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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2823
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Posted - 2012.03.17 19:17:00 -
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t1 mods, now there's a big source of mineral demand!
sorry gotta install another titan brb |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2823
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Posted - 2012.03.17 19:18:00 -
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then off to buy 2000 tornados |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
191
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Posted - 2012.03.17 19:37:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:then off to buy 2000 tornados
Sounds like I need to reproc that medium smart bomb I've been hanging on to so we don't run out of zydrine!
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
177
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Posted - 2012.03.18 03:49:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Skydell wrote:Tasko Pal wrote:Skydell wrote:
Things that use Zydrine require very little of it. many things don't require any Zydrine at all (T2 Heavy Missle Launchers)
And that point is irrelevant since you didn't consider supply too. Supply of zydrine is much lower and harder than supply of trit. That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc. Even if they do remove drone poo, they nerfed NOS years ago and smartbombs were never any good. Drop loots on off meta emissions transfer loot, NOS type mods and smartbombs alone will carry Zydrine demand. People might have stopped looting it because of Drone poo markets but once drone poo is gone, people will start running loot reproc sales again. We have never been in a shortage of Zydrine in EVE. look at this idiot who thinks mods take up any appreciable amount of minerals
Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much. |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:40:00 -
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To the Exhumers! Everyone! |
Broken Thoughts
ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:52:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:To the Exhumers! Everyone!
Man the Noctis! Everyone! |
El 1974
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
55
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Posted - 2012.03.18 10:42:00 -
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Skydell wrote:[...] I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much. Add to that a few thousand hisec mission runners who currently blitz their missions rather than loot them. |
Mookie Quantico
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:37:00 -
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El 1974 wrote: Add to that a few thousand hisec mission runners who currently blitz their missions rather than loot them.
... which wont' change in the least.. since mission loot got it's very own nerf well over a year ago (read: no stockpiles left from that source)... so not like taking the time to loot missions will suddenly improve mission profits versus straight blitzing.
Get used to it kiddies... Zydrine... and Nox (again, major source is drone alloys)... are about to rise steadily for a good, long run.
Mook |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
192
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:24:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.
It's worth noting that Jita alone chews through more than that much every few days even if every casual ratter/missioner works as hard as you do and is as numerous as you claim (and aren't doing incursions instead). And a lot of null sec zydrine gets turned directly into supercaps and such, as the moon goo princess indicated. Keep in mind that the drone regions have considerably more industrialization than the rest of null sec.
Back in early 2009, CCP Chronotis (see comment #46 page 2) gave zydrine production at 43% mining, 18% loot, and 40% drone. Since then, loot and drone poo have both been changed (loot and drone drops of zydrine have been reduced and the extremely productive noctis introduced).
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989786&page=2#46
(Sorry about the raw link, normal linking didn't work.)
To be blunt, I think things haven't changed that much. If zydrine gets eliminated altogether from drone drops, then there will be a considerable reduction in the supply of zydrine no matter what you and other "casual" ratters/missioners do to increase your zydrine production (short of actually mining the stuff that is, heh).
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El 1974
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
55
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:36:00 -
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Mookie Quantico wrote:El 1974 wrote: Add to that a few thousand hisec mission runners who currently blitz their missions rather than loot them.
... which wont' change in the least.. since mission loot got it's very own nerf well over a year ago (read: no stockpiles left from that source)... so not like taking the time to loot missions will suddenly improve mission profits versus straight blitzing. Get used to it kiddies... Zydrine... and Nox (again, major source is drone alloys)... are about to rise steadily for a good, long run. Mook After the mission nerf I stopped looting for a while. Thanks to inflation I started again. I just hope you are right, as I rather do missions than incursions. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2833
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:48:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.
ahahahahahahaha look at the pathetic "i ratted in null!" guy |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2833
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:01:00 -
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as the lowliest cog in the machine let me give you a high-level analysis |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
178
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Posted - 2012.03.19 06:56:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Skydell wrote:
Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.
ahahahahahahaha look at the pathetic "i ratted in null!" guy
It never really applied until l now but
You mad?
The best part of reproc assisted mining for T1 minerals is, you can't really bot the process. CCP might want to think about reversing the level 4 mission loot nerf though.
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Garibaldi Sinatra
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 08:53:00 -
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Will we see Zydrine Sell at less than 800 in the next 3 weeks ? |
kla samon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:15:00 -
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Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:Will we see Zydrine Sell at less than 800 in the next 3 weeks ?
I sincerely hope so. Lets crash the price of morphite too. My pool sits half empty and I need to fill it up Scrooge McDuck style. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
195
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:51:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Weaselior wrote: ahahahahahahaha look at the pathetic "i ratted in null!" guy
It never really applied until l now but You mad?
Still doesn't apply. When the Goons makes more sense than you do, then you have a problem.
Quote:The best part of reproc assisted mining for T1 minerals is, you can't really bot the process. CCP might want to think about reversing the level 4 mission loot nerf though.
And that's the problem here. The loot nerf hasn't been reversed. Hence, mission loot and all that other stuff isn't the flood of zydrine that you think it is.
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Mookie Quantico
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:36:00 -
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Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:Will we see Zydrine Sell at less than 800 in the next 3 weeks ?
Quite possibly... alot of people will dump stock (please do !) and effectively burn themselves for not being patient.
As others have said, vast fortunes in EVE are rarely made "overnight".
This is a game for the patient... and vast fortunes favour the patient.
Mook
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Mookie Quantico
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:45:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote: And that's the problem here. The loot nerf hasn't been reversed. Hence, mission loot and all that other stuff isn't the flood of zydrine that you think it is.
^^ This.
If anything, don't be too surprised to see the loot drops (in missions) gradually reduced a few more "notches"... and that won't just affect Zydrine, either.
Indeed, mission loot should only be a source of two (2) things: Named T1 mods and salvage for the "rigs" industry -- but not a minerals "industry" unto itself.
Afterall -- CCP wants to encourage mining, so squeezing off the non-asteroid sources of minerals is not only necessary but logical.
So, go home tonight and make love to your darling Zydrine... fondle it... cherish it... make it ... your PRECIOUS.
Mook
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2842
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:45:00 -
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Skydell wrote: The best part of reproc assisted mining for T1 minerals is, you can't really bot the process. CCP might want to think about reversing the level 4 mission loot nerf though.
you idiot
of course you can bot reprocessing t1 minerals |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2842
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:46:00 -
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and most l4 mission bots do loot |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
763
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:53:00 -
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Mookie Quantico wrote: Indeed, mission loot should only be a source of two (2) things: Named T1 mods and salvage for the "rigs" industry -- but not a minerals "industry" unto itself.
The problem is not that drone loot is a source of minerals, the problem is that it is too big a percentage as a source of minerals, which has depressed mineral values too much and marginalized mining as a career choice. (The same applies to module drops from regular rats.) Supplemental sources of materials serve as a useful checks-and-balances, as long as they don't drown out the primary source.
What CCP could also do is change reprocessing to rely more heavily on the Scrapmetal Processing skill rather then making it so easy to get 99.5% of your minerals back with just Refine V and Refine Eff V. Maybe the reprocessing skill needs to be nerfed slightly so that you you need Refine V + Refine Eff V + Scrapmetal Processing IV in order to get 100% at a 50% refinery. Which would probably push down the amount you get back by 5-10% across the board. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2852
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:41:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Mookie Quantico wrote: Indeed, mission loot should only be a source of two (2) things: Named T1 mods and salvage for the "rigs" industry -- but not a minerals "industry" unto itself.
The problem is not that drone loot is a source of minerals, the problem is that it is too big a percentage as a source of minerals, which has depressed mineral values too much and marginalized mining as a career choice. (The same applies to module drops from regular rats.) Supplemental sources of materials serve as a useful checks-and-balances, as long as they don't drown out the primary source. What CCP could also do is change reprocessing to rely more heavily on the Scrapmetal Processing skill rather then making it so easy to get 99.5% of your minerals back with just Refine V and Refine Eff V. Maybe the reprocessing skill needs to be nerfed slightly so that you you need Refine V + Refine Eff V + Scrapmetal Processing IV in order to get 100% at a 50% refinery. Which would probably push down the amount you get back by 5-10% across the board. This would be a severe nerf to nullsec which must do with 35% and 40% refineries generally. A better nerf would be changing highsec refineries to 40%. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
66
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:02:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:Mookie Quantico wrote: Indeed, mission loot should only be a source of two (2) things: Named T1 mods and salvage for the "rigs" industry -- but not a minerals "industry" unto itself.
The problem is not that drone loot is a source of minerals, the problem is that it is too big a percentage as a source of minerals, which has depressed mineral values too much and marginalized mining as a career choice. (The same applies to module drops from regular rats.) Supplemental sources of materials serve as a useful checks-and-balances, as long as they don't drown out the primary source. What CCP could also do is change reprocessing to rely more heavily on the Scrapmetal Processing skill rather then making it so easy to get 99.5% of your minerals back with just Refine V and Refine Eff V. Maybe the reprocessing skill needs to be nerfed slightly so that you you need Refine V + Refine Eff V + Scrapmetal Processing IV in order to get 100% at a 50% refinery. Which would probably push down the amount you get back by 5-10% across the board. This would be a severe nerf to nullsec which must do with 35% and 40% refineries generally. A better nerf would be changing highsec refineries to 40%. changing refineries to 40% would hit the miners as hard as the mission runners. although max skilled miners that have mineral skills at 4 should still have no problem getting 100% refine at a 40% station.Hell with max refining and mineral skills you can get very close to 100% at a 35% refinery. changing the base refine at high sec stations would certainly increase the value of all minerals. I would say 45% rather than 40% as the minimum is 35% but it could work. The real issue though is increased mineral costs increase the cost of everything made from those minerals causing significant inflation in the game economy. However as the bounties would be unaffected it would serve to level the field somewhat making mining a more appealing profession. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
772
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:52:00 -
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CCP says in the keynote "we will iterate drone regions on Apr 28 2012". |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
784
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:56:00 -
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Detailed link to the keynote slide from Saturday.
JON LANDER portion of the keynote (starts at around 1:33:00, slide is at 1:40:00 or so) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5kOgYJ9s0
A pre-cursor patch to Inferno -Incursion iterations -Rogue Drone Iteration -Ship Balancing
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hermot
The Back Yard Twilight Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:46:00 -
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People are already putting stacks back onto the market now. Oh the impatience :p |
Vossejongk
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:22:00 -
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Zydrine went up from 950 3 days to 1200 now in Rens..(buy, sell atm at 1800-1900ish) |
Deamos
Dev Null Development and Holdings
111
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
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hermot wrote:People are already putting stacks back onto the market now. Oh the impatience :p
It'll go back up. I did a little playing around with that market about an hour and half ago. Raised the prices by about 200 isk/ea and then cashed out. Made a healthy little chunk of ISK for so little time. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
94
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:49:00 -
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Im out of zydrine, up 8.2B in less then 2 weeks...
and I could have made 15+ |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:54:00 -
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Zydrine should easily clear 2,500 ISK and should peak around 4,000 - 5,000 ISK
The peak price will depend on how much Zydrine is held by speculators.
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