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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
964
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:11:00 -
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This is petition to restore all the item names which were already renamed and to stop the entire renaming process for good.
CCP clearly ignores the fact that old item names are well known to most veteran players and they give depth and variety to the game. Simple tasks like manufacturing, trading, pvp or missioning become pain when you don't know what your modules or ammo do any more. You have to learn everything again.
I wonder what is the idea behind this... Is it better that new player learns stuff once or that new player learns stuff once and old player studies the same stuff twice? This has to be CCP logic.
Another thing to remember is that renaming the items do not only affect those who play the game, but also those who have done or use external 3rd party programs or spreadsheets. Fixing all 3rd party data containers will cause work hours for years.
Please sign up if you're with me in this fail boat.
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Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
123
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:13:00 -
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I support CCP on this change.
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TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
22
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:14:00 -
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Veteran players have already made all the alts they need. Friendlier interface = more new players that can understand the game = more new alt accounts = more RL ISK for CCP. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
450
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:15:00 -
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Dumbing EVE down for the new peeps is CCPs FOTM.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2532
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:15:00 -
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Alistair Cononach wrote:I support CCP on this change.
yep
too bad the forums don't have a dislike so we can negrep the op into oblivion |
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
123
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:19:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Dumbing EVE down for the new peeps is CCPs FOTM.
There is nothing "smart" about an artificial and needlessly complicated barrier-of-entry to new players.
For Veterans, such as myself, I'll never understand the hatred toward positive changes designed to streamline and ease new player entry.
Without new players subbing and playing, we Vets will have fewer and fewer people to kill.
If getting a few hundred new targets to pew pew means streamlining the naming convention of modules to somethign logical and straitforward, so be it. It's worth more to the games long-term health to retain new players than it is to appease bittervets over mod. names. |
Kyle Valentine
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:29:00 -
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Accessibility < Immersion.
Too much accessibility kill games.
No to the WoW spirit. No to the new names. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
964
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:29:00 -
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Alistair Cononach wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Dumbing EVE down for the new peeps is CCPs FOTM.
There is nothing "smart" about an artificial and needlessly complicated barrier-of-entry to new players. Just because we suffered through and past it, does not make keeping it the right design choice for all eternity. For example, see the now-defunct Learning Skills. For Veterans, such as myself, I'll never understand the hatred toward positive changes designed to streamline and ease new player entry. Without new players subbing and playing, we Vets will have fewer and fewer people to kill. If getting a few hundred new targets to pew pew means streamlining the naming convention of modules to somethign logical and straitforward, so be it. It's worth more to the games long-term health to retain new players than it is to appease bittervets over mod. names. They could do much better things like adding the compare tool to neocom and making meta levels visible in markets group view... but no.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5095
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:30:00 -
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Nah.
It's a nice improvement that doesn't dumb down the game in any way. Variety can be maintained by having a few different schemes, if that's so near and dear to everyone's hearts, but the schemes themselves are an excellent idea. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
743
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:35:00 -
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Does anyone but gankers actually use T1 crap?
After a month in the game any normal PVPer is T2 fitted and PVEers are faction fitted. Seriously...meta whining...tempest in a teapot much?
How to make a mountain out of a molehill, you bored, whiny gits.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:38:00 -
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Don't like the new names, don't think the old names should return though. A change was needed, but the way it was implemented, IMO, was kind of a let down.
CCP, when you fix the more important stuff, please go back for a round 2 at naming things nicely, creatively and in a manner that makes sense?.. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5095
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:44:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Does anyone but gankers actually use T1 crap? Sure. The tier-3 BCs in particular are quite common recipients of meta fittings since they have a fairly tight CPU and grid budget after those large turrets are put in. Also, there are a few ships that have very tight fitting space without maxed skills (eg. the recons, logis) or just due to built-in bonuses (the Ishtar's low CPU to balance out the built-in drone link).
Likewise, any time you want to shield-tank a ship that's really intended for armour tanks, the CPU saved by going for meta 4 often comes in handy.
GǪand finally, of course, there are the modules where the meta versions are just plain old better than the T2 (RT plates, PWNAGEGǪ some would even argue the remote rep modules). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
226
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:48:00 -
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This election year I'm voting for Change
I just wish CCP had a better grasp of reality or the English language because so far the name changes have been at best a complete waste of time and at worst more confusing then the old names. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
415
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:50:00 -
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Sorry OP. CCP is on the money on this one. |
Real Poison
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
89
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:57:00 -
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2003 player here, do i count as veteran?
i think my brain is still able to adapt to change.
so i fully support CCP on this :P
pls everybody imagine a -1 on OP |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
965
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:09:00 -
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People who really think that naming change helps noobs more than it hurts vets is a tool. No offence.
It also dumps down the game a great deal.
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Real Poison
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
89
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:19:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:People who really think that naming change helps noobs more than it hurts vets is a tool. No offence.
It also dumps down the game a great deal.
Dude, stop living in the past.
Insulting ppl and then saying no offence is still an insult.
Go back and work on your weird Greasemonkey scripts so eve|gate will again look like the ActiveServerPages version from 10 years ago.
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Sprite Can
85
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:20:00 -
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This is why the forums need a dislike button. Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1933
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:22:00 -
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I have no problems with the goal of these changes. My only gripe is with the implementation, which misses the opportunity to improve the names as well as make them more functional. It's still more good than bad and I can live with the bad. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5095
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:23:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:People who really think that naming change helps noobs more than it hurts vets is a tool. No offence. And you're an idiot. No offence. Consistency is more helpful than complete arbitrariness.
Quote:It also dumps down the game a great deal. Not really, no. It makes absolutely no difference for the cleverness needed to play the game GÇö it just removes pointless obscurity.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Dawnmist
7
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:27:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:...renaming the items do not only affect those who play the game, but also those who have done or use external 3rd party programs or spreadsheets...
^^ this
Grey Stormshadow wrote:...about new player, names are not the problem. Lack of simple methods to display the items meta level (unless in hangar) is way worse stepping stone to newbs...
^^ this
Grey Stormshadow wrote: Compare tool really needs to have easier way to access. It wouldn't harm to enable the meta level column in hangar by default...
^^and this
Grey Stormshadow wrote: ...sign up...
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
966
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:People who really think that naming change helps noobs more than it hurts vets is a tool. No offence. And you're an idiot. No offence. Yep I am aware of that and proud to be one.
I would also unsub but did that already during the neocom nerf.
I remember being idiot when I left from WoW long time ago too. This is kind of a dejavu moment.
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
966
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:50:00 -
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Real Poison wrote:[quote=Grey Stormshadow] Go back and work on your weird Greasemonkey scripts so eve|gate will again look like the ActiveServerPages version from 10 years ago.
No one forces you to use them unlike the new names which force me to spend weeks fixing my external software if I decide to continue supporting CCP and their lack of interest to forward their attention to somewhere which doesn't actually make me rage quit.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5095
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:52:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:No one forces you to use them unlike the new names which force me to spend weeks fixing my external software if I decide to continue supporting CCP and their lack of interest to forward their attention to somewhere which doesn't actually make me rage quit. Look at the bright side: now you can take the opportunity to fix it properly by using the fixed identifiers rather than some arbitrary and changeable name.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
743
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:54:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Real Poison wrote:[quote=Grey Stormshadow] Go back and work on your weird Greasemonkey scripts so eve|gate will again look like the ActiveServerPages version from 10 years ago.
No one forces you to use them unlike the new names which force me to spend weeks fixing my external software if I decide to continue supporting CCP and their lack of interest to forward their attention to somewhere which doesn't actually make me rage quit.
Oh I see.
Your third party software is not running right. You have been inconvenienced and are upset.
It all make sense now.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
248
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:00:00 -
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You comment on the change that caters to the slow and the slow will rejoice and try to make fun of you for noticing the fact. Such is life. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:01:00 -
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Sprite Can wrote:This is why the forums need a dislike button. It needs an idiot button...
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
968
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:07:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Real Poison wrote:[quote=Grey Stormshadow] Go back and work on your weird Greasemonkey scripts so eve|gate will again look like the ActiveServerPages version from 10 years ago.
No one forces you to use them unlike the new names which force me to spend weeks fixing my external software if I decide to continue supporting CCP and their lack of interest to forward their attention to somewhere which doesn't actually make me rage quit. Oh I see. Your third party software is not running right. You have been inconvenienced and are upset. It all make sense now. Mr Epeen)] It is not about that they are not running. They just become really annoying to use. I rage mainly because CCP is changing names without even thinking about the pros and cons and specially without even thinking other more efficient solutions to help noobs. I also feel that scourge missile is part of the game and someone who takes that away should be shot (in game).
What comes to my "external software" I have done reprocessing chart for every single meta item in the game. I also have kept Java Material Level Calculator rather well updated after the development by original author stopped. Then I have few multi purpose excel sheets for plenty of stuff, which need to be updated also.
Now this is just me... Don't forget all the kill boards, information web sites, wikis, fitting tools, fitting sites...
Everything needs to be updated. And for what?
This is just bs.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3329
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:17:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62254&find=unread
I already argued this once. Added a post on page 7 thats more along the lines of a comprimise with what ccp wants to do and what you falvor lore folks want to keep.
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
971
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:44:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62254&find=unread
I already argued this once. Added a post on page 7 thats more along the lines of a comprimise with what ccp wants to do and what you falvor lore folks want to keep. You're not the only one
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