have always been.
Question : Was that MOTD in the Recruitement channel? Answer : Yes.
Question : Dis it state that the recruitement channel was also not allowed to be used as a platform for recruitement scams? Answer : Yes.
Question : Did the transgressor find his victim in the recruitement channel and as such has used the recruitement channel as platform to find his victim? Answer : Yes.
Question : Was there another way to adress the issue of an unenforceable rule or even wrongly placed notification from an authorized person? Answer : Yes.
Question : Even if the rule wasn't enforceable and even wrongly placed. Was there reason enough for eventual victims to assume they were save from recruitement scams, which found their initiation in the recruitement channel, due to said MOTD? Answer : Yes.
Question : Is rule number 6 of the ToS clear enough to indicate that such notifications are to be handled as a directive placed by an authorized person and to be followed till clearly stated else and the unenforceable or wrongly placed rule is removed? Answer : Yes.
Question : Does it warrant actions against the transgressor and/or a full compensation to the victim(s) while said directive was in place in the MOTD and as such were wrongfully under the impression they were free from recruitement scams from people either in or who found them in the reruitement channel? Answer : If CCP wants to appear unbiased then yes. If any other answer is given then CCP can't claim being unbiased anymore and as such lost their credibility to cater to all players but should avert to clearly stipulate they cater more to a certain kind of gameplay.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
95
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:05:00 -
[235] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Nope, you're wrong. The MOTD was changed by a GM who didn't understand the actual rules. CCP has made it very clear that recruitment scamming is fine and so is finding targets in the Recruitment channel. The only thing you're not allowed to do is post a scam directly in the channel.
The erroneous MOTD stayed there as long as it did because nobody was dumb enough to actually try and enforce it until now. If you log in and check the MOTD now reflects what the rules have always been. Question : Was that MOTD in the Recruitement channel? Answer : Yes. Question : Dis it state that the recruitement channel was also not allowed to be used as a platform for recruitement scams? Answer : Yes. Question : Did the transgressor find his victim in the recruitement channel and as such has used the recruitement channel as platform to find his victim? Answer : Yes. Question : Was there another way to adress the issue of an unenforceable rule or even wrongly placed notification from an authorized person? Answer : Yes. Question : Even if the rule wasn't enforceable and even wrongly placed. Was there reason enough for eventual victims to assume they were save from recruitement scams, which found their initiation in the recruitement channel, due to said MOTD? Answer : Yes. Question : Is rule number 6 of the ToS clear enough to indicate that such notifications are to be handled as a directive placed by an authorized person and to be followed till clearly stated else and the unenforceable or wrongly placed rule is removed? Answer : Yes. Question : Does it warrant actions against the transgressor and/or a full compensation to the victim(s) while said directive was in place in the MOTD and as such were wrongfully under the impression they were free from recruitement scams from people either in or who found them in the reruitement channel? Answer : If CCP wants to appear unbiased then yes. If any other answer is given then CCP can't claim being unbiased anymore and as such lost their credibility to cater to all players but should avert to clearly stipulate they cater more to a certain kind of gameplay.
Irrelevant. They will never say "We banned them." Their response to your squawking will be "Thank you kindly."
Not only that but it's infitessimally unlikely they'd be banned at all since scamming is allowed in Eve.
Especially scamming whales who throw their wallets into the most advertised scam in space.
Caveat emptor!
Or as PT Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute!" |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:10:00 -
[236] - Quote
Killer Gandry is still very, very bitter about being recruitment scammed, I see |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1696
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:11:00 -
[237] - Quote
So if I go out to the street, take down the sign that says "Speed Limit 25 mph" and replace it with a sign that says "Speed Limit 100 mph" then the nice policeman won't pull me over when I tear through my neighborhood at 100 mph?
I really don't know how I can simplify this for you any further: The change to the MOTD in the recruitment channel that mentioned finding targets to scam was an error. It never reflected the actual terms of service or EULA.
But keep sending in those GM tickets...that has to be a boring job and I'm sure you're keeping them well entertained. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1696
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:13:00 -
[238] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Killer Gandry is still very, very bitter about being recruitment scammed, I see
He wasn't scammed. He failed to meet our stringent requirements for becoming a member.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
36
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:15:00 -
[239] - Quote
Question : Did the transgressor find his victim in the recruitement channel and as such has used the recruitement channel as platform to find his victim? Answer : Yes.
PROVE IT! |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:17:00 -
[240] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote: Question : Did the transgressor find his victim in the recruitement channel and as such has used the recruitement channel as platform to find his victim? Answer : Yes.
wrong, moron
platform != tool
using the recruitment channel as a platform to scan would be posting in it using it as a tool to find marks would not be using it as a platform |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1696
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:19:00 -
[241] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Question : Did the transgressor find his victim in the recruitement channel and as such has used the recruitement channel as platform to find his victim? Answer : Yes.
PROVE IT!
Even if he can prove it it doesn't matter. Finding targets in the recruitment channel was never against the ToS.
The MOTD was in error.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:14:00 -
[242] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: Even if he can prove it it doesn't matter. Finding targets in the recruitment channel was never against the ToS.
The MOTD was in error.
Doesn't matter if the MOTD was in error.
As long as that MOTD was up it should have been treated as a directive from an authorized person from CCP and should have been acted upon asif it wasn't in error. By going against the directive which was stated in the MOTD the transgressor willingly chose to go against ToS rule 6 and as such has broken a rule.
The only correct way would have been to petition said wrong notification and wait till it was removed from the MOTD. He chose an action however in contradiction to the rules he agreed upon.
The victim was under a false pretence of security due to this error. As such one can argue that he is also entitled to a full compensation by CCP for his losses because he was given a false sense of security by an inaccurate MOTD.
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:17:00 -
[243] - Quote
It also amuses me to see how bitter the Goonswarm and their pets sound in this thread.
Namecalling people who don't afree with you is actually a sign that there is a certain lack somewhere else.
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Ispai Ponue
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:30:00 -
[244] - Quote
And in other news, WATER IS WET!!!
Don't join goons or test. Anyone that contacts you from these alliances (as well as others, but you can be 100% certain with these guys) and asks you to join them or rent from them is scamming you. It's so commonly known it's amazing to me that people still fall for it...but hey, people pay 350m+ for drake BPC's in Jita so...
Frankly, I don't feel the least sorry for people who would want to join well known scammers and then get scammed for trying. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1696
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:32:00 -
[245] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:It also amuses me to see how bitter the Goonswarm and their pets sound in this thread.
Why on earth would we be bitter? We got our way.
You are the one filing a bunch of petitions that are just going to get laughed at. It's against the rules to discuss specific outcomes of GM tickets but let me assure that the Goons who were involved in this mess recently got happy and uplifting messages from the GM team about this issue. I'm going to predict that you won't. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jita Alt666
937
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:45:00 -
[246] - Quote
With the MOTD on the worst channel in the spaceship game Eve Online changed this thread is now redundant and should be locked as the only options left for discussion are: Gloating about scamming Whining about scammers Posting something off topic
It is safe to say that the forces of "Eve is a cold dark universe deal wiz it" have won a minor battle against the forces of "let me shoot rocks or red crosses in a family orientated safe environment" |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
445
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:10:00 -
[247] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:It also amuses me to see how bitter the Goonswarm and their pets sound in this thread
surely this is a pyrrhic victory, bittersweet as they come |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
681
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:21:00 -
[248] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Doesn't matter if the MOTD was in error.
Yes, it does.
Here in the UK (and in many countries) it is the law to abide to road signs. They are in effect what is informing you of the law about what you are doing (driving). They are setup and maintained by the highways agency, who are not themselves the setter of the law.
To make my analogy clear:
- Signpost = MOTD - Highways agency = GM
Now. What happens if the law is changed up high, to change all 30mph zones into 35mph zone, and the highways agency misread the memo and set all the signs to 25mph?
The law in this instance would state that you need to drive within the stated speed limit (25mph). However, there is no law stating that stretch of road is actually that speed. Though you would be breaking the law to abide by the stated speed limit, there would be no *actual law* broken. Ultimately the question is asked "is 30mph in a 35mph zone speeding?" to which the answer is no. You may well get ticketed / fined for it, but an appeals court will reverse the charges. This is how it works in that frustrating place called "the real world" and how it should / does happen in this case.
n.b. you're still stating they broke the rule, but the fact is you can only create that rule if you selectively quote the MOTD. You can only create an illusion of safety if you selectively quote the MOTD because it actually TELLS THE USER that it is their own responsibility and CCP will not step in.
What part of "we will not get involved" was unclear? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
2
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:29:00 -
[249] - Quote
Quote:I checked that toon's info and found out he's the recruitment director or something. He explained me that there was an error on the deposit, it was not 500mil, but it was calculated on my total assets value, and I had to give them a total of 25% of that value, which is 3.25bil. At this point I smelled a scam, but after thinking well about it, I decided to pay the rest of the money for 2 reasons.
1. You are an Idoit 2. You are an Idoit
You gave goons 3.2bil BUAHAHAH ROFL
Quote:My deposit went from 25% of my total assets, to 75% of it, which is basically, another 6,5 billion isk. At this point the situation really looked pathetic to me
No dude it was pathetic the minute they asked for money and you where stupid enough to give it to them.
with my main over 118m sp now if i was asked to pay more than 200m isk entrance fee i would laugh my arse off at the recruiter and say no mofo you need me more than i need you, how many you got in your allince with over 100m sp maybe i should charge YOU! but i am guessing your toon isnt that epic thus you got scammed rather than taken seriously
i give you some advice STAY in empire or just sell everything you own and give it away thats what will happen if you go to 0.0 with the way you hanndled this situation you will be scamed and killed till you have nothing left there |
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:44:00 -
[250] - Quote
never ever ever ever ever ever ever believe a goon "recruiting agent" unless they are from bat country, in my experience bat country are pretty nice dudes, though though many of the other corps seem to prefer pro-trolling instead of recruitment.
also, seriously? over 3bil to JOIN a corp? didnt ask for collateral or any form of reassurance? didnt even barter to have corp-rights in exchange? hell, their are some low-sec alliances that woudl sell you the executor position for 3bil... |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:03:00 -
[251] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Yes, it does.
Here in the UK (and in many countries) it is the law to abide to road signs. They are in effect what is informing you of the law about what you are doing (driving). They are setup and maintained by the highways agency, who are not themselves the setter of the law.
So here you drive on a road which has roadsigns that indicate the maximum speed is 60 miles per hour. Then some police officer pulls you aside and informs you that the next 20 miles you may not exceed 35 miles per hour.
Well the roadsigns said 60 miles per hour so screw that police officer and his 35 miles per hour and keep on driving 60 miles per hour.
I am fairly certain it will hold well in court if you get caught doing 60 miles after being told by a police officer not to exceed 35 miles per hour. As it will hold very well in many other countries.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1697
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:44:00 -
[252] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:I am fairly certain it will hold well in court
Now you're just trolling. Nobody can be this stupid for real.
In the end it doesn't matter. No rules were broken, the Goons involved have received a sincere apology from CCP, and the integrity of the Eve sandbox has been preserved.
We win again. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
220
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:49:00 -
[253] - Quote
This is my experience of wanting to join Goonswarm: I didn't. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
977
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Posted - 2012.02.29 03:08:00 -
[254] - Quote
Wyke Mossari wrote:How can you have played long enough to accumulate 12+ Billion and still not know about the Goon recruitment scam?
yup
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.02.29 05:03:00 -
[255] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:In the end it doesn't matter. No rules were broken, the Goons involved have received a sincere apology from CCP, and the integrity of the Eve sandbox has been preserved.
We win again. Ah well, meta win huh.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2012.02.29 07:38:00 -
[256] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:In the end it doesn't matter. No rules were broken, the Goons involved have received a sincere apology from CCP, and the integrity of the Eve sandbox has been preserved.
We win again. Ah well, meta win huh.
While it's nice to pause and reflect on this victory we must keep in mind that the war against bad posting continues.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Rao Kappa
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 08:49:00 -
[257] - Quote
Ladie Harlot,
Your avatar disturbs me.
It's like a rejected concept art sketch from that Beatles animated movie back in the 60s. |
Mia Toqu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:45:00 -
[258] - Quote
Rao Kappa wrote:Ladie Harlot,
Your avatar disturbs me.
It's like a rejected concept art sketch from that Beatles animated movie back in the 60s.
lol!
i didnt like goons for all the hype they get, but now i see they actually well deserve it. (no i dont want to join -.-)
lesson: dont put yourself to shame for public entertainment. could as well shoot yourself in the foot and then bragg about it in the pub...
goons ftw. preserve the eve state of life! |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
128
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:15:00 -
[259] - Quote
This can't be real, it boggles my mind paying any ISK to join a Corp, let alone Billions!? Why would you do that? Goons must be making this whole thing up for attention or OPer has some serious problems. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3087
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:23:00 -
[260] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: Even if he can prove it it doesn't matter. Finding targets in the recruitment channel was never against the ToS.
The MOTD was in error.
Doesn't matter if the MOTD was in error. As long as that MOTD was up it should have been treated as a directive from an authorized person from CCP and should have been acted upon asif it wasn't in error. By going against the directive which was stated in the MOTD the transgressor willingly chose to go against ToS rule 6 and as such has broken a rule. The only correct way would have been to petition said wrong notification and wait till it was removed from the MOTD. He chose an action however in contradiction to the rules he agreed upon. The victim was under a false pretence of security due to this error. As such one can argue that he is also entitled to a full compensation by CCP for his losses because he was given a false sense of security by an inaccurate MOTD.
So if you joined that channel and, somehow the MoTD had been changed to "CCP Spacecorp Directive 117.32B: You must give all your assets and ISK to Malcanis immediately", then you would immediately give me all your stuff, pending further clarification or correction from CCP? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Mia Toqu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 13:35:00 -
[261] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:So if you joined that channel and, somehow the MoTD had been changed to "CCP Spacecorp Directive 117.32B: You must give all your assets and ISK to Malcanis immediately", then you would immediately give me all your stuff, pending further clarification or correction from CCP?
rule is rule. if the rule does conform with common sense in at least a slightest way, that is. handing isk to random persons doesn't include much common sense, unless that person is me ofc
put ya hands up and gimme all the isk! |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
717
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Posted - 2012.02.29 13:56:00 -
[262] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Yes, it does.
Here in the UK (and in many countries) it is the law to abide to road signs. They are in effect what is informing you of the law about what you are doing (driving). They are setup and maintained by the highways agency, who are not themselves the setter of the law.
So here you drive on a road which has roadsigns that indicate the maximum speed is 60 miles per hour. Then some police officer pulls you aside and informs you that the next 20 miles you may not exceed 35 miles per hour. Well the roadsigns said 60 miles per hour so screw that police officer and his 35 miles per hour and keep on driving 60 miles per hour. I am fairly certain it will hold well in court if you get caught doing 60 miles after being told by a police officer not to exceed 35 miles per hour. As it will hold very well in many other countries.
Actually confused about what you're trying to say. No surprise there.
It looks like you're saying you should adhere to the letter of the law (the police) regardless of what the sign says, which basically equates to "listen to the rules, not the MOTD" in my analogy.
So you're saying I'm right? OK, cool.
Or, you're saying you can willfully ignore the police advisory to slow down (hint: you cannot) and just read the signs (MOTD) and feign ignorance.
In which case you don't understand how the real world works, and I feel bad for you son.
Which makes you wrong and me right. So, either way really. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Christy D Floyd
Transportation Logistics Inc.
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The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: Quote:INBOX Remove Label
Hey Mittani i got a few things i would like to tell you so if you would please take the time to read it trugh i would be honored. I know you are a busy man so ill go straight to it.
About a Week agoe i was aproached by a corp member of you called Third Flower he was nice and friendly and told me about GoonWaffe and the many opotunitys if i were to apply and get acceptet into the corperation. he seemed nice and spoke very good for the Goons.
so after a few talks i desitet to try and apply i followed the instructions Third flower gave me and made the saftey deposit as instructet both for me 650mill and for my brother Ina Rawberry 500 mill in total 1.15 bill for me that was quite a bit of isk and would take me some time to earn that back in high sec, but i took the chance. After a days or so i could see my aplication were acceptet on the goonfleet site and tought yer that was nice. But then nothing happend and after 3-4 days i contactet Third flower again asking why nothing happend yet as the payment already were acceptet. He dosnt know and asks for help from a director thats where the man Testobjekt comes into the picture and it goes down hill from there. I know you got strict ruels and such and i totaly understand that, but he starts to question me with a wery offensive and angry aproach, and we come up with that i need to pay atleast 75% of all my assets in deposit for joining so in good heart and trush in this guy and third flower i start trying tog ather the 2,6 bill more he wants from me and my brother. it takes a few hrs and its ready.
But then somthing happends Third flower sends me a mail that i dont really pay atention to but later i get to know it contains the info of a 100 bill cargo from VFK to jita and the time of departure, that ofc is very clasafied info. and Testobjekt gets very mad and we are told that our aplications have been canceled and we are blacklistet from goons cus of Third flowers mistake. After a bit of talk again he agrees that we still have a chance of joining again but to do that we would be required to give the rest bit of assets we have including 2x t3's with subsystems. I talk it over with my bro and he agrees we still very much want to be a part of this and experience war on a scale we cant anywhere in the game so we agrees and call it a night after the transfer. Then this morning i talk to Testobjekt again and he tells me its not enough and gives me a fine for a reason i dont know. The fine is 500 mill that i have to pay before 14.00 eve time and he tells me after that i can join, so i do my best but ends up short i use every last drop i have to try and make it and ends up with 250 mill and we discuss it and he tells me to pay it to him and after i join i get a new fine of 1bill.
Then downtime hits and afterwards he tells me its off and if i want a chance i need to get new 500 mill so the Gia have told him.
but after giving away ca 7.5 bill in assets i got no more and have to tell him i cant:
Thats pretty much it and im wondering if thats the way Goonwaffe do rip honest ppl off who wish to join their ranks and fight along side of them. Right now i feel ripped off and buttfucked was in good belife the hole way but was clearly desived. so would very much like to know if thats it thers no chance of Goonswarm for me ever and i will have to start all over again and spent years to build up what i had, or are there any chance i can get back what i gave in good belif to join your ranks or is everything gone for me
Really hope u took the time to read this
o7 Pilot Rave Terris i think this is the op's alt
Proof that CSM is corrupt and useless. Instead of addressing the fact that your corp used the recruitment Ch for scamming you proceed to belittle the OP in hopes this thread will die. Down with the CSM. |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Proof that CSM is corrupt. Really? Proof how? That the leader of an alliance is gloating about his underlings gaining ISK using valid game mechanics? How is this corrupt?
It says nothing about the effectiveness either way.
Quote:Instead of addressing the fact that your corp used the recruitment Ch for scamming And?
It's not against any rules. Go check.
He simply posted other examples of game mechanics working as intended.
This makes no sense. You're either against the idea of Mittens representing the council, or you're against the council and should be gleefull Mittens "discredits" it.
So, "down with the CSM" -- why are you against player feedback?
The only thing your post shows is you're mad. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
So if you joined that channel and, somehow the MoTD had been changed to "CCP Spacecorp Directive 117.32B: You must give all your assets and ISK to Malcanis immediately", then you would immediately give me all your stuff, pending further clarification or correction from CCP?
Rofl, you start to post like a Goonswarm member or one of their pets.
If you had read carefully you would have seen that my course of action was to petition it instead of just go break the directive / rule. But go ahead Malcanis, hop on the popular Goonswarm Bandwagon of merry trolls. I am fairly certain it will look well on your future application to their ranks.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:20:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Killer Gandry is still very, very bitter about being recruitment scammed, I see He wasn't scammed. He failed to meet our stringent requirements for becoming a member.
I'm sure a background check uncovered his posting.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3090
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:48:00 -
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Mia Toqu wrote:Malcanis wrote:So if you joined that channel and, somehow the MoTD had been changed to "CCP Spacecorp Directive 117.32B: You must give all your assets and ISK to Malcanis immediately", then you would immediately give me all your stuff, pending further clarification or correction from CCP? rule is rule. if the rule does conform with common sense in at least a slightest way, that is. handing isk to random persons doesn't include much common sense, unless that person is me ofc put ya hands up and gimme all the isk!
Mia Toqu wrote: handing isk to random persons doesn't include much common sense
Hasn't this been precisely the argument that goons themselves have been making? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2908
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:50:00 -
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Cailais wrote:Op is a goon alt.
Nobodies that stupid.
C.
Apparently, though, some people are massively ******** and stupid enough to distinguish between an abbreviation of 'nobody is' (i.e., 'nobody's') and the plural form ('nobodies'). I must admit, though, that it's par for the course when someone comes along who isn't Chribba and insists on using his signature...well, signature.
On your bike, son.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3090
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:51:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Malcanis wrote:
So if you joined that channel and, somehow the MoTD had been changed to "CCP Spacecorp Directive 117.32B: You must give all your assets and ISK to Malcanis immediately", then you would immediately give me all your stuff, pending further clarification or correction from CCP?
Rofl, you start to post like a Goonswarm member or one of their pets. If you had read carefully you would have seen that my course of action was to petition it instead of just go break the directive / rule. But go ahead Malcanis, hop on the popular Goonswarm Bandwagon of merry trolls. I am fairly certain it will look well on your future application to their ranks.
I already have an invite to GSF, but it's kind of you to wish me well.
As it happens I'm happy in my current alliance, who, I might add, is full of people who also think that people who get recruitment-scammed are idiots.
Incidentally, VANIS also charge a recruitment fee. We're much cheaper than Goonswarm though (we know our place). Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
206
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Incidentally, VANIS also charge a recruitment fee. We're much cheaper than Goonswarm though (we know our place). We don't have recruitment fees, don't need that sort of money. It's a standard security deposit to make sure SPAIs can't waste the auth directors; time for free, otherwise some people would spam them up every time there was a newbie drive.
It also helps keep out the SPAIs. You wouldn't believe how many SPAIs get caught, and that's where the bounty comes from. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1708
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:58:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:my course of action was to petition it instead of just go break the directive / rule.
And how is that working out for you?
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