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Haraldhardrade
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora McCain is NOT Bush so STOP trying to say he is!
Yet he voted for most of Bush's stupidity.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Haraldhardrade
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Personally, I love how the Dems and the American Mainstream Media (who's members overwhelmingly vote ultra leftist and Democrat) are running SCARED of Sarah Palin. She's every Leftists worst nightmare. A CONSERVATIVE WOMAN! THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE! ROFL!
shes a hypocrit, like most moralist conservatives. Shes against condoms and her daughter is pregnant. All these christian far right moralists are hypocrits. The more conservative they are, the more dishonest they are. Just like that anti-gay guy that was caught on his knees pleasuring another man.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:08:00 -
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The candidates are fairly similar, so it really doesn't matter which gets elected into office. They're both not there on the big issues are foreign policy, and the economy.
Both are pro-war no matter what you may think.
Obama wants a slow withdrawal from Iraq and begin the process of turning operations over to the Iraqi forces. He instead wants to Surge in Afghanistan, and potentially attack targets in the Pakistani border with or without permission from the Pakistani Government.
John McCain is open to staying in Iraq as long as needed but it appears that a time table will infact be set since the Iraqi Government is calling for one. John McCain will re-state that the surge has worked, and a time table can be setup in a responsible manner. I'm sure McCain will surge in Afganistan after an Iraq Withdrawal, just to stay in the region.
So both policies are a continuation of intervention in Middle East Affairs.
The Economy, neither of their programs are good imo. I'm not for higher taxes on the rich, nor am I for more tax cuts for the rich. Instead I'd like to see the notion of spending addressed as well as fundamental tax reform. Neither Candidates calls for some oversight over the federal reserve, and investigation of how the Fed contributes to bubbles in the American Economy. So the candidates aren't trying to solve any of the core issues.
As far as Palin as a pick she has positives and negatives.
Positives:
- The announcement on the day after the DNC hindered the Obama Media Orgy.
- At least some executive Experience
- Brings some youth to the ticket
- Plays off the whole woman in office thing
- Known to be anti-corruption/reformer in her state, Spoke out against her own party
- Outspoken on Oil Drilling in Alaska
- Speaks well
- Helps McCain with his base, and potential women voters
- Took on Pork Barrel Projects
- Took on Oil Companies
Negatives:
- Several scandals off the bat
- Experience limited
- She might not hold up well under media scrutiny
- Might be too far right on social issues for the Moderate Vote
- She's a former runner up to Miss Alaska, may rub voters the wrong way, and not be taken seriously
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor The candidates are fairly similar, so it really doesn't matter which gets elected into office. They're both not there on the big issues are foreign policy, and the economy.
Both are pro-war no matter what you may think.
Obama wants a slow withdrawal from Iraq and begin the process of turning operations over to the Iraqi forces. He instead wants to Surge in Afghanistan, and potentially attack targets in the Pakistani border with or without permission from the Pakistani Government.
John McCain is open to staying in Iraq as long as needed but it appears that a time table will infact be set since the Iraqi Government is calling for one. John McCain will re-state that the surge has worked, and a time table can be setup in a responsible manner. I'm sure McCain will surge in Afganistan after an Iraq Withdrawal, just to stay in the region.
So both policies are a continuation of intervention in Middle East Affairs.
The Economy, neither of their programs are good imo. I'm not for higher taxes on the rich, nor am I for more tax cuts for the rich. Instead I'd like to see the notion of spending addressed as well as fundamental tax reform. Neither Candidates calls for some oversight over the federal reserve, and investigation of how the Fed contributes to bubbles in the American Economy. So the candidates aren't trying to solve any of the core issues.
As far as Palin as a pick she has positives and negatives.
Positives:
- The announcement on the day after the DNC hindered the Obama Media Orgy.
- At least some executive Experience
- Brings some youth to the ticket
- Plays off the whole woman in office thing
- Known to be anti-corruption/reformer in her state, Spoke out against her own party
- Outspoken on Oil Drilling in Alaska
- Speaks well
- Helps McCain with his base, and potential women voters
- Took on Pork Barrel Projects
- Took on Oil Companies
Negatives:
- Several scandals off the bat
- Experience limited
- She might not hold up well under media scrutiny
- Might be too far right on social issues for the Moderate Vote
- She's a former runner up to Miss Alaska, may rub voters the wrong way, and not be taken seriously
Such objectivity is not allowed.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Shadowsword If the USA are the first-rate country with the highest ratio of premature pregnancies, it's for a reason...
What reason? You know what causes premature births and what causes the risk factors?
I said premature pregnancies (as in, getting pregnant before at ages like 15, not premature births. ------------------------------------------
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor
At least some executive Experience
What experience? Shes from a town with 9000 people. No one had ever heard about her before. Lets face it, the only reason why McCain chose her and not his personal choice (Liebermann) is because shes a woman and christian conservative. The best candidate didnt win.
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Brings some youth to the ticket
True.
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Outspoken on Oil Drilling in Alaska
Is this positive, how?
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:31:00 -
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i am curious as to whta michael dietriech has to say on this subject --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored |
Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
What experience? Shes from a town with 9000 people. No one had ever heard about her before. Lets face it, the only reason why McCain chose her and not his personal choice (Liebermann) is because shes a woman and christian conservative. The best candidate didnt win.
She's been a governor for 2 years. One of Obama's Final choices was Tim Caine, and he had been a governor for 2 years as well. There's several women McCain could of chosen from, she's not the only woman in the Republican party you know. So there's obviously other factors.
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Is this positive, how?
It's John McCain's position as well. Alaska was brought into the US with an eye on it's oil. To not drill them is quite silly. Anwar is a frozen tundra there's no reason you shouldn't drill for oil up there. Even if you do want to "get off oil" you should still tap your local resources for export purposes. Any oil we can get locally will be better than just sending money to another country.
Also Alaskans want to drill for oil in their own state, it goes a long way towards less federal control and more states rights. IMO the Federal Government is sticking their head where it doesn't belong.
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JAQUE ALERA
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:37:00 -
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Politics. Everyone is given a vote, an opinion and the god(small g) given right to pretend they're right.
Figure out national politics is propaganda. Influence those that influence your daily life. Sheriff, mayor, city council, county commissioners. These people decide how you live.
Rialtor, good effort on real analysis.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato Less government is good government. So Obama represents everything I don't want. Thus I am voting against him, and I actually live in a swing state so my vote actually matters.
Are you one of the guys that call obama an elitist for drinking orange juice rather than coffee, while mccain decreases taxes for the 5% richest americans? If so, sad state of affairs --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored |
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Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:53:00 -
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This thread emphasises why the American right is the laughing stock of the world.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
Originally by: pwnedgato Less government is good government. So Obama represents everything I don't want. Thus I am voting against him, and I actually live in a swing state so my vote actually matters.
Are you one of the guys that call obama an elitist for drinking orange juice rather than coffee, while mccain decreases taxes for the 5% richest americans? If so, sad state of affairs
I drink OJ too! Also capital gains shouldn't apply only to the top 5%, but too many people are stupid and buy lotto tickets instead of investing.
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou This thread emphasises why the American government is the laughing stock of the world.
fixd But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor
Alaska was brought into the US with an eye on it's oil. To not drill them is quite silly. Anwar is a frozen tundra there's no reason you shouldn't drill for oil up there.
What you describe as frozen tundra I see as extremely vunerable ecosystem. In any case, drilling for oil is a short term solution to a long term problem.
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Even if you do want to "get off oil" you should still tap your local resources for export purposes. Any oil we can get locally will be better than just sending money to another country.
I agree here.
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IMO the Federal Government is sticking their head where it doesn't belong.
You mean like bailing out banks on the verge of bankrupcy? Thats pure socialism. It's been decades since the republican party has stood for real conservative values. Don't confuse christian conservative with conservative. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: pwnedgato on 03/09/2008 08:02:38
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
What you describe as frozen tundra I see as extremely vunerable ecosystem. In any case, drilling for oil is a short term solution to a long term problem.
What you see as vulnerable I see as next on nature's list of things that couldn't adapt.
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Haraldhardrade
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 03/09/2008 08:10:50
Originally by: pwnedgato
What you see as vulnerable I see as next on nature's list of things that couldn't adapt.
Too bad some humans are unable to adapt, nor understand the mechanics behind the very concept. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:12:00 -
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yeah! ruin the planet!
just because we got better at killing things around us by means that are completely unnatural doesnt make us 'superior'
spoilers: world isnt gonna end anytime soon, better make sure our great-great-grandchildren still have something to live on --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored |
JAQUE ALERA
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:13:00 -
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What you see as vulnerable I see as next on nature's list of things that couldn't adapt.
Do you use any critical thinking skills before you post?
Mark our current civilization as a "thing" that couldn't adapt.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:37:00 -
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Palin is sexy in that cougar sorta way lol wonder what she looks like in a skimpy bikini cuz it that gets a swhing he gets my vote fer prez
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:38:00 -
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imo either way U.S is screwed no matter who gets into office sure wish ron paul was in the race still he would get my vote full force
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:42:00 -
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Did they chance OOP rules to allow discussing politics now? -------------
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit Did they chance OOP rules to allow discussing politics now?
shh iceland is still asleep
Anyway, yes, it would be a lesser of two evils but for the long-term, a democrat vote would be by far the better one. It's quite funny how certain people view Obama as 'far left', while when you compare is proposed policies to european ones, he is somewhere in the middle or even slightly right-ish. --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored |
Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Calvin Firenze IBTL
First off, I don't want a man who signed a confession to get out of a POW camp. (McCain)
Second, I don't want a man who changes his mind more often than a woman on important political issues. (Obama)
Neither of them are worth my vote imo.
One of two sane quotes in this entire thread. Farjung is my God |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:06:00 -
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I say both couples are jokes.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
DesuSigs
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Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Spaztick
Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou This thread emphasises why the American government is the laughing stock of the world.
fixd
Second sane post in the thread.
Why is drilling more oil when it's running out a bad idea? Because the more you drill the faster it runs out, maybe that logic is wasted on most Americans (with this I imply US only not the the rest of the America's) because of their average ignorance. Why drill oil when you can use fuel cells instead? Hydrogen won't run out, water is unlimited as it will always fall back on the surface unless we do what has happened on Venus. Can anyone in this thread tell me why the US insist on wasting oil when we can switch over to hydrogen and the world no longer has to rely on foreign, dangerous regimes (which were installed and are supported by the US and the UK)?
Nobody will be able to give a reason why not. Technology? Already exists? Price? The more is made, the cheaper it becomes.
And then you all think that oil is the big bad fuel. Coal is the worst fossil fuel on the planet and 40% of the US electricity come from coal. Now the coal lobby has come up with a new slogan: clean coal. What is clean coal? Does this mean that all the mercury and carbon monoxide will be filtered before it's pumped into the atmosphere? Of course not, it's a lie.
Japan is the first country in the world that is building a Hydrogen fueled powerplant. This 10MW powerplant will mean that Japan will be able to reduce its oil imports. Exxon must have lobbied hard against this powerplant. The US car manufacturers are all on the verge of bankruptcy because of their stupid petrol guzzling cars while European and Asian manufacturers make profit. Well done to the US.
Keep wasting oil and prolonging suffering. Farjung is my God |
Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Liranan on 03/09/2008 10:17:54 Double post caused by lag. Farjung is my God |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Cloora Thats the only argument the Dems have against him is trying to convince us he is someone else.
Here's a very nice, simple argument: McCain and his VP are both creationists and favor teaching creationism in science class, a staggering level of delusion and detachment from reality. Someone who has such a clear disregard for facts and evidence is utterly unqualified for the job of deciding policy for one of the (arguably THE) most powerful and influential nations on earth. If he's willing to pick ideology over reality on this issue, why should we trust him to on any other issue?
That is your opinion. Please keep it that way. Were you there for the creation OR the moment when life evolved out of nothing?
If you cannot answer yes to either of the above questions please remember your opinions are fair, however stating your opinion as fact is not.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Calvin Firenze IBTL
First off, I don't want a man who signed a confession to get out of a POW camp. (McCain)
Second, I don't want a man who changes his mind more often than a woman on important political issues. (Obama)
Neither of them are worth my vote imo.
One of two sane quotes in this entire thread.
Whats sane about it?
His first point : EVERYONE wants to get out of a POW camp. I bet Calvin Firenze would give oral pleasure to 100 men in order to get out.
Second point : Changing your mind is a GOOD thing. It shows you have a working brain thats able to process information and draw conclusions unlike the current presidents who would rather follow his utterly mentally challenged politics rather than admiting hes wrong, no he could never do that because then he would be 'flip-flopping'
In any case, its all irelevant as Americans would rather vote for someone they 'could have a beer with' rather than the most suiting candidate.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
That is your opinion. Please keep it that way. Were you there for the creation OR the moment when life evolved out of nothing?
If you cannot answer yes to either of the above questions please remember your opinions are fair, however stating your opinion as fact is not.
Creationism is by no means plausible as evolution is. If you seriously compare the two as equal then you deserve nothing but utter contempt and ridicule. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
That is your opinion. Please keep it that way. Were you there for the creation OR the moment when life evolved out of nothing?
If you cannot answer yes to either of the above questions please remember your opinions are fair, however stating your opinion as fact is not.
Creationism is by no means plausible as evolution is. If you seriously compare the two as equal then you deserve nothing but utter contempt and ridicule.
Backing this up with humour:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=934
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1019
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