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4-HO-MET
Celestial Free-Riders Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:53:00 -
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with the power of 2 im thinking of making another acc skilling toward capitals since the very beginning, with attributes changed.
that should take about 90-100 days
what is the coolest, most awesome and badass dreadnought ship ? tbh im not thinking about caldaring, im excluding it because of phoenix,
so its either revelation, naglfar or moros.
what are the advantages and disadvantages of all of those dreadnoughts ? their weapon types ? damage dealt ? speed etc.
i want to pvp with it |
4-HO-MET
Celestial Free-Riders Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:11:00 -
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ive read so far naglfar is best with 2 types of weapons for solo pvp artilery with missiles when they cant track. plus fast |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:30:00 -
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Trying to solo-PvP in a dread is saying "Hey everyone, here's a free KM, please kill me". If you don't know this already, then you shouldn't even be considering training for a cap. There's a lot to know about cap ships before you even think about getting in one.
As to which one though, the Rev has lasers (so no reloading ammo ever) which makes it great and the Moros has the highest DPS of the dreads, which is another good thing. The Nag, however, has split weapons systems, which isn't good; and the Phoenix is a shield tank, which also doesn't do well in the largely-armor fleets that you see for cap ships.
Seriously though, if you don't know better than to think you can solo-PvP in a dread, you should just give the plan up and go learn more about cap ships in general. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:45:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Trying to solo-PvP in a dread is saying "Hey everyone, here's a free KM, please kill me". If you don't know this already, then you shouldn't even be considering training for a cap. There's a lot to know about cap ships before you even think about getting in one.
As to which one though, the Rev has lasers (so no reloading ammo ever) which makes it great and the Moros has the highest DPS of the dreads, which is another good thing. The Nag, however, has split weapons systems, which isn't good; and the Phoenix is a shield tank, which also doesn't do well in the largely-armor fleets that you see for cap ships.
Seriously though, if you don't know better than to think you can solo-PvP in a dread, you should just give the plan up and go learn more about cap ships in general.
+1 |
4-HO-MET
Celestial Free-Riders Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:48:00 -
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ok then not solo pvp but small, maybe large pvp |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.03.03 21:06:00 -
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4-HO-MET wrote:ok then not solo pvp but large pvp
Fixed that for you. And in that case, then look at the rest of my post. Revelation for simplicity or Moros for raw DPS. |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.03.03 21:07:00 -
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the guy isn't asking about effectiveness. he's asking about what eve should be about.
Quote:what is the coolest, most awesome and badass dreadnought ship ?
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gfldex
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Posted - 2012.03.03 21:35:00 -
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Dammit! I think my troll detector just broke. It's beeping like mad. The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
4-HO-MET
Celestial Free-Riders Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.03 21:57:00 -
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gius im srs why shouldnt i do that. this game is boring whitout epeen ships. i want capital dread at least. should be then fun enough to pay for cuz srsly it gets me rly bored. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Side Effect.
132
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:39:00 -
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4-HO-MET wrote:gius im srs why shouldnt i do that. this game is boring whitout epeen ships. i want capital dread at least. should be then fun enough to pay for cuz srsly it gets me rly bored.
When you fly one, please let us know and let us know which character you use. I bet you will end up with a lot of persons on your ass just to kill the ship.
From what I read you just want a dreadnought just because it's a large ship. Not because you know how to use them and why you should have one. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
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mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:08:00 -
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4-HO-MET wrote:gius im srs why shouldnt i do that. this game is boring whitout epeen ships. i want capital dread at least. should be then fun enough to pay for cuz srsly it gets me rly bored.
Ok, nevermind my previous advice then. Go for it and have fun in your dread. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
926
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:10:00 -
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cause epeen ships paint a target on your head
having an epeen ship doesnt help much when it stays docked all the time or dies in less then a week of you getting it
and what are you using it for? PVP? against other ships? you do know that un-sieged a dread does barely as much DPS as a battleship and sieged it has such bad tracking that it cant hit anything that's moving more then 5m/s
The only thing dreads are good for these days are for VERY long range engagements where you have someone in a huginn to paint and web them now slow enough fro you to hit them or to take down POSes
Also note that you need a cyno to move anywhere cause capitals cannot use jump gates.
If you want an epeen ship get a faction battleship, capitals are useless on their own in most cases. The Drake is a Lie |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Side Effect.
133
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:16:00 -
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Lol, looked at OP history, he is 3 months old. Bet he can't even properly use a BC. Let alone a capital.
Smells like a bad WoW player trying to foil the EVE player database.
*waves hand* This is not the MMO you're looking for Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
926
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:31:00 -
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If EVE is boring you're doing it wrong
Non-condescending version: If you find that what you're doing in EVE is boring then that isn't the thing for you, try something else. It's kinda the point of the sandbox. Try exploration or something, maybe get into a wormhole corp. The Drake is a Lie |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Side Effect.
133
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:41:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:If EVE is boring you're doing it wrong
Non-condescending version: If you find that what you're doing in EVE is boring then that isn't the thing for you, try something else. It's kinda the point of the sandbox. Try exploration or something, maybe get into a wormhole corp.
This + if you think that being a dreadnought pilot means you won't be bored, good luck. Like posted before, dreads are only good at shooting big and slow things (aka other capitals and structures) both are boring to shoot at (structures) or rather hard to do in smaller groups as you will end up with large fleet on your head. (other capitals) Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
4-HO-MET
Celestial Free-Riders Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:48:00 -
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i am a WoW player, but why bad :< |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Side Effect.
133
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:59:00 -
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4-HO-MET wrote:i am a WoW player, but why bad :<
That's not bad.
The only bad thing is that most WoW players play EVE Online the way they play WoW.
This will only end in 1 way: really bad.
EVE is in all ways different from any other MMO on the market, and should be played in a way no other MMO is played.
First thing about EVE that is different, there is no end-game-I-win ship. Most people comming from other MMO's think that bigger is better and that (taking your post in account) Dreadnoughts are the best ship to fly around.
This is not true in many many ways, 1 main thing is that every ship has it's roles in which it is best used. And also each ship has his disadvantages and weaknesses. So bigger isn't better, dreadnoughts can be killed by frigates, while the really really have a hard time to hit frigates.
And people in general comming from any other MMO, usually WoW as it's the biggest, comming to the forum with post like you will let loose the trolling parts in most EVE players. As all they read are: I'm new to EVE and think it acts like any other MMO I've ever played where the biggest most expensive ship wins. How do I quickly get into that ship and rule the universe. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Grikath
T.E.L.O.G.S.
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Posted - 2012.03.04 00:20:00 -
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^^^^ this^^^^
There is a BIG difference between being able to undock a ship, and flying it proficiently and effectively.
Dreads are role-specific, and like all things in EVE, the more specific they are, the more they suck at all other things.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
523
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Posted - 2012.03.04 01:48:00 -
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mxzf wrote:As to which one though, the Rev has lasers (so no reloading ammo ever) which makes it great and the Moros has the highest DPS of the dreads, which is another good thing. The Nag, however, has split weapons systems, which isn't good; and the Phoenix is a shield tank, which also doesn't do well in the largely-armor fleets that you see for cap ships. The Phoenix is a great structure & POS basher, but is useless at anything else because citadel missiles can't really hit anything sub-capital or even slightly moving.
Shield tank doesn't really matter in a dread, because it will be sieged and unable to be repped, and if it is attacked it will die. Dreads don't really tank. If it isn't sieged, then a battleship does more damage.
The Moros does the most damage, and the Archon lives the longest. The Nagflar has a spit weapon system.
I'd rate: Archon > Moros > Nagflar >> Phoenix |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
865
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:38:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:mxzf wrote:As to which one though, the Rev has lasers (so no reloading ammo ever) which makes it great and the Moros has the highest DPS of the dreads, which is another good thing. The Nag, however, has split weapons systems, which isn't good; and the Phoenix is a shield tank, which also doesn't do well in the largely-armor fleets that you see for cap ships. The Phoenix is a great structure & POS basher, but is useless at anything else because citadel missiles can't really hit anything sub-capital or even slightly moving. Shield tank doesn't really matter in a dread, because it will be sieged and unable to be repped, and if it is attacked it will die. Dreads don't really tank. If it isn't sieged, then a battleship does more damage. The Moros does the most damage, and the Archon lives the longest. The Nagflar has a spit weapon system. I'd rate: Archon > Moros > Nagflar >> Phoenix
Hmm, I'm not really sure you can compare a carrier (Archon) to the rest of the dreads
Other than that though, I agree with you, good points. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
524
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:32:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Hmm, I'm not really sure you can compare a carrier (Archon) to the rest of the dreads Doh! Revelation of course. Fixed. |
Iggep
Crestlighter Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.03.04 13:51:00 -
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4-HO-MET wrote:ok then not solo pvp but small, maybe large pvp
You have shiny syndrome. Honestly, re-read that guidance you've already been told because it doesn't appear you understood it.
http://www.iggepsrealm.com - the ramblings of a spaceship driving techophile |
Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
151
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Posted - 2012.03.04 15:10:00 -
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4-HO-MET wrote:ok then not solo pvp but small, maybe large pvp You seem to misunderstand the purpose of Dreadnaughts.
Dreadnaughts are bred and intended to destroy LARGE things such as other capitals, POS's, and outposts. They are not intended nor recommended for solo or small gang PvP. Dreadnaughts need support from other players to get about the galaxy. They need support from other players to scout ahead and behind for ambushes. They generally need support from other players to do anything really.
A dreadnaught by itself is a juicy and easy target. When they go into siege mode, they're even more vulnerable. To use one effectively you will need player backup. Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
75
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Posted - 2012.03.04 15:53:00 -
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a dread has only two purposes of which one shooting structures and other is shooting other capitals which rarely happens these days. A moros used to be pretty good/lulz for ratting but CCP removed the drones so now it's useful for structure bashing and shooting caps. Also before you think of caps you should consider what yours is going to be equipped with. Please don't be a one who has fitting mods and large shield boosters in their phoenixes with t1 light drones because they don't have skills for anything better and die when they finally realise they can use gates to move around. |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
102
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Posted - 2012.03.05 12:33:00 -
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I too want glorified structure shooting ship which needs subcapital ship support to survive. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.03.05 22:12:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:mxzf wrote:As to which one though, the Rev has lasers (so no reloading ammo ever) which makes it great and the Moros has the highest DPS of the dreads, which is another good thing. The Nag, however, has split weapons systems, which isn't good; and the Phoenix is a shield tank, which also doesn't do well in the largely-armor fleets that you see for cap ships. The Phoenix is a great structure & POS basher, or other sieged dreads, but is useless at anything else because citadel missiles can't really hit anything sub-capital or even slightly moving super-cap. Shield tank doesn't really matter in a dread, because it will be sieged and unable to be repped, and if it is attacked it will die. Dreads don't really tank. If it isn't sieged, then a battleship does more damage. The Moros does the most damage, and the Revelation lives the longest. The Nagflar has a spit weapon system. I'd rate: Revelation > Moros > Nagflar >> Phoenix I like rating them by height.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
527
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:56:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I'd rate: Revelation > Moros > Nagflar >> Phoenix I like rating them by height. Naglfar >> Revelation > Moros >> Phoenix Well we could rate them by lamest siege animation too, and the Phoenix would definitely win.
Most people don't even realize it has a siege animation. |
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
20
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:47:00 -
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Dreadnoughts are really designed to be used in large groups with other caps for killing structures caps etc.
With this info you need to know one thing regarding your question.
REVELATION!
That is all. |
Tidurious
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
165
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:34:00 -
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mxzf wrote:4-HO-MET wrote:gius im srs why shouldnt i do that. this game is boring whitout epeen ships. i want capital dread at least. should be then fun enough to pay for cuz srsly it gets me rly bored. Ok, nevermind my previous advice then. Go for it and have fun being dead.
Fixed that for you |
Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.03.10 21:29:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I'd rate: Revelation > Moros > Nagflar >> Phoenix I like rating them by height. Naglfar >> Revelation > Moros >> Phoenix Well we could rate them by lamest siege animation too, and the Phoenix would definitely win. Most people don't even realize it has a siege animation.
I didnt know any of them had a siege animation. Is there a video? Been around siegeing dreads but never looked at them. |
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