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Postlatta Mouseanon
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.10 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Postlatta Mouseanon on 10/10/2008 11:00:15 Edited by: Postlatta Mouseanon on 10/10/2008 10:59:34 Hi all,
I think we need a space expansion via enlargment of the number of systems in game. Not just a single region.... but a massive increase of empire, low sec, and 0.0.
As an '04 player, I remember the days of empty empire space. Emptier low sec and 0.0 space... and the feeling that you could loose yourself in the universe.
After having played all aspects of the game, with three accounts, there's no place for small corps to fit in anymore. That is a shame. 0.0 is being hotly contested by large factions who are not friendly to smaller corps. Forcing smaller operations to merge in with bigger ones.
My fear is that the small corp gameplay style is becoming incompatible with EVE. No longer can you find parts of EVE that are the backwaters of the universe. Places where small corps can grow or subsist fighting their small battles for small victories.
This I think is a big loss to EVE as a game. There aren't enough nooks and crannies for smaller corps.
I'm not asking for a nerf here at all...
Empire is crowded. I'm not saying that, in general, you should be able to find large swaths of empty space, but I am saying that 25 people in a system like Ardene is a little telling. Traffic advisories (which used to be unusual) are all over the place now. For instance, I just plotted a course from Bawalin to Furkeshin (Sinq Liason to Bleak Lands) and every jump has a traffic advisory.
Regarding low sec, I'm waiting to see if the recent standings loss changes alter the viability of of operating in low sec as a non-pirate.
(Please note that "non-pirate" is not a judgement... it's just not my play style)
Regarding 0.0, the expansion of a particular alliance cannot be allowed without diminishing returns on the held space. Expansion needs to have a natural imposition of diminishing returns. As I understand it, the Chinese server had (or has) one alliance that holds all of 0.0. This is a bad thing for the game. 0.0 needs to be diverse. Lost of "pew pew" and game play opportunities for large and small operations.
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Jerppu
Minmatar Bladerunners KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 11:10:00 -
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I more or less agree what you're saying. We need more regions like Pure Blind, without any moons that are worth something. This way big alliances wouldn't be interested of that(those) space. Compensate crap moons with better NPC spawns and mission agents. |
Total Disaster
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Posted - 2008.10.10 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jerppu I more or less agree what you're saying. We need more regions like Pure Blind, without any moons that are worth something. This way big alliances wouldn't be interested of that(those) space. Compensate crap moons with better NPC spawns and mission agents.
you sure that better NPC and mission agents won't attract big alliances? |
D'Insane Shatner
Gallente Shatner's Toupee
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Posted - 2008.10.10 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: D''Insane Shatner on 10/10/2008 11:19:16
Originally by: Total Disaster
Originally by: Jerppu I more or less agree what you're saying. We need more regions like Pure Blind, without any moons that are worth something. This way big alliances wouldn't be interested of that(those) space. Compensate crap moons with better NPC spawns and mission agents.
you sure that better NPC and mission agents won't attract big alliances?
It probably would. But I think the intent of the post was to point out the lack of enough space for smaller operations.
I tend to agree with the OP as well. Things are getting too tight in New Eden. |
Ari Xali
Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 11:19:00 -
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I agree we need more space.
So, I have a suggestion.
Space is 3d, why are all the regions in 2d, why not create new regions of 0.0 that are above & below the current plane and only accessible via empire space and no links to any current 0.0 space. this would prevent the current alliances, "taking over" and allow, new corps and alliances a chance to grow and expand, links to current 0.0 could be established or "found" in a year or two.
Lets have in eve an 'oklahoma space grab' of new territory.
could be a lot of fun! Roughnecks Forever! |
Tykkis
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:04:00 -
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you could add feeling of space instead of 5000 new systems(which would fill again in a year). Things like remove local chat, remove solarsystem population from map, allow choosing of destination when jumping(any planet in the system), remove highways, make worthless systems more valuable(ye theres plenty of space), add more resource pockets to systems, weaker posses, remove jumpgates...
Not all of those are doable or even good ideas. just threw things around
Instead of just adding more systems for the huge alliances to conquer, you could fight the disease instead of symptoms |
CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ari Xali Space is 3d, why are all the regions in 2d
May I suggest you press the UNFLATTEN MAP button?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.10 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: Ari Xali Space is 3d, why are all the regions in 2d
May I suggest you press the UNFLATTEN MAP button?
what hes saying is if you rotate the map, you can see its done like a giant wheel, instead of a globe shape. Even if your map is in 3d, you can rotate it to be a thick band of dots, instead of a globe of dots.
If they were to do as he said, it would create hole new swath's of space north and south of its current flat axis. It COULD be unconnected to the rest of 0.0, but it would need a LOT of access points from empire to stop massive choke point camping.
Also, north and south would need a bit of NPC border space like most other 0.0 regions have, but all in all, its a good suggestion |
Braeriach
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Braeriach on 10/10/2008 15:16:08
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: Ari Xali Space is 3d, why are all the regions in 2d
May I suggest you press the UNFLATTEN MAP button?
what hes saying is if you rotate the map, you can see its done like a giant wheel, instead of a globe shape. Even if your map is in 3d, you can rotate it to be a thick band of dots, instead of a globe of dots.
If they were to do as he said, it would create hole new swath's of space north and south of its current flat axis. It COULD be unconnected to the rest of 0.0, but it would need a LOT of access points from empire to stop massive choke point camping.
Also, north and south would need a bit of NPC border space like most other 0.0 regions have, but all in all, its a good suggestion
I think that's because they attempted to recreate the 'look' of how galaxies tend to be in real life. I'm not saying its a bad idea, I just think the shape of the Eve galaxy if a concious decision, which is why we don't have cube shaped planets, no matter how funky they'd look.
I wonder if there's a lot that could be done to make the space we have already feel more 'spacious'...? |
Faille Facetinea
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Posted - 2008.10.10 16:54:00 -
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Why expand the universe when there are planets and moons just ahnging out there? Landing on moons and possible vehicular combat would take some of the crowd out of space and even allow for more classes of ships and a whole new one of vehicles. Would take no universe expansion but increase the game play tremendously. |
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon As an '04 player, I remember the days of empty empire space. Emptier low sec and 0.0 space... and the feeling that you could loose yourself in the universe.
Part of that is from experience (You've BEEN to a lot of these places, so they don't seem so far away anymore), and part of that is from WTZ.
Agreeing or disagreeing with the WTZ implementation aside, WTZ did have a side-effect of making everything seem very "close," since we don't currently have those 10km of "slowboating" between systems.
As for whether adding new systems would help get that feeling again? Well yeah, I think it would for a while. But there are simply far too many players in EVE anxious to stake some claim in 0.0 to expect the universe will feel much bigger.
Besides, new systems would mean more nodes for CCP
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:43:00 -
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You could always have a new "threat" come flying through the various 0.0 regions and just "Steam roll" there way through the various regions of space to cause a suddden "act of God" total disaster.
That would cause quite the land grab shift in powers.
Even with the large population... kind hard to do anything when you suddenly lose the greater majority of your assets in one fell swoop.
Essentially a hard reset with a bit of spice...and biterness.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 05:22:00 -
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While I like the idea of more space and being able to play for days without seein anyone else, I think it would be better to fix they way people "own" space. Right now every large 0.0 alliance claims huge swaths of empty space, that they hardly use.
Sure they take the really good moons, and the best ore and rat systems, but look at all the systems that are claimed but never touched. It's entirely too easy to claim more space then you can use.\
Or maybe there is too much worthless space that no one wants.
Bottom line is there's plenty of space, but most of it never gets used.
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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.11 09:49:00 -
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Agreed that the current sovereignty system could use some more work, and be based on ACTUALLY being in the space. I mean, the concept of sovereignty is that you have enough presence in a system to partially control what goes on in said system. In the current system, you could hold sovereignty with nothing bu the occasional POS fueling run.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 11:20:00 -
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I'm a supporter of more space, but not more space like we have now.
True exploration: finding hidden stargates, abandoned wormholes, portals to other systems that are not found on any map (neither the portals or the systems) and once discovered, you can trade bookmarks to these spots to others.
Some of these wormholes might even be unstable, and shift location from time to time. A true frontier. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 11:55:00 -
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Problem is not having enough space. Just that you can control so much with relatively small effort as long as you have possibility to summon a node breaking blob when needed.
Makes it pretty difficult for smaller entities to even exist.
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.11 16:05:00 -
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Eve does need a whole bunch of expanding. Doubling the size of the galaxy would not be too much IMO.
Still, as the post above pointed out, we need more than just more space. Jump drive, jump portals and the current sov system makes maintaining a huge empire too easy.
Eve could use some regions that are hard to get to, perhaps "unstable" regions where jump drives wont work and outposts cant be anchored but even that would just be a bandage solution.
Sovereignty is in desperate need of an overhaul. We need a mechanic that makes sov holders actually tend to their space as opposed to just plopping down POSs and being done with it. A system of diminishing returns as mentioned by the OP would be ideal.
Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew! |
Crewman Jenkins
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:53:00 -
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I agree with this.
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Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources New MagnaDyne Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.11 22:10:00 -
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Plain old /signed.
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Kaiden Exeider
Gallente Astrowork Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.11 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kaiden Exeider on 11/10/2008 23:21:11 Edited by: Kaiden Exeider on 11/10/2008 23:20:17 I would suggest an even bolder plan. maybe even a reason for the empires to co-operate.
Organize, and lead a research mission to reopen the EVE Gate back to the Milky Way.
Allow us, all of us, as children of mankind to finally go back to our ancestral homeland, and reconnect with out long lost brethren. Amarr, Minmatar, Gallente, Caldari and even Jove working together for a common good.
To touch the face of our homeland once more, and stand in the cradle from whence we came.
To go home...Earth.
-¦ Kaiden Exeider - CSM Candidate |
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Vivinc Laloo
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Posted - 2008.10.11 23:48:00 -
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I agree with this whole heartedly. How can it ever have been the gamedesigners vision that a certain well-dev-coneccted ingame player alliance is needed to stur up things and keep things exciting in 0.0. That's like cheating on ccp's site to keep things exciting in a flawed system. The current game mechanics force players to group in coalitions of 1000s..where the **** is the fun in that? My suggestion would be, make it way way harder to control LARGE(!!) portions of space.
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Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.10.12 01:26:00 -
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not that i hate bob or anything, but when an alliance controls two regions, somethings wrong. it is getting harder and harder for smaller organizations to participate in 0.0. tbh i think drone regions was a good idea, maybe refine it a bit and make it a little closer to empire. also, im sure most have noticed that eve doesn't exactly look like a galaxy, at least not like the ones that come to peoples mind. how about making a long term model to shoot for and slowly flesh it out over time
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Kransthow
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.12 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kransthow on 12/10/2008 04:40:28 Something like this?
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Chunks Blown
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.12 05:21:00 -
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Edited by: Chunks Blown on 12/10/2008 05:22:50 It's not a problem with not enough space, or not enough space for smaller corps to get some space. The problem is the current mechanics favor the blobber. The larger force you can put in an area = power. People like power. The only way to counter this is to get a bigger blob. It's an endless cycle that encircles Sov mechanics and the natural human tendency to group for superiority through numbers.
Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you add more space, you'll just get another larger Alliance to form to take/hold it. Small corps just don't have a place in 0.0 unless you can find a 'big brother' to help you keep it and will mutually benefit from you being there and NAP'd with them.
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Metal Monster
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Posted - 2008.10.12 07:47:00 -
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Easy to fix:
Remove gates.
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Ellariona
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:49:00 -
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solution: 3 or 4 stable wormholes connecting lowsec to nosec to highsec systems. Makes it harder for alliances to defend their systems/regions. Because wormholes would change places every hour or so. And you would have to probe systems regularly to make sure you are safe...
just an idea...
if you dont like the silly idea of wormholes, replace those words by: an unstable jumpgate that is lost in the time-space continunm... (same principle)
and if you don't like that idea: ...go roll in your own non-imaginative ****
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:30:00 -
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There are -definitely- some less populated regions, especially in lowsec. OP isn't looking hard enough.
Although I agree, more space would be good.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:41:00 -
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the empty space is there, its just deep in 0.0, past larger alliance controlled space. to use it you would need a logistical backbone that is over and above what smaller alliances can put together. i've had my eye on a nice constellation for a while, but the logistics require a larger alliance, hence OPs point still stands
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Anton Cyldragen
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:41:00 -
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more space is always good.
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Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.10.12 19:08:00 -
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seeing as how eves numbers are growing some more high sec systems might be good idea too, with agents basically mirroring the good ones in dodixie and such, just to give more breathing room.
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