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Beggs
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Posted - 2004.04.05 08:18:00 -
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This is a copy of a petition i've just sent to CPP:
I've been playing Eve for nearly a month now as the character Beggs and have loved the game. My terminally ill step son Robert has also started playing as the character Claude Buitton, its been one of the few things that's made him smile over the last couple of weeks. We spend lots of time sitting playing next to each other enjoying what could be his last year of life. Something happened tonight that made me physically sick. I've been helping build The Calalyst corporation for most of the time ive spent in the game, the corp ideal is to help each other and have fun. Helping new players into the game is something we've all grown to enjoy. Around a week ago we signed a player called Circe Hadiye, she seemed a genuinely warm a and friendly person and we all grew to trust her. Earlier today the CEO and i decided to make her head of corp PR and give her access to the corporation hangers, since then she has stripped everything we had and taken it for herself. When i logged on earlier to start Claudes next training she announced what shed done with this message http://www.plankdoo.com/links/evidence.jpg (please read it because it is stomach churning), we've lost around 30 million. She even offered to buy a Rupture for me while i was offline that she knew i was going to give to Claude (my real aim in this game is to make him happy), i gave her 5 million for this. Of course this is gone as well. I don't know how im going to tell Robert what has happened when he wakes up tomorrow, she was even sick enough to take everything from his hanger. He'll be devastated. Please do something about this, what has happened may be within the rules of a game but this goes beyond the game i think.
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Grandeur
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Posted - 2004.04.05 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: Grandeur on 05/04/2004 08:33:56 Pardon my possible rudeness, but is this something like those damned Africa scams I've been getting in my emails?
On another note, there are some rotten people out there, just goes to show don't trust a soul here. Unless you're part of a larger corp.
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Xhanserbal
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Posted - 2004.04.05 08:30:00 -
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There are some sick people out there.
No offense beggs but giving someone all them rights after 5 days is a little stupid. It kinda asking to be robbed.
But I agree with you ccp need to make corp stealing alot harder at the moment it has more reward and less risk that 1.0 afk mining.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.05 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mitchello on 05/04/2004 08:48:38 I am in agreement as to the nasty underhanded actions of that specific character, a person who is willing to do this in EVE is certainly lacking in honor, morality, etc...in there real life. I think that the best possible thought that can be taken from all of this is at least that EVE serves as a cathartic release for these blue ribbon winning models of human interaction. With out EVE to act out in they might do more than steal the change off their mother's dresser or slip a candy bar into the pocket of their jacket in 7-11.
I would how ever like to point out that as in all RPG games it is totally not Kosher to play on the heart strings of the players with Real Life problems. But venting happens.
You were taken advantage of because the game mechanics allow for it. You have no way to really tell what a person is like, so you can get scammed no matter how hard you look, not cool by any measure.
In truth these people are disappointing to them selves as much as to the rest of us, but that is there lot in life and with such a lazy person with a self-destructive attitude like that you just have to chuckle at there antics and let them ruin them selves, in EVE and in RL...So pull your self up by your bootstraps and build it all again. you did it once, you can do it again. It is more sad than anything else.
good luck Beggs.
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Janus Rebelknight
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Posted - 2004.04.05 09:29:00 -
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I'm afraid what happened to you is not really an exploit. Its an absolutely horrible thing to do, especiallly given your son's condition but as your CEO said, its just a game.
You LET her in and gave her access to everything yourself. Would you do that in real life?
Would you give someone you had known for FIVE days access to all your bank accounts, give them all your keys and access codes?
Still she would have done it after FIFTY but nevertheless the lesson here is never give anyone complete access to the corps holdings. And never keep all your money in the corp wallet!
And dude giving her a further five million to get a ship back off her? She had you over the barrel didn't she?
Trust NO one in EVE.
Our CEO keeps most of the corp funds with him.
She didn't hack your account. So its not an exploit. And CCP have said consistantly that it isn't.
Declare war on the new corp she creates. Or pay merc frigates or snigerdly to ice her for you.
I bet she was an alt though, so you'll never she her again. In fact I'd be willing to bet 'she' no longer exists.
----- Janus "I'm not a stripper, I'm a miner." |
FZappa
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Posted - 2004.04.05 09:41:00 -
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you gave someone access to corp hangars after 5 days ?
seriously , you shouldnt run a corp . -------------------------
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Homo Habilis
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Posted - 2004.04.05 09:47:00 -
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I hope they don't give you anything back and deny your petition.
What happened to you sucks, and it's completely your fault.
The condition your son is in is a drag. But putting stock in eve as a happiness booster is not a good idea.
This game is brutal, and I like it that way.
However, I will buy your son a fully outfitted Rupture cruiser.
Contact "Homo Erectus" in game eve-mail to arrange this.
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AsInnocentAsItGets
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Posted - 2004.04.05 10:20:00 -
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Quote: I hope they don't give you anything back and deny your petition.
What happened to you sucks, and it's completely your fault.
The condition your son is in is a drag. But putting stock in eve as a happiness booster is not a good idea.
This game is brutal, and I like it that way.
However, I will buy your son a fully outfitted Rupture cruiser.
Contact "Homo Erectus" in game eve-mail to arrange this.
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eFitHero
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Posted - 2004.04.05 10:45:00 -
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Quote: Pardon my possible rudeness, but is this something like those damned Africa scams I've been getting in my emails?
Glad its not just me getting those mails then...
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:07:00 -
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Quote: I hope they don't give you anything back and deny your petition.
What happened to you sucks, and it's completely your fault.
The condition your son is in is a drag. But putting stock in eve as a happiness booster is not a good idea.
This game is brutal, and I like it that way.
However, I will buy your son a fully outfitted Rupture cruiser.
Contact "Homo Erectus" in game eve-mail to arrange this.
Considering everything I've heard about you on these forums Homo, I must say I'm pleasently supprised.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte |
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:14:00 -
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Terribly unlucky :(
My first corp was victim to a corp thief. We formed a new corp out of the ashes of it and haven't looked back since.
Convo me in-game and i'm sure TimeTech Corp will be able to give you a helping hand. _________________________________
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Shaemell Buttleson
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:20:00 -
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Sorry for what ahs happened. It does make you feel sick. Never trust anyone at least for a month or two with access to your things.
Word of warning as well about other scams that you can do nothing about.
1: Direct trade in stations. You can use the a feature ingame to rename your ships. The scam is to rename a ship such as an Omen cruiser as Apocalypse. Allways check the info before you agree. they cant change that.
2: Escrow. Basicly the same thing as above. Items are marked as something they are not, as above allways check the info. Don't get put off from escrow though it is a really usefull tool to use.
There are others i'm sure so be carefull and i'm sorry for your upset.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:29:00 -
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Quote: I hope they don't give you anything back and deny your petition.
What happened to you sucks, and it's completely your fault.
The condition your son is in is a drag. But putting stock in eve as a happiness booster is not a good idea.
This game is brutal, and I like it that way.
However, I will buy your son a fully outfitted Rupture cruiser.
Contact "Homo Erectus" in game eve-mail to arrange this.
if he's not on.. contact me
i have some ruptures lying around.. fully outfitted with cAKe Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:46:00 -
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Quote:
if he's not on.. contact me
i have some ruptures lying around.. fully outfitted with cAKe
bUBbLeS, this one's for you
And this
My life in pictures: |
bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:55:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
if he's not on.. contact me
i have some ruptures lying around.. fully outfitted with cAKe
bUBbLeS, this one's for you
And this
looool
father ted rules!!!
cAKe, drink, gurls, cAKe, fack Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:56:00 -
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My life in pictures: |
Lucre
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:02:00 -
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Quote: I don't know how im going to tell Robert what has happened when he wakes up tomorrow, she was even sick enough to take everything from his hanger.
How did she manage to take stuff from his hanger? No corp privilege will (AFAIK) let someone take stuff from member's hangers, only corp ones.
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AsInnocentAsItGets
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:08:00 -
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Quote:
Considering everything I've heard about you on these forums Homo, I must say I'm pleasently supprised.
Ohh.. you havn't seen the pic with him and the squirrel then. I was on to him as soon as I saw that pic
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Alexander Rahl
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:10:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: I don't know how im going to tell Robert what has happened when he wakes up tomorrow, she was even sick enough to take everything from his hanger.
How did she manage to take stuff from his hanger? No corp privilege will (AFAIK) let someone take stuff from member's hangers, only corp ones.
You are quite correct Lucre. There is no way anyone can take things from your personal hangar, not even a CEO. Which means that either Beggs is a little confused and is refering to one of the divisions as having his sons stuff in or... well the or is not worth going into because its too sad to contemplate.
However bad this is it might make you reassess how quickly you promote someone in your corp. Just allowing limited access at first is a must for assessing how trustworthy a new corp member is. However, if there is anything you need that I may be able to help you with then dont hesitate to convo me ingame. ----/ / /-----<[]>-----\ \ \---- Head of House Rahl Warleader of the Rahl Clans
"Death and Glory, Honour with Courage, Fury and Vengeance" - Chronicles of Rahl. |
Grimster
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:12:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: I don't know how im going to tell Robert what has happened when he wakes up tomorrow, she was even sick enough to take everything from his hanger.
How did she manage to take stuff from his hanger? No corp privilege will (AFAIK) let someone take stuff from member's hangers, only corp ones.
Hmm, security officer let's you peer into and add stuff to member hangars, didn't think you could remove from them though...
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Trowser
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:23:00 -
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Sorry to hear about this our corp just recently suffered a corp theft
Naaimachine decided to take everything out of the usable and weapons-ammo hangers.
Most people have access to those hangers so they can fit out thier ships but now this guy has everything in his hanger. Now though annoying it was no big deal we replaced all lost items in about 1 hour by taking all the factories over in the system and curning out equipment.
After being in my corp for nearly 4 months I now have access to quite a few hangers I am a sercurity officer and personel officer but the only people whoi get full access to the BP in our hanger are the directors who started the corp now I can have the BP's if I want but I have to ask.
Controlling access is important as long as the trust is there a corp member can have anything he wants he only has to ask.
Learn from this and restrict access it happens to every corp once in a while most of the time no real harm is done occasionally it was destroy a corp but aslong as everyone in your corp wants to stay together and contibute to rebuilding it wont take long for you to get back to where you were
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 05/04/2004 12:35:15
Quote: I hope they don't give you anything back and deny your petition.
What happened to you sucks, and it's completely your fault.
The condition your son is in is a drag. But putting stock in eve as a happiness booster is not a good idea.
This game is brutal, and I like it that way.
However, I will buy your son a fully outfitted Rupture cruiser.
Contact "Homo Erectus" in game eve-mail to arrange this.
No CAPS I'm impressed...
BTW, this "terminal heal step son" story could be a scam to win some bucks from sensible players.
(if it's not a scam i'm deeply sorry and i hope you continue to give your love to the little guy everyday. Each day is a conquest, a victory. Godspeed) Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:31:00 -
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Quote:
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Considering everything I've heard about you on these forums Homo, I must say I'm pleasently supprised.
Ohh.. you havn't seen the pic with him and the squirrel then. I was on to him as soon as I saw that pic
I never saw that picture, can you post a link?
This is not a hijack
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Inconstant Moon
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:51:00 -
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in the game, these horrible people will do these things and say, "it's only roleplaying"
in life, these horrible people will do these things and say, "it's just business"
and real people get hurt and lose their desire to play, or lose their desire to enjoy life. if this means nothing to you, then you are sick and the human race would be better without you.
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eFitHero
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: eFitHero on 05/04/2004 13:01:36
Quote: and real people get hurt and lose their desire to play, or lose their desire to enjoy life. if this means nothing to you, then you are sick and the human race would be better without you.
But really ...its only a game
I think, to think of Eve any more than that is a little twisted in its self
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.05 13:48:00 -
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For a new small corp its hard to know when to trust a player.
We use a relatively simple method of letting new players first get access to only ammo.
We then let them play for a while so that we get a feel for them as persons.
Then we allow them to get into module hangars, being an old corp we have huge amounts of modules in there, most of wich is realy not much use to the corp.
This is the first real test, most corp thives fall for this one and clean it out making some isk in loot junk, for a small time corp thief the amount seems large but is mostly a nucience to us and weeding the player out is what is important.
Over the uppcomming months we give access to the better hangars and in the end they become senior members and as such can build from our BP's and so on.
For us it has worked well but like I posted in the begining, a new corp forming do not have the meens or time to do this properly and thus may promote a thiving a-hole.
All I can say to Beggs is 30M is not all that much, you will be able to regroup quickly and your corp will actually be stronger for it.
Also, if the thief did not do the alt thief trick you amy want to consider trying to sneak an alt into the thiefs new corp and steal the isk right back :)
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.04.05 15:31:00 -
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even though it is your fault i do sympathise.
our corp gives hangar access relatively easy and were lucky enough not to have been robbed yet (skillz or thieves dont take this as an invitation to ron us).
if you want when she makes her own corp please let me know, we will happily take her out for you and provide you with a corpse for no charge.
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
Bellon
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Posted - 2004.04.05 15:49:00 -
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It's a sad story alright, but you maybe learned a lesson out of it? I am truly sorry about your son (if that story is true and not your way of getting pitty by others and by that scamming other people), but what has he to do with it?
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Fluid
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Posted - 2004.04.05 16:08:00 -
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This sucks, put as already said, its not an exploit just make sure you make this persons life hell in game from now on. Also gimme a mail or something ingame and i'll set u up with a few mil to get started again
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.04.05 16:09:00 -
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Yeah, this is a problem in EVE, and it does suck. I'm sorry to hear this happened to your corporation.
What I'd really like is for EVE to allow us to lock down hangars by specific stations (so we could create a "vault" so to speak for very valuable items). We do something similar, where we allow members access to what we call "The Junk Drawer" from the beginning -- mostly low-level NPC loot; after that, people get access to the hangars they need to operate. Anything expensive either stays in my personal hangar or in very secure hangars that nobody has access to.
It sucks, but that's the way it has to be until CCP does something to fix this.
As much as their "scams are part of the game" mantra goes on, it is absurd. No corporation in real life would only have seven closets in the whole company where people could store stuff. And nowhere in the world would the closets in the Corporation HQ have the same security as the closets in some backwater sales office.
Needs fixed, and unless Shiva is next week, i don't want to wait for it!
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