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saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:50:00 -
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So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor!
Duel boxing people beware. sorting by range multiboxing pvp miiiiiight get ya killed! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3148
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:53:00 -
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assumes that this guy here ^ found out the hard way.
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saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
41
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:55:00 -
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fortunatly not, but if i had there would of defiantly been petitions lol |
IceAero
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
12
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:28:00 -
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This has got to be fixed... |
Smokin Cheeba
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:33:00 -
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Does the overview still update on the client that doesn't have mouse focus? ie new targets moved to bottom? |
Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
26
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:34:00 -
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Thinking about it, people with systems such as this one might want to have it the way as it is now. I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
41
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:37:00 -
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Smokin Cheeba wrote:Does the overview still update on the client that doesn't have mouse focus? ie new targets moved to bottom?
Nope it completely freezes the overview on the monitor/client which doesnt have mouse focus |
Smokin Cheeba
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:39:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:Smokin Cheeba wrote:Does the overview still update on the client that doesn't have mouse focus? ie new targets moved to bottom? Nope it completely freezes the overview on the monitor/client which doesnt have mouse focus
Wow. Huge fail on this one. Fix needed asap. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
83
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:57:00 -
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Not exactly
If you leave you left screen with the pointer in the area of the overview, the client will consider you mouse pointer to be stuck on the right side of the left screen while in reality it is somewhere on the right screen.
If you take care to move your mouse from the left screen to the right screen but make sure you avoid the overview on the left screen when you pass over to the right the left overview will not be frozen.
For example my overview is 2/3 the height of my screen so i can go from one screen to the other in the top 1/3 and the overview on the left is not frozen.
This is tedious and not acceptable. An immediate fix is required to introduce a toggle to freeze overview or to remove overview freezing until a toggle can be coded.
Leaving it as it is for a week or two is completely unacceptable. |
Lin Fatale
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:09:00 -
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really annoying, fix it plz |
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Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
272
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:13:00 -
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No skin off my ass.
I can't believe CCP actually allows multiboxing The pie is a tautology |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
900
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:20:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:No skin off my ass.
I can't believe CCP actually allows multiboxing
Couldn't you have just drank the kool-aide with the rest of the cultists.
Your presence here and your posting habits arn't beneficial to anyone.
Also- for dual screens, Overview on the left on the left screen, Overview on the Right on the right screen.. at least this works for me. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
272
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:23:00 -
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Xolve wrote:[quote=Paragon Renegade]
Couldn't you have just drank the kool-aide with the rest of the cultists.
Your presence here and your posting habits arn't beneficial to anyone.
I'm blunt, if you dislike that, too bad.
As far as I'm concerned, multi-boxing is cheating The pie is a tautology |
Orcirk
The Baros Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:33:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Xolve wrote:[quote=Paragon Renegade]
Couldn't you have just drank the kool-aide with the rest of the cultists.
Your presence here and your posting habits arn't beneficial to anyone.
I'm blunt, if you dislike that, too bad. As far as I'm concerned, multi-boxing is cheating As far as CCP is concerned, it's not. Given that they actively encourage multiboxing through various offers aimed specifically at getting people second/third accounts, I'd have thought this to be fairly obvious. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
272
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:37:00 -
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Orcirk wrote: As far as CCP is concerned, it's not. Given that they actively encourage multiboxing through various offers aimed specifically at getting people second/third accounts, I'd have thought this to be fairly obvious.
All you've done is confirm that I disagree with CCP.
Paying for multiple accounts and monitors is essntially paying more for a larger advantage, or pay to win. Remember that? It's stupid and goes against both the premise of an MMO (Why play with others when you can do it yourself?) and the spirit of the game. The pie is a tautology |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
48
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:40:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Orcirk wrote: As far as CCP is concerned, it's not. Given that they actively encourage multiboxing through various offers aimed specifically at getting people second/third accounts, I'd have thought this to be fairly obvious.
All you've done is confirm that I disagree with CCP. Paying for multiple accounts and monitors is essntially paying more for a larger advantage, or pay to win. Remember that? It's stupid and goes against both the premise of an MMO (Why play with others when you can do it yourself?) and the spirit of the game.
When it costs less to play 2 accounts owned by one person versus two accounts that are played by two people, I'll believe you.
There are 2 accounts, who owns them is irrelevant. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
273
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:44:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:
When it costs less to play 2 accounts owned by one person versus two accounts that are played by two people, I'll believe you.
There are 2 accounts, who owns them is irrelevant.
Following that logic, Aurum should be used to buy Faction mods :D The pie is a tautology |
thatboydc
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:48:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Hauling Hal wrote:
When it costs less to play 2 accounts owned by one person versus two accounts that are played by two people, I'll believe you.
There are 2 accounts, who owns them is irrelevant.
Following that logic, Aurum should be used to buy Faction mods :D
Your statement has literally nothing to do with his statement. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
48
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:48:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Hauling Hal wrote:
When it costs less to play 2 accounts owned by one person versus two accounts that are played by two people, I'll believe you.
There are 2 accounts, who owns them is irrelevant.
Following that logic, Aurum should be used to buy Faction mods :D
No, it's accounts, not in-game items. You have a chip on your shoulder, because you think the game should be fair to solo players. It isn't, it's Eve. Get over it. Whether its one player with 2 accounts or 2 players on 2 accounts is utterly irrelevant, it's 2 accounts. Live with it and make friends. Do you cry over war decs as well? |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
273
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:49:00 -
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thatboydc wrote: Your statement has literally nothing to do with his statement.
Paying for something you wouldn't otherwise have.
It has everything to do with it.
Multiboxing is ******** and should be against the rules The pie is a tautology |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
275
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:50:00 -
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I personally love the fact CCP allows people to us multiple accounts, so we can invstigate multiple aspects of the game.
Though there is some logic in the arguement if a solo player Wardecs a 10 account multi boxer, we know who is going to win.
But that said if a solo player wardecs a 10 player corp, we also know who's going to win.
Does it follow then that you believe those 10 players are collectively 'paying to win'?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
48
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:51:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:thatboydc wrote: Your statement has literally nothing to do with his statement.
Paying for something you wouldn't otherwise have. It has everything to do with it. Multiboxing is ******** and should be against the rules
So an alliance with 400 players is 'unfair' when they kill a solo player, because they paid 400x as much?
Your logic sucks. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
273
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:53:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I personally love the fact CCP allows people to us multiple accounts, so we can invstigate multiple aspects of the game.
Though there is some logic in the arguement if a solo player Wardecs a 10 account multi boxer, we know who is going to win.
But that said if a solo player wardecs a 10 player corp, we also know who's going to win.
Does it follow then that you believe those 10 players are collectively 'paying to win'?
No, all those people need to work together as a team.
Multiboxers need to buy another monitor(s) and learn to multitask, and as a result the ONE person has a truly enormous advantage over any other single player. The pie is a tautology |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
273
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:53:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote: So an alliance with 400 players is 'unfair' when they kill a solo player, because they paid 400x as much?
Your logic sucks.
That's 400 different people -_- The pie is a tautology |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
731
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:54:00 -
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Orcirk wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:Xolve wrote:[quote=Paragon Renegade]
Couldn't you have just drank the kool-aide with the rest of the cultists.
Your presence here and your posting habits arn't beneficial to anyone.
I'm blunt, if you dislike that, too bad. As far as I'm concerned, multi-boxing is cheating As far as CCP is concerned, it's not. Given that they actively encourage multiboxing through various offers aimed specifically at getting people second/third accounts, I'd have thought this to be fairly obvious.
You should probably quit. That would send a clear message to CCP. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
48
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:57:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Hauling Hal wrote: So an alliance with 400 players is 'unfair' when they kill a solo player, because they paid 400x as much?
Your logic sucks.
That's 400 different people -_-
No, it's 400 accounts. You don't know how many are dual or triple boxing. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
273
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:59:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:
No, it's 400 accounts. You don't know how many are dual or triple boxing.
I don't really care either.
You should be able to have multiple paying accounts, but you shouldn't be able to use them simultaneously The pie is a tautology |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
275
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:01:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:
Multiboxers need to buy another monitor(s) and learn to multitask , and as a result the ONE person has a truly enormous advantage over any other single player.
What you fail to mention is they also need to pay CCP for a sub.
So -ú100 worth of accounts > -ú10 worth of accounts, why should who runs them be of any signifcance.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
48
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:03:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Hauling Hal wrote:
No, it's 400 accounts. You don't know how many are dual or triple boxing.
I don't really care either. You should be able to have multiple paying accounts, but you shouldn't be able to use them simultaneously
Why?
Please provide a valid reason, not a whinge. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
273
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:04:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:
What you fail to mention is they also need to pay CCP for a sub.
So -ú100 worth of accounts > -ú10 worth of accounts, why should who runs them be of any signifcance.
Again, then why should buying modules with real money be against the rules then? After all, paying money to CCP in exchange for an advantage, what's so bad about that?
Of course, I would never advocate that because that's stupid in a player-driven economy, just as multi-boxing is stupid because it goes against the "MMO" part of the "MMORPG"
The pie is a tautology |
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Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
273
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:06:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote: Please provide a valid reason, not a whinge.
It provides an advantage to those who shell out more cash, as it allows one person to simulate team members with............ themselves...... in what is necessarily a Multiplayer game. The pie is a tautology |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
48
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:12:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Hauling Hal wrote: Please provide a valid reason, not a whinge.
It provides an advantage to those who shell out more cash, as it allows one person to simulate team members with............ themselves...... in what is necessarily a Multiplayer game.
The advantage you talk of isn't relevant in a multi-player game, as it's multi-player. You're fighting 2, whether they are played by 2 people or the same person. When you can tell me the advantage 2 accounts has over 2 accounts I'll listen to you. Right now you're just a troll. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
82
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:13:00 -
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I think CCP should make the freezing overview optional ASAP! Holding down CTRL was enough |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
275
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:13:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote: just as multi-boxing is stupid because it goes against the "MMO" part of the "MMORPG"
No it doesn't why can't me and my alter ego's play with other players and there alter egos?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
273
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:14:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote: The advantage you talk of isn't relevant in a multi-player game, as it's multi-player. You're fighting 2, whether they are played by 2 people or the same person. When you can tell me the advantage 2 accounts has over 2 accounts I'll listen to you. Right now you're just a troll.
Why am I a troll? I'm just disagreeing with you.
In an MMO, generally you fight other players, not one masquarding (Spelling?) as twenty. It totally goes against the concept of an MMO
The pie is a tautology |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
901
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:16:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote: Why am I a troll? I'm just disagreeing with you.
In an MMO, generally you fight other players, not one masquarding (Spelling?) as twenty. It totally goes against the concept of an MMO
Someone Mad. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
333
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:04:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Xolve wrote:[quote=Paragon Renegade]
Couldn't you have just drank the kool-aide with the rest of the cultists.
Your presence here and your posting habits arn't beneficial to anyone.
I'm blunt, if you dislike that, too bad. As far as I'm concerned, multi-boxing is cheating
Nah it's not cheating. I pay more per month than you, I should be allowed some advantage for this. How are you going to stop it - allow only one instance? Then I get a virtual machine program. Or another computer. One per IP - seriously? Besides, multi-boxing for PVP is possibly the worst thing you can do - you are guaranteed to lose multiple ships. But for mining and cynos... |
Selinate
655
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:11:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:
Nah it's not cheating. I pay more per month than you, I should be allowed some advantage for this. How are you going to stop it - allow only one instance? Then I get a virtual machine program. Or another computer. One per IP - seriously? Besides, multi-boxing for PVP is possibly the worst thing you can do - you are guaranteed to lose multiple ships. But for mining and cynos...
And people bitched about pay to win with aurum. This argument for multiboxing is no better. Apparently, Eve is already pay to win.
I think CCP should start selling gold ammo. Why not put the final nail in the coffin. |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
367
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:42:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor! This is fixed internally. Hopefully we can get a round of fixes out quickly. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
333
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:54:00 -
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Selinate wrote: Eve is already pay to win.
EVE was always pay to win. Don't like your toon? Buy someone else's. Oh ok you pay in GTC's or PLEX, but it's still pay to win. How else do you get people in Rorquals who didn't know that these ships can't use stargates? |
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Jita Alt666
903
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:01:00 -
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Paragon renegade: stop the multiboxing and you will see the eve playerbase collapse. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
226
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:08:00 -
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I found this out the hard way, closest ship - malediction 100km+ on overview...So why is there a tiny red spec orbiting my ship at 500? Damn nature, you scary! |
Mammoth Akachi
Capital Storm. C0NVICTED
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:14:00 -
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a person using 2 accounts (Multi boxing) VS 2 single accounts is going to be at a disadvantage so this is not cheating or paying to win. it takes longer to do stuff. You miss stuff on the other screen.
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Orcirk
The Baros Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:17:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I personally love the fact CCP allows people to us multiple accounts, so we can invstigate multiple aspects of the game.
Though there is some logic in the arguement if a solo player Wardecs a 10 account multi boxer, we know who is going to win.
But that said if a solo player wardecs a 10 player corp, we also know who's going to win.
Does it follow then that you believe those 10 players are collectively 'paying to win'? I personally have never 10 boxed before, though this character is one of the 6 I use for grinding incursions. Rest assured, if I got wardecced by a 1 man corp, it would not go well for him
The irony here is that I know, from experience, that if I take one of my toons, and wardec a 10 man corp, I'll stomp the floor with them more often than not (and I tend to prefer larger targets anyway, 10 people rarely tend to have many active members, alliances with 150+ are more fun)
With all that said:
I actually DO think eve would be a much better game without alts. Capitals/supercaps would be more corp-oriented assets spies wouldn't be so absurdly easy to make/plant etc. It will NEVER happen, since eve's playerbase would shrink to about half its current size overnight, assuming people didn't just work their way around whatever blocks get put up, but it's a nice thought at least. |
Arsedestroyer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:18:00 -
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You can't play eve outside highsec or a blob in anything non-cloaky or bigger than a frig. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
902
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:19:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Multiboxing is ******** and should be against the rules
Your posting is ******** and should be against the rules. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
811
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:28:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor! This is fixed internally. Hopefully we can get a round of fixes out quickly.
Ok Veritas, be honest: how late did you work to make this happen so fast? :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor! This is fixed internally. Hopefully we can get a round of fixes out quickly. Ok Veritas, be honest: how late did you work to make this happen so fast? :) -Liang Today was a long day. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
811
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:58:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor! This is fixed internally. Hopefully we can get a round of fixes out quickly. Ok Veritas, be honest: how late did you work to make this happen so fast? :) -Liang Today was a long day.
Yeah, I bet. Well we appreciate your hard work. Now I'm looking forward to that deployment tomorrow! <3 <3
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
145
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:27:00 -
[50] - Quote
ccp veritas best veritas |
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Doggy Dogwoofwoof
Doggy Missions
12
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:05:00 -
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Gil, That sounds WRONG. Very, Very Wrong |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
334
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:05:00 -
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Overview still has trouble with the scroll bar though - sometimes you are no longer able to click on stuff in the list unless you click on the scroll bar again. If there is no scroll bar make the box smaller so a scroll bar appears, click on it, then resize the box back and you can select stuff. Funny how you can make changes to a section of code while leaving the basic bugs unchanged. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
67
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:36:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor! This is fixed internally. Hopefully we can get a round of fixes out quickly. Ok Veritas, be honest: how late did you work to make this happen so fast? :) -Liang Today was a long day. Yeah, I bet. Well we appreciate your hard work. Now I'm looking forward to that deployment tomorrow! <3 <3 -Liang Thanx Veritas. Mucho gracias. Now go get drunk.
Knew I woudlnt be the only one that this would affect.
As for lil miss against multiboxing....ha!! Go away troll back under your bridge!! Try MINING without a hauler, back BEFORE the advent of barges. Try finding a FRIEND whos willing to sit there and haul for you cuz you cant multibox it. Someone always willing to be at your beck and call, especially if a can flipper shows up and you NEED that hauler ASAP!! Cuz I know youll get LOTS of those friends and not have to pay to keep them around. And that was HOW many years ago already?
Mmmhmmm. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Ohanka
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
14
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:38:00 -
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Don't play with more than one monitor. You don't need more than one
now go away. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
812
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:15:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Overview still has trouble with the scroll bar though - sometimes you are no longer able to click on stuff in the list unless you click on the scroll bar again. If there is no scroll bar make the box smaller so a scroll bar appears, click on it, then resize the box back and you can select stuff. Funny how you can make changes to a section of code while leaving the basic bugs unchanged.
Uh, that's probably not in the same section of code. Also, its highly unlikely that every bug that's ever been reported about "the overview" was delivered to him to sift through when he was given the task to update the refresh rate.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Katja Norolyev
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:20:00 -
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Orcirk wrote:I actually DO think eve would be a much better game without alts. Capitals/supercaps would be more corp-oriented assets spies wouldn't be so absurdly easy to make/plant etc. It will NEVER happen, since eve's playerbase would shrink to about half its current size overnight, assuming people didn't just work their way around whatever blocks get put up, but it's a nice thought at least.
Well said.
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Try MINING without a hauler, back BEFORE the advent of barges. Try finding a FRIEND whos willing to sit there and haul for you cuz you cant multibox it. Someone always willing to be at your beck and call, especially if a can flipper shows up and you NEED that hauler ASAP!! Cuz I know youll get LOTS of those friends and not have to pay to keep them around. And that was HOW many years ago already?
Mmmhmmm.
Now that we've heard from the "I like my EVE on easy mode!" crowd, try imagining the depth and immersion of a game where one of the plausible professions is being a freelance hauler in a busy mining system because all those miners can't just cheese cargo robots. You could even go crooked and occasionally drum up business by paying a can flipper to harass the system occasionally.
Imagine a game where you ACTUALLY can't trust anyone else because there are no two characters whos motivations come from the same source. There'd always be that twinge of doubt when you jumped to a cyno, or your scout told you the gate was clear, etc.
Imagine a game where a well-oiled mining op or something comperable was a real accomplishment, instead of just a poor fallback if you can't 10-box.
For anyone that actually appreciates the fact that the harsh environs of EVE lend legitimacy to the completion of even simple tasks, removing multiboxing would create a staggeringly more complex and immersive game. I bet guys like Eternus here like to join in with the "go back to WoW" when someone complains about training times or pirates, but turns around and spews this bunk when making the game more difficult is suggested.
It is sad that this would be nearly impossible to impliment. As it stands, I merely pretend alts are, in fact, programmable androids that very rich capsuleers can afford. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4931
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:26:00 -
[57] - Quote
WTH is a GÇ£nurfGÇ¥?
Also, what's so hard about mining without a hauler (or without alts for that matter)? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
67
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:38:00 -
[58] - Quote
Katja Norolyev wrote:Orcirk wrote:I actually DO think eve would be a much better game without alts. Capitals/supercaps would be more corp-oriented assets spies wouldn't be so absurdly easy to make/plant etc. It will NEVER happen, since eve's playerbase would shrink to about half its current size overnight, assuming people didn't just work their way around whatever blocks get put up, but it's a nice thought at least. Well said. Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Try MINING without a hauler, back BEFORE the advent of barges. Try finding a FRIEND whos willing to sit there and haul for you cuz you cant multibox it. Someone always willing to be at your beck and call, especially if a can flipper shows up and you NEED that hauler ASAP!! Cuz I know youll get LOTS of those friends and not have to pay to keep them around. And that was HOW many years ago already?
Mmmhmmm.
Now that we've heard from the "I like my EVE on easy mode!" crowd, try imagining the depth and immersion of a game where one of the plausible professions is being a freelance hauler in a busy mining system because all those miners can't just cheese cargo robots. You could even go crooked and occasionally drum up business by paying a can flipper to harass the system occasionally. Imagine a game where you ACTUALLY can't trust anyone else because there are no two characters whos motivations come from the same source. There'd always be that twinge of doubt when you jumped to a cyno, or your scout told you the gate was clear, etc. Imagine a game where a well-oiled mining op or something comperable was a real accomplishment, instead of just a poor fallback if you can't 10-box. For anyone that actually appreciates the fact that the harsh environs of EVE lend legitimacy to the completion of even simple tasks, removing multiboxing would create a staggeringly more complex and immersive game. I bet guys like Eternus here like to join in with the "go back to WoW" when someone complains about training times or pirates, but turns around and spews this bunk when making the game more difficult is suggested. It is sad that this would be nearly impossible to impliment. As it stands, I merely pretend alts are, in fact, programmable androids that very rich capsuleers can afford. Yeah and pretend that Eve isnt based on larceny and piracy from the get go and handing over your precious cargo to some stranger for haulage will get it stolen faster than anything else ever will. Yeah imagine that...
Yeah imagine an Eve where you cant trust anyone.....wait thats already here....
Yeah imagine a game thats more like real life where you have to get a zillion people together to take ****... you can call it "Girlz Online In the Bathroom" too. Cuz you know its lots of fun sitting around and having to wait for 60 people to log in and form up for EVERYTHING you do. Its GREAT bliss wasting that precious hour of game time you might have waiting around for that special someone to get it right only to have them jump the gate ahead of time and ruin it all in 5 mins. Cuz you know its OH so much fun that way. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
242
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:45:00 -
[59] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor! This is fixed internally. Hopefully we can get a round of fixes out quickly. Ok Veritas, be honest: how late did you work to make this happen so fast? :) -Liang Today was a long day. OK CAN WE HURRY THIS UP PLZ I DONT LIKE GETTING A WHOLE FLEET WARPED IN ON MY OTHER ACCOUNT WHILE OVERVIEW FROZEN DOESNT SHOW ANYTHING AND THEN POOF IM DED
ROLLOUT HOTFIX ASAP |
Katja Norolyev
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:47:00 -
[60] - Quote
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Yeah and pretend that Eve isnt based on larceny and piracy from the get go and handing over your precious cargo to some stranger for haulage will get it stolen faster than anything else ever will. Yeah imagine that...
Yeah imagine an Eve where you cant trust anyone.....wait thats already here....
Yeah imagine a game thats more like real life where you have to get a zillion people together to take ****... you can call it "Girlz Online In the Bathroom" too. Cuz you know its lots of fun sitting around and having to wait for 60 people to log in and form up for EVERYTHING you do. Its GREAT bliss wasting that precious hour of game time you might have waiting around for that special someone to get it right only to have them jump the gate ahead of time and ruin it all in 5 mins. Cuz you know its OH so much fun that way.
TL;DR "I'm not very bright. Socializing is hard. Solo productivity is hard. I liek E-Z. Moar accnts, pl0x." |
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
67
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
Katja Norolyev wrote:
TL;DR "I'm not very bright. Socializing is hard. Solo productivity is hard. I liek E-Z. Moar accnts, pl0x."
Socializing isnt hard. I just dont want to do it with you. Except on an internet forum where we slam each others ideas constantly. Solo productivity isnt hard. I can afford more accounts thereby increasing my range and utility just like a person with more employees or more robots can do more with them. You prefer real people I prefer machines. I prefer being in control instead of having every lil moron screw things up for me whereas you like to feed your ego into thinking that your lil world is better than mine because you have all your friends around you. You give up certain freedoms and rights to have that social inclusion and I laugh at it and use the tools at hand to free myself from that loss.
I refuse to do things like you so therefore I am not bright. Well then considering there are millions of people who do not do things like you, in fact EVERY genius on this earth does NOT do things how you do things...guess your not bright then either by your own standards. Hmmm....
Why oh why Mr Anderson do you persist.....Because I choose to. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Katja Norolyev
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:56:00 -
[62] - Quote
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Katja Norolyev wrote:
TL;DR "I'm not very bright. Socializing is hard. Solo productivity is hard. I liek E-Z. Moar accnts, pl0x."
Socializing isnt hard. I just dont want to do it with you. Except on an internet forum where we slam each others ideas constantly. Solo productivity isnt hard. I can afford more accounts thereby increasing my range and utility just like a person with more employees or more robots can do more with them. You prefer real people I prefer machines. I prefer being in control instead of having every lil moron screw things up for me whereas you like to feed your ego into thinking that your lil world is better than mine because you have all your friends around you. You give up certain freedoms and rights to have that social inclusion and I laugh at it and use the tools at hand to free myself from that loss. I refuse to do things like you so therefore I am not bright. Well then considering there are millions of people who do not do things like you, in fact EVERY genius on this earth does NOT do things how you do things...guess your not bright then either by your own standards. Hmmm.... Why oh why Mr Anderson do you persist.....Because I choose to.
My bet is sixteen. Offering 2-1. Takers? |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
67
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Posted - 2012.02.17 05:02:00 -
[63] - Quote
Katja Norolyev wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Katja Norolyev wrote:
TL;DR "I'm not very bright. Socializing is hard. Solo productivity is hard. I liek E-Z. Moar accnts, pl0x."
Socializing isnt hard. I just dont want to do it with you. Except on an internet forum where we slam each others ideas constantly. Solo productivity isnt hard. I can afford more accounts thereby increasing my range and utility just like a person with more employees or more robots can do more with them. You prefer real people I prefer machines. I prefer being in control instead of having every lil moron screw things up for me whereas you like to feed your ego into thinking that your lil world is better than mine because you have all your friends around you. You give up certain freedoms and rights to have that social inclusion and I laugh at it and use the tools at hand to free myself from that loss. I refuse to do things like you so therefore I am not bright. Well then considering there are millions of people who do not do things like you, in fact EVERY genius on this earth does NOT do things how you do things...guess your not bright then either by your own standards. Hmmm.... Why oh why Mr Anderson do you persist.....Because I choose to. My bet is sixteen. Offering 2-1. Takers? Im assuming you mean 16 years old.... Well I just turned 33 a few days ago so you lose. Now Ill take your 2-1 on that you only have 16 IQ though. Thats easy money right there. Even if you win and have 17 Ill still just take it away from you anyway. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Jiska Ensa
Unour Heavy Industries
53
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Posted - 2012.02.17 05:04:00 -
[64] - Quote
Man this thread is off topic...
But I'll add to it.
The "Gold Ammo" debacle had nothing to do with "paying more to get more". It had to do with "paying to get things spawned out of thin air that weren't initially received/generated through ingame means."
You can already use real money to buy plex, then use the isk to buy a titan. That's fine because the titan (and the isk) remains within the confines of the eve economy. Someone had to go out and mine for it, hold sov and build it, train for it, whatever.
Having multiple accounts is fine as well, because it does not spawn objects out of thin air (except for a few noobships and 5000 isk. Small potatoes) The day that I log in on my second account and find I receive a supercarrier "just because you paid us twice as much as this troll on the forums who we don't like," I'll start worrying.
So to summerize, paying to win is fine as long as it does not spawn/create/give objects/skills/abilities that were not otherwise obtained through in game means, or otherwise happened outside of the forces of the eve economy. Minerals must be mined, modules must be looted/produced. Paying CCP for isk is ok, so long as the exchange value is dictated by market forces. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
504
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Posted - 2012.02.17 05:10:00 -
[65] - Quote
Multiboxing is fun. So is playing with a single account. I've done both and don't see any reason to restrict youself for either of those forever. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Katja Norolyev
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 05:16:00 -
[66] - Quote
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Im assuming you mean 16 years old.... Well I just turned 33 a few days ago so you lose.
It's adorable how you make this claim like it somehow renders your posts less pitiful, but I assume the comedy is totally lost on you. Protip - Don't be so ambitious next time; most 30+ers have a firm grasp on spelling, grammar, and punctuation. I might have believed 21 at the outside.
Fun as this has been, I give up. It's starting to feel like I'm punching a baby. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
83
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:46:00 -
[67] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor! This is fixed internally. Hopefully we can get a round of fixes out quickly.
Tell them to remove that feature while your at it, or at least make it optional |
GeekWarrior
S0utherN Comfort Controlled Chaos
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:51:00 -
[68] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:So this freezing overview not only freezes when the mouse is over it, but when the mouse is over on another monitor! This is fixed internally. Hopefully we can get a round of fixes out quickly.
Thank you! I noticed this last night, luckily it was a non-combat situation, but this could easily become a big isssue. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1014
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Posted - 2012.02.17 18:38:00 -
[69] - Quote
Jiska Ensa wrote:Man this thread is off topic...
But I'll add to it.
The "Gold Ammo" debacle had nothing to do with "paying more to get more". It had to do with "paying to get things spawned out of thin air that weren't initially received/generated through ingame means."
You can already use real money to buy plex, then use the isk to buy a titan. That's fine because the titan (and the isk) remains within the confines of the eve economy. Someone had to go out and mine for it, hold sov and build it, train for it, whatever.
Having multiple accounts is fine as well, because it does not spawn objects out of thin air (except for a few noobships and 5000 isk. Small potatoes) The day that I log in on my second account and find I receive a supercarrier "just because you paid us twice as much as this troll on the forums who we don't like," I'll start worrying.
So to summerize, paying to win is fine as long as it does not spawn/create/give objects/skills/abilities that were not otherwise obtained through in game means, or otherwise happened outside of the forces of the eve economy. Minerals must be mined, modules must be looted/produced. Paying CCP for isk is ok, so long as the exchange value is dictated by market forces.
Nicely put.
The standard definition of Pay to Win in gaming is the ability to spend cash on items that:
A: Give an in game advantage over other players B: Can not be obtained via in game currency or through normal game play.
Frankly in EVE the concept of Gold Ammo can not exist.
To address other points in this thread:
1: You do not necessarily need to pay real cash to run multiple accounts. Anybody can fund additional (or all) accounts purely with in game currency if they wish.
2: While multiboxing can have advantages in PVE activities, and can grant a certain amount of independence, it is generally not as efficient as separate people running multiple accounts in a combat situation.
3: People buy faction modules with cash all the time, via PLEX. This is fine as they are also bought with ISK all the time as well.
4: Your definition of "cheating" is irrelevant to everyone except yourself.
5: The ability to multibox is one concession made to people who wish to play EVE solo. While I am not a proponent of that playstyle, even I have to admit they don't get many bones thrown thier way...
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
21
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:12:00 -
[70] - Quote
Paragon Renegade wrote:Xolve wrote:[quote=Paragon Renegade]
Couldn't you have just drank the kool-aide with the rest of the cultists.
Your presence here and your posting habits arn't beneficial to anyone.
I'm blunt, if you dislike that, too bad. As far as I'm concerned, multi-boxing is cheating
wtf is "cheating"? Have you played eve?
Anyways, I dual box but just a scout or whatever so I haven't noticed the overview thing. My question is, does it update once u get mouse focus on the other screen? As in as soon as you interact with that client does the overview work?
If so, while annoying no doubt, is it that big of a problem? Just add an extra click in no? |
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Aruchamet
Quantum Pathways
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:34:00 -
[71] - Quote
Rath Kelbore wrote: wtf is "cheating"? Have you played eve?
The only cheating i see in game is people using macro's or bots in my humble opinion.
Edit* oh and i think they fixed the dual screen problem with the last hotfix. |
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