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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Elliot Reid on 05/05/2008 13:34:40 Do people feel there is any place on the CSM for anyone who expresses racist views and language?
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Elliot Reid on 05/05/2008 13:34:40 Do people feel there is any place on the CSM for anyone who expresses racist views and language?
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Nofonno
Amarr Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nofonno on 05/05/2008 13:35:52 Please specify your context. What racism are you talking about?
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Nofonno
Amarr Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nofonno on 05/05/2008 13:35:52 Please specify your context. What racism are you talking about?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:46:00 -
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Promoting racist viewpoints or using strong racial slurs are bannable offenses as per the EULA. People who get banned can not be CSM members. Case closed.
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:57:00 -
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Of course my question is hypothetical but I did forget to say out of game.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.05 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Elliot Reid Of course my question is hypothetical but I did forget to say out of game.
"do i get your vote if i am pro racism, or rather the opposite?
Please elaborate before i put in further comments :-)"
seriously, what answer would you epxect from a CSM candidate who is aware of the fact thet his voters come from all countries in the world?
despite that - i could imagine that a racist that gets somehow voted into CSM would feel thors hammer in some icelandic backyard soon enough.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:00:00 -
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racism in the context of the 'races' of eve I have no issue with. Outside of that, if someone is so racist that they cannot work with people on a council they shouldn't be there. ----------------------
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:01:00 -
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Totally not acceptable. Against the EULA too, I believe.
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Noghri ViR
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:06:00 -
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I'll chime in with the "Against the EULA too" argument. But can you really know if someone serving on the CSM is racist or not? Just because they say something in a game about internet spaceships does that mean they mean it in the real world? Are they just trolling or griefing people or not? You can't really tell unless you know the person in real life and that's just not going to happen in this game.
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:07:00 -
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Someone who would openly preach his racism would be petitioned for EULA violation soon enough. However, everyone has their own views, and as long as they keep them to themselves, I see no reason why this would impact their ability to perform as CSM.
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Max Torps
Gallente eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie racism in the context of the 'races' of eve I have no issue with. Outside of that, if someone is so racist that they cannot work with people on a council they shouldn't be there.
I agree with Mr Zombie. Thanks.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Elliot Reid Edited by: Elliot Reid on 05/05/2008 13:34:40 Do people feel there is any place on the CSM for anyone who expresses racist views and language?
Aren't RP-ers, role-playing racism ?
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Corduroy Rab
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Noghri ViR I'll chime in with the "Against the EULA too" argument. But can you really know if someone serving on the CSM is racist or not? Just because they say something in a game about internet spaceships does that mean they mean it in the real world? Are they just trolling or griefing people or not? You can't really tell unless you know the person in real life and that's just not going to happen in this game.
Obviously you cannot know what lurks in the mind and soul of a person or what their true beliefs are. That being said it doesn't matter, people are judged on their words and actions, even if they are behind the anonymity of internet space ships.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
Originally by: Elliot Reid Edited by: Elliot Reid on 05/05/2008 13:34:40 Do people feel there is any place on the CSM for anyone who expresses racist views and language?
Aren't RP-ers, role-playing racism ?
sometimes yes. sometimes not.
as a matari freedom fighter i fight slavery not the amarr. This is often misunderstood or simplified into a matar vs amarr some people play it that way. some dont, like myself.
if i go and fight the chinese in rl - then i am a soldier - not a racist i would turn into a racist if i indicate asians are lesser than my own race and therefore they must be eradicated
so ingame i can hate the entire amarr population w/o beeing a racist. (acknowledging that races exist is not racism) - now if you add DISCRIMINATION to the soup you get close to beeing a racist.
off topic , as others said, EULA covered. lets focus on something that is game related.
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Arduron
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Arduron on 05/05/2008 16:33:32 I will chime in also with the "Against EULA" comments. If a CSM member (or any player) has made racist comments ingame, they are to be banned by CCP. And any player with such a ban on their record SHOULD NOT be on CSM.
On a second note though, the OP pointed out "out of game" which doesn't directly violate the EULA. However I still agree anyone who I personally see/hear making such comments, I would say should be removed from CSM. Any players I notice doing so out of game, would be reported to CCP for harassment (which is still bannable if evidence is provided I believe).
However the big problem comes in on "How do you know" as I say above, out of game, I would need to witness it (or have a VERY reliable source + evidence). Because that is a pretty major charge. And I'm sure the CSM won't be without it's share of controversy and scandal... So I basically stand by innocent until proven guilty.
(but I want to be 100% clear that I am 100% against racism, and that anyone else who is "pro-racism" is deplorable as a human being. And this is one of the VERY few points that I am not open to discussion on. I agree everyone has their right to an opinion, but NOT on this issue.)
Sorry if that issue was a bit harsh, but I feel VERY strongly on that issue.
edit: in light of the last post I also wanted to clarify RP racism is different, as it is playing out the storyline as intended. But as said even RP it doesn't need to be racism, you aren't against the race, you are against their actions in the case of the various factional wars/agressions). I am still against RP racism, but I don't feel that it is a bannable offense at all, or that it should exclude anyone from CSM.
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Cribb
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:38:00 -
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Racism is a no go, but as others stated it is hard to tell if someone is a racist. And then again what if he or she is. As a person they would be very sad if they brought it into the CSM. If you mean gamewise i think it's allowed, if not well Hardin would have a rel hard time getting in :)
off topic , as others said, EULA covered. lets focus on something that is game related. Yes and where can i vote ------- When in doubt, play loud
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.05 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Elliot Reid Do people feel there is any place on the CSM for anyone who expresses racist views and language?
On the assumption you mean OOC (real life) racism and not IC (in character roleplayed space empire nationalist racism) then I'm going to have to say no. There is no place on the CSM council for a player who has expressed racist views and language.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.05 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Elliot Reid Do people feel there is any place on the CSM for anyone who expresses racist views and language?
On the assumption you mean OOC (real life) racism and not IC (in character roleplayed space empire nationalist racism) then I'm going to have to say no. There is no place on the CSM council for a player who has expressed racist views and language.
100% agree with the empty headed Gallente wench on this one
Seriously, no need for OOC racism on the Council!
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Posted - 2008.05.05 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Elliot Reid Do people feel there is any place on the CSM for anyone who expresses racist views and language?
On the assumption you mean OOC (real life) racism and not IC (in character roleplayed space empire nationalist racism) then I'm going to have to say no. There is no place on the CSM council for a player who has expressed racist views and language.
I simply have to quote what has to be one of the shortest and (thus? ) clearest replies from Jade ever
But moreso because I agree 100%
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