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Pampinus Medusae
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.21 02:51:00 -
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[Deimos, Neutron II Deimos] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Capacitor Power Relay II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Reactive Membrane II
Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x5
722 DPS with HAC V (which I have) 133 tank
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Do you think it's good?
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.21 02:52:00 -
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insert obligatory 'prolly better off with a brutix' comment here
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.11.21 02:55:00 -
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two issues that stand out: 1) do you think the added cap stability from the CPR is going to help? It's a deimos, how long do you think the fight's going to be? 2) ditto armor rep - maybe an 800mm plate would be better?
3) why not a brutix..? __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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AtheistOfDoom
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Posted - 2008.11.21 03:06:00 -
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nice looking except its not a neutron II deimos because there arent any neutrons...yeah might wanna think about that...
t2 ftfw!! |
Splash Whale
Ctrl-Q Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 04:05:00 -
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I believe this is what people call a "Diemost". |
Leobon
Gallente Idiots In Spaceships Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.21 05:04:00 -
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Diemost was pre QR. Post QR different story. With the speed and mass changes the deimos actualy got buffed. The Deimos gos 205m/s and the brutix gos 145m/s with out skills. Adding a plate would slow the deimos down and there for make it harder for you and your to get on top of your target to do damage. I would never solo in this ship b/c 1v1 is almost impossible post QR. Drop the Power relay II for a magstab II or a ENAMII and drop the y-t8 for a 10mn mwd II or a 10mn AB II. Thats all i can think of atm. Ohh and just incase you didnt know you will get 25% more cap using a 10mn mwd II b/c of your ships bonus fyi
Leo
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Talon Calais
Gallente Diplomatic Disruption Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.11.21 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Leobon Diemost was pre QR. Post QR different story. With the speed and mass changes the deimos actualy got buffed. The Deimos gos 205m/s and the brutix gos 145m/s with out skills. Adding a plate would slow the deimos down and there for make it harder for you and your to get on top of your target to do damage. I would never solo in this ship b/c 1v1 is almost impossible post QR. Drop the Power relay II for a magstab II or a ENAMII and drop the y-t8 for a 10mn mwd II or a 10mn AB II. Thats all i can think of atm. Ohh and just incase you didnt know you will get 25% more cap using a 10mn mwd II b/c of your ships bonus fyi
Leo
A brutix doesn't cost 90mil and is insurable.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.21 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 21/11/2008 06:35:38 I'm currently not flying my Deimoses much as I find the 3 mids very risky postpatch... I even ****ed and moaned about it.
About your fit, you have not prepared at all to the possibility of an AB cruiser shutting your MWD and trying to get away. TBH I wouldn't fit anything else than Neutrons, especially post patch. With them and Null M in hold you can still gank someone escaping if they shut your MWD. (If a gang mate still has a point on them that is) Also 3 magstabs really is a must.
But really you would be better off with an Ishtar, IMHO.
Edit: I would never fly a Brutix instead of the Deimos... Even though atm the brutix at least has the 4 mids but still.
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Leobon
Gallente Idiots In Spaceships Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.21 07:06:00 -
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"A brutix doesn't cost 90mil and is insurable."
You will also die in a Brutix more then a Deimos due to the fact its so slow and the hit ratio is based on your sig radius and your speed. There for on a Brutix thats going 145 m/s and with a sig radius of 300m compared to a Deimos with a speed of 205 m/s and a sig radius of 160m the Brutix will not be abel to stay in range with blasters long enough to gank its target but will get hit more and die faster due to its lower resis, larger sig radius, and its lower speeds. Not to mention the better hit ratio with a Deimos b/c it gets a 10% in crease of its blaster per HAC lvl. Sure the money ratio isnt there but you will do more damage and last longer on the battle field in a Deimos then a Brutix.
Leo
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Leobon
Gallente Idiots In Spaceships Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.21 07:09:00 -
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"But really you would be better off with an Ishtar, IMHO."
You are correct. If that fits you style. Ishtar dose Dominix damage with 5x the speed, agility, and 5x less sig radius. Plus you can sit at 24km with a point and if any thing comes close ditch your drones and GTFO!
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.21 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Leobon Diemost was pre QR. Post QR different story. With the speed and mass changes the deimos actualy got buffed. The Deimos gos 205m/s and the brutix gos 145m/s with out skills. Adding a plate would slow the deimos down and there for make it harder for you and your to get on top of your target to do damage. I would never solo in this ship b/c 1v1 is almost impossible post QR. Drop the Power relay II for a magstab II or a ENAMII and drop the y-t8 for a 10mn mwd II or a 10mn AB II. Thats all i can think of atm. Ohh and just incase you didnt know you will get 25% more cap using a 10mn mwd II b/c of your ships bonus fyi
Leo
Post QR it'll die to any AF. Next... |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.11.21 07:50:00 -
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/*grin* on MWD fitted equals extra cap, perfect for active tank while approaching.
I wonder how it would handle if it had a repair bonus and we moved a low slot to the mids for MWD/AB/Tackle .. no wait, the player base veto'ed that!.
A shame, it could have been godly with the new speed mechanics - 20/20 hindsight and all that I guess. /*grin* off
On a more serious note, the sheer damage output of the thing still makes it top the list of most FCs primary calls which is a testament to its threat.
With a wingman or two it will still impregnate faces just, just be careful around afterburner AFs or carry two sets of lights.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2008.11.21 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 21/11/2008 07:58:45
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Post QR it'll die to any AF. Next...
But in this regard, the Brutix is no different?
Same guns. Yes, better tank, but eventually it'll cap out. Not like it's a passive shield tank
Hmm. The dominance that AFs have over Cruiser/BC is worse than the dominance cruisers had over AFs. We should have been careful what we asked for... :/ Web nerf was just too much. |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:00:00 -
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Those of you worried about AFs - what about carrying medium ECM drones, or valkyries (which should track well enough to hit a webbed frigate - they did on Sisi last time I checked), or warrior IIs + light ECM, and also using the utility high for a small / medium neut? |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Leobon 10mn AB II
Absolutely not. Its always a terrible idea to fit an AB on a blaster setup, throwing away an MWD bonus just makes it even more foolish.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Post QR it'll die to any AF. Next...
If you don't bother to fit a neut in your spare highslot and you don't bother putting anything in your drone bay, sure you'll die. |
Graalum
Interstellar eXodus Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:31:00 -
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af's are good? what?
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Post QR it'll die to any AF. Next...
Since most AFs tend to have ABs fitted.. they're going to die if guy in Deimos has a clue. It's going to get pwned by competent BC though :) In around half of a minute, too
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Leobon
Gallente Idiots In Spaceships Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Leobon 10mn AB II
Absolutely not. Its always a terrible idea to fit an AB on a blaster setup, throwing away an MWD bonus just makes it even more foolish.
If u read clearly I said 10mn mwd II OR a 10mn AB II. If the Micro warp drive gets shut off from a disrutor your MWD is now useless. Still I would use MWD II over an AB.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Post QR it'll die to any AF. Next...
If you don't bother to fit a neut in your spare highslot and you don't bother putting anything in your drone bay, sure you'll die.
There is a counter for every set up there is in EVE. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Thats also why we fly in small gangs or blob the crap out of stuff.
Leo
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Leobon 10mn AB II
Absolutely not. Its always a terrible idea to fit an AB on a blaster setup, throwing away an MWD bonus just makes it even more foolish.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Post QR it'll die to any AF. Next...
If you don't bother to fit a neut in your spare highslot and you don't bother putting anything in your drone bay, sure you'll die.
Deimos has the grid/cap for a med neut? Drones live on low sec gates under sentry fire?
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:26:00 -
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a single neut will do nothing against an AF ;P
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bldyannoyed
Killed In Action Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Leobon 10mn AB II
Absolutely not. Its always a terrible idea to fit an AB on a blaster setup, throwing away an MWD bonus just makes it even more foolish.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Post QR it'll die to any AF. Next...
If you don't bother to fit a neut in your spare highslot and you don't bother putting anything in your drone bay, sure you'll die.
Deimos has the grid/cap for a med neut? Drones live on low sec gates under sentry fire?
There are other places you can shoot folk that don't have gate guns you know
Doesn't alter the fact that the Deimost, well, Dies most. |
TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:52:00 -
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You will with if you have a falcon alt. |
Caleb Marathon
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Leobon 10mn AB II
Absolutely not. Its always a terrible idea to fit an AB on a blaster setup, throwing away an MWD bonus just makes it even more foolish.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Post QR it'll die to any AF. Next...
If you don't bother to fit a neut in your spare highslot and you don't bother putting anything in your drone bay, sure you'll die.
Deimos has the grid/cap for a med neut? Drones live on low sec gates under sentry fire?
Not talkin about the Neut now cuz I don't have a clue. But hmm. You're talking about usin drones + deimos on a lowseX gate. I assume solo? If you're not solo, feel free to use drones. you'll loose some but it's still worth it. If you ARE solo, then you have to fcn use drones. If nothing else they will take some fire from guns instead of u gettin it. When I (my alt) solocamp lowsex-gates I usually do it in a domi and I see to it that I always have a couple of batches of ****ty light drones I can throw away to keep sentries off me for a while.
Also, how to do solopiracy by a gate with a Deimos? Plz tell me bcs they seem to me made out of cookies. |
The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:34:00 -
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In a Gang, fit a Plate, Medium Repper wonŠt help you here. Switch the CPR for a EANM or MFS. The Named MWD is actualy better than the T2, since it needs less Cap to run than the T2 what evens out the bigger cap gain of the T2 quite fast.
For solo get a Ishtar, singel 60% Web + Blasters is just something that fails most of the time in the end now. |
Angus Torg
LoneWolf Mining
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:48:00 -
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1 * 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 3 * Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1 * Damage Control II 1 * Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1 * 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1 * Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1 * Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I
5 * Heavy Ion Blaster II /w Navy Antimatter Charge M 1 *Medium Nosferatu II
1 * Ancillary Current Router I 1 * Capacitor Control Circuit I
5 * Light ECM Drones 5 * Warrior II
If no remote repairing is available, you might consider fitting a small armor repairer. |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.11.22 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Leobon There is a counter for every set up there is in EVE. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Thats also why we fly in small gangs or blob the crap out of stuff
Drones are a very good assault frigate counter. If they don't have a tracking bonus, they will have a hard time hitting webbed light drones, and you can recall the drones if they do take too much damage.
Even ECM drones will do well against AFs. You'll break their lock and regain the speed advantage (if you had an MWD fitted).
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Drones live on low sec gates under sentry fire?
Right, assault frigates do very well under sentry fire too
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